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My healthcare has always been very good. My insurance company has always taken people with existing conditions and I've never had to wait in the emergency room.
You can find good healthcare if you take time to research it. People need to realize that they can make their lives good all by themselves. It just takes a little effort.
yokie dokie
I downloaded the full report and will study it first. Others can do likewise:
http://www.commonwealthfund.org/~/m...rt/2014/jun/1755_davis_mirror_mirror_2014.pdf
And the overview:
Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, 2014 Update: How the U.S. Health Care System Compares Internationally - The Commonwealth Fund
Important to find out exactly how they conducted the study and if it is kosher before jumping to any personal conclusions. I say this about EVERY study, without exception.
Will get back with you on this once I have digested the study.
Kosher did the study we find?
[MENTION=46168]Statistikhengst[/MENTION]
The study was conducted by
The Commonwealth Fund is a private foundation that promotes a high performance health care system providing better access, improved quality, and greater efficiency. The Funds work focuses particularly on societys most vulnerable, including low-income people, the uninsured, minority Americans, young children, and elderly adults.
The Fund carries out this mandate by supporting independent research on health care issues and making grants to improve health care practice and policy. An international program in health policy is designed to stimulate innovative policies and practices in the United States and other industrialized countries.
I wonder if stimulating innovative policies and practices requires more public funding.....
hmmmmmmm?
....would ranking the USA below any other nation would stimulate more public funding? Would more public funding grow, or shrink government?
I'm not certain why the Commonwealth Fund doesn't simply call the report: The USA: A Nation that should spend more money on healthcare because we compared them with UK, a much smaller nation with completely different demographics and found that the UK spends LESS per capita!!!
In my personal opinion, healthcare, like the defense of our nation, should not be a "for profit" industry. Insurance companies are not looking out for the interest of their consumers, of the patients, of Americans...they look out only for their shareholders. That amounts, again in my personal opinion, to profiteering.
We the People get to decide whether we want affordable healthcare as a right. That is what forming a more perfect union is all about. We the People decide our own destiny though a government of the people and by the people.
So you are entitled to your opinion but you alone don't get to decide what is and isn't a right that We the People can benefit from.
I downloaded the full report and will study it first. Others can do likewise:
http://www.commonwealthfund.org/~/m...rt/2014/jun/1755_davis_mirror_mirror_2014.pdf
And the overview:
Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, 2014 Update: How the U.S. Health Care System Compares Internationally - The Commonwealth Fund
Important to find out exactly how they conducted the study and if it is kosher before jumping to any personal conclusions. I say this about EVERY study, without exception.
Will get back with you on this once I have digested the study.
Kosher did the study we find?
[MENTION=46168]Statistikhengst[/MENTION]
The study was conducted by
The Commonwealth Fund is a private foundation that promotes a high performance health care system providing better access, improved quality, and greater efficiency. The Fund’s work focuses particularly on society’s most vulnerable, including low-income people, the uninsured, minority Americans, young children, and elderly adults.
The Fund carries out this mandate by supporting independent research on health care issues and making grants to improve health care practice and policy. An international program in health policy is designed to stimulate innovative policies and practices in the United States and other industrialized countries.
I wonder if stimulating innovative policies and practices requires more public funding.....
hmmmmmmm?
....would ranking the USA below any other nation would stimulate more public funding? Would more public funding grow, or shrink government?
I'm not certain why the Commonwealth Fund doesn't simply call the report: The USA: A Nation that should spend more money on healthcare because we compared them with UK, a much smaller nation with completely different demographics and found that the UK spends LESS per capita!!!
they are probably JUST the people to do that study since their goal is to see that people DO have health coverage.... not being vested in any particular means of seeing that happens.
Kosher did the study we find?
[MENTION=46168]Statistikhengst[/MENTION]
The study was conducted by
The Commonwealth Fund is a private foundation that promotes a high performance health care system providing better access, improved quality, and greater efficiency. The Fund’s work focuses particularly on society’s most vulnerable, including low-income people, the uninsured, minority Americans, young children, and elderly adults.
The Fund carries out this mandate by supporting independent research on health care issues and making grants to improve health care practice and policy. An international program in health policy is designed to stimulate innovative policies and practices in the United States and other industrialized countries.
I wonder if stimulating innovative policies and practices requires more public funding.....
hmmmmmmm?
....would ranking the USA below any other nation would stimulate more public funding? Would more public funding grow, or shrink government?
I'm not certain why the Commonwealth Fund doesn't simply call the report: The USA: A Nation that should spend more money on healthcare because we compared them with UK, a much smaller nation with completely different demographics and found that the UK spends LESS per capita!!!
they are probably JUST the people to do that study since their goal is to see that people DO have health coverage.... not being vested in any particular means of seeing that happens.
OK, one more time, try to pay attention, read each word slowly and carefully
not having insurance does NOT mean you don't have healthcare. NO ONE in the USA was being denied healthcare before ACA. NO ONE.
There was no crisis in healthcare. It was a made up crisis aimed at ramming more socialism up the asses of american citizens.
It was part of obozo's plan to "fundamentally transform" the USA. You libs just sit there grinning as more and more of your rights and freedoms are taken away. You are too stupid to realize that once they are gone, you can't get them back.
We changed your Pub scam of a system , hater dupes. If you don't like, YOU move, "no compromise, un-American TP GOP"- TIME...Pfffft!!
what do you care how ObamaCare is going to hurt people
I witnessed my 86year old mother's last year of her life under Medicaid being herded like cattle from one place to next, poking prodding and never could find the blood that was leaking into her stomach, transfusions every month and she has no veins so they stuck pic line in her neck until she finally died a miserable death suffering for two weeks from that dirty pic line they forgot to clean...
yea for socialist care
We would have the best Health Care in the entire world if the Feds would get their damn noses out it.
they had their noses out of it.
nutter
Hey dude, who were those regular American citizens that designed the for profit health care system that we now have? Was it you? I wan't consulted? Who was that you know?
Or are you just speaking out your ass when you imply that "us Americans" desire this convoluted for profit system that we have?
insurance companies + doctors +lawyers = bad health care system.
I have no problem letting this happen..
what it measures is ACCESS. if you can't OBTAIN health care, then it doesn't matter how effective, safe, coordinated or patient-centered the care is.
jillian, I'm sorry to have to be the one to break this to you but health care is not a RIGHT in the United States. It never has been and hopefully never will be. Therefore "access" is something that is never likely to be where you want it to be.
See, here in the United States health care is an INDUSTRY. It's a BUSINESS. Therefore, those things which do not make the doctors, clinics, and hospitals money are not going to be offered. I understand that you and many others don't like that idea, so I've got a potential fix to the problem....
Move to Canada or the UK or France, or whichever other country has the system you most prefer and leave us AMERICANS to our own devices.
We would have the best Health Care in the entire world if the Feds would get their damn noses out it.
they had their noses out of it.
Having been in both the American and Canadian systems, I would rather be in the American system.
But if I were poor or lower middle class, I'd rather be in Canada.
Well, I happen to put great store in American exceptionalism and I think we can set up our public/private system better than any other country. Better than Germany, better than Canada. It's just going to take us longer because we're younger.
Five ways the American health care system is literally the worst
The United States comes in dead last in a new, international ranking of health care systems from a top health-care non-profit.
This doesn't mean that we're the worst in the world; there are plenty of less-developed countries that have worse systems than America's. But when the United States is compared against peer countries like France and Canada it does not come out well. It comes out the very worst.
A new Commonwealth Fund report looks at how the United States stacks up against other countries on things like access to doctors and quality of care. It pulls from three separate surveys conducted over the past three years: a 2011 survey of sicker patients, a 2012 survey of doctors and a 2013 survey of adults over 18. It also uses health outcome data from the OECD and World Health Organization. This means it captures the experience of the medical system from the people who use it a lot, those who use it a little and the doctors treating them.
America ranks worst overall
The American health care system came in last both in the overall rankings, which pull together data on 11 specific measures of success for a health care system. This includes metrics like how easily residents can access health care, if that medical care is affordable and if its effective.
There was no measure where the United States came in first place our best ranking was coming in third in the effectiveness of our medicine (more on what this means later).
more at link
Five ways the American health care system is literally the worst - Vox
Sorry to hear about your mother, Stephanie.
But I have to ask the obvious question.
What was stopping you from taking her to specialists and hospitals at your own expense if the "socialist care" was so "inferior" and they couldn't find the problem? There are plenty of excellent doctors and hospitals in the private sector in this nation. Why didn't you take your mother to one of those instead?
I wished I could of
But what was stopping you? Why couldn't you?
We would have the best Health Care in the entire world if the Feds would get their damn noses out it.
they had their noses out of it.
To this day I still have a problem with the concept of a family having to make the choice between the health/life of their child and bankruptcy.
No one in the USA was faced with that choice before ACA, but many could be after ACA.
you dumb libs don't understand what your messiah has shoved up your asses.
Millions of Americans were faced with that and still are...but fewer will because they now have insurance to cover their medical bills.
Medical bankruptcy is unheard of in other developed nations.
Ideology is everything to you, darlin'. It doesn't have to be right as long as it's liberal.
Ezra Klein? A PMSNBC analyst? Got it
yes, we know... he's actually smart so you hate him. and how dare he publish information.
now run along and listen to sarah bawwacuda
I too am very sorry to hear that your mother suffered such treatment...however, the Affordable Care Act is not responsible nor is it "socialist" you do realize don't you? It's private insurance, not "government" care.
The VA is "socialist" and "government care". Care at VA hospitals, when you can get it, is among the best in the country. Care received by VA patients and Medicare patients are consistently rated the best in the US in patient satisfaction surveys.
So Steph, what would you like the option for your Mother on Medicare to have been? What would you like to see done to insure that people like your mother don't suffer under inadequate care?
what I highlighted in red is the crux of socialist medicine. We see it in the VA, and we will experience it under ACA if it is allowed to remain in force.
You get what you vote for. You voted for obama and a dem controlled congress for obozo's first two years-----------you got the worst piece of legislation in our history and we will all suffer from your ignorance.
Unfortunately, the ACA isn't socialist medicine...it's private insurance companies.
The crux for some VA's is Congress's inability to pass funding for them to increase the number of hospitals and doctors needed to care for all the returning victims of Bush's unnecessary wars.
