BDS and "The Color Purple."

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Article 25 of the Mandate excludes Transjordan from British Mandate Palestine.

 

[toastman]

Then explain the maps above Sherri....

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Irrelevant.
The original British mandate included Transjordan

This is NOT up for debate .. End of story ! Jeez !!

If true, then you will produce that Mandate so we can all read it. Where is that Mandate you claim exists?

 

[toastman]

I did earlier.
Like you always say, I cannot help the blind see !

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Then explain the maps above Sherri....

I do not have to explain Wikipedia maps, they are not my source.

 

[toastman]

Post #71 by Rocco Sherri. Read it. You need to stop lying. IT gets you nowhere !

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

I did earlier.
Like you always say, I cannot help the blind see !

Where is it? We cannot see something that does not exist.

 

[toastman]

Saying the Original Mandate didn't include Tranjordan is like saying the sky isn't blue lol

 

[toastman]

I did earlier.
Like you always say, I cannot help the blind see !

Where is it? We cannot see something that does not exist.

Post #71

 

[Roudy]

You want maps? I got maps for ya!

http://www.users.cloud9.net/~recross/israel-watch/images/aa_304.jpg

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

POST 71 references no prior Mandates for British Mandate Palestine.

 

[toastman]

You have yet to make any comments regarding the maps that Roudy has posted.

 

[RoccoR]

SherriMunnerlyn,

I can lead you to the water, but I can't make you drink.

MANDATE FOR PALESTINE________LEAGUE OF NATIONS*MANDATE FOR PALESTINE. Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations (12 August 1922). That is the official League of Nations Mandate For Palestine and it does not include Transjordan. There was no prior Mandate approved that included Transjordan and Palestine. Jordan was set apart to be a separate nation in 1916 and was not a part of British Mandate Palestine. It was administered separately from the beginning.

(COMMENT)

In addition to the references, supra (Posting #71), which includes Jordanian Official History, I bring your attention to the Treaty.

Trans-Jordan was part of the Ottoman Empire.

ARTICLE 95.

The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, to a Mandatory to be selected by the said Powers. The Mandatory will be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2, 1917, by the British Government, and adopted by the other Allied Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

The Mandatory undertakes to appoint as soon as possible a special Commission to study and regulate all questions and claims relating to the different religious communities. In the composition of this Commission the religious interests concerned will be taken into account. The Chairman of the Commission will be appointed by the Council of the League of Nations.

ARTICLE 96.

The terms of the mandates in respect of the above territories will be formulated by the Principal Allied Powers and submitted to the Council of the League of Nations for approval.

SOURCE: Sevres Treaty: Part III

The Mandate included all of Trans-Jordan (JORDANIA). But to be fair, there were some later limitations placed on the Mandatory, relative to Trans-Jordan. Special promises were made.

Following a memorandum presented by His Majesty's Government in September to the League of Nations, a resolution was passed by the Council of the League to exclude Transjordan from the Articles of the Mandate which concern the Holy Places and the measures to be taken in concert with the Jewish Agency for the establishment of a Jewish National Home.

The Order in Council also contains a provision that it shall not apply to the Transjordan territory.

SOURCE: Mandate for Palestine - Report of the Mandatory to the LoN - UK report (31 December 1922)

Trans-Jordan was not to be considered when apportioning land for the Jewish National Home, or for immigration purposes by the Jewish Agency. And Jerusalem was to become a special case. Additionally this meant that, Trans-Jordan was exempt from Article 25 of the Mandate.

In the very First Annual Report by the Mandatory to the League of Nations, you will note that the following (very last item):

AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE GOVERNMENT OF PALESTINE AND
SYRIA IN RESPECT OF CUSTOMS REGULATIONS ON FOREIGN
GOODS IN TRANSIT TO SYRIA VIA PALESTINE, AND TO
PALESTINE VIA SYRIA​

4. In this agreement the term "Palestine" shall include Transjordania, and the Government of Syria agrees to establish bonded stores in Damascus to deal with goods breaking bulk in that town in transit for Transjordania.

SOURCE: Mandate for Palestine - Report of the Mandatory to the LoN (31 December 1923)

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

SherriMunnerlyn,

I can lead you to the water, but I can't make you drink.

MANDATE FOR PALESTINE________LEAGUE OF NATIONS*MANDATE FOR PALESTINE. Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations (12 August 1922). That is the official League of Nations Mandate For Palestine and it does not include Transjordan. There was no prior Mandate approved that included Transjordan and Palestine. Jordan was set apart to be a separate nation in 1916 and was not a part of British Mandate Palestine. It was administered separately from the beginning.

(COMMENT)

In addition to the references, supra (Posting #71), which includes Jordanian Official History, I bring your attention to the Treaty.

Trans-Jordan was part of the Ottoman Empire.

ARTICLE 95.

The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, to a Mandatory to be selected by the said Powers. The Mandatory will be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2, 1917, by the British Government, and adopted by the other Allied Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

The Mandatory undertakes to appoint as soon as possible a special Commission to study and regulate all questions and claims relating to the different religious communities. In the composition of this Commission the religious interests concerned will be taken into account. The Chairman of the Commission will be appointed by the Council of the League of Nations.

ARTICLE 96.

The terms of the mandates in respect of the above territories will be formulated by the Principal Allied Powers and submitted to the Council of the League of Nations for approval.

SOURCE: Sevres Treaty: Part III

The Mandate included all of Trans-Jordan (JORDANIA). But to be fair, there were some later limitations placed on the Mandatory, relative to Trans-Jordan. Special promises were made.

Following a memorandum presented by His Majesty's Government in September to the League of Nations, a resolution was passed by the Council of the League to exclude Transjordan from the Articles of the Mandate which concern the Holy Places and the measures to be taken in concert with the Jewish Agency for the establishment of a Jewish National Home.

The Order in Council also contains a provision that it shall not apply to the Transjordan territory.

SOURCE: Mandate for Palestine - Report of the Mandatory to the LoN - UK report (31 December 1922)

Trans-Jordan was not to be considered when apportioning land for the Jewish National Home, or for immigration purposes by the Jewish Agency. And Jerusalem was to become a special case. Additionally this meant that, Trans-Jordan was exempt from Article 25 of the Mandate.

In the very First Annual Report by the Mandatory to the League of Nations, you will note that the following (very last item):

AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE GOVERNMENT OF PALESTINE AND
SYRIA IN RESPECT OF CUSTOMS REGULATIONS ON FOREIGN
GOODS IN TRANSIT TO SYRIA VIA PALESTINE, AND TO
PALESTINE VIA SYRIA​

4. In this agreement the term "Palestine" shall include Transjordania, and the Government of Syria agrees to establish bonded stores in Damascus to deal with goods breaking bulk in that town in transit for Transjordania.

SOURCE: Mandate for Palestine - Report of the Mandatory to the LoN (31 December 1923)

Most Respectfully,
R

The fact is The League Of Nations only ultimately set up one Mandate for Palestine and that was in 1922 and by its terms Transjordan was excluded. Those are the facts. The administration of Palestine and Transjordan was handled separately by Great Britian from the very beginning of the Mandate in 1922, the year The League Of Nations adopted the Mandate. Transjordan was not part of Palestine.

 

[RoccoR]

SherriMunnerlyn,

What terms.

SherriMunnerlyn,

I can lead you to the water, but I can't make you drink.

MANDATE FOR PALESTINE________LEAGUE OF NATIONS*MANDATE FOR PALESTINE. Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations (12 August 1922). That is the official League of Nations Mandate For Palestine and it does not include Transjordan. There was no prior Mandate approved that included Transjordan and Palestine. Jordan was set apart to be a separate nation in 1916 and was not a part of British Mandate Palestine. It was administered separately from the beginning.

(COMMENT)

In addition to the references, supra (Posting #71), which includes Jordanian Official History, I bring your attention to the Treaty.

Trans-Jordan was part of the Ottoman Empire.



The Mandate included all of Trans-Jordan (JORDANIA). But to be fair, there were some later limitations placed on the Mandatory, relative to Trans-Jordan. Special promises were made.



Trans-Jordan was not to be considered when apportioning land for the Jewish National Home, or for immigration purposes by the Jewish Agency. And Jerusalem was to become a special case. Additionally this meant that, Trans-Jordan was exempt from Article 25 of the Mandate.

In the very First Annual Report by the Mandatory to the League of Nations, you will note that the following (very last item):

AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE GOVERNMENT OF PALESTINE AND
SYRIA IN RESPECT OF CUSTOMS REGULATIONS ON FOREIGN
GOODS IN TRANSIT TO SYRIA VIA PALESTINE, AND TO
PALESTINE VIA SYRIA​

4. In this agreement the term "Palestine" shall include Transjordania, and the Government of Syria agrees to establish bonded stores in Damascus to deal with goods breaking bulk in that town in transit for Transjordania.

SOURCE: Mandate for Palestine - Report of the Mandatory to the LoN (31 December 1923)

Most Respectfully,
R

The fact is The League Of Nations only ultimately set up one Mandate for Palestine and that was in 1922 and by its terms Transjordan was excluded. Those are the facts. The administration of Palestine and Transjordan was handled separately by Great Britian from the very beginning of the Mandate in 1922, the year The League Of Nations adopted the Mandate. Transjordan was not part of Palestine.

(COMMENT)

What document says Trans-Jordan was not included? I've just showed you several which specifically says it was included. What can you show that excludes it?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

The administration of Palestine and Transjordan was separate from the time the time the Mandate was adopted forward. Show me anytime this was not true.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

When we look at the history of Palestine, a history that goes back to the time of Herodotus, if not further, it becomes clear its borders have been in constant change. There were times from references of Greek writers that they even used the word to describe a region that included Syria. And the word Palestine came from the word Philistine and at times the region referred to a much smaller region along the coast. SInce the Mandate was approved by The League of Nations in 1922, Transjordan was carved out of Palestine and we have two distinct regions, Palestine and Transjordan. While some may argue this was an artificial division, much of the ME was carved up in this way by the West after the breakup of the Ottoman Empire. Certain families were rewarded by the West and given kingdoms in what were largely Western created nations like Iraq and Jordan. What is funny is watching Zionist settlers from the West argue here
Palestine was stolen from them, while indigenous Palestinians make no such argument.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

"Palestine*(Arabic:*فلسطين**Filasṭīn,*Falasṭīn,*Filisṭīn;*Greek:*Παλαιστίνη,*Palaistinē;*Latinalaestina;*Hebrew: פלשתינה*Palestina) is a conventional name, among others, for the geographic region in Western Asia between the*Mediterranean Sea*and the*Jordan River, and various adjoining lands.[1][2][3][4][5][6]*The name was used by*Ancient Greek*writers, and was later used for the Roman province*Syria Palaestina, the Byzantine*Palaestina Prima*and the Umayyad and Abbasid province of*Jund Filastin. The region is also known as the*Land of Israel(Hebrew: ארץ־ישראל*Eretz-Yisra'el),[7]*the*Holy Land, the*Southern Levant,[8]Cisjordan, and historically has been known by other names including*Canaan,*Southern Syria*and*Jerusalem.Situated at a strategic location between*Egypt,*Syria*and*Arabia, and the birthplace of*Judaismand*Christianity, the region has a long and tumultuous history as a crossroads for religion, culture, commerce, and politics. The region has been controlled by numerous different peoples, including*Ancient Egyptians,*Canaanites,*Israelites,*Assyrians,*Babylonians,*Persians,*Ancient Greeks,*Romans,*Byzantines, the*Sunni*Arab Caliphates, the*Shia*Fatimid Caliphate,*Crusaders,Ayyubids,*Mameluks,*Ottomans, the*British*and modern*Israelis*and*Palestinians.". Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[RoccoR]

SherriMunnerlyn;

Using your source from another thread.

The administration of Palestine and Transjordan was separate from the time the time the Mandate was adopted forward. Show me anytime this was not true.

SherriMunnerly, et al,

Oddly enough, I've studied this book.

"The area of Palestine under British administration, excluding Trans- jordania, is something over 9,000 square miles, with an estimated population (1922) of about 754,500.
Full text of "The handbook of Palestine; edited by Harry Charles Luke and Edward Keith-Roach. With an introd. by Herbert Samuel"

(COINCIDENCE)

Just by coincidence, at the very beginning of this book it says:

§ I. Introductory p

Palestine is bounded on the north by the French sphere of Syria, on the west by the Mediterranean, on the south by Egyptian and Hejaz territory, the boundary running from
a point west of Rafa on the Mediterranean to east of Taba at the head of the Gulf of Akaba, and then north-east. On the east is the territory of Trans-jordania, which is included in the area of the Palestine Mandate.

v/r
R

 

[toastman]

The administration of Palestine and Transjordan was separate from the time the time the Mandate was adopted forward. Show me anytime this was not true.

He asked you for references concerning your claim that Transjordan wasn't part of the original Mandate. He provided a source. All you are doing is giving your opinion.

Once again Sherri, the fact that Transjordan was part of the original Mandate is NOT UP FOR DEBATE ...

Since you can't comprehend the what Rocco has posted, this should make it easier for you:

https://www.google.ca/search?q=orig...urce=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=8HW0UcHUJ-Tq0wH9q4H4AQ