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[Vandalshandle]

One of my favorite christian expressions is, "I am not perfect, just forgiven", which means that they need not restrain themselves from sin, against god or men. It is the heart of Christian hypocrisy.

I've pointed this out to them before and they of course can explain it away. You see, you have to mean it to be forgiven. But then again, who isn't sorry after they get an abortion. It's a pretty sad day I bet. Or when you murder someone. I'm sure that can get to some people and after awhile guess what? You are really sorry. So all is forgiven. Time to move on. They just don't realize this allows them to feel like they can be ignorant mean assholes and get away with it. After all, they are only human.

I find it funny that the only things that live forever are christian souls and god. Everything else dies. What a bunch of hogwash. They don't see how stupid they are.

I find it interesting that someone who believes there is no such thing as sin or guilt objects to a religion which says sin and guilt are forgiven......

I'm the last person on earth to think that there is no guilt. Josh Duggar is guilty as hell.

 

[sealybobo]

silly Catholics.....every protestant knows they've already been forgiven if they've asked for it.....

See what I mean when I say Christians get to murder and get away with it? Anybody is sad/sorry after they get an abortion. Its natural. So Protestants get a free pass to murder their fetus'.

This is what I meant when someone said God laws are clear. I disagree. He says thou shall not lie, steal, screw your neighbors wife or murder but none of these things will stop you from entering the pearly gates.

It's the easiest club to get into and there are no real hard and fast rules. Just believe, dunk, pay your dues and you are IN!

so you don't like how grace and salvation work?........you think once someone has done something wrong they should be condemned forever?.......

I think I love that Christian woman is showing how unconstitutional her religion is by not issuing gays marriage licences. She's showing us all why we separate church and state.

 

[sealybobo]

One of my favorite christian expressions is, "I am not perfect, just forgiven", which means that they need not restrain themselves from sin, against god or men. It is the heart of Christian hypocrisy.

I've pointed this out to them before and they of course can explain it away. You see, you have to mean it to be forgiven. But then again, who isn't sorry after they get an abortion. It's a pretty sad day I bet. Or when you murder someone. I'm sure that can get to some people and after awhile guess what? You are really sorry. So all is forgiven. Time to move on. They just don't realize this allows them to feel like they can be ignorant mean assholes and get away with it. After all, they are only human.

I find it funny that the only things that live forever are christian souls and god. Everything else dies. What a bunch of hogwash. They don't see how stupid they are.

I find it interesting that someone who believes there is no such thing as sin or guilt objects to a religion which says sin and guilt are forgiven......

Easily forgiven. Couple hail marys aught to do it. And do it again. Talk about a church controlling everyone.

Funny you don't see it.

 

[sealybobo]

Any recent converts or theists starting to doubt the stories? My favorite site is whynogod.com

And definitely watch the cosmos. Both series.

 

[sealybobo]

If ever a theist stumps you, come here and post what they said. There isn't one argument for God that doesn't come without some fatal flaw.

Today I was having breakfast and listening to some stupid hillbillies talking about abortion and what the bible says. Then it hits me just how far gone theists are. Where would I even begin with this woman? Doesn't she realize men wrote that book? Why do I care what guys 1500 years ago wrote about a guy 2000 years ago? Imagine if people 1500 years ago could come know what we know now. Do you think people today would swallow such stories? Actually 200 years ago a large segment of us swallowed the Joseph Smith story and Arabs swallow the Mohammad experience.

You're all swallowing a 2000 or 7000 year old story if you count the founders of our lie the Jews. Moses is a myth. Let's stop this nonsense. It's holding us back.

I don't believe what they said happened happened 2000 years ago. So stop telling me what your story book says. We don't buy it! So what other reasons do you think "we are the only animals on this planet that God made in his image"

That is what the woman in the restaurant said. What possibly would make her believe this? A 2000 year old story? Imagine how much smarter we are today than we were 2000 years ago. I really hope we aren't as dumb as we are now 2000 years from now

The people of 3000 years ago from the Bible knew that there was mountains and valleys deep in the ocean floor. They knew that the earth was round. How could ancient men know that way back then?

First, we didn't know the earth was round 3000 years ago.

Erastosthenes presented about 2300 years ago all known facts why the Earth is a globe. The knowledge itselve was older. He calculated the circumference of the Earth is 50 times the distance between Assuan and Alexandria. (= 835 km = 519 mi). 519 *50 = 25950 mi. For the first approximation this was very good.

Second, watch the cosmos. They explain how throughout history humans have discovered things like the earth is moving not in a fixed position and each time the churches and rulers stifled this knowledge.

What's wrong. Nicolaus Copernicus for example was a catholic capitular or Max Plank for example was a protestant. Both men believed in god.

Even back during Plato's day, just before Christianity, they discovered science and math but they held it all back from the masses. Why? To keep us dumb.

You are a Nazi. The Nazis "teached" for example the sun is a special form of iceberg. No joke. No one is able to make Nazis dump. Nazis are dumpness per se. Even if Nazis say something what could sound first as if it could be true - there is for sure something behind this "truth" no one likes really to know.

They rather just keep feeding you a big lie and control you.

He's a Christian. Christians don't live in fear of truth. Your are a Nazi. A Christian who would believe in anything what a Nazi says would be on the wrong way to Tipperary or any other place on Earth where's good to live. The Nazi-ideology (racism for example) leads everyone into death.

Overuse of the words Nazi, socialist & communism?

Left or right political spectrum is for me unimportant. And I'm also not thinking because someone is using a word like "antfascist" he is not a Nazi - or someone who speaks in the name of god is really a Jew, Christian or Muslim. You are fighting against the nature of the unalienable human rights - you are fighting against your own better knowledge for racism and mass-murder. What you "know" about 'science' is in most cases without real base. No doubt - you are a Nazi.

On December 25, 1941, Julius Streicher, one of the most vicious of Hitler’s assistants, celebrated Christmas by penning the following editorial in his rabidly Antisemitic newspaper, Der Stuermer:

If one really wants to put an end to the continued prospering of this curse from heaven that is the Jewish blood, there is only one way to do it: to eradicate this people, this Satan’s son, root and branch.

No doubt, he was a Christian. Merry Christmas.

 

[aris2chat]

The people of 3000 years ago from the Bible knew that there was mountains and valleys deep in the ocean floor. They knew that the earth was round. How could ancient men know that way back then?

First, we didn't know the earth was round 3000 years ago.

Erastosthenes presented about 2300 years ago all known facts why the Earth is a globe. The knowledge itselve was older. He calculated the circumference of the Earth is 50 times the distance between Assuan and Alexandria. (= 835 km = 519 mi). 519 *50 = 25950 mi. For the first approximation this was very good.

Second, watch the cosmos. They explain how throughout history humans have discovered things like the earth is moving not in a fixed position and each time the churches and rulers stifled this knowledge.

What's wrong. Nicolaus Copernicus for example was a catholic capitular or Max Plank for example was a protestant. Both men believed in god.

Even back during Plato's day, just before Christianity, they discovered science and math but they held it all back from the masses. Why? To keep us dumb.

You are a Nazi. The Nazis "teached" for example the sun is a special form of iceberg. No joke. No one is able to make Nazis dump. Nazis are dumpness per se. Even if Nazis say something what could sound first as if it could be true - there is for sure something behind this "truth" no one likes really to know.

They rather just keep feeding you a big lie and control you.

He's a Christian. Christians don't live in fear of truth. Your are a Nazi. A Christian who would believe in anything what a Nazi says would be on the wrong way to Tipperary or any other place on Earth where's good to live. The Nazi-ideology (racism for example) leads everyone into death.

Overuse of the words Nazi, socialist & communism?

Left or right political spectrum is for me unimportant. And I'm also not thinking because someone is using a word like "antfascist" he is not a Nazi - or someone who speaks in the name of god is really a Jew, Christian or Muslim. You are fighting against the nature of the unalienable human rights - you are fighting against your own better knowledge for racism and mass-murder. What you "know" about 'science' is in most cases without real base. No doubt - you are a Nazi.

On December 25, 1941, Julius Streicher, one of the most vicious of Hitler’s assistants, celebrated Christmas by penning the following editorial in his rabidly Antisemitic newspaper, Der Stuermer:

If one really wants to put an end to the continued prospering of this curse from heaven that is the Jewish blood, there is only one way to do it: to eradicate this people, this Satan’s son, root and branch.

No doubt, he was a Christian. Merry Christmas.

Did he live in a clock?

 

[peach174]

If ever a theist stumps you, come here and post what they said. There isn't one argument for God that doesn't come without some fatal flaw.

Today I was having breakfast and listening to some stupid hillbillies talking about abortion and what the bible says. Then it hits me just how far gone theists are. Where would I even begin with this woman? Doesn't she realize men wrote that book? Why do I care what guys 1500 years ago wrote about a guy 2000 years ago? Imagine if people 1500 years ago could come know what we know now. Do you think people today would swallow such stories? Actually 200 years ago a large segment of us swallowed the Joseph Smith story and Arabs swallow the Mohammad experience.

You're all swallowing a 2000 or 7000 year old story if you count the founders of our lie the Jews. Moses is a myth. Let's stop this nonsense. It's holding us back.

I don't believe what they said happened happened 2000 years ago. So stop telling me what your story book says. We don't buy it! So what other reasons do you think "we are the only animals on this planet that God made in his image"

That is what the woman in the restaurant said. What possibly would make her believe this? A 2000 year old story? Imagine how much smarter we are today than we were 2000 years ago. I really hope we aren't as dumb as we are now 2000 years from now

The people of 3000 years ago from the Bible knew that there was mountains and valleys deep in the ocean floor. They knew that the earth was round. How could ancient men know that way back then?

First, we didn't know the earth was round 3000 years ago.

Second, watch the cosmos. They explain how throughout history humans have discovered things like the earth is moving not in a fixed position and each time the churches and rulers stifled this knowledge. Even back during Plato's day, just before Christianity, they discovered science and math but they held it all back from the masses. Why? To keep us dumb.

They rather just keep feeding you a big lie and control you.

That was the whole point of what I was saying.
They did not know that the Earth was round, suspended in space and there were mountains and valleys in the deep ocean. The Bible tells us that.
It means God guided the men who wrote the Bible because ancient man knew nothing about the above.
Man made religion had different things holding up the Earth - turtle, atlas(human), the bible says it is suspending in space.

 

[aris2chat]

If ever a theist stumps you, come here and post what they said. There isn't one argument for God that doesn't come without some fatal flaw.

Today I was having breakfast and listening to some stupid hillbillies talking about abortion and what the bible says. Then it hits me just how far gone theists are. Where would I even begin with this woman? Doesn't she realize men wrote that book? Why do I care what guys 1500 years ago wrote about a guy 2000 years ago? Imagine if people 1500 years ago could come know what we know now. Do you think people today would swallow such stories? Actually 200 years ago a large segment of us swallowed the Joseph Smith story and Arabs swallow the Mohammad experience.

You're all swallowing a 2000 or 7000 year old story if you count the founders of our lie the Jews. Moses is a myth. Let's stop this nonsense. It's holding us back.

I don't believe what they said happened happened 2000 years ago. So stop telling me what your story book says. We don't buy it! So what other reasons do you think "we are the only animals on this planet that God made in his image"

That is what the woman in the restaurant said. What possibly would make her believe this? A 2000 year old story? Imagine how much smarter we are today than we were 2000 years ago. I really hope we aren't as dumb as we are now 2000 years from now

The people of 3000 years ago from the Bible knew that there was mountains and valleys deep in the ocean floor. They knew that the earth was round. How could ancient men know that way back then?

First, we didn't know the earth was round 3000 years ago.

Second, watch the cosmos. They explain how throughout history humans have discovered things like the earth is moving not in a fixed position and each time the churches and rulers stifled this knowledge. Even back during Plato's day, just before Christianity, they discovered science and math but they held it all back from the masses. Why? To keep us dumb.

They rather just keep feeding you a big lie and control you.

That was the whole point of what I was saying.
They did not know that the Earth was round, suspended in space and there were mountains and valleys in the deep ocean. The Bible tells us that.
It means God guided the men who wrote the Bible because ancient man knew nothing about the above.
Man made religion had different things holding up the Earth - turtle, atlas(human), the bible says it is suspending in space.

Stonehenge man and others knew the earth was round by studying the sun, moon and stars.

 

[sealybobo]

If ever a theist stumps you, come here and post what they said. There isn't one argument for God that doesn't come without some fatal flaw.

Today I was having breakfast and listening to some stupid hillbillies talking about abortion and what the bible says. Then it hits me just how far gone theists are. Where would I even begin with this woman? Doesn't she realize men wrote that book? Why do I care what guys 1500 years ago wrote about a guy 2000 years ago? Imagine if people 1500 years ago could come know what we know now. Do you think people today would swallow such stories? Actually 200 years ago a large segment of us swallowed the Joseph Smith story and Arabs swallow the Mohammad experience.

You're all swallowing a 2000 or 7000 year old story if you count the founders of our lie the Jews. Moses is a myth. Let's stop this nonsense. It's holding us back.

I don't believe what they said happened happened 2000 years ago. So stop telling me what your story book says. We don't buy it! So what other reasons do you think "we are the only animals on this planet that God made in his image"

That is what the woman in the restaurant said. What possibly would make her believe this? A 2000 year old story? Imagine how much smarter we are today than we were 2000 years ago. I really hope we aren't as dumb as we are now 2000 years from now

The people of 3000 years ago from the Bible knew that there was mountains and valleys deep in the ocean floor. They knew that the earth was round. How could ancient men know that way back then?

First, we didn't know the earth was round 3000 years ago.

Second, watch the cosmos. They explain how throughout history humans have discovered things like the earth is moving not in a fixed position and each time the churches and rulers stifled this knowledge. Even back during Plato's day, just before Christianity, they discovered science and math but they held it all back from the masses. Why? To keep us dumb.

They rather just keep feeding you a big lie and control you.

That was the whole point of what I was saying.
They did not know that the Earth was round, suspended in space and there were mountains and valleys in the deep ocean. The Bible tells us that.
It means God guided the men who wrote the Bible because ancient man knew nothing about the above.
Man made religion had different things holding up the Earth - turtle, atlas(human), the bible says it is suspending in space.

Men knew the earth was not the center of the universe long before Christianity and religions killed anyone who dared suggest it.

Even Catholic Christian popes killed blasphemers like giordano Bruno who said stars were distant suns. Don't pretend now that Christians were ahead of the curve.

 

[sealybobo]

If ever a theist stumps you, come here and post what they said. There isn't one argument for God that doesn't come without some fatal flaw.

Today I was having breakfast and listening to some stupid hillbillies talking about abortion and what the bible says. Then it hits me just how far gone theists are. Where would I even begin with this woman? Doesn't she realize men wrote that book? Why do I care what guys 1500 years ago wrote about a guy 2000 years ago? Imagine if people 1500 years ago could come know what we know now. Do you think people today would swallow such stories? Actually 200 years ago a large segment of us swallowed the Joseph Smith story and Arabs swallow the Mohammad experience.

You're all swallowing a 2000 or 7000 year old story if you count the founders of our lie the Jews. Moses is a myth. Let's stop this nonsense. It's holding us back.

I don't believe what they said happened happened 2000 years ago. So stop telling me what your story book says. We don't buy it! So what other reasons do you think "we are the only animals on this planet that God made in his image"

That is what the woman in the restaurant said. What possibly would make her believe this? A 2000 year old story? Imagine how much smarter we are today than we were 2000 years ago. I really hope we aren't as dumb as we are now 2000 years from now

The people of 3000 years ago from the Bible knew that there was mountains and valleys deep in the ocean floor. They knew that the earth was round. How could ancient men know that way back then?

First, we didn't know the earth was round 3000 years ago.

Second, watch the cosmos. They explain how throughout history humans have discovered things like the earth is moving not in a fixed position and each time the churches and rulers stifled this knowledge. Even back during Plato's day, just before Christianity, they discovered science and math but they held it all back from the masses. Why? To keep us dumb.

They rather just keep feeding you a big lie and control you.

That was the whole point of what I was saying.
They did not know that the Earth was round, suspended in space and there were mountains and valleys in the deep ocean. The Bible tells us that.
It means God guided the men who wrote the Bible because ancient man knew nothing about the above.
Man made religion had different things holding up the Earth - turtle, atlas(human), the bible says it is suspending in space.

Stonehenge man and others knew the earth was round by studying the sun, moon and stars.

Christians didn't need all that. They already knew 2000 years ago. So why 500 years ago did the Catholic church say it was blasphemy when Giordano Bruno said stars were other distant suns and the church said it was harasy. They thought we were the center and everything revolved around us. Christianity has been so heavily altered edited redacted re interpreted etc

 

[Thunderbird]

If ever a theist stumps you, come here and post what they said. There isn't one argument for God that doesn't come without some fatal flaw.

sealybobo is so desperate to justify his hatred of religious folk he dismisses arguments he doesn't even comprehend:

The New Atheism and Five Arguments for God | Reasonable Faith

Twenty Arguments For The Existence Of God by Peter Kreeft & Ronald K. Tacelli

What is the "fine-tuning" of the universe, and how does it serve as a "pointer to God"?

sealybobo has shown no ability to understand much less refute these various arguments. Usually he just links to some amateurish hate site and runs away.

Let's stop this nonsense. It's holding us back.

Actually atheism has held us back.

Communist atheists in only 80 years killed about 94 million! And the number of deaths caused by atheism is much higher. An atheist, Stalin, along with his fellow Christian-hater Hitler started the worst war in human history. And don't forget all the deaths caused by atheist imperialists like Jules Ferry or atheist fascists like Mussolini, who was in part inspired by another blood-thirsty atheist - Nietzsche. And don't forget the Armenian genocide, committed by secular fanatics: the Young Turks.
Please also remember that the austere atheist philosophy has never attracted a large number of believers. Under 3% of the world population is atheist. So a small number of atheists are responsible for a tremendous amount of carnage. On a per capita basis atheists are by far the worst murderers in human history.

I don't believe what they said happened happened 2000 years ago. So stop telling me what your story book says.

You know the materialist worldview is older than Christianity.

 

[sealybobo]

If ever a theist stumps you, come here and post what they said. There isn't one argument for God that doesn't come without some fatal flaw.

sealybobo is so desperate to justify his hatred of religious folk he dismisses arguments he doesn't even comprehend:

The New Atheism and Five Arguments for God | Reasonable Faith

Twenty Arguments For The Existence Of God by Peter Kreeft & Ronald K. Tacelli

What is the "fine-tuning" of the universe, and how does it serve as a "pointer to God"?

sealybobo has shown no ability to understand much less refute these various arguments. Usually he just links to some amateurish hate site and runs away.

Let's stop this nonsense. It's holding us back.

Actually atheism has held us back.

Communist atheists in only 80 years killed about 94 million! And the number of deaths caused by atheism is much higher. An atheist, Stalin, along with his fellow Christian-hater Hitler started the worst war in human history. And don't forget all the deaths caused by atheist imperialists like Jules Ferry or atheist fascists like Mussolini, who was in part inspired by another blood-thirsty atheist - Nietzsche. And don't forget the Armenian genocide, committed by secular fanatics: the Young Turks.
Please also remember that the austere atheist philosophy has never attracted a large number of believers. Under 3% of the world population is atheist. So a small number of atheists are responsible for a tremendous amount of carnage. On a per capita basis atheists are by far the worst murderers in human history.

I don't believe what they said happened happened 2000 years ago. So stop telling me what your story book says.

You know the materialist worldview is older than Christianity.

Hitler was a Catholic. At least the German people he led were. Often you'll find atheism often gets confused with anti religious regimes. Considering the dicks Christians were could you blame them?

 

[aris2chat]

If ever a theist stumps you, come here and post what they said. There isn't one argument for God that doesn't come without some fatal flaw.

Today I was having breakfast and listening to some stupid hillbillies talking about abortion and what the bible says. Then it hits me just how far gone theists are. Where would I even begin with this woman? Doesn't she realize men wrote that book? Why do I care what guys 1500 years ago wrote about a guy 2000 years ago? Imagine if people 1500 years ago could come know what we know now. Do you think people today would swallow such stories? Actually 200 years ago a large segment of us swallowed the Joseph Smith story and Arabs swallow the Mohammad experience.

You're all swallowing a 2000 or 7000 year old story if you count the founders of our lie the Jews. Moses is a myth. Let's stop this nonsense. It's holding us back.

I don't believe what they said happened happened 2000 years ago. So stop telling me what your story book says. We don't buy it! So what other reasons do you think "we are the only animals on this planet that God made in his image"

That is what the woman in the restaurant said. What possibly would make her believe this? A 2000 year old story? Imagine how much smarter we are today than we were 2000 years ago. I really hope we aren't as dumb as we are now 2000 years from now

The people of 3000 years ago from the Bible knew that there was mountains and valleys deep in the ocean floor. They knew that the earth was round. How could ancient men know that way back then?

First, we didn't know the earth was round 3000 years ago.

Second, watch the cosmos. They explain how throughout history humans have discovered things like the earth is moving not in a fixed position and each time the churches and rulers stifled this knowledge. Even back during Plato's day, just before Christianity, they discovered science and math but they held it all back from the masses. Why? To keep us dumb.

They rather just keep feeding you a big lie and control you.

That was the whole point of what I was saying.
They did not know that the Earth was round, suspended in space and there were mountains and valleys in the deep ocean. The Bible tells us that.
It means God guided the men who wrote the Bible because ancient man knew nothing about the above.
Man made religion had different things holding up the Earth - turtle, atlas(human), the bible says it is suspending in space.

Stonehenge man and others knew the earth was round by studying the sun, moon and stars.

Christians didn't need all that. They already knew 2000 years ago. So why 500 years ago did the Catholic church say it was blasphemy when Giordano Bruno said stars were other distant suns and the church said it was harasy. They thought we were the center and everything revolved around us. Christianity has been so heavily altered edited redacted re interpreted etc

Was not that the earth was round so much as they believe the earth was the center and the sun and planets revolved around us. "God created the earth" and they could not conceive of a universe with billions of planets that might have other life or that we were not the most important part of the cosmos. They did not believe in man being such a tiny part of the global time line or that other life forms could have thrived for millions of years, several times.

Ego

 

[Thunderbird]

If ever a theist stumps you, come here and post what they said. There isn't one argument for God that doesn't come without some fatal flaw.

sealybobo is so desperate to justify his hatred of religious folk he dismisses arguments he doesn't even comprehend:

The New Atheism and Five Arguments for God | Reasonable Faith

Twenty Arguments For The Existence Of God by Peter Kreeft & Ronald K. Tacelli

What is the "fine-tuning" of the universe, and how does it serve as a "pointer to God"?

sealybobo has shown no ability to understand much less refute these various arguments. Usually he just links to some amateurish hate site and runs away.

Let's stop this nonsense. It's holding us back.

Actually atheism has held us back.

Communist atheists in only 80 years killed about 94 million! And the number of deaths caused by atheism is much higher. An atheist, Stalin, along with his fellow Christian-hater Hitler started the worst war in human history. And don't forget all the deaths caused by atheist imperialists like Jules Ferry or atheist fascists like Mussolini, who was in part inspired by another blood-thirsty atheist - Nietzsche. And don't forget the Armenian genocide, committed by secular fanatics: the Young Turks.
Please also remember that the austere atheist philosophy has never attracted a large number of believers. Under 3% of the world population is atheist. So a small number of atheists are responsible for a tremendous amount of carnage. On a per capita basis atheists are by far the worst murderers in human history.

I don't believe what they said happened happened 2000 years ago. So stop telling me what your story book says.

You know the materialist worldview is older than Christianity.

Hitler was a Catholic.

No.

You Mean Hitler Wasn’t A Priest? - WorldWide Religious News

At least the German people he led were.

No.

Articles: The Nazis and Christianity

Often you'll find atheism often gets confused with anti religious regimes.

Atheism is a central element of Marxism/Leninism. If it wasn't Communist regimes would have made an accommodation with religion rather than persecution and even mass killing of religious folk.

Some quotes:

“The first requisite for the happiness of the people is the abolition of religion” (Karl Marx)

“Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism.” (attributed to Vladimir I. Lenin)

“Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism.” (V.I. Lenin)

“Let us drive out the Capitalists from the earth, and God from Heaven!” (early Soviet slogan)

The official journal of the Soviet Academy of Pedagogical Sciences published a government directive Atheistic Education in the School as a resource on how to separate God from human society. The opening paragraph is revealing: “The Soviet school, as an instrument for the Communist education of the rising generation, can, as a matter of principle, take up no other attitude towards religion than one of irreconcilable opposition; for Communist education has as its philosophical basis Marxism, and Marxism is irreconcilably hostile to religion. ‘Marxism is materialism,’ says V. I. Lenin; ‘as such, it is as relentlessly hostile to religion as the materialism of the Encyclopedaists of the eighteenth century or the materialism of Feuerbach.’”

“The World has never before known a godlessness as organized, militarized and tenaciously malevolent as that preached by Marxism. Within the philosophical system of Marx and Lenin and at the heart of their psychology, HATRED OF GOD is the principle driving force, more fundamental than all their political and economic pretensions. Militant atheism is not merely incidental or marginal to Communist policy; it is not a side effect, but the central pivot. To achieve its diabolical ends, Communism needs to control a population devoid of religious and national feeling, and this entails a destruction of faith and nationhood. Communists proclaim both of these objectives openly, and just as openly put them into practice.” (Alexander Solzhenitsyn)

We know you are an ignorant clown, you don't have to keep exposing yourself.

Remember how dumb you looked here: The De-Christianization of America | Page 8 | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

 

[zaangalewa]

The people of 3000 years ago from the Bible knew that there was mountains and valleys deep in the ocean floor. They knew that the earth was round. How could ancient men know that way back then?

First, we didn't know the earth was round 3000 years ago.

Erastosthenes presented about 2300 years ago all known facts why the Earth is a globe. The knowledge itselve was older. He calculated the circumference of the Earth is 50 times the distance between Assuan and Alexandria. (= 835 km = 519 mi). 519 *50 = 25950 mi. For the first approximation this was very good.

Second, watch the cosmos. They explain how throughout history humans have discovered things like the earth is moving not in a fixed position and each time the churches and rulers stifled this knowledge.

What's wrong. Nicolaus Copernicus for example was a catholic capitular or Max Plank for example was a protestant. Both men believed in god.

Even back during Plato's day, just before Christianity, they discovered science and math but they held it all back from the masses. Why? To keep us dumb.

You are a Nazi. The Nazis "teached" for example the sun is a special form of iceberg. No joke. No one is able to make Nazis dump. Nazis are dumpness per se. Even if Nazis say something what could sound first as if it could be true - there is for sure something behind this "truth" no one likes really to know.

They rather just keep feeding you a big lie and control you.

He's a Christian. Christians don't live in fear of truth. Your are a Nazi. A Christian who would believe in anything what a Nazi says would be on the wrong way to Tipperary or any other place on Earth where's good to live. The Nazi-ideology (racism for example) leads everyone into death.

Overuse of the words Nazi, socialist & communism?

Left or right political spectrum is for me unimportant. And I'm also not thinking because someone is using a word like "antfascist" he is not a Nazi - or someone who speaks in the name of god is really a Jew, Christian or Muslim. You are fighting against the nature of the unalienable human rights - you are fighting against your own better knowledge for racism and mass-murder. What you "know" about 'science' is in most cases without real base. No doubt - you are a Nazi.

On December 25, 1941, Julius Streicher, one of the most vicious of Hitler’s assistants, celebrated Christmas by penning the following editorial in his rabidly Antisemitic newspaper, Der Stuermer:

If one really wants to put an end to the continued prospering of this curse from heaven that is the Jewish blood, there is only one way to do it: to eradicate this people, this Satan’s son, root and branch.

Christians in Germany celebrate Christmas on December 24th! The reason? Our children cannot sleep if they have to wait for the child in the manger and the presents. Or maybe our days started like the days of the Jews in the evening in former times. Whatever: I don't have any idea how someone is able to think "Der Stürmer" had to do only a little with the christian religion. It was a rassistic publication of the ideology of the Nazis. The Nazis misused everything they were able to misuse. A typically cartoon of the Nazis was for example in such a way: (Their message here was "The bad priests are under control of the devil, mother Mary and her child, the christian cross and the bible (not under control of us good Nazis!)").

No doubt, he was a Christian. Merry Christmas.

No doubt you don't have any idea what you are speaking about. I hope you can find a good translator so you are able to study this german text:

Nazi-Propaganda Weihnachten unter dem Hakenkreuz
Von Stefanie Oswalt

Ein Plätzchen-Ausstecher in Hakenkreuz-Form in der Ausstellung "Von wegen Heilige Nacht - Weihnachten in der politischen Propaganda", die 2009 in Köln gezeigt wurde. (picture alliance / dpa / Foto: Jörg Carstensen )
Die Nationalsozialisten verachteten jede Art christlichen Brauchtums. Und so versuchten sie nach der Machtaneignung 1933, christliche Rituale durch neue, oftmals an vermeintlich germanisches Brauchtum anknüpfende Riten zu ersetzen. Mit Auswirkungen bis heute.

Ein Tanne. Die gerupften Äste in Form eines Hakenkreuzes angeordnet. Der Stamm in einem Christbaumständer, ebenfalls in Hakenkreuzform. Dazu die Bildüberschrift

Zitat: "O Tannenbaum im deutschen Raum, wie krumm sind deine Äste."

1934 gestaltete John Heartfield diese Fotokollage. Der Künstler, Veteran und scharfer Kritiker des aufkommenden Nationalsozialismus, floh 1933 als politisch und rassisch Verfolgter ins Exil. Von dort beobachtete und kritisierte er, wie Hitlers Chefideologen den systematischen Umbau des Weihnachtsfests betrieben.

Manfred Gailus: "Die Nationalsozialisten gingen hier vorsichtig vor, das Weihnachtsfest wurde langsam umgedeutet und umgeprägt, nicht von heute auf morgen, sondern auf einen längeren Zeitraum berechnet. Alles, was christlich am Weihnachtsfest war, wurde umgebildet. Also man sprach nicht von Christfest und Christkind natürlich, sondern vom deutschen Weihnachten und vom Weihnachtsmann und christliche Bezüge sollten eben zurücktreten."

"Jul-Fest" als neuer Weihnachtskult
Manfred Gailus ist Historiker an der Technischen Universität Berlin und hat sich intensiv mit der Verknüpfung von Kirche und Nationalsozialismus befasst. Subtil und systematisch, so Gailus, bereiteten die Nationalsozialisten eine Umgestaltung des Weihnachtskultes vor. Das bedeute: Sie schufen einen neuen, vermeintlich germanischen Sonnenwendkult, auch Julfest genannt. Sie verklärten die Mutterrolle und inszenierten einen Naturmythos, der dem Tod als existenzieller Voraussetzung für das Leben huldigte.

Alle drei Elemente finden sich bereits in dem 1936 erstmals veröffentlichten Lied: "Hohe Nacht der klaren Sterne“, das binnen weniger Jahre zum populärsten nationalsozialistischen Weihnachtslied avancierte.

Richard Faber: "Dieses Lied stammt von einem Hans Baumann, der auch geschrieben hat das berühmte Lied: Es zittern die morschen Knochen, die Welt vor dem roten Krieg. Mit den berühmten, schrecklichen Versen: ´Wir werden weiter marschieren, wenn alles in Scherben fällt, denn heute gehört uns Deutschland und morgen die ganze Welt`.“

Der Religionssoziologe Richard Faber hat sich in seinen Forschungen intensiv mit der Vereinnahmung von Weihnachten durch politische Systeme, besonders aber durch den Nationalsozialismus vor und während des Krieges, beschäftigt.

"Da gibt es eben Gedichte und Lieder, wo unglaublich umgeschrieben wird das im engeren Sinne Christliche hin auf das Nationale und jetzt gerade Kriegerische. Man will diese Gemütskraft eben dem Krieg zugute kommen lassen, die Kriegsbegeisterung dadurch stärken, den Zusammenhalt."

Die biblische Geschichte vom Christkind in der Krippe wurde getilgt, alle alttestamentarischen Begriffe vermieden, das Lied "Tochter Zion, freue dich!" gar gänzlich verboten. Zugleich erarbeitete die NSDAP Konzepte, nach denen Weihnachtsfeierlichkeiten künftig abzuhalten wären. Faber zeigt einen Entwurf für eine sogenannte "Weihnachtsfesthalle".

"Das ist eine Bühne und da gibt es zwei Hakenkreuzfahnen, links drei Bäume, rechts drei Bäume vor den Hakenkreuzfahnen, dann dazwischen nochmal zwei Lichterbäume und in der Mitte eine Stele mit der Büste von Adolf Hitler und ein Rednerpult, so ne Art Nazi-Kanzel... also das ist wie der Altarraum einer Kirche."

Feier als eine Art Glaubensbekenntnis
In der Berliner Staatsbibliothek findet sich eine Broschüre mit dem Titel "Deutsche Weihnacht. Beispielvorschläge der Reichspropagandaleitung zur Gestaltung einer nationalsozialistischen Weihnachtsfeier" von 1937. Sie gibt Hinweise, welche Merkmale eine, nach NS-Verständnis, "gute" Weihnachtsfeier, habe:

Zitat:
"- Sie soll die Dauer einer guten Stunde keinesfalls überschreiten.
- Eine nationalsozialistische Weihnachtsfeier ist eine Bekenntnisveranstaltung. Nichts, was diesen Charakter stören würde, hat darin Raum.
- Eine nationalsozialistische Weihnachtsfeier hat die uralte Tradition des deutschen Weihnachtsfestes sinnvoll mitten in unsere Zeit zu stellen und so dem Teilnehmer fühlbar zu machen, dass jenseits aller Fragen der Konfession die alten Weihnachtssymbole Feuer und Baum auch in unserer Zeit einen lebendigen, tiefen Sinn haben."

Akribisch verzeichnet die Broschüre den Ablauf: Ansprachen und Lieder wechseln einander ab und schließlich sollte die Feier in einer Art Glaubensbekenntnis zu Volk und Führer gipfeln:

Zitat:
"Ich bin Deutscher,
ich glaube an mein Volk!
Ich glaube an seine Ehre!
Ich glaube an seine Zukunft (...)"

Natürlich fehlten auch hier die Sieg-Heil-Rufe zum Schluss der Feier nicht, die in den tosenden Rausch der Hymnen und Fanfaren münden sollten. Religionssoziologe Faber:

"Dass die HJ, dass der Bund deutscher Mädel, dass die SS, die SA, die anderen Massenorganisationen, die Frauenorganisationen, die man gar nicht wichtig genug nehmen kann, das mehr oder weniger ab 35/36 in dieser Nazi-Manier gefeiert haben, gibt es keinen Zweifel."

Wie weit die Nationalsozialisten öffentlich mit ihren Bemühungen einer Umgestaltung des Weihnachtskultes gekommen waren, notierte am 25. Dezember 1938 der Romanist Viktor Klemperer in Dresden in seinem Tagebuch. Klemperer galt nach den Rassegesetzen als jüdisch, war aber getauft und Mitglied einer evangelischen Gemeinde bekennender Christen. Wie ein Seismograph verzeichnete er die gesellschaftlichen Veränderungen unter der Nazi-Diktatur:

Zitat Viktor Klemperer: (Bd. 1/ S. 449)
"Gestern zum erstenmal im dritten Reich ist die Weihnachtsbetrachtung der Zeitung gänzlich dechristianisiert. Großdeutsche Weihnacht – der deutschen Seele die Neugeburt des Lichtes, die Auferstehung des deutschen Reiches bedeutend. Der Jude Jesus und alles Geistliche und allgemein Menschliche ausgeschaltet. Das ist fraglos Ordre für alle Zeitungen."

Gailus: "Hier aus dieser kleinen Notiz kann man sehen, das ist 1938, wir stehen kurz vor 1939, da ist das schon ein beträchtliches Stück voran, das heißt, auch die Nationalsozialisten, auch die Partei, die machten zu dieser Zeit Weihnachtsfeiern und Bescherungen. Aber der Weihnachtsmann war dann Göring oder ein anderer, der sich verkleidet hatte und den Kindern Geschenke brachte. Also das heißt: Lichterfest, Freude und Geschenke, das sollte schon sein, aber die Bedeutung musste sich wandeln."

SS-Runen statt christlicher Symbole
Was dies konkret bedeutet, zeigt Marion Gardei in der Berliner Gedenkstätte Topographie des Terrors. Gardei ist Pfarrerin und seit einigen Monaten Beauftragte der Evangelischen Kirche Berlin-Oberlausitz für Erinnerungskultur. Gardei weist auf ein stark vergrößertes Foto, das Männer in Uniformen und Frauen bei einer Feier zeigt.

"Es sind Wachmänner eines Konzentrationslagers mit ihren Ehefrauen, und auf den ersten Blick sieht das so aus, als wäre das eine Weihnachtsfeier. Man sieht auf dem Tisch stehen: Kerzen, Bols-Cognak, Gebäck, das an Stollen erinnert. Wenn man aber genau hinguckt, sieht man aber, dass das eine Anti-Weihnachtsfeier ist, nämlich eine sogenannte Jul-Feier, in der ganz andere Symbole sprechen als die christlichen. Also man sieht hier die Runen der SS und man sieht hier besonders auf den Tischen stehen Leuchter, die die Sonnenwende versinnbildlichen... diese Leuchter wurden gebastelt von KZ-Häftlingen. Die Menschen, die da gemütlich beisammen sitzen, sind eben Menschen, die in ihrem Alltag Häftlinge bewachen und quälen."

Offizielle Feiern beschworen den Zusammenhalt der Volksgemeinschaft, Hitler als Heilsbringer und die Mutter als Gottesmutterersatz. Marion Gardei:

"Man hat zum Beispiel einen übersteigerten Mutterkult an die Stelle des Marienkultes gesetzt, und Weihnachten 1938 wurde zum ersten mal das Ehrenkreuz der deutschen Mutter, also im Volksmund genannt Mutterkreuz, an kinderreiche Mütter verliehen. Ausschließlich natürlich an die mit Ariernachweis."

Bestandteil vieler Feiern, sagt Gardei, war das damals populäre Gedicht "Mütterweihnacht".

Gardei:
"So sehen wir in der Weihenacht auf Erden
Die Mütter hell im Glanz der Sterne und der Kerzen stehen
Sie müssen still durch Nacht und Not und Schmerzen gehen.
Auf dass dem Volk von morgen Mütter und Soldaten werden.
Also das ist so eine Dichtung aus dieser Zeit."

Wie sehr drang dieser neue Weihnachtskult auch in die private Sphäre vor? Schwer zu wissen, sagt Religionssoziologe Faber.

"Ab 39/ 40 gibt es eine spezifische Nazi-Kriegsweihnacht, neue Riten, die aber über des Feuer etc. eben irgendwie über die Germanen hergeleitet werden, und man hat Angst, dass die Sentimentalität, unter Umständen auch die christliche Friedensbotschaft an Weihnachten zu einer Art Wehrkraft-Zersetzung führt und will das Fest aber umgekehrt gerade zur Stütze der Volksgemeinschaft und des Wehrwillens benutzen."

Heldengedenken zu Weihnachten
Deswegen versuchte die nationalsozialistische Propaganda ab 1939 verstärkt, Heldengedenken mit dem Weihnachtsritus zu verschmelzen, etwa indem am 21. Dezember nicht nur die Wintersonnenwende gefeiert wurde, sondern auch Kriegerdenkmäler offiziell besucht wurden.

Faber: "Die Männergruppen, die Männerbünde feiern im Wald um einen riesigen Holzstoß, der dann heilig genannt wird, Wintersonnwende. Und von dort wird das Feuer dann eben in den Ort gebracht. Und dieser Baum soll eben eine ganz uralt-Germanische Sache sein, und sozusagen im Geist der Ahnen versammelt man sich, ihrer gedenkend, eben gerade der gestorbenen Helden und Ahnen, um da Kraft zu sammeln."

Weihnachten wurde so als Naturmythos des Sterbens und des Neubeginns inszeniert, erklärt Faber:

"Das heißt: Jetzt ist zwar die Sonne ganz klein geworden. Sie ist fast untergegangen, es herrscht fast die Dunkelheit, aber die wird nicht bleiben, das Licht wird wieder aufstehen, und so ist es im Leben insgesamt. Es muss gestorben werden, damit wieder Leben werden kann. Es ist also eine zyklische Vorstellung, die alles Grauen nicht nur anerkennt, sondern eben billigt, ja geradezu feiert, weil ohne diese Dunkelheit, weil ohne dieses Sterben nicht gesteigertes Leben kommen könnte. Das Korn muss in die Erde fallen und dort in die Dunkelheit, aber eines Tages bricht es auf zur neuen Pflanze. Das ist so, wenn man will, der Grundmythos, der sich mit Sozialdarwinismus gut verbinden lässt. Und vor allem mit täglichem Kriegertod."

Zitat:
"Hohe Nacht mit großen Feuern, die auf allen Bergen sind,
Heut muss sich die Erd erneuern wie ein jung geboren Kind."

Höheres Leben des Volkes durch den Tod war ein immer wiederkehrender Gedanke nationalsozialistischer Kriegspropaganda. Auch in der Ansprache des Reichspropaganda-Ministers Joseph Goebbels, die zu Weihnachten 1941 bereits zum dritten Mal reichsweit bis an alle Fronten ausgestrahlt wird.

Goebbels, Rundfunkansprache (aus dem DRA): "Das Leben ist hart. Der Krieg hat es nur noch härter gemacht. Mit Empfindsamkeit werden wir seiner nicht Herr... Der Sieg wird uns nicht geschenkt, wir können ihn uns nur verdienen. Jeder muss daran mitarbeiten. Auch und gerade am heutigen Abend haben wir all unsere Gedanken auf ihn zu konzentrieren. Es wird einmal auch wieder die Zeit kommen, wo die Anstrengungen des Krieges vorbei sind... Dann werden vor allem die Toten dieses Krieges als die leuchtenden Helden vor unseren Augen stehen, die ihr Leben einsetzten, um das höhere Leben des Volkes zu gewinnen."

Propaganda durch Weihnachtssendungen im Radio
Überhaupt die Weihnachtsansprachen und Weihnachtsringsendungen im Radio. Sie bildeten einen zentralen Angelpunkt des nationalsozialistischen Weihnachtskults. Moderne Technik erlaubte es, Weihnachtssendungen zeitgleich in die entlegensten Winkel des Großdeutschen Reichs zu senden, um die Volksgemeinschaft zu beschwören, Durchhalteparolen und Ermutigungsappelle zu verbreiten. Legendär und immer wieder gespielt sind die Weihnachts-Ringsendungen – hier von 1942: Ein sorgfältig konzipiertes Programm, das vermeintlich live von Soldaten an zahlreichen Frontabschnitten mitgestaltet wurde. Tatsächlich war die Sendung in Teilen vorab produziert und keineswegs "spontan".

Ringsendung: "Plücker: Hier ist noch einmal der Schwarzmeerhafen... Hier ist noch einmal der Schwarzmeerhafen auf der Halbinsel Krim. Wir bitten Euch Kameraden, jetzt in das schöne alte deutsche Weihnachtslied Stille Nacht mit einzustimmen..."

"Stille Nacht, Heilige Nacht" – wohlgemerkt in seiner originalen Fassung mit "holdem Knaben in lockigem Haar" – ist hier das alle verbindende Weihnachtslied. Ein Lied, dessen Text Anfang des 19. Jahrhunderts in Bayern von einem katholischen Pfarrer aufgeschrieben worden war. Vielleicht zeigt sich an diesem Detail, dass es für die nationalsozialistischen Ideologen letztlich doch schwierig war, konsequent mit den christlichen Traditionen aufzuräumen. Historiker Gailus und Pfarrerin Gardei:

Gailus: "Aber der Krieg ändert dann doch die Dinge. Das heißt, durch die total veränderte Situation, eine Nation, ein Volk im Krieg, stellen die Nationalsozialisten diese Zielsetzungen doch zurück. Das gilt ja auch für das ganze Thema Christentum und Kirche. Die allgemeine Parole der Nationalsozialisten war: ´Burgfrieden!`. Jetzt keinen weiteren Kulturkampf zwischen nationalsozialistischer Weltanschauung und Christentum... Häufig heißt es dann: Das machen wir alles nach dem Krieg, nach dem siegreichen Krieg natürlich."

Gardei: "Das große Ziel, das Weihnachtsfest völlig zu entchristlichen ist nicht gelungen, dazu waren die meisten Menschen doch zu kirchlich verankert. 95 Prozent der Bevölkerung gehörte einer der großen Kirchen an, also 1933 zu Beginn der Naziherrschaft, aber auch zu Ende, so dass das einfach zu weit ging, das Weihnachtsfest nur noch auf das germanische Brauchtum zu beschränken."

Wobei an dieser Stelle deutlich gesagt sein muss, dass sowohl Katholiken wie Protestanten Hitler größtenteils unterstützten. Die aus der protestantischen Kirche hervor gegangenen "Deutschen Christen" gar erhoben die Verbindung von Christentum und Nationalsozialismus zu ihrem Programm. Selbst Anhänger der "Bekennenden Kirche" zogen vielfach widerstandslos in den Krieg und opponierten nicht gegen die Judenverfolgung. Dennoch: Nach der Niederlage bei Stalingrad im Winter 1942/43 und dem Stagnieren an den übrigen Fronten, keimten bei der Bevölkerung Zweifel am Sieg. Zugleich schwand die Bereitschaft, dem traditionellen christlichen Glauben komplett abzuschwören, sagt Historiker Gailus.

"Ein, zwei Jahre vor Kriegsende gibt es so einen Wandel in diesem religiösen oder kulturellen Kampf zwischen NS-Weltanschauung und Christentum, dass die Nationalsozialisten ja fast kapitulieren und einsehen: Wir sind nicht so weit, wir haben das Volk im Innersten nicht gewonnen, als dass wir an die Stelle der christlichen Traditionen und Feiern jetzt schon unsere eigenen setzen könnten. Das ist auch ein Thema, was noch nicht so gut untersucht ist... und so gesehen kann man auch sagen, die Versuche der Neuprägung oder Umprägung des Weihnachtsfests als Julfest, die schrumpfen und kollabieren in der Kriegszeit. Als alles anfängt, in Trümmer zu fallen, da geht natürlich die ganze nationalsozialistische Utopie dann allmählich unter."

Und heute? Finden sich Relikte des Nazi-Brauchtums in unserem Weihnachtsfest? Kaum, sagen Gailus, Faber und Gardei übereinstimmend. Der entchristlichte Text des alten schweizer Sternsingerliedes "Es ist für uns eine Zeit angekommen", hat sich durchgesetzt. "Hohe Nacht der klaren Sterne" wird hier und dort noch gesungen, auch auf einer 2013 wieder aufgelegten Platte des Sängers Heino findet sich das Lied. Aber:

Gailus: "Der Nationalsozialismus war sehr kurz. Der wollte eigentlich als Utopie auch eine neue Religion sein. Aber in zwölf Jahren schafft man keinen neuen Glauben..."

Gardei: "Ich glaube, dass der Mensch solche Rituale braucht. Und ein Fest, das Jahrhunderte lang als Tradition verankert ist, das kann man nicht einfach abschaffen."

Source: Nazi-Propaganda - Weihnachten unter dem Hakenkreuz

I try to translate only this now:

Zitat Viktor Klemperer: (Bd. 1/ S. 449)
"Gestern zum erstenmal im dritten Reich ist die Weihnachtsbetrachtung der Zeitung gänzlich dechristianisiert. Großdeutsche Weihnacht – der deutschen Seele die Neugeburt des Lichtes, die Auferstehung des deutschen Reiches bedeutend. Der Jude Jesus und alles Geistliche und allgemein Menschliche ausgeschaltet. ..."

December, 25th 1938 wrote Viktor Klemperer (Book 1/Page 449):
Yesterday the first time in the Third Empire the views on Christmas of the newspaper were completly dischristianized. Great-German-Christmas - for the germaniced soul the new birth of the light in sense of a rebirth of the german empire. Completly switched off everything what had to do with the Jew Jesus or with spirituality and humanity in a wider sense. ...

 

[zaangalewa]

... Stonehenge man and others knew the earth was round by studying the sun, moon and stars.

Besides that Christians in the time of Columbus knew that the world is a globe, because Aristotle said so - what's the source for this idea? What do you know about the ideas of the people who builded stone henge?

 

[zaangalewa]

... Hitler was a Catholic.

But not 1.4 billion Catholics are a Hitler - specially not the polish Catholics. So what do you say really if you say so? I could imagine what you say sounds in the ears of a polish Catholic like: '"To be a racist or not to be" is his question - so he decides to be a racist on his own'

At least the German people he led were.

There was only one free not manipulated election where the Nazis won about 1/3 of all votes. In the catholic areas of Germany and in Berlin Hitler had less voters in percentage of the population than in all other regions of Germany.

u'll find atheism often gets confused with anti religious regimes. Considering the dicks Christians were could you blame them?

If I see it in the right way then you expressed in this last sentence a form of hate against Christians. Who teached you to hate Christians, specially Catholics? ¿Stalin?, ¿Mao? or even ¿Hitler? himselve? Lots of new Nazis for example try to call Jews 'Nazis' because they seem to enjoy it if Jews grow angry in such a case.

 

[zaangalewa]

If ever a theist stumps you, come here and post what they said. There isn't one argument for God that doesn't come without some fatal flaw.

Today I was having breakfast and listening to some stupid hillbillies talking about abortion and what the bible says. Then it hits me just how far gone theists are. Where would I even begin with this woman? Doesn't she realize men wrote that book? Why do I care what guys 1500 years ago wrote about a guy 2000 years ago? Imagine if people 1500 years ago could come know what we know now. Do you think people today would swallow such stories? Actually 200 years ago a large segment of us swallowed the Joseph Smith story and Arabs swallow the Mohammad experience.

You're all swallowing a 2000 or 7000 year old story if you count the founders of our lie the Jews. Moses is a myth. Let's stop this nonsense. It's holding us back.

I don't believe what they said happened happened 2000 years ago. So stop telling me what your story book says. We don't buy it! So what other reasons do you think "we are the only animals on this planet that God made in his image"

That is what the woman in the restaurant said. What possibly would make her believe this? A 2000 year old story? Imagine how much smarter we are today than we were 2000 years ago. I really hope we aren't as dumb as we are now 2000 years from now

The people of 3000 years ago from the Bible knew that there was mountains and valleys deep in the ocean floor. They knew that the earth was round. How could ancient men know that way back then?

First, we didn't know the earth was round 3000 years ago.

Second, watch the cosmos. They explain how throughout history humans have discovered things like the earth is moving not in a fixed position and each time the churches and rulers stifled this knowledge. Even back during Plato's day, just before Christianity, they discovered science and math but they held it all back from the masses. Why? To keep us dumb.

They rather just keep feeding you a big lie and control you.

That was the whole point of what I was saying.
They did not know that the Earth was round, suspended in space and there were mountains and valleys in the deep ocean. The Bible tells us that.
It means God guided the men who wrote the Bible because ancient man knew nothing about the above.
Man made religion had different things holding up the Earth - turtle, atlas(human), the bible says it is suspending in space.

Stonehenge man and others knew the earth was round by studying the sun, moon and stars.

Christians didn't need all that. They already knew 2000 years ago. So why 500 years ago did the Catholic church say it was blasphemy when Giordano Bruno said stars were other distant suns and the church said it was harasy. They thought we were the center and everything revolved around us. Christianity has been so heavily altered edited redacted re interpreted etc

Giordano Bruno? ... One moment please. I remember only Konstantin Wecker in this context and he was a drug addict when he made the song "Hexeneinmaleins". Can be he tried to damn what was able to help him. Let me take a look. ... maybe ... maybe not ... I don't know now ... but indeed: The execution of Giordano Bruno was a judical error of the year 1600. Konstantin was not wrong to attack us.

But nevertheless this was anyway a very dangerous time for millions of people. A short time after his death the cruel 30-years-war will start (1618-1648) - and as far as I know, this was the very first time in history a war was solved and not wan or lost. Giordano Bruno was by the way wrong. He postulated an universe without begin and without creation. But his pantheism is for me personally not astonishing, because the word of god is everywhere in the creation - his word is the creation itselve. So I don't think anything exists without his spirit and I agree if he says "We are the universe". Maybe better to say: "Still we are the universe - as long as we are here - soon we will be dust ... and then we will awake in the arms of our father, hopefully."

 

[sealybobo]

... Hitler was a Catholic.

But not 1.4 billion Catholics are a Hitler - specially not the polish Catholics. So what do you say really if you say so? I could imagine what you say sounds in the ears of a polish Catholic like: '"To be a racist or not to be" is his question - so he decides to be a racist on his own'

At least the German people he led were.

There was only one free not manipulated election where the Nazis won about 1/3 of all votes. In the catholic areas of Germany and in Berlin Hitler had less voters in percentage of the population than in all other regions of Germany.

u'll find atheism often gets confused with anti religious regimes. Considering the dicks Christians were could you blame them?

If I see it in the right way then you expressed in this last sentence a form of hate against Christians. Who teached you to hate Christians, specially Catholics? ¿Stalin?, ¿Mao? or even ¿Hitler? himselve? Lots of new Nazis for example try to call Jews 'Nazis' because they seem to enjoy it if Jews grow angry in such a case.

Who taught me to dislike Christians? Christians!

 

[zaangalewa]

... Hitler was a Catholic.

But not 1.4 billion Catholics are a Hitler - specially not the polish Catholics. So what do you say really if you say so? I could imagine what you say sounds in the ears of a polish Catholic like: '"To be a racist or not to be" is his question - so he decides to be a racist on his own'

At least the German people he led were.

There was only one free not manipulated election where the Nazis won about 1/3 of all votes. In the catholic areas of Germany and in Berlin Hitler had less voters in percentage of the population than in all other regions of Germany.

u'll find atheism often gets confused with anti religious regimes. Considering the dicks Christians were could you blame them?

If I see it in the right way then you expressed in this last sentence a form of hate against Christians. Who teached you to hate Christians, specially Catholics? ¿Stalin?, ¿Mao? or even ¿Hitler? himselve? Lots of new Nazis for example try to call Jews 'Nazis' because they seem to enjoy it if Jews grow angry in such a case.

Who taught me to dislike Christians? Christians!