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The Founding Fathers were Christians, some were Deists in that they felt that God was not as personally involved with the lives of men. But they were all Christians.

What the Founding Fathers said:
George Washington
1st U.S. President

"While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian."
--The Writings of Washington, pp. 342-343.

John Adams
2nd U.S. President and Signer of the Declaration of Independence

"Suppose a nation in some distant Region should take the Bible for their only law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited! Every member would be obliged in conscience, to temperance, frugality, and industry; to justice, kindness, and charity towards his fellow men; and to piety, love, and reverence toward Almighty God ... What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be."

Thomas Jefferson
3rd U.S. President, Drafter and Signer of the Declaration of Independence

"God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever; That a revolution of the wheel of fortune, a change of situation, is among possible events; that it may become probable by Supernatural influence! The Almighty has no attribute which can take side with us in that event."
--Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, p. 237.

"I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ."
--The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, p. 385.

John Hancock
1st Signer of the Declaration of Independence

"Resistance to tyranny becomes the Christian and social duty of each individual. ... Continue steadfast and, with a proper sense of your dependence on God, nobly defend those rights which heaven gave, and no man ought to take from us."
--History of the United States of America, Vol. II, p. 229.

Benjamin Franklin
Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Unites States Constitution

"Here is my Creed. I believe in one God, the Creator of the Universe. That He governs it by His Providence. That He ought to be worshipped.

"That the most acceptable service we render to him is in doing good to his other children. That the soul of man is immortal, and will be treated with justice in another life respecting its conduct in this. These I take to be the fundamental points in all sound religion, and I regard them as you do in whatever sect I meet with them.

"As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and his religion, as he left them to us, is the best the world ever saw, or is likely to see;

"But I apprehend it has received various corrupting changes, and I have, with most of the present dissenters in England, some doubts as to his divinity; though it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an opportunity of knowing the truth with less trouble. I see no harm, however, in its being believed, if that belief has the good consequence, as probably it has, of making his doctrines more respected and more observed; especially as I do not perceive, that the Supreme takes it amiss, by distinguishing the unbelievers in his government of the world with any peculiar marks of his displeasure."
--Benjamin Franklin wrote this in a letter to Ezra Stiles, President of Yale University on March 9, 179

Samuel Adams
Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Father of the American Revolution

"And as it is our duty to extend our wishes to the happiness of the great family of man, I conceive that we cannot better express ourselves than by humbly supplicating the Supreme Ruler of the world that the rod of tyrants may be broken to pieces, and the oppressed made free again; that wars may cease in all the earth, and that the confusions that are and have been among nations may be overruled by promoting and speedily bringing on that holy and happy period when the kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ may be everywhere established, and all people everywhere willingly bow to the sceptre of Him who is Prince of Peace."
--As Governor of Massachusetts, Proclamation of a Day of Fast, March 20, 1797.

James Madison
4th U.S. President

"A watchful eye must be kept on ourselves lest while we are building ideal monuments of Renown and Bliss here we neglect to have our names enrolled in the Annals of Heaven."
--Written to William Bradford on November 9, 1772, Faith of Our Founding Fathers by Tim LaHaye, pp. 130-131; Christianity and the Constitution — The Faith of Our Founding Fathers by John Eidsmoe, p. 98.

ames Monroe
5th U.S. President

"When we view the blessings with which our country has been favored, those which we now enjoy, and the means which we possess of handing them down unimpaired to our latest posterity, our attention is irresistibly drawn to the source from whence they flow. Let us then, unite in offering our most grateful acknowledgments for these blessings to the Divine Author of All Good."
--Monroe made this statement in his 2nd Annual Message to Congress, November 16, 1818.

John Quincy Adams
6th U.S. President

"The hope of a Christian is inseparable from his faith. Whoever believes in the divine inspiration of the Holy Scriptures must hope that the religion of Jesus shall prevail throughout the earth. Never since the foundation of the world have the prospects of mankind been more encouraging to that hope than they appear to be at the present time. And may the associated distribution of the Bible proceed and prosper till the Lord shall have made 'bare His holy arm in the eyes of all the nations, and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God' (Isaiah 52:10)."
--Life of John Quincy Adams, p. 248.

William Penn
Founder of Pennsylvania

"I do declare to the whole world that we believe the Scriptures to contain a declaration of the mind and will of God in and to those ages in which they were written; being given forth by the Holy Ghost moving in the hearts of holy men of God; that they ought also to be read, believed, and fulfilled in our day; being used for reproof and instruction, that the man of God may be perfect. They are a declaration and testimony of heavenly things themselves, and, as such, we carry a high respect for them. We accept them as the words of God Himself."
--Treatise of the Religion of the Quakers, p. 355.

Roger Sherman
Signer of the Declaration of Independence and United States Constitution

"I believe that there is one only living and true God, existing in three persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, the same in substance equal in power and glory. That the scriptures of the old and new testaments are a revelation from God, and a complete rule to direct us how we may glorify and enjoy him. That God has foreordained whatsoever comes to pass, so as thereby he is not the author or approver of sin. That he creates all things, and preserves and governs all creatures and all their actions, in a manner perfectly consistent with the freedom of will in moral agents, and the usefulness of means. That he made man at first perfectly holy, that the first man sinned, and as he was the public head of his posterity, they all became sinners in consequence of his first transgression, are wholly indisposed to that which is good and inclined to evil, and on account of sin are liable to all the miseries of this life, to death, and to the pains of hell forever.

"I believe that God having elected some of mankind to eternal life, did send his own Son to become man, die in the room and stead of sinners and thus to lay a foundation for the offer of pardon and salvation to all mankind, so as all may be saved who are willing to accept the gospel offer: also by his special grace and spirit, to regenerate, sanctify and enable to persevere in holiness, all who shall be saved; and to procure in consequence of their repentance and faith in himself their justification by virtue of his atonement as the only meritorious cause.

"I believe a visible church to be a congregation of those who make a credible profession of their faith in Christ, and obedience to him, joined by the bond of the covenant.

"I believe that the souls of believers are at their death made perfectly holy, and immediately taken to glory: that at the end of this world there will be a resurrection of the dead, and a final judgement of all mankind, when the righteous shall be publicly acquitted by Christ the Judge and admitted to everlasting life and glory, and the wicked be sentenced to everlasting punishment."
--The Life of Roger Sherman, pp. 272-273.

enjamin Rush
Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Ratifier of the U.S. Constitution

"The gospel of Jesus Christ prescribes the wisest rules for just conduct in every situation of life. Happy they who are enabled to obey them in all situations!"
--The Autobiography of Benjamin Rush, pp. 165-166.

"Christianity is the only true and perfect religion, and that in proportion as mankind adopts its principles and obeys its precepts, they will be wise and happy."
--Essays, Literary, Moral, and Philosophical, published in 1798.

"I know there is an objection among many people to teaching children doctrines of any kind, because they are liable to be controverted. But let us not be wiser than our Maker.

"If moral precepts alone could have reformed mankind, the mission of the Son of God into all the world would have been unnecessary. The perfect morality of the gospel rests upon the doctrine which, though often controverted has never been refuted: I mean the vicarious life and death of the Son of God."
--Essays, Literary, Moral, and Philosophical, published in 1798.

John Witherspoon
Signer of the Declaration of Independence, Clergyman and President of Princeton University

"While we give praise to God, the Supreme Disposer of all events, for His interposition on our behalf, let us guard against the dangerous error of trusting in, or boasting of, an arm of flesh ... If your cause is just, if your principles are pure, and if your conduct is prudent, you need not fear the multitude of opposing hosts.

"What follows from this? That he is the best friend to American liberty, who is most sincere and active in promoting true and undefiled religion, and who sets himself with the greatest firmness to bear down profanity and immorality of every kind.

"Whoever is an avowed enemy of God, I scruple not to call him an enemy of his country."
--Sermon at Princeton University, "The Dominion of Providence over the Passions of Men," May 17, 1776.

Alexander Hamilton
Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Ratifier of the U.S. Constitution

"I have carefully examined the evidences of the Christian religion, and if I was sitting as a juror upon its authenticity I would unhesitatingly give my verdict in its favor. I can prove its truth as clearly as any proposition ever submitted to the mind of man."
--Famous American Statesmen, p. 126.

Patrick Henry
Ratifier of the U.S. Constitution

"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here."
--The Trumpet Voice of Freedom: Patrick Henry of Virginia, p. iii.

"The Bible ... is a book worth more than all the other books that were ever printed."
--Sketches of the Life and Character of Patrick Henry, p. 402.

John Jay
1st Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court and President of the American Bible Society

"By conveying the Bible to people thus circumstanced, we certainly do them a most interesting kindness. We thereby enable them to learn that man was originally created and placed in a state of happiness, but, becoming disobedient, was subjected to the degradation and evils which he and his posterity have since experienced.

"The Bible will also inform them that our gracious Creator has provided for us a Redeemer, in whom all the nations of the earth shall be blessed; that this Redeemer has made atonement "for the sins of the whole world," and thereby reconciling the Divine justice with the Divine mercy has opened a way for our redemption and salvation; and that these inestimable benefits are of the free gift and grace of God, not of our deserving, nor in our power to deserve."
--In God We Trust—The Religious Beliefs and Ideas of the American Founding Fathers, p. 379.

"In forming and settling my belief relative to the doctrines of Christianity, I adopted no articles from creeds but such only as, on careful examination, I found to be confirmed by the Bible."
--American Statesman Series, p. 360.

From what they said, the wise men who birthed this country were certainly Christians. They were nothing else and were certainly not atheists.

Founding Father Quotes on Religion
Our Founding Fathers Were NOT Christians

They were deists not christians and this is no christian nation. They had a chance to make it a christian nation and didn't.That alone tells you something.

What they didn't do, and intended not to do, was to create a nation where religion was the state. That was the situation in England. The King was the Church, so that failure to be a member of the King's religion was not only heresy but treason as well.

A Deist is not some religion other than Christianity. Deism IS Christianity, but believes that God is not closely involved in the matters of mortal men. It is more like the difference between Presbyterians and Baptists, than atheists and Christians.
 
Indeed...couldn't get the xtians to remove there so they put one their themselves...

good gawd man ! don't you know where and how to use the words "there" and "their" ???????

where the fuck did you go to school ??

For fucks sakes I didn't get any sleep last night I got a teething 1 year old I am tired...its a minor mistake.

Lol...I didn't say I was damning anything just said I wouldn't swear on the bible...

Why just Christians ? Are you too afraid to piss of the other religions ?

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Nope.I think all religion is silly and a crutch but here in NC that's pretty much all we have is xtians...oh and there is a mormon temple and a jehovah's witness one as well...figure they all believe in god so its easy to piss them all off...no muslims that I know of....jews meet in a church here...ironic I guess...

Well it's a damn good thing an engraved rock ain't silly. Ever think of a bumper sticker that says " I hate Jews Mormons and Muslims to get the rest of the "idiots" pissed ?
 
The South Wall Frieze includes figures of lawgivers from the ancient world and includes Menes, Hammurabi, Moses, Solomon, Lycurgus, Solon, Draco, Confucius, and Augustus. The North Wall Frieze shows lawgivers from the Middle Ages on and includes representations of Justinian, Muhammad, Charlemagne, John of England, Louis IX of France, Hugo Grotius, Sir William Blackstone, John Marshall, and Napoleon. The Moses frieze depicts him holding the Ten Commandments, although only commandments six through ten, usually considered the more secular commands, are visible.
 
Indeed...couldn't get the xtians to remove there so they put one their themselves...

good gawd man ! don't you know where and how to use the words "there" and "their" ???????

where the fuck did you go to school ??

For fucks sakes I didn't get any sleep last night I got a teething 1 year old I am tired...its a minor mistake.

Lol...I didn't say I was damning anything just said I wouldn't swear on the bible...

Why just Christians ? Are you too afraid to piss of the other religions ?

:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:
Nope.I think all religion is silly and a crutch but here in NC that's pretty much all we have is xtians...oh and there is a mormon temple and a jehovah's witness one as well...figure they all believe in god so its easy to piss them all off...no muslims that I know of....jews meet in a church here...ironic I guess...

that's for damn sure...

LOL
 
I'm not an overly religious man, but I frankly don't get why atheists get so butt hurt over the Ten Commandments sitting in front of the court house. I fail to see how it's harming any of them. The religious meanings aside, "thou shalt not kill," "thou shalt not steal," etc. seem to be a pretty good way to live one's life. Why is this so harmful.

Furthermore, it seems the people that started this aren't even local so I can understand why the local population holds resentment towards them over this.

Because religion doesn't belong ANYWHERE near law/politics/education etc...By it being in front of a court house the state is in essence endorsing religion.

You seem to forget that the laws are based upon the rules put forth in Religion, particularly Judeo-Christian religions.

Care to take a guess what adorns the Supreme Court building and why?
This nation is under attack by these people, and this in my opinion makes them an enemy of this nation, but why does no one else see this as of yet ? If they are dead set on changing this nation against what the majority wants in this nation, and in which keeps it unified as a majority, then how is it that they are not seen as an enemy of the nation and it's majority opinions, in which such a majority should stand against such tyranny in which they are embarking on within this nation ? How is it that judges are going rogue in our nations courtrooms, and are deciding cases based on their own activism in these courtrooms now, and worse getting away with it ?

How has this nation become this stupid now ? Daily we see the results of such activism and it's cancer created upon the land, but we seek not to know where it has been born out of, and then we seek not to get to the source of this problem, and/or to push back this problem by enforcing our majority views and opinions against a rogue judge or judge gone rogue be it by removing him or her in a procedural manor ? Kidding me right ! The dems are using this unity in a cause found in a majority idea in voting wisely and affectively, however they are using the treasury to bribe a majority of certain groups to vote for them in order to keep them in power, so is it or could it be said now that the greed of the majority found in conservative so called Christians, is now stopping their way of life from further existence soon in America ? Have real Christians become a minority now in America ? It could be exactly what is taking place now that one thinks about it all, and especially by all that has taking place since. How is it that these anti-Christian groups somehow sense that the true Christians may have become a minority now in the nation, and so they are taking advantage of this in all that they can now ?
 
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good gawd man ! don't you know where and how to use the words "there" and "their" ???????

where the fuck did you go to school ??

For fucks sakes I didn't get any sleep last night I got a teething 1 year old I am tired...its a minor mistake.

Lol...I didn't say I was damning anything just said I wouldn't swear on the bible...

Nope.I think all religion is silly and a crutch but here in NC that's pretty much all we have is xtians...oh and there is a mormon temple and a jehovah's witness one as well...figure they all believe in god so its easy to piss them all off...no muslims that I know of....jews meet in a church here...ironic I guess...

Well it's a damn good thing an engraved rock ain't silly. Ever think of a bumper sticker that says " I hate Jews Mormons and Muslims to get the rest of the "idiots" pissed ?
No but I do plan on getting one of these right here.
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I never said they were Atheists just said they weren't christians. What is the difference between being a Deist and a Christian

They could have easily established a religion or even put god in the DOI or the Constitution etc...they didn't. They weren't xtians...

Who to believe? Hmmm. By their writings, the Founders said they were Christians. But you say they weren't.
Guess you didn't read any of the links I provided or listened to the NUMEROUS historians that say the founding fathers were deists not christians...there is a difference.
Because religion doesn't belong ANYWHERE near law/politics/education etc...By it being in front of a court house the state is in essence endorsing religion.

You seem to forget that the laws are based upon the rules put forth in Religion, particularly Judeo-Christian religions.

Care to take a guess what adorns the Supreme Court building and why?
This nation is under attack by these people, and this in my opinion makes them an enemy of this nation, but why does no one else see this as of yet ? If they are dead set on changing this nation against what the majority wants in this nation, and in which keeps it unified as a majority, then how is it that they are not seen as an enemy of the nation and it's majority opinions, in which such a majority should stand against such tyranny in which they are embarking on within this nation ? How is it that judges are going rogue in our nations courtrooms, and are deciding cases based on their own activism in these courtrooms now, and worse getting away with it ?

How has this nation become this stupid now ? Daily we see the results of such activism and it's cancer created upon the land, but we seek not to know where it has been born out of, and then we seek not to get to the source of this problem, and/or to push back this problem by enforcing our majority views and opinions against a rogue judge or judge gone rogue be it by removing him or her in a procedural manor ? Kidding me right ! The dems are using this unity in a cause found in a majority idea in voting wisely and affectively, however they are using the treasury to bribe a majority of certain groups to vote for them in order to keep them in power, so is it or could it be said now that the greed of the majority found in conservative so called Christians, now stopping their way of life from further existence soon in America ? Have real Christians become a minority now in America ? It could be exactly what is taking place now that one thinks about it all, and especially by all that has taking place since. How is it that these anti-Christian groups somehow sense that the true Christians may have become a minority now in the nation, and so they are taking advantage of this in all that they can now ?

The majority want a christian theocracy? Damn pretty sure the fact we are legalizing weed and gay marriage is proof your dead wrong. xtians right wingers are a dying breed and the sooner we get them out of politics the better...even better when religion dies. Its nothing more than a crutch.
 
Once again I hear christian right wingers.... I fail to understand how the Christian left is forgotten about...

You do understand that very many if not the majority of the left are Christians? At least in name.....
 
Once again I hear christian right wingers.... I fail to understand how the Christian left is forgotten about...

You do understand that very many if not the majority of the left are Christians? At least in name.....

Indeed I do but its the righties that want a theocracy here...quite a bit ya see lefties protesting with the gay supporters not against them. Personally I don't care for either one...religion sucks period. If someone's life is so bad they need to go somewhere to get a pep talk 1 or 2 times a week just freaking kill yourself already.
 
Once again I hear christian right wingers.... I fail to understand how the Christian left is forgotten about...

You do understand that very many if not the majority of the left are Christians? At least in name.....

Indeed I do but its the righties that want a theocracy here...quite a bit ya see lefties protesting with the gay supporters not against them. Personally I don't care for either one...religion sucks period. If someone's life is so bad they need to go somewhere to get a pep talk 1 or 2 times a week just freaking kill yourself already.
You are here getting a pep talk, so what's the difference ? How often do you come here a preaching to all of us ? LOL
 
I'm not an overly religious man, but I frankly don't get why atheists get so butt hurt over the Ten Commandments sitting in front of the court house. I fail to see how it's harming any of them. The religious meanings aside, "thou shalt not kill," "thou shalt not steal," etc. seem to be a pretty good way to live one's life. Why is this so harmful.

Furthermore, it seems the people that started this aren't even local so I can understand why the local population holds resentment towards them over this.

Because religion doesn't belong ANYWHERE near law/politics/education etc...By it being in front of a court house the state is in essence endorsing religion.

But that is not endorsing a religion. Our Congress has opened every session with a prayer since Day One, so it is self-evident our Founders believed in a Deity and that our country was based on religious principles. They believe in freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion. They did not believe religion should be removed from government. They simply believed no particular brand should direct government or our laws.

If your belief system is atheism, I support removing "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance. No one should force you to acknowledge a Deity with your own mouth. I totally get that. It is wrong. And that is entirely what the First Amendment is about.

But that does not mean your senses should be shielded from the sight of the acknowledgement of a Deity in government spaces. It does not mean God should be ejected from our public spaces.


This monument is just spite, nothing more (AMEN Brother !)

that "OF" and "FROM" is so confusing to the atheists/liberals that they have to constantly lie to cover their stupidity.

i sincerely do hope and pray the Lord helps them finf their out of the valley of death !! :up:

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Once again I hear christian right wingers.... I fail to understand how the Christian left is forgotten about...

You do understand that very many if not the majority of the left are Christians? At least in name.....

Indeed I do but its the righties that want a theocracy here...quite a bit ya see lefties protesting with the gay supporters not against them. Personally I don't care for either one...religion sucks period. If someone's life is so bad they need to go somewhere to get a pep talk 1 or 2 times a week just freaking kill yourself already.
You are here getting a pep talk, so what's the difference ? How often do you come here a preaching to all of us ? LOL
Really? I don't need a pep talk...I am not so weak willed that I need an invisible being in the sky to give me a pep talk every week

Because religion doesn't belong ANYWHERE near law/politics/education etc...By it being in front of a court house the state is in essence endorsing religion.

But that is not endorsing a religion. Our Congress has opened every session with a prayer since Day One, so it is self-evident our Founders believed in a Deity and that our country was based on religious principles. They believe in freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion. They did not believe religion should be removed from government. They simply believed no particular brand should direct government or our laws.

If your belief system is atheism, I support removing "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance. No one should force you to acknowledge a Deity with your own mouth. I totally get that. It is wrong. And that is entirely what the First Amendment is about.

But that does not mean your senses should be shielded from the sight of the acknowledgement of a Deity in government spaces. It does not mean God should be ejected from our public spaces.


This monument is just spite, nothing more (AMEN Brother !)

that "OF" and "FROM" is so confusing to the atheists/liberals that they have to constantly lie to cover their stupidity.

i sincerely do hope and pray the Lord helps them finf their out of the valley of death !! :up:

:clap2:
ROFL...Unfortunately you xtians think simply because we have freedom of religion that gives you the right to assault everyone with yours by pushing it in their face,trying to interject it into schools,courthouses,pretty much everything...you are the enemy.
 
And should you be called a witness at a trial, what would you swear to tell the truth on, if not the Bible.


i have noticed that the Bible is no longer used when swearing in a witness, has anyone else seen this on TV ? e.g., Zimmerman trial ??
 
I'm not an overly religious man, but I frankly don't get why atheists get so butt hurt over the Ten Commandments sitting in front of the court house. I fail to see how it's harming any of them. The religious meanings aside, "thou shalt not kill," "thou shalt not steal," etc. seem to be a pretty good way to live one's life and considering court houses are where justice is delivered (theoretically) it would seem to be the appropriate place. Why is this so harmful?

Furthermore, it seems the people that started this aren't even local so I can understand why the local population holds resentment towards them over this.

It Doesnt harm anyone. Its the fact that most liberals believe that government is secular.

None of these monuments should be up period.
 
And should you be called a witness at a trial, what would you swear to tell the truth on, if not the Bible.


i have noticed that the Bible is no longer used when swearing in a witness, has anyone else seen this on TV ? e.g., Zimmerman trial ??


So, we might as well say good bye to hearing the truth.
 
I'm not an overly religious man, but I frankly don't get why atheists get so butt hurt over the Ten Commandments sitting in front of the court house. I fail to see how it's harming any of them. The religious meanings aside, "thou shalt not kill," "thou shalt not steal," etc. seem to be a pretty good way to live one's life and considering court houses are where justice is delivered (theoretically) it would seem to be the appropriate place. Why is this so harmful?

Furthermore, it seems the people that started this aren't even local so I can understand why the local population holds resentment towards them over this.

It Doesnt harm anyone. Its the fact that most liberals believe that government is secular.

None of these monuments should be up period.

Do you fear that they will throw a magic spell on you or something ?
 

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