Breaking: Charleston SC, white male shoots 8 people at Souths oldest black church

[Asclepias]

still looking for any lib started black on white crime threads...........

Stop deflecting and pay attention to this thread.

 

[rightwinger]

No, it's clearly a HATE CRIME!!!!! Recent reports from his friends are making that perfectly clear. He was even railing about Trayvon Martin.

There is no such thing as a hate crime. Only criminal behavior.

This is not a hate crime

It goes beyond that.......it is outright terrorism

Root killed twice as many people as the terrorists at the Boston Marathon bombing

What do numbers have to do with it? Fort Hood shooting was not considered an act of terrorism so how can this be?

What would make the marathon bombings terrorism but not this massacre of innocent blacks?

Is it only terrorism when Muslims do it but not when racist whites do it?

The intent moron......

His intent was not to form terror in the black community?

He is a terrorist

If he were Muslim, there would be no question

 

[JQPublic1]

did he go visit racist websites? maybe the owners of those web sites should be held accountable

You mean like MSNBC or the DNC.org?

how come if an Arab did what he did you call him a terrorist and if a black person did it you would call him a murderer but the media is calling you white guy mentally ill?

This guy is a nut jobber...but it is not a hate crime. No such thing. He is a common criminal. Black or White. An Arab launching an attack against a nation-state is a terrorist.

I believe there is such a thing s a hate crime. Hate cries can be tied to motive or intent. They can be spontaneous. While it is true that other crimes can be planned and given some thought before executing them, the hate crime takes on a special flavor all it's own.
Consider that hate against a single individual does not qualify as a nexus for hate against an entire race or group. When one starts to hate people in general because of race, gender or sexual orientation it usually manifests itself through vandalism, assault, murder, or mental abuse and escalates from less serious to serious. It does not end with one victim!

 

[Manonthestreet]

anybody mention how many black facebook friends he had..........makes ya go hhhmmmmmm

 

[rightwinger]

No, it's clearly a HATE CRIME!!!!! Recent reports from his friends are making that perfectly clear. He was even railing about Trayvon Martin.

There is no such thing as a hate crime. Only criminal behavior.

This is not a hate crime

It goes beyond that.......it is outright terrorism

Root killed twice as many people as the terrorists at the Boston Marathon bombing

What do numbers have to do with it? Fort Hood shooting was not considered an act of terrorism so how can this be?

What would make the marathon bombings terrorism but not this massacre of innocent blacks?

Is it only terrorism when Muslims do it but not when racist whites do it?

Muslim terrorist killed the Boston Marathon victims and the WTC victims because they were AMERICAN'S.

Root killed the members of the church because they were black

How is that not terrorism?

The entire Jim Crow/KKK of the south was terrorism. How is this not the same?

 

[Asclepias]

did he go visit racist websites? maybe the owners of those web sites should be held accountable

You mean like MSNBC or the DNC.org?

how come if an Arab did what he did you call him a terrorist and if a black person did it you would call him a murderer but the media is calling you white guy mentally ill?

This guy is a nut jobber...but it is not a hate crime. No such thing. He is a common criminal. Black or White. An Arab launching an attack against a nation-state is a terrorist.

I believe there is such a thing s a hate crime. Hate cries can be tied to motive or intent. They can be spontaneous. While it is true that other crimes can be planned and given some thought before executing them, the hate crime takes on a special flavor all it's own.
Consider that hate against a single individual does not qualify as a nexus for hate against an entire race or group. When one starts to hate people in general because of race, gender or sexual orientation it usually manifests itself through vandalism, assault, murder, or mental abuse and escalates from less serious to serious. It does not end with one victim!

What the idiot doesnt get is that its not a matter of belief. The law exists and any race can be guilty of a hate crime.

 

[Geaux4it]

Did Obama have a son there ?

-Geaux

If Obama had a son, he might look like the shooter if he self-identifies as a black person.

That was gross and disgusting, even for you. Did it ever occur to you that when you say stupid shit like that, that you make Righties look totally ridiculous.

Oh, forget it. You are totally ridiculous, anyway.

Shut up Stat. This was a terrorist act like ISIS.

-Geaux

 

[JQPublic1]

KK

If you are stupid enough to accept everything the right tells you probably believe Casebolt was innocent. All I am saying is that that the word "liberal" is dispensed far too often by people who don't have a clue as to what it means. Some editorials in the media are liberal and others in the same media are more conservative.

Your attempt to compare this hateful murderous incursion into a religious sanctuary with black thuggery is ludicrous. Black thugs don't walk into white churches and kill people. At least not yet.. Neither have I heard of them blowing up white churches or setting them on fire. Unfortunately, there is something uniquely "white" about that. White Christians would likely agree with me!

I do not identify as "right" or "left." I think "racism" is dispensed far too often in the media. Do not confuse "realism" with "racism."

Racism exists because people believe in race and tend to congregate around people who look like themselves. In America, slavery had a huge impact on social roles assigned to people based on skin color and physiognomy. Some, not all, so-called "white people" felt that freed slaves, mexicans, asians and anyone who didn't look like them were taking something away from white people if they started to assimilate. The news media can and often does manipulate public opinion depending on which political faction is most against black progress at the time or who pays the most.

They were building a nation and did not feel that anyone was "taking" something from them.They were too busy expanding westward and holding their own against nature and disease. Look at the history of freed Blacks in America. Right to vote and own property. The Whites that came from Europe were the peasant downtrodden class and came to the New World for freedom. Because of what was going on with the African slave trade by both Europeans and Arab Muslims they viewed Africans as an inferior people. Just the truth of the matter when it comes to history.

Not all Americans were expanding westward. The industrial corridor, where the jobs were, turned into a new battleground between Whites and blacks who competed for those jobs in the North. The KKK membership soared in both the North and the South .
Blacks were terrorized and killed for any reason or whim that suited whites for deades.

KKK membership in North was fueled by an anti Catholic backlash to immigration. Hence National Origins Act and Quota Acts of 1920's. Blacks were not even on the radar.

I don't give a hoot about what fueled the KKK membership of the 20s or during the first manifestation. the KKK was used to terrorize Blacks more than anyone else during their inception in any era.

 

[MarcATL]

You think we'd have this SCREAMING headline about the persons skin color if the shooter had been an Asian, Indian, Oriental, etc etc?

Here we go again folks. and next they will have them a RIGHTWING extremist, racist bigot, who is anti-government, read Sarah Palin's facebook and hated Obama. so they went out and shot up a church that had black people in it

You've just described the EXACT type that commits such acts.

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[emilynghiem]

BTW rightwinger
would you consider the Fort Hood Shooting (leaving 13 people dead)
an act of "terrorism" or "mass murder" or "workplace violence" as the govt classed it for political convenience.

If you are so adamant that this act constitutes Terrorism
what about Fort Hood, is that Terrorism or an individual committing mass murder?

There is no such thing as a hate crime. Only criminal behavior.

This is not a hate crime

It goes beyond that.......it is outright terrorism

Root killed twice as many people as the terrorists at the Boston Marathon bombing

What do numbers have to do with it? Fort Hood shooting was not considered an act of terrorism so how can this be?

What would make the marathon bombings terrorism but not this massacre of innocent blacks?

Is it only terrorism when Muslims do it but not when racist whites do it?

Muslim terrorist killed the Boston Marathon victims and the WTC victims because they were AMERICAN'S.

Root killed the members of the church because they were black

How is that not terrorism?

The entire Jim Crow/KKK of the south was terrorism. How is this not the same?

Yes and no rightwinger
Even Muslims were killed in the buildings in 9/11 (not just the Radical Muslim Jihadist terrorists who died)
The Terrorists didn't just target White Americans or US Soldiers but anyone and everyone in those buildings
they were attacking to make a global statement even killing Muslim Americans as part of the collateral damage.

here, the shooter was targeting Blacks specifically
and YES I get your point that he targeted a historic black church
that would maximize the publicity and statement he wanted to make in the media.

PART of what he did was like other terrorist attacks, similar to the Aurora shooter whose act of murder also involves the element of terrorism.

Another difference in how these are viewed is whether these people are acting as part of a COLLECTIVE movement or entity acting as a "national or religious identity" on its own.

If they are acting alone, they tend to be categorized as mass murderers.

If the emphasis is on the group and agenda (like Al Qaeda and Taliban) and not on individual members acting alone, this gets labelled COLLETIVELY as "terrorism" and not as individual acts of murder.

BTW rightwinger
would you consider the Fort Hood Shooting (leaving 13 people dead)
an act of "terrorism" or "mass murder" or "workplace violence" as the govt classed it for political convenience.

If you are so adamant that this act constitutes Terrorism
what about Fort Hood, is that Terrorism or an individual committing mass murder?

 

[emilynghiem]

You think we'd have this SCREAMING headline about the persons skin color if the shooter had been an Asian, Indian, Oriental, etc etc?

Here we go again folks. and next they will have them a RIGHTWING extremist, racist bigot, who is anti-government, read Sarah Palin's facebook and hated Obama. so they went out and shot up a church that had black people in it

Or WORSE, Stephanie,
why not bring out how DEMOCRAT leaders have decimated an entire National historic district of Freed Slave Churches, and NOBODY has raised an issue on this. It's a form of GENOCIDE to wipe out the community, destroy historic houses, gravesites, churches and brick streets.

If you brought that out Stephanie what would Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee have to say?

How many churches were burned, torn down, or mysteriously bulldozed and nobody protested.
The locals have constantly protested, but are expected to sue, and win, before any of those protests count legally. In the meantime, many generations of community residents have had their rights deprived and denied over years of this continuing pattern of abuse, oppression and destruction (at taxpayers expense, there is a huge paper trail to show how much money has changed hands to destroy the only national district of Freed Slave churches of its kind in the US) due to lack of any legal representation or defense to speak of. Politics trumps all that.

Where are the Al Sharptons, the Cornel Wests, Jesse Jackson, and anyone else?

So too bad for this shooter!

If he wanted to "get rid of Blacks" just have the City of Houston hand over 3.4 million, 10 million, 15 million of taxpayers money to Corporate Developers to mow down their houses and churches. And it's all legal and gets the political nod. And silent treatment in the media.

No guns needed. No jail time, no nothing.

And no Liberals or Democrats will say a word. Zip. Nada. Because they want their candidates
to get financial support to run for office. So nobody goes against the powers that be.

That's the way to get away with genocide. Mask it as politics for Democrats to get in and stay in office. And suddenly it's okay to destroy national historic Black churches, deprive funding property and rights from Blacks, all this is okay if it is going to let Democrats get into office. Then it's forgivable and acceptable as just the way corporate politics works.

That's how to do it. The KKK and everyone else should take lessons from the City of Houston
how to commit genocide against Blacks, using MILLIONS in taxpayers money over several generations to justify all the damage done as "redevelopment". And not only get away with it, but run for office and get elected by going along with this.

Racists, take note! If you commit genocide as a Democrat, then it's okay. You will be backed by the Party.

 

[GHook93]

WCSC Police searching for suspect following downtown Charleston shooting

Story is breaking. Very little info. Its an AME church. Traditionally black church. Suspect said to.be white male in early 20s who is still loose. News says 8 victims. Havent said if they're deceased or just wounded. Havent revealed their identity. No other details. Horrible story unfolding.

'
There are some serious cultural problems in the white community.

This is tragic and simpletons like you use it for political points. That is very sad.

There is a very big difference to these types of incidents. Whites condemn this and feel just as much sorrow for the incident victims that blacks do. When the tables are turned, such as the animal the killed the Australian student because he was white and the animal was bored, blacks either show indifference, defend the man or excuse his actions. The reactions to these types of cowardly acts are treated very differently by both communities!

 

[2aguy]

You think we'd have this SCREAMING headline about the persons skin color if the shooter had been an Asian, Indian, Oriental, etc etc?

Here we go again folks. and next they will have them a RIGHTWING extremist, racist bigot, who is anti-government, read Sarah Palin's facebook and hated Obama. so they went out and shot up a church that had black people in it

Or WORSE, Stephanie,
why not bring out how DEMOCRAT leaders have decimated an entire National historic district of Freed Slave Churches, and NOBODY has raised an issue on this. It's a form of GENOCIDE to wipe out the community, destroy historic houses, gravesites, churches and brick streets.

If you brought that out Stephanie what would Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee have to say?

How many churches were burned, torn down, or mysteriously bulldozed and nobody protested.
The locals have constantly protested, but are expected to sue, and win, before any of those protests count legally. In the meantime, many generations of community residents have had their rights deprived and denied over years of this continuing pattern of abuse, oppression and destruction (at taxpayers expense, there is a huge paper trail to show how much money has changed hands to destroy the only national district of Freed Slave churches of its kind in the US) due to lack of any legal representation or defense to speak of. Politics trumps all that.

Where are the Al Sharptons, the Cornel Wests, Jesse Jackson, and anyone else?

So too bad for this shooter!

If he wanted to "get rid of Blacks" just have the City of Houston hand over 3.4 million, 10 million, 15 million of taxpayers money to Corporate Developers to mow down their houses and churches. And it's all legal and gets the political nod. And silent treatment in the media.

No guns needed. No jail time, no nothing.

And no Liberals or Democrats will say a word. Zip. Nada. Because they want their candidates
to get financial support to run for office. So nobody goes against the powers that be.

That's the way to get away with genocide. Mask it as politics for Democrats to get in and stay in office. And suddenly it's okay to destroy national historic Black churches, deprive funding property and rights from Blacks, all this is okay if it is going to let Democrats get into office. Then it's forgivable and acceptable as just the way corporate politics works.

That's how to do it. The KKK and everyone else should take lessons from the City of Houston
how to commit genocide against Blacks, using MILLIONS in taxpayers money over several generations to justify all the damage done as "redevelopment". And not only get away with it, but run for office and get elected by going along with this.

Racists, take note! If you commit genocide as a Democrat, then it's okay. You will be backed by the Party.

Genocide...you need to look up what that word means.....

 

[GHook93]

WCSC Police searching for suspect following downtown Charleston shooting

Story is breaking. Very little info. Its an AME church. Traditionally black church. Suspect said to.be white male in early 20s who is still loose. News says 8 victims. Havent said if they're deceased or just wounded. Havent revealed their identity. No other details. Horrible story unfolding.

'
There are some serious cultural problems in the white community.

I expect leaders in their community to come forward and address this. The white community needs to think long and hard about this.

No we don't you simpleton. The VAST VAST majority of whites in this country are horrified by this cowardly acts and feel just as much sorrow as blacks do. I very 8 innocent AMERICANS killed by a cowardly evil sick man.

However, when the tables are turned, black flash mobs, random acts of violence or black on white hate crimes, the Black community doesn't share the same sympathy, compassionate or sorrow for the victims.

 

[Bush92]

did he go visit racist websites? maybe the owners of those web sites should be held accountable

You mean like MSNBC or the DNC.org?

how come if an Arab did what he did you call him a terrorist and if a black person did it you would call him a murderer but the media is calling you white guy mentally ill?

This guy is a nut jobber...but it is not a hate crime. No such thing. He is a common criminal. Black or White. An Arab launching an attack against a nation-state is a terrorist.

I believe there is such a thing s a hate crime. Hate cries can be tied to motive or intent. They can be spontaneous. While it is true that other crimes can be planned and given some thought before executing them, the hate crime takes on a special flavor all it's own.
Consider that hate against a single individual does not qualify as a nexus for hate against an entire race or group. When one starts to hate people in general because of race, gender or sexual orientation it usually manifests itself through vandalism, assault, murder, or mental abuse and escalates from less serious to serious. It does not end with one victim!

What the idiot doesnt get is that its not a matter of belief. The law exists and any race can be guilty of a hate crime.

No they cannot. Only White people.

 

[Bush92]

did he go visit racist websites? maybe the owners of those web sites should be held accountable

Like the Black Panthers?

 

[Bush92]

Go Redskins! Go Vikings! Go Fighting Irish! Go Cowboy's! Go Jayhawks! Whats your point?

 

[Bush92]

did he go visit racist websites? maybe the owners of those web sites should be held accountable

You mean like MSNBC or the DNC.org?

how come if an Arab did what he did you call him a terrorist and if a black person did it you would call him a murderer but the media is calling you white guy mentally ill?

This guy is a nut jobber...but it is not a hate crime. No such thing. He is a common criminal. Black or White. An Arab launching an attack against a nation-state is a terrorist.

No, it's clearly a HATE CRIME!!!!! Recent reports from his friends are making that perfectly clear. He was even railing about Trayvon Martin.

What's the deal with Trayvon Martin? He attacked someone and got shot. Non-issue.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

the Supreme Court struck down the vast majority of the 1965 Voting Rights Act because it did not apply to all 50 states. So how can a "hate crime" be Constitutional?

I would say a white supremacist who shoots a black person through the head to further their cause no matter where it happens, is a hate crime, if not terrorism.

 

[emilynghiem]

RE:
4:55 p.m.

A friend says the white man accused of killing nine people inside a historic black church in Charleston had told him recently that black people were taking over the world and that something needed to be done for the white race.

A. Misconception #1
If you look at the population of China, isn't it the Chinese that are poised to take over the world.
Why worry about Blacks who are doing just fine killing themselves off without any help from Whites.

B. Misconception #2
Why bother using guns and wasting bullets just to kill a few people?
When entire generations of Blacks can be wiped out without any bloodshed.
Well, maybe if you count elderly Blacks dying silently of heartbreak depression from being evicted
from their lifelong homes and separated from their community support. Maybe that form of killing might count.

See previous msg to Stephanie about how Democrats have mastered the art of using MILLIONS in taxpayers money to wipe out an ENTIRE Black district of historic churches, all legally, paying off their buddies and getting political support for office at the same time. No bullets, no bloodshed. Nothing visible to report in the media.
Everyone willing to be complicit, hush up and look the other way because developer money means elections.

Democrats destroyed the national historic district of Freedmen's Town, totally "legally" with millions of dollars exchanging hands between city and federal funding, property laundered through developer buddies, the works.
Also the entire school district of North Forest was shut down so Houston ISD could take that over as well.
Same thing, and nobody cares because the Blacks are expected to be victimized, exploited and pimped by Democrats. Everyone knows this happens, and nobody can say anything and go against Black Democrats doing it.

C. Misconception #3
Why sacrifice both the lives, rights and freedom of the victims and the shooter to make a statement?

The man could have run for office as a Democrat, commit genocide by supporting a system of welfare and prisons that everyone knows is a form of genocide against Blacks, and get paid for making political statements.

He could retire rich, and have any abuses or corruption completely excused and covered up.
All he needed was to do this as a Democrat and he'd be fine.

Too bad. If only he had known to join the Democrats, these church goers would still be alive. Giving praise to the fine work of Democrat leaders in killing off the Black community in ways that are politically acceptable.