Atheism Is Not A Religion!!!

[sealybobo]

I think that being in the place where that "schmuck" is will be a happy and pleasant place for all of eternity......I think that spending all of eternity away from that happy and pleasant place will not be happy or pleasant.....I don't devote any time to considering what places I neither intend or want to visit are like.....I leave that to the folks who choose not to enjoy the company of schmucks......

You didn't answer the question. I believe the exact wording you used was, "no one is going to hell who isn't choosing to go there". You didn't say "not going to heaven". Why would you indicate someone is going somewhere you don't even think about?

So, based upon what you said - that is akin to me holding a gun to your head.... well, you know the rest.

because the guy I was talking with said he didn't want to go to a place where a schmuck like God was.....obviously he isn't going there unless he chose to and he's specifically stated what his choice was.......

Yes, you are the one who brought up hell, which apparently is a place that will not be happy or pleasant. So, I repeat, that is like my holding a gun to your head and blaming you if I pull the trigger.

Think about the sources of religion. Priests and Churches. They've been using religion to control the masses for thousands of years.

Then if you look at all the other religions that came before or after (whatever religion you think is best fill in the blank).

Then consider all the bad churches and preachers and the PTL scandals and pedophile priests. The wars. The people being burned at the stakes for being witches. Basically the history of religion.

Ok, so you're telling me that a god is going to condemn me because I don't believe you or your corrupt churches? Really?

 

[PostmodernProph]

I think that being in the place where that "schmuck" is will be a happy and pleasant place for all of eternity......I think that spending all of eternity away from that happy and pleasant place will not be happy or pleasant.....I don't devote any time to considering what places I neither intend or want to visit are like.....I leave that to the folks who choose not to enjoy the company of schmucks......

You didn't answer the question. I believe the exact wording you used was, "no one is going to hell who isn't choosing to go there". You didn't say "not going to heaven". Why would you indicate someone is going somewhere you don't even think about?

So, based upon what you said - that is akin to me holding a gun to your head.... well, you know the rest.

because the guy I was talking with said he didn't want to go to a place where a schmuck like God was.....obviously he isn't going there unless he chose to and he's specifically stated what his choice was.......

Yes, you are the one who brought up hell, which apparently is a place that will not be happy or pleasant. So, I repeat, that is like my holding a gun to your head and blaming you if I pull the trigger.

actually, its more like telling you that you ought to choose to put the gun down and you saying "I don't have to do what you say!".......as to me bringing up hell I beg to differ.....I was responding to I believe Tuatara who was posting that he preferred being there than spending eternity with a schmuck like God.....

 

[PostmodernProph]

Prachet said he said "no one is going to hell who isn't choosing to go there"

that is true....I did say that.....I have said it many times......I do so because that is what the scriptures tell me.....

John 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

what happens to the condemned I do not know....the same passage says...." that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. "

what it means to "perish" instead of having eternal life, I do not have the answer to......however, since it does not apply to me I will leave that to those who look forward to it instead of spending eternity with "schmucks"......

God would have done a much better job of proving he exists if he existed.

not if he didn't intend to prove he exists....

 

[PostmodernProph]

See, you would have to believe the Old and New Testaments are authentic in order to believe what you believe.

d'uh!......

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I didn't actually mean him I meant anyone who believes in hell. I knew that was going to happen. Prachet said he said "no one is going to hell who isn't choosing to go there"

If PostModern said that, then I would assume he/she believes in hell.

Anyways, mind your own business. It was a joke anyways, just like you god.

And the only hell he could possibly believe in is the one that you define for him, right?

By the way, what makes you think this isn't my business? Do you have an assignment sheet from god that tells you what everyone is supposed to do?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The concept is that God sends you to this place called Hell, which is clearly unpleasant. It really doesn't matter what the details might be because my response was directed at this concept of blame. That God creates the place, decides who will go to the place, sends you to the place and yet has no responsibility for any of it. The idea that the one being which actually has some control over events is the one which has no involvement is absurd.

Why is that the only possible concept? I have heard people tell me that Hell is actually a pretty fun place where you get to do whatever you want without having to worry about an invisible sky pixie looking over your shoulder and telling you that it is wrong.

Then again, I happen to know the Hell you believe in doesn't exist, so I got no problems with mocking people like you.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

God would have done a much better job of proving he exists if he existed.

See, you would have to believe the Old and New Testaments are authentic in order to believe what you believe. Just look at Muslims. 500 years ago they had access to the bible and they decided to write their own religion. Mormons too. Christianity is just another religion. Everyone thinks their book is the best.

Think about it. Your spin says that we have to believe your unbelievable stories or go to hell. Believe and go to heaven. The entire story is so clearly written by primitive men in ancient times. Very clever in fact George Carlin called it the greatest bullshit story of all time.

Why should God prove He exists? Has anyone on this forum ever demanded you prove that you exist? How can I know you are not a chat bot? You certainly wouldn't pass a Touring test unless you suddenly develop actual intelligence to respond to people.

 

[sealybobo]

God would have done a much better job of proving he exists if he existed.

See, you would have to believe the Old and New Testaments are authentic in order to believe what you believe. Just look at Muslims. 500 years ago they had access to the bible and they decided to write their own religion. Mormons too. Christianity is just another religion. Everyone thinks their book is the best.

Think about it. Your spin says that we have to believe your unbelievable stories or go to hell. Believe and go to heaven. The entire story is so clearly written by primitive men in ancient times. Very clever in fact George Carlin called it the greatest bullshit story of all time.

Why should God prove He exists? Has anyone on this forum ever demanded you prove that you exist? How can I know you are not a chat bot? You certainly wouldn't pass a Touring test unless you suddenly develop actual intelligence to respond to people.

Why would he leave it in the hands of a corrupt church and our ignorant forefathers? He needs to revisit.

 

[PratchettFan]

The concept is that God sends you to this place called Hell, which is clearly unpleasant. It really doesn't matter what the details might be because my response was directed at this concept of blame. That God creates the place, decides who will go to the place, sends you to the place and yet has no responsibility for any of it. The idea that the one being which actually has some control over events is the one which has no involvement is absurd.

Why is that the only possible concept? I have heard people tell me that Hell is actually a pretty fun place where you get to do whatever you want without having to worry about an invisible sky pixie looking over your shoulder and telling you that it is wrong.

Then again, I happen to know the Hell you believe in doesn't exist, so I got no problems with mocking people like you.

I will try this one last time. PM refers to as an unpleasant place where people go. That is the concept I am responding to. If you want to consider other concepts, be my guess. You are free to mock anything that you wish and I am free not to care

 

[PostmodernProph]

The concept is that God sends you to this place called Hell, which is clearly unpleasant. It really doesn't matter what the details might be because my response was directed at this concept of blame. That God creates the place, decides who will go to the place, sends you to the place and yet has no responsibility for any of it. The idea that the one being which actually has some control over events is the one which has no involvement is absurd.

Why is that the only possible concept? I have heard people tell me that Hell is actually a pretty fun place where you get to do whatever you want without having to worry about an invisible sky pixie looking over your shoulder and telling you that it is wrong.

Then again, I happen to know the Hell you believe in doesn't exist, so I got no problems with mocking people like you.

I will try this one last time. PM refers to as an unpleasant place where people go. That is the concept I am responding to. If you want to consider other concepts, be my guess. You are free to mock anything that you wish and I am free not to care

if you still misunderstand what I am saying after all this, you belong in some unpleasant place.......if you want to pick a bone, pick it with Tauratara.....

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Why would he leave it in the hands of a corrupt church and our ignorant forefathers? He needs to revisit.

What makes you think he left it in the hands of the church?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I will try this one last time. PM refers to as an unpleasant place where people go. That is the concept I am responding to. If you want to consider other concepts, be my guess. You are free to mock anything that you wish and I am free not to care

Except he says he didn't. Frankly, I believe his recollection over yours.

 

[MaryL]

Um...HELLO! We never claimed to be, DUDE, Atheism is to religion what butter is to shit. Please.

 

[PratchettFan]

I will try this one last time. PM refers to as an unpleasant place where people go. That is the concept I am responding to. If you want to consider other concepts, be my guess. You are free to mock anything that you wish and I am free not to care

Except he says he didn't. Frankly, I believe his recollection over yours.

And I believe what he actually wrote over his recollections. We are in a medium in which what was actually written is right there to see and one need not depend upon memories. I suppose we each have our standards of evidence.

 

[PratchettFan]

The concept is that God sends you to this place called Hell, which is clearly unpleasant. It really doesn't matter what the details might be because my response was directed at this concept of blame. That God creates the place, decides who will go to the place, sends you to the place and yet has no responsibility for any of it. The idea that the one being which actually has some control over events is the one which has no involvement is absurd.

Why is that the only possible concept? I have heard people tell me that Hell is actually a pretty fun place where you get to do whatever you want without having to worry about an invisible sky pixie looking over your shoulder and telling you that it is wrong.

Then again, I happen to know the Hell you believe in doesn't exist, so I got no problems with mocking people like you.

I will try this one last time. PM refers to as an unpleasant place where people go. That is the concept I am responding to. If you want to consider other concepts, be my guess. You are free to mock anything that you wish and I am free not to care

if you still misunderstand what I am saying after all this, you belong in some unpleasant place.......if you want to pick a bone, pick it with Tauratara.....

I don't misunderstand what you are saying. You were pretty clear.

 

[PostmodernProph]

I will try this one last time. PM refers to as an unpleasant place where people go. That is the concept I am responding to. If you want to consider other concepts, be my guess. You are free to mock anything that you wish and I am free not to care

Except he says he didn't. Frankly, I believe his recollection over yours.

what was actually written is right there to see and one need not depend upon memories.

then point to it......

 

[PratchettFan]

I will try this one last time. PM refers to as an unpleasant place where people go. That is the concept I am responding to. If you want to consider other concepts, be my guess. You are free to mock anything that you wish and I am free not to care

Except he says he didn't. Frankly, I believe his recollection over yours.

what was actually written is right there to see and one need not depend upon memories.

then point to it......

Which part of that do you deny saying? Do you deny you referred to hell as a place where you go? Do you deny you indicated it is unpleasant? Let me know which and I will provide you with the quotes where you said it.

 

[GreenBean]

It is NOT a religion, and if you keep saying it is, I'm going to start my own tax exempt church, and start pounding on your door at dinner time.

Seriously, it sounds ridiculous when you say it.


re·li·gion
riˈlijən/
noun

1. the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
   "ideas about the relationship between science and religion"
   

   synonyms:

   faith, belief, worship, creed; More

   [TBODY] [/TBODY]

You cut that link off short here's the rest...

1. the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
   "ideas about the relationship between science and religion"
   

   synonyms:

   faith, belief, worship, creed;

   [TBODY] [/TBODY]
   
   
   • a particular system of faith and worship.
     plural noun: religions
     "the world's great religions"
   • a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance. "consumerism is the new religion"

The last one seems to fit fanatical Atheism to tee - So by some definitions Atheism can be considered a Religion

 

[GreenBean]

It is NOT a religion, and if you keep saying it is, I'm going to start my own tax exempt church, and start pounding on your door at dinner time.

Seriously, it sounds ridiculous when you say it.


re·li·gion
riˈlijən/
noun

1. the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
   "ideas about the relationship between science and religion"
   

   synonyms:

   faith, belief, worship, creed; More

   [TBODY] [/TBODY]

You should try being honest for once maybe, and post the ENTIRE defintion


Full Definition of RELIGION
1
a : the state of a religious <a nun in her 20th year of religion>

b (1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
2
: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
3
archaic : scrupulous conformity : conscientiousness
4
: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith

number 4 certainly covers the militant atheists out there.

Have you noticed that every time you disagree with me, you are wrong?

I posted almost the same reply b4 I saw yours - nice post

 

[Tuatara]

Prachet said he said "no one is going to hell who isn't choosing to go there"

that is true....I did say that.....I have said it many times......I do so because that is what the scriptures tell me.....

John 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

what happens to the condemned I do not know....the same passage says...." that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. "

what it means to "perish" instead of having eternal life, I do not have the answer to......however, since it does not apply to me I will leave that to those who look forward to it instead of spending eternity with "schmucks"......

God would have done a much better job of proving he exists if he existed.

not if he didn't intend to prove he exists....

Let's think about this shall we. If god existed and he had the power to let every single living person know he exists but intended not to let anyone know he existed knowing very well that billions of other people believed in other religions and gods or in no gods at all, yet he choses to remain silent so they can all spend an eternity in pain and suffering, I ask you what kind of god is that? That is not a caring and loving god. That is worse than all the despotic psycopaths and murderers that ever existed. Hitler is a kitten compared to him.