Ben Carson refers to slaves as "immigrants"

[Ame®icano]

FLASHBACK: Like Ben Carson, Obama Also Said Slaves Were Immigrants

"It wasn't always easy for new immigrants. Certainly, it wasn't easy for those of African heritage who had not come here voluntarily and yet in their own way were immigrants themselves. There was discrimination and hardship and poverty. But, like you, they no doubt found inspiration in all those who had come before them. And they were able to muster faith that, here in America, they might build a better life and give their children something more."


ooooh, I look forward to the mental gymnastics to explain why that is "different"!

It's only different to people who worship Obabble and hate Carson for daring to be a conservative.

There are few others... one of them didn't use grants for foreign students to get thru college and has his college transcripts released.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

FLASHBACK: Like Ben Carson, Obama Also Said Slaves Were Immigrants

. When is the left gonna realize that Dr Carson is much, much smarter than them?!

 

[hjmick]

Calling slaves "immigrants" is a euphemism. There's a difference between those who chose to come here and those who were kidnapped and brought here. A vast difference.

Okay...

What's the difference between these two statements?

"So life in America was not always easy. It wasn't always easy for new immigrants. Certainly, it wasn't easy for those of African heritage who had not come here voluntarily and yet in their own way were immigrants themselves. There was discrimination and hardship and poverty. But, like you, they no doubt found inspiration in all those who had come before them. And they were able to muster faith that, here in America, they might build a better life and give their children something more."

and...

"That's what America is about, a land of dreams and opportunity. There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less. But they too had a dream that one day their sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, great-grandsons, great-granddaughters, might pursue prosperity and happiness in this land."

How is one any worse than the other?

 

[longknife]

Why does nobody talk about the white slaves who were brought here in the form of indenturship? They were taken from debtor prisons and shipped here in deplorable conditions to work under conditions similar to slavery and no one seems to care about them?

 

[Ame®icano]

Why does nobody talk about the white slaves who were brought here in the form of indenturship? They were taken from debtor prisons and shipped here in deplorable conditions to work under conditions similar to slavery and no one seems to care about them?

They were "privileged" slaves.

 

[Asclepias]

is ben carson really black? (i, like colbert, don't see race)

Samuel L. Jackson, NAACP Criticize Ben Carson for Deeming Slaves as "Immigrants"

What Jackson's point? Would he rather be back in Boongala Boongala Africa? He should be thankful his ancestors were slaves.

There it is!!!!!!! "He should be thankful his ancestors were slaves." Ding! Ding! Ding! We've got a Winnah!

They should be. What your point? Would you rather be back in Africa right now? However your ancestors got here...be thankful that they did and stop crying about your sheltered little life in the USA 2017.

I would much rather be back in Africa. Cant wait till I can cut bait.

 

[Asclepias]

FLASHBACK: Like Ben Carson, Obama Also Said Slaves Were Immigrants

No dummy. He preference his comment with "in their own way". That changes the entire meaning even if you are too dumb to understand the difference. However, I knew the moment he said it that it would be used by some retard to excuse someone actually claiming the enslaved were immigrants.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Why does nobody talk about the white slaves who were brought here in the form of indenturship? They were taken from debtor prisons and shipped here in deplorable conditions to work under conditions similar to slavery and no one seems to care about them?

Indentured servitude was not slavery as the indentured servant entered his status voluntarily.

The so-called indentured Irish who were forced into that status, were not indentured servants but slaves like any other chattel. Oliver Cromwell made a fortune selling over 100,000 Irish children to slavery in the Caribbean.

 

[JimBowie1958]

The slaves that time forgot

Most people have heard of the Great Famine, which reduced the population of Ireland by around 25%.
That pales in comparison to the disaster that England inflicted upon Ireland between 1641 and 1652, when the population of Ireland fell from 1,466,000 to 616,000.

Then things got worse....

What to do with the Irish?

From the Tudor reconquest of Ireland until Irish Independence in 1921, the English puzzled over the problem of what to do with all those Irish people.
They were the wrong religion. They spoke the wrong language. But the big problem was that there were just too many of them.

The English had been practicing a slow genocide against the Irish since Queen Elizabeth, but the Irish bred too fast and were tough to kill. On the other side of the Atlantic, there was a chronic labor shortage (because the local natives tended to die out too quickly in slavery conditions).
Putting two and two together, King James I started sending Irish slaves to the new world.
The first recorded sale of Irish slaves was to a settlement in the Amazon in 1612, seven years before the first African slaves arrived in Jamestown.

The Proclamation of 1625 by James II made it official policy that all Irish political prisoners be transported to the West Indies and sold to English planters. Soon Irish slaves were the majority of slaves in the English colonies.....

In 1629 a large group of Irish men and women were sent to Guiana, and by 1632, Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat in the West Indies. By 1637 a census showed that 69% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves, which records show was a cause of concern to the English planters. But there were not enough political prisoners to supply the demand, so every petty infraction carried a sentence of transporting, and slaver gangs combed the country sides to kidnap enough people to fill out their quotas. The slavers were so full of zest that they sometimes grabbed non-Irishmen. On March 25, 1659, a petition was received in London claiming that 72 Englishmen were wrongly sold as slaves in Barbados, along with 200 Frenchmen and 7-8,000 Scots.
So many Irish slaves were sent to Barbados, between 12,000 and 60,000, that the term "barbadosed" began to be used.
By the 1630's, Ireland was the primary source of the English slave trade.

And then disaster struck.

Cromwell
After Oliver Cromwell defeated the royalists in the English Civil War, he turned to Ireland, who had allied themselves with the defeated royalists. What happened next could be considered genocide.
The famine (caused by the English intentionally destroying foodstocks) and plague that followed Cromwell's massacres reduced the population of Ireland to around 40%.

And then Cromwell got really nasty.
Anyone implicated in the rebellion had their land confiscated and was sold into slavery in the West Indies. Even catholic landowners who hadn't taken part of the rebellion had their land confiscated.
Catholicism was outlawed and catholic priests were executed when found.
To top it off, he ordered the ethnic cleansing of Ireland east of Shannon in 1652. Soldiers were encouraged to kill any Irish who refused to relocate.....

As for the Irish slaves, Cromwell specifically targeted Irish children.

“During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. In this decade, 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia. Another 30,000 Irish men and women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. In 1656, [Oliver] Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers.” For some reason, history likes to call these Irish slaves as 'indentured servants'. As if they were somehow considered better than African slaves. This can be considered an attempt at whitewashing the history of the Irish slave trade.
There does exist indentured servitude where two parties sign a contract for a limited amount of time. This is not what happened to the Irish from 1625 onward. They were sold as slaves, pure and simple.​

 

[JoeMoma]

More false outrage. Another liberal nothing burger.

 

[Asclepias]

More false outrage. Another liberal nothing burger.

Yeah the outrage is over. Carson backtracked and fixed his idiotic statement.

 

[Bush92]

is ben carson really black? (i, like colbert, don't see race)

Samuel L. Jackson, NAACP Criticize Ben Carson for Deeming Slaves as "Immigrants"

What Jackson's point? Would he rather be back in Boongala Boongala Africa? He should be thankful his ancestors were slaves.

There it is!!!!!!! "He should be thankful his ancestors were slaves." Ding! Ding! Ding! We've got a Winnah!

They should be. What your point? Would you rather be back in Africa right now? However your ancestors got here...be thankful that they did and stop crying about your sheltered little life in the USA 2017.

I would much rather be back in Africa. Cant wait till I can cut bait.

Let me provide the knife Asslips.

 

[Asclepias]

is ben carson really black? (i, like colbert, don't see race)

Samuel L. Jackson, NAACP Criticize Ben Carson for Deeming Slaves as "Immigrants"

What Jackson's point? Would he rather be back in Boongala Boongala Africa? He should be thankful his ancestors were slaves.

There it is!!!!!!! "He should be thankful his ancestors were slaves." Ding! Ding! Ding! We've got a Winnah!

They should be. What your point? Would you rather be back in Africa right now? However your ancestors got here...be thankful that they did and stop crying about your sheltered little life in the USA 2017.

I would much rather be back in Africa. Cant wait till I can cut bait.

Let me provide the knife Asslips.

As a xxxx xxxxx you would be dumb for doing that.


Moderator Note: Please refrain from using racial slurs.

 

[AsianTrumpSupporter]

 

[JQPublic1]

The definition of immigrant seems to boggle the hysterical minds of liberals. Immigrant- coming from another place of residence

Er...yeah.... usually WILLINGLY. Carson is as bat shit crazy as his boss.

Yep. Usually. NOt always, but usually.

In the case of slaves, it was the UNusual one.

So stop pretending that you don't know that.

Dumbass, slaves were not immigrants.

 

[JQPublic1]

You would think that the term "immigrant" would infer a person acting on their own, without coercion.

But no. Now that words really no longer mean anything, "immigrant" can be pretty much anything.

Holy crap, this just continues to get worse.
.

From wikipedia.

Forced displacement - Wikipedia


"Forced displacement or forced migration is the coerced movement of a person or persons away from their home or home region and it often connotes violent coercion. "


"

• Slavery: History's greatest forced migration was the Middle Passage of the Atlantic slave trade during the 15th through the 19th centuries. Of the 20 million Africans captured for the trade, half died in their forced march to the African coast, and another ten to twenty percent died on slave ships carrying them from Africa to the Americas.[11]"

Forced immigrants were always a part of the word Immigrant.


YOu are being played.

Okay, they're immigrants, I'm with ya.
.

Never use Wikipedia as a source unless it is absolutely necessary. Anyone can edit definitions, etc..

Now, getting back to migration vs immigration. You must learn to distinguish between the two terms before you ca use the properly:

Differences in meaning

• While immigration refers to relocation to a country, migration refers to the movement from one region to another - either within a country or across national borders. For example,
  • There was a migration of Jews from Europe to various parts of the world.
  • Albert Einstein immigrated to the United States.
  • Kashmiri pundits are being forced to migrate from Kashmir to other parts of India.
• While immigration usually refers to an individual or a family, migration refers to the movement of a much larger population.
• While immigration refers to people, the word migration can also be used in the context of animals and birds.

Immigration vs Migration - Difference and Comparison | Diffen


Looking at this definition "forced migration" would describe what happened to slaves shipped to the Americas and elsewhere. The African diaspora came about due to forced migration, not forced immigration. Choice, it seems, is intrinsic to immigration since immigrants are defined as individuals or families. Migrants are defined as uprooted populations moving due to circumstances beyond their control.

 

[jknowgood]

is ben carson really black? (i, like colbert, don't see race)

Samuel L. Jackson, NAACP Criticize Ben Carson for Deeming Slaves as "Immigrants"

Carson is a fuckin idiot and completely removed from his linage and brains

Why don't you guys look at what he actually was saying instead of mincing someones words? Could he have used a better definition? I guess so, because there are people looking for any reason to skew someone else over race, no matter what their intentions were.

Excuses, excuses....this isn't the first time this moron has come out with stupid shit to say else he'd get a pass.....Carson is just stupid and out of touch with reality.....he needs to take his black ass back to medicine and pray he doesn't fuck it up after being in politics for so long.

You do realize Obama said the same thing? So thanks for admitting he is a dumb mother fucker too.

 

[jknowgood]

The definition of immigrant seems to boggle the hysterical minds of liberals. Immigrant- coming from another place of residence

Er...yeah.... usually WILLINGLY. Carson is as bat shit crazy as his boss.

Yep. Usually. NOt always, but usually.

In the case of slaves, it was the UNusual one.

So stop pretending that you don't know that.

Dumbass, slaves were not immigrants.

Tell Obama that, he said the same thing.

 

[Weatherman2020]

is ben carson really black? (i, like colbert, don't see race)

Samuel L. Jackson, NAACP Criticize Ben Carson for Deeming Slaves as "Immigrants"

So where was your outrage then?
Obama also referred to slaves as 'immigrants'

 

[Weatherman2020]

Calling slaves "immigrants" is a euphemism. There's a difference between those who chose to come here and those who were kidnapped and brought here. A vast difference.

Obama also referred to slaves as 'immigrants'