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P F Tinmore, et al,

Who are the HoAP trying to kid?

Each of the various Jihadist, Insurgent, Terrorist, Rebel Faction, and Asymmetric Fighter have a very similar objective and theme. They each hold that the HoAP should control the entirety of the territory that is West of the Jordan River. That spells the end of the preservation of the JNH.
There are millions of good, honest Palestinians yet you scrape the bottom of the barrel for your posts.
Are you trying to prove a point?

(REFERENCE)

International Convention for the Suppression of the Financing of Terrorism
Signed: 9 December 1999, New York
Entered into force: 10 April 2002
Status: 173 Parties
Full text: Download PDF
  • Requires parties to take steps to prevent and counteract the financing of terrorists, whether direct or indirect, though groups claiming to have charitable, social or cultural goals or which also engage in illicit activities such as drug trafficking or gun running;

  • Commits States to hold those who finance terrorism criminally, civilly or administratively liable for such acts; and

  • Provides for the identification, freezing and seizure of funds allocated for terrorist activities, as well as for the sharing of the forfeited funds with other States on a case-by-case basis. Bank secrecy is no longer adequate justification for refusing to cooperate.
International Convention for the Suppression of Terrorist Bombings
Signed: 15 December 1997, New York
Entered into force: 23 May 2001
Status: 164 Parties
Full text: Download PDF
  • Creates a regime of universal jurisdiction over the unlawful and intentional use of explosives and other lethal devices in, into, or against various defined public places with intent to kill or cause serious bodily injury, or with intent to cause extensive destruction of the public place.
(COMMENT)

Whether it is today, or three years ago, makes no difference. The message is still the same.

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas Praises Jordanian Terrorist
09/20/2016 12:28 PM by Menachem Rephun

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas praised as a “martyr” Tuesday Jordanian terrorist Saeed Amro, who was killed after attempting to stab Israeli police in Jerusalem Friday. Abbas sent a condolence letter to Amro’s family as well.

In the letter, Abbas lauded the 28-year-old Amro as “a martyr who watered the pure earth of Palestine with his blood.”

According to Ynet, Abbas wrote that “God would wrap the martyr in his mercy, and that he will dwell in paradise.”

'Moderate' Palestinian President Abbas Praises Dead Terrorists as 'Martyrs' · 3y
JOHN ROSSOMANDO14 Jan 2013

“We must remember the pioneers, the Grand Mufti of Palestine Hajj Muhammad Amin Al-Husseini as well as Ahmad Al-Shukeiri, the founder of the PLO,”Abbas said according ... said Jonathan Schanzer, vice president for research with the Foundation ...


Most Respectfully,
R
OK, so?
Interesting opinions.

So... interesting opinions from uninteresting Islamic terrorists.


Official PA daily: Terrorist stabber “died as a Martyr” after Israel “claimed” that he had stabbed a soldier - Glorifying terrorists and terror | PMW

Official PA daily: Terrorist stabber “died as a Martyr” after Israel “claimed” that he had stabbed a soldier

Headline: “Hatem Al-Shaloudi – the third Martyr in Hebron within 24 hours”
“Hatem Abd Al-Hafiz Abd Al-Rahim Al-Shaloudi, a 26-year-old young man, died as a Martyr (Shahid) yesterday morning [Sept. 17, 2016] [when he] was shot by the occupation forces next to the Jabel Al-Rahma Mosque, the entrance to the Tel Rumeida neighborhood in the center of Hebron. Local sources and witnesses conveyed that the occupation soldiers shot a round of bullets towards the Martyr and prevented Red Crescent teams from reaching the site… The occupation army claimed, as usual, that young Al-Shaloudi stabbed a soldier at Tel Rumeida… Martyr Al-Shaloudi is the fourth Martyr in less than 24 hours.”




The above sickness is what passes for Arab-Moslem society and its glorification of hate and self-destruction.
The occupation army claimed, as usual, that young Al-Shaloudi stabbed a soldier at Tel Rumeida

This guy is full of shit.

Attacking foreign troops is not terrorism.






So the hamas militia made the claim did they as they are the occupying army if you believe international laws of 1917, 1923, 1925 and 1949.

Nice of you to admit that the Israeli's are not terrorists when they defend against foreign troops/militia with no legal right to be in Jewish owned lands.

Do you even understand what constitutes terrorism, might I suggest you put down your koran and read a proper law book for once
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

Who are the HoAP trying to kid?

(REFERENCE)

International Convention for the Suppression of the Financing of Terrorism
Signed: 9 December 1999, New York
Entered into force: 10 April 2002
Status: 173 Parties
Full text: Download PDF
  • Requires parties to take steps to prevent and counteract the financing of terrorists, whether direct or indirect, though groups claiming to have charitable, social or cultural goals or which also engage in illicit activities such as drug trafficking or gun running;

  • Commits States to hold those who finance terrorism criminally, civilly or administratively liable for such acts; and

  • Provides for the identification, freezing and seizure of funds allocated for terrorist activities, as well as for the sharing of the forfeited funds with other States on a case-by-case basis. Bank secrecy is no longer adequate justification for refusing to cooperate.
International Convention for the Suppression of Terrorist Bombings
Signed: 15 December 1997, New York
Entered into force: 23 May 2001
Status: 164 Parties
Full text: Download PDF
  • Creates a regime of universal jurisdiction over the unlawful and intentional use of explosives and other lethal devices in, into, or against various defined public places with intent to kill or cause serious bodily injury, or with intent to cause extensive destruction of the public place.
(COMMENT)

Whether it is today, or three years ago, makes no difference. The message is still the same.

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas Praises Jordanian Terrorist
09/20/2016 12:28 PM by Menachem Rephun

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas praised as a “martyr” Tuesday Jordanian terrorist Saeed Amro, who was killed after attempting to stab Israeli police in Jerusalem Friday. Abbas sent a condolence letter to Amro’s family as well.

In the letter, Abbas lauded the 28-year-old Amro as “a martyr who watered the pure earth of Palestine with his blood.”

According to Ynet, Abbas wrote that “God would wrap the martyr in his mercy, and that he will dwell in paradise.”

'Moderate' Palestinian President Abbas Praises Dead Terrorists as 'Martyrs' · 3y
JOHN ROSSOMANDO14 Jan 2013

“We must remember the pioneers, the Grand Mufti of Palestine Hajj Muhammad Amin Al-Husseini as well as Ahmad Al-Shukeiri, the founder of the PLO,”Abbas said according ... said Jonathan Schanzer, vice president for research with the Foundation ...


Most Respectfully,
R
OK, so?
Interesting opinions.

So... interesting opinions from uninteresting Islamic terrorists.


Official PA daily: Terrorist stabber “died as a Martyr” after Israel “claimed” that he had stabbed a soldier - Glorifying terrorists and terror | PMW

Official PA daily: Terrorist stabber “died as a Martyr” after Israel “claimed” that he had stabbed a soldier

Headline: “Hatem Al-Shaloudi – the third Martyr in Hebron within 24 hours”
“Hatem Abd Al-Hafiz Abd Al-Rahim Al-Shaloudi, a 26-year-old young man, died as a Martyr (Shahid) yesterday morning [Sept. 17, 2016] [when he] was shot by the occupation forces next to the Jabel Al-Rahma Mosque, the entrance to the Tel Rumeida neighborhood in the center of Hebron. Local sources and witnesses conveyed that the occupation soldiers shot a round of bullets towards the Martyr and prevented Red Crescent teams from reaching the site… The occupation army claimed, as usual, that young Al-Shaloudi stabbed a soldier at Tel Rumeida… Martyr Al-Shaloudi is the fourth Martyr in less than 24 hours.”




The above sickness is what passes for Arab-Moslem society and its glorification of hate and self-destruction.
The occupation army claimed, as usual, that young Al-Shaloudi stabbed a soldier at Tel Rumeida

This guy is full of shit.

Attacking foreign troops is not terrorism.

Of course. How nice that you're anxious to offer the lives of Pal'istanians, from behind the safety of your keyboard.

You might also be interested to learn that your opinion regarding premeditated murder on the part of your Islamic terrorist heroes heroes is wrong.
Link?







Given tens of times and you just ignore them because they destroy your POV. We are still waiting for you to produce a link to the treaty that says the land was given to the arab muslims.....................
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

Who are the HoAP trying to kid?

(REFERENCE)

International Convention for the Suppression of the Financing of Terrorism
Signed: 9 December 1999, New York
Entered into force: 10 April 2002
Status: 173 Parties
Full text: Download PDF
  • Requires parties to take steps to prevent and counteract the financing of terrorists, whether direct or indirect, though groups claiming to have charitable, social or cultural goals or which also engage in illicit activities such as drug trafficking or gun running;

  • Commits States to hold those who finance terrorism criminally, civilly or administratively liable for such acts; and

  • Provides for the identification, freezing and seizure of funds allocated for terrorist activities, as well as for the sharing of the forfeited funds with other States on a case-by-case basis. Bank secrecy is no longer adequate justification for refusing to cooperate.
International Convention for the Suppression of Terrorist Bombings
Signed: 15 December 1997, New York
Entered into force: 23 May 2001
Status: 164 Parties
Full text: Download PDF
  • Creates a regime of universal jurisdiction over the unlawful and intentional use of explosives and other lethal devices in, into, or against various defined public places with intent to kill or cause serious bodily injury, or with intent to cause extensive destruction of the public place.
(COMMENT)

Whether it is today, or three years ago, makes no difference. The message is still the same.

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas Praises Jordanian Terrorist
09/20/2016 12:28 PM by Menachem Rephun

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas praised as a “martyr” Tuesday Jordanian terrorist Saeed Amro, who was killed after attempting to stab Israeli police in Jerusalem Friday. Abbas sent a condolence letter to Amro’s family as well.

In the letter, Abbas lauded the 28-year-old Amro as “a martyr who watered the pure earth of Palestine with his blood.”

According to Ynet, Abbas wrote that “God would wrap the martyr in his mercy, and that he will dwell in paradise.”

'Moderate' Palestinian President Abbas Praises Dead Terrorists as 'Martyrs' · 3y
JOHN ROSSOMANDO14 Jan 2013

“We must remember the pioneers, the Grand Mufti of Palestine Hajj Muhammad Amin Al-Husseini as well as Ahmad Al-Shukeiri, the founder of the PLO,”Abbas said according ... said Jonathan Schanzer, vice president for research with the Foundation ...


Most Respectfully,
R
OK, so?
Interesting opinions.

So... interesting opinions from uninteresting Islamic terrorists.


Official PA daily: Terrorist stabber “died as a Martyr” after Israel “claimed” that he had stabbed a soldier - Glorifying terrorists and terror | PMW

Official PA daily: Terrorist stabber “died as a Martyr” after Israel “claimed” that he had stabbed a soldier

Headline: “Hatem Al-Shaloudi – the third Martyr in Hebron within 24 hours”
“Hatem Abd Al-Hafiz Abd Al-Rahim Al-Shaloudi, a 26-year-old young man, died as a Martyr (Shahid) yesterday morning [Sept. 17, 2016] [when he] was shot by the occupation forces next to the Jabel Al-Rahma Mosque, the entrance to the Tel Rumeida neighborhood in the center of Hebron. Local sources and witnesses conveyed that the occupation soldiers shot a round of bullets towards the Martyr and prevented Red Crescent teams from reaching the site… The occupation army claimed, as usual, that young Al-Shaloudi stabbed a soldier at Tel Rumeida… Martyr Al-Shaloudi is the fourth Martyr in less than 24 hours.”




The above sickness is what passes for Arab-Moslem society and its glorification of hate and self-destruction.
The occupation army claimed, as usual, that young Al-Shaloudi stabbed a soldier at Tel Rumeida

This guy is full of shit.

Attacking foreign troops is not terrorism.

Of course. How nice that you're anxious to offer the lives of Pal'istanians, from behind the safety of your keyboard.

You might also be interested to learn that your opinion regarding premeditated murder on the part of your Islamic terrorist heroes heroes is wrong.
Link?
Tinnie,do like I have .....put these CRETS ON IGNORE....I HAVE....steve they are just too THICK to waste time on......Regards
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

There is a difference between the Rule of Law and the morality of those in the Western Industrialized Cultures, in comparison to many members of the Arab League which focuses on violence as the principle source of conflict resolution. The idea expressed here demonstrates how pronounced some of those differences are.

• The mere fact that the Arab Palestinian would praise and glorify the kidnapping and murder of teenagers as justifiable, or the attack on Israelis Police and Defense Forces is an expansive difference.
• That the indiscriminate unlawful and intentional use of explosives and other lethal devices in, into, or against various defined public places with intent to kill or cause serious bodily injury, or with intent to cause extensive destruction of the public place is anything but unlawful and intentional.
1979 International Convention against the Taking of Hostages: Provides that “any person who seizes or detains and threatens to kill, to injure, or to continue to detain another person in order to compel a third party, namely, a State, an international intergovernmental organization, a natural or juridical person, or a group of persons, to do or abstain from doing any act as an explicit or implicit condition for the release of the hostage commits the offence of taking of hostage within the meaning of this Convention”.
Attacking foreign troops is not terrorism.
(COMMENT)

I have often cited Article 68 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, wherein punishment is is addressed for those actions that were (in general) solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, or espionage --- or --- serious acts of sabotage against the military installations of the Occupying Power or of intentional offenses which have caused the death of one or more persons, or seriously damage the property of the occupying forces or administration or the installations used by them.

Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, and relating to the Protection of Victims of International Armed Conflicts (Protocol I), 8 June 1977.

FUNDAMENTAL GUARANTEES
Article 75 [ Link ] -- Fundamental guarantees
2. The following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever, whether committed by civilian or by military agents:
(a) violence to the life, health, or physical or mental well-being of persons, in particular:

(i) murder;

(ii) torture of all kinds, whether physical or mental;

(iii) corporal punishment; and

(iv) mutilation;​
(b) outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment, enforced prostitution and any form of indecent assault;

(c) the taking of hostages;

(d) collective punishments; and

(e) threats to commit any of the foregoing acts.​

This is the other side to the coin that describes the Arab Palestinian as victims.


Most Respectfully,
R
 

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P F Tinmore, et al,

Ultimately, the question of "Occupation" versus the "Posturing for an Adequate Defense" against Arab League mass attacks (crossing the frontiers into Israel ad they have demonstrated in contemporary history) will be the decision of the Israelis.

This is a "risk assessment" for the Israelis. The current Pro-Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) position is that the pro-HoAP may attempt to attack and overrun Israel as many times they want. And in the wake of a military defeat, the Pro-HoAP believes that they lost territory should be given bake to the HoAP so that they make reconstitute their forces and try again.

On the other hand, the Israelis know that if they lose even once, the Jewish Homeland will be dismantled, and the commercial, scientific, manufacturing and broader economic base will shut-down and the Jews will have to begin, yet again, another mass exodus. In the shadow of either a political or military victory over the Israelis will leave behind it, another failed Arab State and void for radicalized Islamist to fight over.

Jewish-American Leadership Rising in Opposition to Israeli Occupation
(COMMENT)

Americans, even members of the Jewish Community in America, have varied opinions on the course of action Israel should pursue. But very few find it possible to appreciate the true danger that Regional Security faces and the consequences of an Arab victory over the Israelis.

Remembering that there are 22 member nations in the Arab League. But in the entire world, there is only one single and solitary Jewish National Home (JNH). And the Jewish cultural center, once again, faces an array of enemies that would surrender to the coercion inducted by threats of Jihadism, Insurgencies, Terrorism, Rebel Factions, and Asymmetric Fighters that believe that they are entitled to any means, without regard to Customary and International Humanitarian Law (IHL) in their pursuit:

• "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad." (HAMAS)
• "Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine." (PA/PLO)
• "In such difficult circumstances, the process of renovating the nation through armed resistance started, paving the way for liberating the land and the political choice from the hands of the “Israeli” occupation as a prelude to the restitution of the State and the building of its constitutional institutions." (Hezbollah)
• "Guerrilla War to Pressure for the "Peaceful Solution." (PFLP)
• "Violence as the only way to remove Israel from the Middle East map and reject any two-state arrangement in which Israel and Palestine coexist." (PIJ)
Each of the various Jihadist, Insurgent, Terrorist, Rebel Faction, and Asymmetric Fighter have a very similar objective and theme. They each hold that the HoAP should control the entirety of the territory that is West of the Jordan River. That spells the end of the preservation of the JNH.

Most Respectfully,
R
3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference;

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights

You always duck the Issue of Palestine's territorial integrity.
 
OK, so?
Interesting opinions.

So... interesting opinions from uninteresting Islamic terrorists.


Official PA daily: Terrorist stabber “died as a Martyr” after Israel “claimed” that he had stabbed a soldier - Glorifying terrorists and terror | PMW

Official PA daily: Terrorist stabber “died as a Martyr” after Israel “claimed” that he had stabbed a soldier

Headline: “Hatem Al-Shaloudi – the third Martyr in Hebron within 24 hours”
“Hatem Abd Al-Hafiz Abd Al-Rahim Al-Shaloudi, a 26-year-old young man, died as a Martyr (Shahid) yesterday morning [Sept. 17, 2016] [when he] was shot by the occupation forces next to the Jabel Al-Rahma Mosque, the entrance to the Tel Rumeida neighborhood in the center of Hebron. Local sources and witnesses conveyed that the occupation soldiers shot a round of bullets towards the Martyr and prevented Red Crescent teams from reaching the site… The occupation army claimed, as usual, that young Al-Shaloudi stabbed a soldier at Tel Rumeida… Martyr Al-Shaloudi is the fourth Martyr in less than 24 hours.”




The above sickness is what passes for Arab-Moslem society and its glorification of hate and self-destruction.
The occupation army claimed, as usual, that young Al-Shaloudi stabbed a soldier at Tel Rumeida

This guy is full of shit.

Attacking foreign troops is not terrorism.

Of course. How nice that you're anxious to offer the lives of Pal'istanians, from behind the safety of your keyboard.

You might also be interested to learn that your opinion regarding premeditated murder on the part of your Islamic terrorist heroes heroes is wrong.
Link?
Tinnie,do like I have .....put these CRETS ON IGNORE....I HAVE....steve they are just too THICK to waste time on......Regards






The cowards way out, showing that you are just a coward all along
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

Ultimately, the question of "Occupation" versus the "Posturing for an Adequate Defense" against Arab League mass attacks (crossing the frontiers into Israel ad they have demonstrated in contemporary history) will be the decision of the Israelis.

This is a "risk assessment" for the Israelis. The current Pro-Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) position is that the pro-HoAP may attempt to attack and overrun Israel as many times they want. And in the wake of a military defeat, the Pro-HoAP believes that they lost territory should be given bake to the HoAP so that they make reconstitute their forces and try again.

On the other hand, the Israelis know that if they lose even once, the Jewish Homeland will be dismantled, and the commercial, scientific, manufacturing and broader economic base will shut-down and the Jews will have to begin, yet again, another mass exodus. In the shadow of either a political or military victory over the Israelis will leave behind it, another failed Arab State and void for radicalized Islamist to fight over.

Jewish-American Leadership Rising in Opposition to Israeli Occupation
(COMMENT)

Americans, even members of the Jewish Community in America, have varied opinions on the course of action Israel should pursue. But very few find it possible to appreciate the true danger that Regional Security faces and the consequences of an Arab victory over the Israelis.

Remembering that there are 22 member nations in the Arab League. But in the entire world, there is only one single and solitary Jewish National Home (JNH). And the Jewish cultural center, once again, faces an array of enemies that would surrender to the coercion inducted by threats of Jihadism, Insurgencies, Terrorism, Rebel Factions, and Asymmetric Fighters that believe that they are entitled to any means, without regard to Customary and International Humanitarian Law (IHL) in their pursuit:

• "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad." (HAMAS)
• "Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine." (PA/PLO)
• "In such difficult circumstances, the process of renovating the nation through armed resistance started, paving the way for liberating the land and the political choice from the hands of the “Israeli” occupation as a prelude to the restitution of the State and the building of its constitutional institutions." (Hezbollah)
• "Guerrilla War to Pressure for the "Peaceful Solution." (PFLP)
• "Violence as the only way to remove Israel from the Middle East map and reject any two-state arrangement in which Israel and Palestine coexist." (PIJ)
Each of the various Jihadist, Insurgent, Terrorist, Rebel Faction, and Asymmetric Fighter have a very similar objective and theme. They each hold that the HoAP should control the entirety of the territory that is West of the Jordan River. That spells the end of the preservation of the JNH.

Most Respectfully,
R
3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference;

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights

You always duck the Issue of Palestine's territorial integrity.






And what is their defined territory then, produce the map that shows what lands they claim. And not the usual from the river to the sea crap that just defines their immaturity and petulance. Something you always duck, along with the treaty that granted the arab muslims all of palestine.

By the way this UN resolution is not international law, nor is it enforceable it is just what the authors of the resolution would like to see. So why you use it as if it meant anything is beyond most people understanding, when it has been ignored by every UN nation since 1977. Unless you want to accept that the Jews are the palestinian people and as such they should be given the west bank as determined under international laws.
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

Ultimately, the question of "Occupation" versus the "Posturing for an Adequate Defense" against Arab League mass attacks (crossing the frontiers into Israel ad they have demonstrated in contemporary history) will be the decision of the Israelis.

This is a "risk assessment" for the Israelis. The current Pro-Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) position is that the pro-HoAP may attempt to attack and overrun Israel as many times they want. And in the wake of a military defeat, the Pro-HoAP believes that they lost territory should be given bake to the HoAP so that they make reconstitute their forces and try again.

On the other hand, the Israelis know that if they lose even once, the Jewish Homeland will be dismantled, and the commercial, scientific, manufacturing and broader economic base will shut-down and the Jews will have to begin, yet again, another mass exodus. In the shadow of either a political or military victory over the Israelis will leave behind it, another failed Arab State and void for radicalized Islamist to fight over.

Jewish-American Leadership Rising in Opposition to Israeli Occupation
(COMMENT)

Americans, even members of the Jewish Community in America, have varied opinions on the course of action Israel should pursue. But very few find it possible to appreciate the true danger that Regional Security faces and the consequences of an Arab victory over the Israelis.

Remembering that there are 22 member nations in the Arab League. But in the entire world, there is only one single and solitary Jewish National Home (JNH). And the Jewish cultural center, once again, faces an array of enemies that would surrender to the coercion inducted by threats of Jihadism, Insurgencies, Terrorism, Rebel Factions, and Asymmetric Fighters that believe that they are entitled to any means, without regard to Customary and International Humanitarian Law (IHL) in their pursuit:

• "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad." (HAMAS)
• "Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine." (PA/PLO)
• "In such difficult circumstances, the process of renovating the nation through armed resistance started, paving the way for liberating the land and the political choice from the hands of the “Israeli” occupation as a prelude to the restitution of the State and the building of its constitutional institutions." (Hezbollah)
• "Guerrilla War to Pressure for the "Peaceful Solution." (PFLP)
• "Violence as the only way to remove Israel from the Middle East map and reject any two-state arrangement in which Israel and Palestine coexist." (PIJ)
Each of the various Jihadist, Insurgent, Terrorist, Rebel Faction, and Asymmetric Fighter have a very similar objective and theme. They each hold that the HoAP should control the entirety of the territory that is West of the Jordan River. That spells the end of the preservation of the JNH.

Most Respectfully,
R
3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference;

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights

You always duck the Issue of Palestine's territorial integrity.






And what is their defined territory then, produce the map that shows what lands they claim. And not the usual from the river to the sea crap that just defines their immaturity and petulance. Something you always duck, along with the treaty that granted the arab muslims all of palestine.

By the way this UN resolution is not international law, nor is it enforceable it is just what the authors of the resolution would like to see. So why you use it as if it meant anything is beyond most people understanding, when it has been ignored by every UN nation since 1977. Unless you want to accept that the Jews are the palestinian people and as such they should be given the west bank as determined under international laws.
So much blabber. So little proof.
 
You always duck the Issue of Palestine's territorial integrity.

You always treat Palestine's territorial integrity as something that exists and can not be changed. Neither is true. Any nations "territorial integrity" can be altered by treaty. Witness the division of Palestine, as described in the Mandate, into two portions -- Jordan and the Homeland for the Jewish people. So why can't the Homeland for the Jewish People be further divided into two portions? Answer: it can. Therefore, this whole "territorial integrity" that you keep bringing up is nothing but a red herring.
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

Ultimately, the question of "Occupation" versus the "Posturing for an Adequate Defense" against Arab League mass attacks (crossing the frontiers into Israel ad they have demonstrated in contemporary history) will be the decision of the Israelis.

This is a "risk assessment" for the Israelis. The current Pro-Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) position is that the pro-HoAP may attempt to attack and overrun Israel as many times they want. And in the wake of a military defeat, the Pro-HoAP believes that they lost territory should be given bake to the HoAP so that they make reconstitute their forces and try again.

On the other hand, the Israelis know that if they lose even once, the Jewish Homeland will be dismantled, and the commercial, scientific, manufacturing and broader economic base will shut-down and the Jews will have to begin, yet again, another mass exodus. In the shadow of either a political or military victory over the Israelis will leave behind it, another failed Arab State and void for radicalized Islamist to fight over.

Jewish-American Leadership Rising in Opposition to Israeli Occupation
(COMMENT)

Americans, even members of the Jewish Community in America, have varied opinions on the course of action Israel should pursue. But very few find it possible to appreciate the true danger that Regional Security faces and the consequences of an Arab victory over the Israelis.

Remembering that there are 22 member nations in the Arab League. But in the entire world, there is only one single and solitary Jewish National Home (JNH). And the Jewish cultural center, once again, faces an array of enemies that would surrender to the coercion inducted by threats of Jihadism, Insurgencies, Terrorism, Rebel Factions, and Asymmetric Fighters that believe that they are entitled to any means, without regard to Customary and International Humanitarian Law (IHL) in their pursuit:

• "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad." (HAMAS)
• "Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine." (PA/PLO)
• "In such difficult circumstances, the process of renovating the nation through armed resistance started, paving the way for liberating the land and the political choice from the hands of the “Israeli” occupation as a prelude to the restitution of the State and the building of its constitutional institutions." (Hezbollah)
• "Guerrilla War to Pressure for the "Peaceful Solution." (PFLP)
• "Violence as the only way to remove Israel from the Middle East map and reject any two-state arrangement in which Israel and Palestine coexist." (PIJ)
Each of the various Jihadist, Insurgent, Terrorist, Rebel Faction, and Asymmetric Fighter have a very similar objective and theme. They each hold that the HoAP should control the entirety of the territory that is West of the Jordan River. That spells the end of the preservation of the JNH.

Most Respectfully,
R
3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference;

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights

You always duck the Issue of Palestine's territorial integrity.

This has been addressed for you on multiple occasions across multiple threads. The only peoples that have prevented the so-called Pal'istanians from self-determination were the Arabs-Moslems.
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

All I can say is that you have to first understand the conditions at the time the Non-Binding Resolution was written, AND the actual components of the Resolution.

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference;

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights

You always duck the Issue of Palestine's territorial integrity.
(OBSERVATION)

It reaffirms the "inalienable right" of:

•• the Namibian people,
•• the Palestinian people and
•• all peoples under foreign and colonial domination

In 1982, what were the conditions:

The 7th Arab League Summit affirmed (1974 --- two years after the attack, by the Palestinian group Black September, during the 1972 Summer Olympics in Munich,):

•• the right of the Palestinian people to establish an independent national authority under the command of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO).
•• the PLO as the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated.
•• Arab states undertake to defend Palestinian national unity
•• Arab states not to interfere in the internal affairs of Palestinian action.
•• The PLO exercise of its responsibility at the national and international levels within the framework of Arab commitment;
•• The right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to return to their homeland;
In 1982, the situation on the ground was much different.

•• the Israelis "occupied" the territory formerly under the administration of the Egyptian Military Governor known as the Gaza Strip.
•• the Israelis "occupied" the sovereign territory of the Hashemite Kingdom known as the West Bank.
(COMMENT)

The Palestinians have no special rights, especially as it pertains to self-determination and to return to their homeland. It was the Allied Powers (having all rights and title) that recognized the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country.

So, in the international context, the respect for the principle of "equal rights" and "self-determination" of peoples (that would be including the Jewish People with the historical connection). "All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development."

And once again, I have to remind you that neither the "Mandate" or the "Occupation" represent a Colonial Power to extend their rule over a Non-Self-Governing Territories for the purposes of any exploitation. Neither the Jewish Agency or the follow-on Jewish State of Israel ---- act on behalf of a Colonial Power at any time since its establishment.

The non-Binding Resolution, rather long, makes very few demands and makes only one decision.


• 30. Decides to consider this item again at its thirty-eighth session on the basis of the reports that Governments, United Nations agencies and intergovernmental and non-governmental organizations have been requested to submit concerning the strengthening of assistance to colonial territories and peoples.

• 14. Again demands the immediate application of the mandatory arms embargo against South Africa, imposed under Security Council resolution 418 (1977), by all countries, particularly by those countries that maintain military and nuclear co-operation with the racist Pretoria regime and continue to supply related material to that regime;

• 16. Demands the immediate implementation of General Assembly resolution ES-8/2 on Namibia;

• 24. Demands the immediate and unconditional release of all persons detained or imprisoned as a result of their struggle for self-determination and independence, full respect for their fundamental individual rights and the observance of article 5 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, under which no one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment;

• 26. Demands the immediate release of children detained in Namibian and South African prisons;


There is absolutely nothing in this UN Resolution that demands anything of Israel or decides anything pertaining to Israel.

All this really shows is that the Arab Palestinian was unable to establish anything meaningful on the matter of the Middle East Conflict between 1974 and the 1982.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

All I can say is that you have to first understand the conditions at the time the Non-Binding Resolution was written, AND the actual components of the Resolution.

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference;

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights

You always duck the Issue of Palestine's territorial integrity.
(OBSERVATION)

It reaffirms the "inalienable right" of:

•• the Namibian people,
•• the Palestinian people and
•• all peoples under foreign and colonial domination

In 1982, what were the conditions:

The 7th Arab League Summit affirmed (1974 --- two years after the attack, by the Palestinian group Black September, during the 1972 Summer Olympics in Munich,):

•• the right of the Palestinian people to establish an independent national authority under the command of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO).
•• the PLO as the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated.
•• Arab states undertake to defend Palestinian national unity
•• Arab states not to interfere in the internal affairs of Palestinian action.
•• The PLO exercise of its responsibility at the national and international levels within the framework of Arab commitment;
•• The right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to return to their homeland;
In 1982, the situation on the ground was much different.

•• the Israelis "occupied" the territory formerly under the administration of the Egyptian Military Governor known as the Gaza Strip.
•• the Israelis "occupied" the sovereign territory of the Hashemite Kingdom known as the West Bank.
(COMMENT)

The Palestinians have no special rights, especially as it pertains to self-determination and to return to their homeland. It was the Allied Powers (having all rights and title) that recognized the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country.

So, in the international context, the respect for the principle of "equal rights" and "self-determination" of peoples (that would be including the Jewish People with the historical connection). "All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development."

And once again, I have to remind you that neither the "Mandate" or the "Occupation" represent a Colonial Power to extend their rule over a Non-Self-Governing Territories for the purposes of any exploitation. Neither the Jewish Agency or the follow-on Jewish State of Israel ---- act on behalf of a Colonial Power at any time since its establishment.

The non-Binding Resolution, rather long, makes very few demands and makes only one decision.


• 30. Decides to consider this item again at its thirty-eighth session on the basis of the reports that Governments, United Nations agencies and intergovernmental and non-governmental organizations have been requested to submit concerning the strengthening of assistance to colonial territories and peoples.

• 14. Again demands the immediate application of the mandatory arms embargo against South Africa, imposed under Security Council resolution 418 (1977), by all countries, particularly by those countries that maintain military and nuclear co-operation with the racist Pretoria regime and continue to supply related material to that regime;

• 16. Demands the immediate implementation of General Assembly resolution ES-8/2 on Namibia;

• 24. Demands the immediate and unconditional release of all persons detained or imprisoned as a result of their struggle for self-determination and independence, full respect for their fundamental individual rights and the observance of article 5 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, under which no one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment;

• 26. Demands the immediate release of children detained in Namibian and South African prisons;


There is absolutely nothing in this UN Resolution that demands anything of Israel or decides anything pertaining to Israel.

All this really shows is that the Arab Palestinian was unable to establish anything meaningful on the matter of the Middle East Conflict between 1974 and the 1982.

Most Respectfully,
R
What you say would only be true if Israel legally acquired the land it sits on.

That is a question that you consistently duck.
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

All I can say is that you have to first understand the conditions at the time the Non-Binding Resolution was written, AND the actual components of the Resolution.

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference;

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights

You always duck the Issue of Palestine's territorial integrity.
(OBSERVATION)

It reaffirms the "inalienable right" of:

•• the Namibian people,
•• the Palestinian people and
•• all peoples under foreign and colonial domination

In 1982, what were the conditions:

The 7th Arab League Summit affirmed (1974 --- two years after the attack, by the Palestinian group Black September, during the 1972 Summer Olympics in Munich,):

•• the right of the Palestinian people to establish an independent national authority under the command of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO).
•• the PLO as the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated.
•• Arab states undertake to defend Palestinian national unity
•• Arab states not to interfere in the internal affairs of Palestinian action.
•• The PLO exercise of its responsibility at the national and international levels within the framework of Arab commitment;
•• The right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to return to their homeland;
In 1982, the situation on the ground was much different.

•• the Israelis "occupied" the territory formerly under the administration of the Egyptian Military Governor known as the Gaza Strip.
•• the Israelis "occupied" the sovereign territory of the Hashemite Kingdom known as the West Bank.
(COMMENT)

The Palestinians have no special rights, especially as it pertains to self-determination and to return to their homeland. It was the Allied Powers (having all rights and title) that recognized the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country.

So, in the international context, the respect for the principle of "equal rights" and "self-determination" of peoples (that would be including the Jewish People with the historical connection). "All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development."

And once again, I have to remind you that neither the "Mandate" or the "Occupation" represent a Colonial Power to extend their rule over a Non-Self-Governing Territories for the purposes of any exploitation. Neither the Jewish Agency or the follow-on Jewish State of Israel ---- act on behalf of a Colonial Power at any time since its establishment.

The non-Binding Resolution, rather long, makes very few demands and makes only one decision.


• 30. Decides to consider this item again at its thirty-eighth session on the basis of the reports that Governments, United Nations agencies and intergovernmental and non-governmental organizations have been requested to submit concerning the strengthening of assistance to colonial territories and peoples.

• 14. Again demands the immediate application of the mandatory arms embargo against South Africa, imposed under Security Council resolution 418 (1977), by all countries, particularly by those countries that maintain military and nuclear co-operation with the racist Pretoria regime and continue to supply related material to that regime;

• 16. Demands the immediate implementation of General Assembly resolution ES-8/2 on Namibia;

• 24. Demands the immediate and unconditional release of all persons detained or imprisoned as a result of their struggle for self-determination and independence, full respect for their fundamental individual rights and the observance of article 5 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, under which no one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment;

• 26. Demands the immediate release of children detained in Namibian and South African prisons;


There is absolutely nothing in this UN Resolution that demands anything of Israel or decides anything pertaining to Israel.

All this really shows is that the Arab Palestinian was unable to establish anything meaningful on the matter of the Middle East Conflict between 1974 and the 1982.

Most Respectfully,
R
What you say would only be true if Israel legally acquired the land it sits on.

That is a question that you consistently duck.

There's no reason to accept that the land Israel sits on was not acquired legally.

There's no reason to accept that the Arab-Moslem squatters acquired the land legally. That the issue you consistently duck.
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

All I can say is that you have to first understand the conditions at the time the Non-Binding Resolution was written, AND the actual components of the Resolution.

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference;

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights

You always duck the Issue of Palestine's territorial integrity.
(OBSERVATION)

It reaffirms the "inalienable right" of:

•• the Namibian people,
•• the Palestinian people and
•• all peoples under foreign and colonial domination

In 1982, what were the conditions:

The 7th Arab League Summit affirmed (1974 --- two years after the attack, by the Palestinian group Black September, during the 1972 Summer Olympics in Munich,):

•• the right of the Palestinian people to establish an independent national authority under the command of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO).
•• the PLO as the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated.
•• Arab states undertake to defend Palestinian national unity
•• Arab states not to interfere in the internal affairs of Palestinian action.
•• The PLO exercise of its responsibility at the national and international levels within the framework of Arab commitment;
•• The right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to return to their homeland;
In 1982, the situation on the ground was much different.

•• the Israelis "occupied" the territory formerly under the administration of the Egyptian Military Governor known as the Gaza Strip.
•• the Israelis "occupied" the sovereign territory of the Hashemite Kingdom known as the West Bank.
(COMMENT)

The Palestinians have no special rights, especially as it pertains to self-determination and to return to their homeland. It was the Allied Powers (having all rights and title) that recognized the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country.

So, in the international context, the respect for the principle of "equal rights" and "self-determination" of peoples (that would be including the Jewish People with the historical connection). "All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development."

And once again, I have to remind you that neither the "Mandate" or the "Occupation" represent a Colonial Power to extend their rule over a Non-Self-Governing Territories for the purposes of any exploitation. Neither the Jewish Agency or the follow-on Jewish State of Israel ---- act on behalf of a Colonial Power at any time since its establishment.

The non-Binding Resolution, rather long, makes very few demands and makes only one decision.


• 30. Decides to consider this item again at its thirty-eighth session on the basis of the reports that Governments, United Nations agencies and intergovernmental and non-governmental organizations have been requested to submit concerning the strengthening of assistance to colonial territories and peoples.

• 14. Again demands the immediate application of the mandatory arms embargo against South Africa, imposed under Security Council resolution 418 (1977), by all countries, particularly by those countries that maintain military and nuclear co-operation with the racist Pretoria regime and continue to supply related material to that regime;

• 16. Demands the immediate implementation of General Assembly resolution ES-8/2 on Namibia;

• 24. Demands the immediate and unconditional release of all persons detained or imprisoned as a result of their struggle for self-determination and independence, full respect for their fundamental individual rights and the observance of article 5 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, under which no one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment;

• 26. Demands the immediate release of children detained in Namibian and South African prisons;


There is absolutely nothing in this UN Resolution that demands anything of Israel or decides anything pertaining to Israel.

All this really shows is that the Arab Palestinian was unable to establish anything meaningful on the matter of the Middle East Conflict between 1974 and the 1982.

Most Respectfully,
R
What you say would only be true if Israel legally acquired the land it sits on.

That is a question that you consistently duck.

There's no reason to accept that the land Israel sits on was not acquired legally.

There's no reason to accept that the Arab-Moslem squatters acquired the land legally. That the issue you consistently duck.
Not so. The Palestinians acquired Palestine by treaty.
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

All I can say is that you have to first understand the conditions at the time the Non-Binding Resolution was written, AND the actual components of the Resolution.

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference;

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights

You always duck the Issue of Palestine's territorial integrity.
(OBSERVATION)

It reaffirms the "inalienable right" of:

•• the Namibian people,
•• the Palestinian people and
•• all peoples under foreign and colonial domination

In 1982, what were the conditions:

The 7th Arab League Summit affirmed (1974 --- two years after the attack, by the Palestinian group Black September, during the 1972 Summer Olympics in Munich,):

•• the right of the Palestinian people to establish an independent national authority under the command of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO).
•• the PLO as the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated.
•• Arab states undertake to defend Palestinian national unity
•• Arab states not to interfere in the internal affairs of Palestinian action.
•• The PLO exercise of its responsibility at the national and international levels within the framework of Arab commitment;
•• The right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to return to their homeland;
In 1982, the situation on the ground was much different.

•• the Israelis "occupied" the territory formerly under the administration of the Egyptian Military Governor known as the Gaza Strip.
•• the Israelis "occupied" the sovereign territory of the Hashemite Kingdom known as the West Bank.
(COMMENT)

The Palestinians have no special rights, especially as it pertains to self-determination and to return to their homeland. It was the Allied Powers (having all rights and title) that recognized the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country.

So, in the international context, the respect for the principle of "equal rights" and "self-determination" of peoples (that would be including the Jewish People with the historical connection). "All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development."

And once again, I have to remind you that neither the "Mandate" or the "Occupation" represent a Colonial Power to extend their rule over a Non-Self-Governing Territories for the purposes of any exploitation. Neither the Jewish Agency or the follow-on Jewish State of Israel ---- act on behalf of a Colonial Power at any time since its establishment.

The non-Binding Resolution, rather long, makes very few demands and makes only one decision.


• 30. Decides to consider this item again at its thirty-eighth session on the basis of the reports that Governments, United Nations agencies and intergovernmental and non-governmental organizations have been requested to submit concerning the strengthening of assistance to colonial territories and peoples.

• 14. Again demands the immediate application of the mandatory arms embargo against South Africa, imposed under Security Council resolution 418 (1977), by all countries, particularly by those countries that maintain military and nuclear co-operation with the racist Pretoria regime and continue to supply related material to that regime;

• 16. Demands the immediate implementation of General Assembly resolution ES-8/2 on Namibia;

• 24. Demands the immediate and unconditional release of all persons detained or imprisoned as a result of their struggle for self-determination and independence, full respect for their fundamental individual rights and the observance of article 5 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, under which no one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment;

• 26. Demands the immediate release of children detained in Namibian and South African prisons;


There is absolutely nothing in this UN Resolution that demands anything of Israel or decides anything pertaining to Israel.

All this really shows is that the Arab Palestinian was unable to establish anything meaningful on the matter of the Middle East Conflict between 1974 and the 1982.

Most Respectfully,
R
What you say would only be true if Israel legally acquired the land it sits on.

That is a question that you consistently duck.

There's no reason to accept that the land Israel sits on was not acquired legally.

There's no reason to accept that the Arab-Moslem squatters acquired the land legally. That the issue you consistently duck.
Not so. The Palestinians acquired Palestine by treaty.


What part of all this addresses my post?
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh, you are so full of it.

Not so. The Palestinians acquired Palestine by treaty.
(COMMENT)

ARTICLE 16.
Lausanne Treaty: Part I
SECTION I. ----
TERRITORIAL CLAUSES.

Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.

The provisions of the present Article do not prejudice any special arrangements arising from neighbourly relations which have been or may be concluded between Turkey and any limitrophe countries.
Nothing the Palestinians have can trump this active treaty clause.

The indigenous population may have nationality and citizenship (to avoid stateless people), but the territorial "rights and title" were for the Allied Powers.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh, you are so full of it.

Not so. The Palestinians acquired Palestine by treaty.
(COMMENT)

ARTICLE 16.
Lausanne Treaty: Part I
SECTION I. ----
TERRITORIAL CLAUSES.

Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.

The provisions of the present Article do not prejudice any special arrangements arising from neighbourly relations which have been or may be concluded between Turkey and any limitrophe countries.
Nothing the Palestinians have can trump this active treaty clause.

The indigenous population may have nationality and citizenship (to avoid stateless people), but the territorial "rights and title" were for the Allied Powers.

Most Respectfully,
R
the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.​

And the parties had a non annexation policy. They held the territories in trust for the people. The people who became citizens under article 30.
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, I kind-of thought this would be the comeback.

ARTICLE 16.
Lausanne Treaty: Part I
SECTION I. ----
TERRITORIAL CLAUSES.

Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.

The provisions of the present Article do not prejudice any special arrangements arising from neighbourly relations which have been or may be concluded between Turkey and any limitrophe countries.​
And the parties had a non annexation policy. They held the territories in trust for the people. The people who became citizens under article 30.
(COMMENT)

ARTICLE 30 is in SECTION II - NATIONALITY.

Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.

Article 30 talks about people, not territory. (Section I is about territory and not people. Section II is about people (nationality) and not territory.) Article 30 say absolutely nothing about the where the territory is transferred; by whom, to whom, or for whom. All it says is that the people become citizen wherever they reside, whatever that territory finally becomes. It does not suggest in any fashion that the there is some legacy of territory. It say nothing about territorial trusts or the territory being held in trusts or mandates. In fact, the issue of "trusts" and "mandates" is not even mentioned in the Treaty of Lausanne; the words are found nowhere in the Treaty. It is the Allied Powers in Article 16 that determines "the future of these territories" (concerned parties to the treaty).

I've seen pro-Palestinians pull this Article 30 out like a pulling a Rabbit out of the Hat. But like all magic, it is the art of misdirection.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

Ultimately, the question of "Occupation" versus the "Posturing for an Adequate Defense" against Arab League mass attacks (crossing the frontiers into Israel ad they have demonstrated in contemporary history) will be the decision of the Israelis.

This is a "risk assessment" for the Israelis. The current Pro-Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) position is that the pro-HoAP may attempt to attack and overrun Israel as many times they want. And in the wake of a military defeat, the Pro-HoAP believes that they lost territory should be given bake to the HoAP so that they make reconstitute their forces and try again.

On the other hand, the Israelis know that if they lose even once, the Jewish Homeland will be dismantled, and the commercial, scientific, manufacturing and broader economic base will shut-down and the Jews will have to begin, yet again, another mass exodus. In the shadow of either a political or military victory over the Israelis will leave behind it, another failed Arab State and void for radicalized Islamist to fight over.

Jewish-American Leadership Rising in Opposition to Israeli Occupation
(COMMENT)

Americans, even members of the Jewish Community in America, have varied opinions on the course of action Israel should pursue. But very few find it possible to appreciate the true danger that Regional Security faces and the consequences of an Arab victory over the Israelis.

Remembering that there are 22 member nations in the Arab League. But in the entire world, there is only one single and solitary Jewish National Home (JNH). And the Jewish cultural center, once again, faces an array of enemies that would surrender to the coercion inducted by threats of Jihadism, Insurgencies, Terrorism, Rebel Factions, and Asymmetric Fighters that believe that they are entitled to any means, without regard to Customary and International Humanitarian Law (IHL) in their pursuit:

• "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad." (HAMAS)
• "Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine." (PA/PLO)
• "In such difficult circumstances, the process of renovating the nation through armed resistance started, paving the way for liberating the land and the political choice from the hands of the “Israeli” occupation as a prelude to the restitution of the State and the building of its constitutional institutions." (Hezbollah)
• "Guerrilla War to Pressure for the "Peaceful Solution." (PFLP)
• "Violence as the only way to remove Israel from the Middle East map and reject any two-state arrangement in which Israel and Palestine coexist." (PIJ)
Each of the various Jihadist, Insurgent, Terrorist, Rebel Faction, and Asymmetric Fighter have a very similar objective and theme. They each hold that the HoAP should control the entirety of the territory that is West of the Jordan River. That spells the end of the preservation of the JNH.

Most Respectfully,
R
3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference;

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights

You always duck the Issue of Palestine's territorial integrity.






And what is their defined territory then, produce the map that shows what lands they claim. And not the usual from the river to the sea crap that just defines their immaturity and petulance. Something you always duck, along with the treaty that granted the arab muslims all of palestine.

By the way this UN resolution is not international law, nor is it enforceable it is just what the authors of the resolution would like to see. So why you use it as if it meant anything is beyond most people understanding, when it has been ignored by every UN nation since 1977. Unless you want to accept that the Jews are the palestinian people and as such they should be given the west bank as determined under international laws.
So much blabber. So little proof.







Would you read it if it was provided, or would you just say it was blabber and so ignore it. When will you stop your blabber and produce the evidence showing a nation of palestine was invented in 1917 under the LoN . Better still when will you answer one of the many posts with an intelligent reply that is supported by links to unbiased sources ?
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh, you are so full of it.

Not so. The Palestinians acquired Palestine by treaty.
(COMMENT)

ARTICLE 16.
Lausanne Treaty: Part I
SECTION I. ----
TERRITORIAL CLAUSES.

Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.

The provisions of the present Article do not prejudice any special arrangements arising from neighbourly relations which have been or may be concluded between Turkey and any limitrophe countries.
Nothing the Palestinians have can trump this active treaty clause.

The indigenous population may have nationality and citizenship (to avoid stateless people), but the territorial "rights and title" were for the Allied Powers.

Most Respectfully,
R
the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.​

And the parties had a non annexation policy. They held the territories in trust for the people. The people who became citizens under article 30.







Which in this case were the Jews as the arab muslims had already laid claim to their portion of the land and called it JORDAN. The same arab muslims that had an amendment made to the Mandate of palestine that made in illegal for non muslims to exist in Jordan, and for non Jews to live in the Jewish national home. Once again you try and manipulate legal documents to say what you want them to say
 

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