Bribery is a loser

[Faun]

What is it you think you proved? State the conclusion

you wanted proof of an investigation and I proved there was,,at the highest level of our government,,,

Even the news thinks you're an imbecile... they say an investigation is "needed."

'Investigation' of the Bidens needed, Gregg Jarrett says

How could an investigation be needed if it's already underway??

so the transcript is a lie??? and trump wasnt looking into the bidens when he asked ukraine for help???

No, the transcript doesn't say there is an investigation -- which is why you flat out refuse to quote the transcript saying there is -- because you can't.

Exactly who do you think you're fooling with this nonsense of yours?

And why no answer to my question? Why would the news say ab investigation needed if you were lucid and there was already an investigation ongoing?

it doesnt have to say there was it was two people have a conversation not a PSA,,,but the fact that why would trump ask for help if he wasnt already looking into it,,,

"it doesnt have to say there was"

At least you finally admit it doesn't say there is an ongoing investigation.

 

[progressive hunter]

Really? You think because POTUS is the highest elected official in the country, he is not subject to little legal considerations like probable cause? And that simply asking ANOTHER country to investigate a political rival is therefore justified?

I will explain something to you. Remember how you guys keep on trying to hammer on the belief that the FISA warrants for Gates were issued without sufficient reason? That is you guys saying that career law enforcement officers having SEVERAL indications for foreign interference in the elections, don't have the right to ask a court of law in a counter-espionage case, ( which, in general, has pretty lenient conditions for starting an investigation) to start an investigation in the US. But you are arguing here that POTUS without ANY law enforcement experience or knowledge has the right to ask a FOREIGN government to investigate 2 US citizens? Without any oversight? One of which just happens to be his main political rival for the upcoming election?

sorry but your deflection is being ignored,,,

It's not a deflection at all. What it is, is me showing how you guys can't make a consistent argument if your lives would depend on it. You claim POTUS has the right to do something that falls way outside established procedure in a court of law. In fact, that memo he released would be sufficient to dismiss the case without prejudice in any US court. At the same time, your party, and unless I'm very much mistaking you to want to claim that the FBI following established legal procedure violated the rights of Gates and by extension Trump.

He knows he lost the argument. That’s why he’s not replying to me anymore. You are wasting your time. Logic doesn’t register with this guy

I havent seen anything to reply too,,,youve been talking to others,,,

Ok I’ll post it again...

since you are too insecure in your intellect to present a complete argument how about I sum it up and you can correct anything I get wrong...

You think that a phone transcript of Trump asking the Ukraine president to investigate the Biden’s proves that there is a legitimate ongoing investigation into the Biden’s.

did I get that right?

what do you mean by legitimate??

 

[Faun]

Really? You think because POTUS is the highest elected official in the country, he is not subject to little legal considerations like probable cause? And that simply asking ANOTHER country to investigate a political rival is therefore justified?

I will explain something to you. Remember how you guys keep on trying to hammer on the belief that the FISA warrants for Gates were issued without sufficient reason? That is you guys saying that career law enforcement officers having SEVERAL indications for foreign interference in the elections, don't have the right to ask a court of law in a counter-espionage case, ( which, in general, has pretty lenient conditions for starting an investigation) to start an investigation in the US. But you are arguing here that POTUS without ANY law enforcement experience or knowledge has the right to ask a FOREIGN government to investigate 2 US citizens? Without any oversight? One of which just happens to be his main political rival for the upcoming election?

sorry but your deflection is being ignored,,,

It's not a deflection at all. What it is, is me showing how you guys can't make a consistent argument if your lives would depend on it. You claim POTUS has the right to do something that falls way outside established procedure in a court of law. In fact, that memo he released would be sufficient to dismiss the case without prejudice in any US court. At the same time, your party, and unless I'm very much mistaking you to want to claim that the FBI following established legal procedure violated the rights of Gates and by extension Trump.

sorry but the topic is biden,,,

I'm on topic. That doesn't mean I can't use comparisons to show inconsistencies. I'm not talking about climate change, socialism or anything. I'm talking about your claim that the president by virtue of his position can ask or conduct I guess, any investigation he wants. Which violates all manners of due process. While at the same time the administration is going after people for not following due process or that's what they believe

It also underscores the assertion that this was a legitimate investigation into corruption is inherently flawed. Trump by not following the channels that are in place to get foreign governments to investigate crimes would have made pursuing such a case impossible.

I would like to know why you think you are so much better than the rest of us to think you can tell the POTUS how to do his job???

The law tells the POTUS how to do his job. HD violated the law and so now he's being impeached.

 

[forkup]

Really? You think because POTUS is the highest elected official in the country, he is not subject to little legal considerations like probable cause? And that simply asking ANOTHER country to investigate a political rival is therefore justified?

I will explain something to you. Remember how you guys keep on trying to hammer on the belief that the FISA warrants for Gates were issued without sufficient reason? That is you guys saying that career law enforcement officers having SEVERAL indications for foreign interference in the elections, don't have the right to ask a court of law in a counter-espionage case, ( which, in general, has pretty lenient conditions for starting an investigation) to start an investigation in the US. But you are arguing here that POTUS without ANY law enforcement experience or knowledge has the right to ask a FOREIGN government to investigate 2 US citizens? Without any oversight? One of which just happens to be his main political rival for the upcoming election?

sorry but your deflection is being ignored,,,

It's not a deflection at all. What it is, is me showing how you guys can't make a consistent argument if your lives would depend on it. You claim POTUS has the right to do something that falls way outside established procedure in a court of law. In fact, that memo he released would be sufficient to dismiss the case without prejudice in any US court. At the same time, your party, and unless I'm very much mistaking you to want to claim that the FBI following established legal procedure violated the rights of Gates and by extension Trump.

sorry but the topic is biden,,,

I'm on topic. That doesn't mean I can't use comparisons to show inconsistencies. I'm not talking about climate change, socialism or anything. I'm talking about your claim that the president by virtue of his position can ask or conduct I guess, any investigation he wants. Which violates all manners of due process. While at the same time the administration is going after people for not following due process or that's what they believe

It also underscores the assertion that this was a legitimate investigation into corruption is inherently flawed. Trump by not following the channels that are in place to get foreign governments to investigate crimes would have made pursuing such a case impossible.

I would like to know why you think you are so much better than the rest of us to think you can tell the POTUS how to do his job???

I can tell when an action is inconsistent with the stated goal. I try to look at any argument on merit and yes... yours is even worse than most I've seen on the Republican side. And sorry to tell you but at this point, I think a baby could do a better job of being POTUS. At least a baby you can give a pacifier when you want him to shut up.

 

[progressive hunter]

sorry but your deflection is being ignored,,,

It's not a deflection at all. What it is, is me showing how you guys can't make a consistent argument if your lives would depend on it. You claim POTUS has the right to do something that falls way outside established procedure in a court of law. In fact, that memo he released would be sufficient to dismiss the case without prejudice in any US court. At the same time, your party, and unless I'm very much mistaking you to want to claim that the FBI following established legal procedure violated the rights of Gates and by extension Trump.

sorry but the topic is biden,,,

I'm on topic. That doesn't mean I can't use comparisons to show inconsistencies. I'm not talking about climate change, socialism or anything. I'm talking about your claim that the president by virtue of his position can ask or conduct I guess, any investigation he wants. Which violates all manners of due process. While at the same time the administration is going after people for not following due process or that's what they believe

It also underscores the assertion that this was a legitimate investigation into corruption is inherently flawed. Trump by not following the channels that are in place to get foreign governments to investigate crimes would have made pursuing such a case impossible.

I would like to know why you think you are so much better than the rest of us to think you can tell the POTUS how to do his job???

The law tells the POTUS how to do his job. HD violated the law and so now he's being impeached.

and yet again you failed to state what law and how it controls POTUS and what law he broke,,

 

[progressive hunter]

sorry but your deflection is being ignored,,,

It's not a deflection at all. What it is, is me showing how you guys can't make a consistent argument if your lives would depend on it. You claim POTUS has the right to do something that falls way outside established procedure in a court of law. In fact, that memo he released would be sufficient to dismiss the case without prejudice in any US court. At the same time, your party, and unless I'm very much mistaking you to want to claim that the FBI following established legal procedure violated the rights of Gates and by extension Trump.

sorry but the topic is biden,,,

I'm on topic. That doesn't mean I can't use comparisons to show inconsistencies. I'm not talking about climate change, socialism or anything. I'm talking about your claim that the president by virtue of his position can ask or conduct I guess, any investigation he wants. Which violates all manners of due process. While at the same time the administration is going after people for not following due process or that's what they believe

It also underscores the assertion that this was a legitimate investigation into corruption is inherently flawed. Trump by not following the channels that are in place to get foreign governments to investigate crimes would have made pursuing such a case impossible.

I would like to know why you think you are so much better than the rest of us to think you can tell the POTUS how to do his job???

I can tell when an action is inconsistent with the stated goal. I try to look at any argument on merit and yes... yours is even worse than most I've seen on the Republican side. And sorry to tell you but at this point, I think a baby could do a better job of being POTUS. At least a baby you can give a pacifier when you want him to shut up.

Im not a republican,,,

 

[Indeependent]

I am far from a Trump supporter, however I need to call out yet another misstep from the Democrats. I posted about how Obstruction was a losing argument after the Mueller Report was released and now I see them doing it again with the Bribery claim.

I get that Bribery is in the constitution so they want to draw a simple and direct line with their charges for impeachment but what Trump did and what the context of bribery in the constitution is are two different things. By their definition, politicians and all past presidents commit bribery in the course of their foreign affairs. What Trump did was an abuse of office by dealing for personal gain, that should be the focus, not bribery. What the constitution was trying to protect from was politicians being paid to make policy... of course the lines are blurred with all the lobbying that goes on in Washington, a system that I’d happily like to see reformed, but that’s another story.

Best thing for Dems to do is wrap up the hearings. Get all the facts out with as little hyperbole as possible and then not file for impeachment but rather leave it up to the voters in next years election. Trump is as swampy as they come and he cares more about the fight than the future. I think enough people see that and will vote to end the drama and embarrassment. Let’s not make a martyr out of him by driving this impeachment train off a cliff.

I agree...
Bribing voters with free stuff is criminal.

is that what you thought I said in my OP? Wow

What YOU intended was not what bribery is.
Define bribery...
Vote for me and I’ll give you X.

 

[Indeependent]

I am far from a Trump supporter, however I need to call out yet another misstep from the Democrats. I posted about how Obstruction was a losing argument after the Mueller Report was released and now I see them doing it again with the Bribery claim.

I get that Bribery is in the constitution so they want to draw a simple and direct line with their charges for impeachment but what Trump did and what the context of bribery in the constitution is are two different things. By their definition, politicians and all past presidents commit bribery in the course of their foreign affairs. What Trump did was an abuse of office by dealing for personal gain, that should be the focus, not bribery. What the constitution was trying to protect from was politicians being paid to make policy... of course the lines are blurred with all the lobbying that goes on in Washington, a system that I’d happily like to see reformed, but that’s another story.

Best thing for Dems to do is wrap up the hearings. Get all the facts out with as little hyperbole as possible and then not file for impeachment but rather leave it up to the voters in next years election. Trump is as swampy as they come and he cares more about the fight than the future. I think enough people see that and will vote to end the drama and embarrassment. Let’s not make a martyr out of him by driving this impeachment train off a cliff.

I agree...
Bribing voters with free stuff is criminal.

wouldnt that end the democrat party???

Yes.

 

[forkup]

It's not a deflection at all. What it is, is me showing how you guys can't make a consistent argument if your lives would depend on it. You claim POTUS has the right to do something that falls way outside established procedure in a court of law. In fact, that memo he released would be sufficient to dismiss the case without prejudice in any US court. At the same time, your party, and unless I'm very much mistaking you to want to claim that the FBI following established legal procedure violated the rights of Gates and by extension Trump.

sorry but the topic is biden,,,

I'm on topic. That doesn't mean I can't use comparisons to show inconsistencies. I'm not talking about climate change, socialism or anything. I'm talking about your claim that the president by virtue of his position can ask or conduct I guess, any investigation he wants. Which violates all manners of due process. While at the same time the administration is going after people for not following due process or that's what they believe

It also underscores the assertion that this was a legitimate investigation into corruption is inherently flawed. Trump by not following the channels that are in place to get foreign governments to investigate crimes would have made pursuing such a case impossible.

I would like to know why you think you are so much better than the rest of us to think you can tell the POTUS how to do his job???

The law tells the POTUS how to do his job. HD violated the law and so now he's being impeached.

and yet again you failed to state what law and how it controls POTUS and what law he broke,,

1. 18 U.S.C. § 201(b): Whoever— (2) being a public official or person selected to be a public official, directly or indirectly, corruptly demands, seeks, receives, accepts, or agrees to receive or accept anything of value personally or for any other person or entity, in return for: (A) being influenced in the performance of any official act;

2.) Prohibition
It shall be unlawful for-
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or
(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or
(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.



18 U.S.C. § 1505, however, a defendant can be convicted of obstruction of justice by obstructing a pending proceeding before Congress or a federal administrative agency.

Specific enough?

 

[forkup]

It's not a deflection at all. What it is, is me showing how you guys can't make a consistent argument if your lives would depend on it. You claim POTUS has the right to do something that falls way outside established procedure in a court of law. In fact, that memo he released would be sufficient to dismiss the case without prejudice in any US court. At the same time, your party, and unless I'm very much mistaking you to want to claim that the FBI following established legal procedure violated the rights of Gates and by extension Trump.

sorry but the topic is biden,,,

I'm on topic. That doesn't mean I can't use comparisons to show inconsistencies. I'm not talking about climate change, socialism or anything. I'm talking about your claim that the president by virtue of his position can ask or conduct I guess, any investigation he wants. Which violates all manners of due process. While at the same time the administration is going after people for not following due process or that's what they believe

It also underscores the assertion that this was a legitimate investigation into corruption is inherently flawed. Trump by not following the channels that are in place to get foreign governments to investigate crimes would have made pursuing such a case impossible.

I would like to know why you think you are so much better than the rest of us to think you can tell the POTUS how to do his job???

I can tell when an action is inconsistent with the stated goal. I try to look at any argument on merit and yes... yours is even worse than most I've seen on the Republican side. And sorry to tell you but at this point, I think a baby could do a better job of being POTUS. At least a baby you can give a pacifier when you want him to shut up.

Im not a republican,,,

Fine then, it doesn't make the argument any smarter.

 

[Slade3200]

sorry but your deflection is being ignored,,,

It's not a deflection at all. What it is, is me showing how you guys can't make a consistent argument if your lives would depend on it. You claim POTUS has the right to do something that falls way outside established procedure in a court of law. In fact, that memo he released would be sufficient to dismiss the case without prejudice in any US court. At the same time, your party, and unless I'm very much mistaking you to want to claim that the FBI following established legal procedure violated the rights of Gates and by extension Trump.

He knows he lost the argument. That’s why he’s not replying to me anymore. You are wasting your time. Logic doesn’t register with this guy

I havent seen anything to reply too,,,youve been talking to others,,,

Ok I’ll post it again...

since you are too insecure in your intellect to present a complete argument how about I sum it up and you can correct anything I get wrong...

You think that a phone transcript of Trump asking the Ukraine president to investigate the Biden’s proves that there is a legitimate ongoing investigation into the Biden’s.

did I get that right?

what do you mean by legitimate??

Legitimate means legal and proper.

 

[progressive hunter]

sorry but the topic is biden,,,

I'm on topic. That doesn't mean I can't use comparisons to show inconsistencies. I'm not talking about climate change, socialism or anything. I'm talking about your claim that the president by virtue of his position can ask or conduct I guess, any investigation he wants. Which violates all manners of due process. While at the same time the administration is going after people for not following due process or that's what they believe

It also underscores the assertion that this was a legitimate investigation into corruption is inherently flawed. Trump by not following the channels that are in place to get foreign governments to investigate crimes would have made pursuing such a case impossible.

I would like to know why you think you are so much better than the rest of us to think you can tell the POTUS how to do his job???

The law tells the POTUS how to do his job. HD violated the law and so now he's being impeached.

and yet again you failed to state what law and how it controls POTUS and what law he broke,,

1. 18 U.S.C. § 201(b): Whoever— (2) being a public official or person selected to be a public official, directly or indirectly, corruptly demands, seeks, receives, accepts, or agrees to receive or accept anything of value personally or for any other person or entity, in return for: (A) being influenced in the performance of any official act;

2.) Prohibition
It shall be unlawful for-
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or
(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or
(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.



18 U.S.C. § 1505, however, a defendant can be convicted of obstruction of justice by obstructing a pending proceeding before Congress or a federal administrative agency.

Specific enough?

thank the lord none of that happened,,,

 

[Slade3200]

I am far from a Trump supporter, however I need to call out yet another misstep from the Democrats. I posted about how Obstruction was a losing argument after the Mueller Report was released and now I see them doing it again with the Bribery claim.

I get that Bribery is in the constitution so they want to draw a simple and direct line with their charges for impeachment but what Trump did and what the context of bribery in the constitution is are two different things. By their definition, politicians and all past presidents commit bribery in the course of their foreign affairs. What Trump did was an abuse of office by dealing for personal gain, that should be the focus, not bribery. What the constitution was trying to protect from was politicians being paid to make policy... of course the lines are blurred with all the lobbying that goes on in Washington, a system that I’d happily like to see reformed, but that’s another story.

Best thing for Dems to do is wrap up the hearings. Get all the facts out with as little hyperbole as possible and then not file for impeachment but rather leave it up to the voters in next years election. Trump is as swampy as they come and he cares more about the fight than the future. I think enough people see that and will vote to end the drama and embarrassment. Let’s not make a martyr out of him by driving this impeachment train off a cliff.

I agree...
Bribing voters with free stuff is criminal.

is that what you thought I said in my OP? Wow

What YOU intended was not what bribery is.
Define bribery...
Vote for me and I’ll give you X.

Are you being serious? I can’t tell if I should be wasting my time on this

 

[Faun]

It's not a deflection at all. What it is, is me showing how you guys can't make a consistent argument if your lives would depend on it. You claim POTUS has the right to do something that falls way outside established procedure in a court of law. In fact, that memo he released would be sufficient to dismiss the case without prejudice in any US court. At the same time, your party, and unless I'm very much mistaking you to want to claim that the FBI following established legal procedure violated the rights of Gates and by extension Trump.

sorry but the topic is biden,,,

I'm on topic. That doesn't mean I can't use comparisons to show inconsistencies. I'm not talking about climate change, socialism or anything. I'm talking about your claim that the president by virtue of his position can ask or conduct I guess, any investigation he wants. Which violates all manners of due process. While at the same time the administration is going after people for not following due process or that's what they believe

It also underscores the assertion that this was a legitimate investigation into corruption is inherently flawed. Trump by not following the channels that are in place to get foreign governments to investigate crimes would have made pursuing such a case impossible.

I would like to know why you think you are so much better than the rest of us to think you can tell the POTUS how to do his job???

The law tells the POTUS how to do his job. HD violated the law and so now he's being impeached.

and yet again you failed to state what law and how it controls POTUS and what law he broke,,

Liar. I've shown this repeatedly. Here, I'll do it again...

The law...

§30121 Contributions and donations by foreign nationals

(a) Prohibition

It shall be unlawful for-

(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-

(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;

(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or

(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or​

(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.​

​

The law prohibits soliciting a foreign national for campaign contributions. Services are contributions. Providing an investigation is providing a service. Taking out a political rival is also a thing of value. And here's Trump soliciting a foreign national for such a campaign contribution...

"The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it..​

 

[progressive hunter]

It's not a deflection at all. What it is, is me showing how you guys can't make a consistent argument if your lives would depend on it. You claim POTUS has the right to do something that falls way outside established procedure in a court of law. In fact, that memo he released would be sufficient to dismiss the case without prejudice in any US court. At the same time, your party, and unless I'm very much mistaking you to want to claim that the FBI following established legal procedure violated the rights of Gates and by extension Trump.

He knows he lost the argument. That’s why he’s not replying to me anymore. You are wasting your time. Logic doesn’t register with this guy

I havent seen anything to reply too,,,youve been talking to others,,,

Ok I’ll post it again...

since you are too insecure in your intellect to present a complete argument how about I sum it up and you can correct anything I get wrong...

You think that a phone transcript of Trump asking the Ukraine president to investigate the Biden’s proves that there is a legitimate ongoing investigation into the Biden’s.

did I get that right?

what do you mean by legitimate??

Legitimate means legal and proper.

well its legaland proper for a POTUS to run an investigation out of the oval office,,

I hope that satisfys you???

let me know if I can help you further,,

 

[Faun]

I'm on topic. That doesn't mean I can't use comparisons to show inconsistencies. I'm not talking about climate change, socialism or anything. I'm talking about your claim that the president by virtue of his position can ask or conduct I guess, any investigation he wants. Which violates all manners of due process. While at the same time the administration is going after people for not following due process or that's what they believe

It also underscores the assertion that this was a legitimate investigation into corruption is inherently flawed. Trump by not following the channels that are in place to get foreign governments to investigate crimes would have made pursuing such a case impossible.

I would like to know why you think you are so much better than the rest of us to think you can tell the POTUS how to do his job???

The law tells the POTUS how to do his job. HD violated the law and so now he's being impeached.

and yet again you failed to state what law and how it controls POTUS and what law he broke,,

1. 18 U.S.C. § 201(b): Whoever— (2) being a public official or person selected to be a public official, directly or indirectly, corruptly demands, seeks, receives, accepts, or agrees to receive or accept anything of value personally or for any other person or entity, in return for: (A) being influenced in the performance of any official act;

2.) Prohibition
It shall be unlawful for-
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or
(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or
(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.



18 U.S.C. § 1505, however, a defendant can be convicted of obstruction of justice by obstructing a pending proceeding before Congress or a federal administrative agency.

Specific enough?

thank the lord none of that happened,,,

LOL

Denial is not a river.

"The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it.."​

 

[progressive hunter]

sorry but the topic is biden,,,

I'm on topic. That doesn't mean I can't use comparisons to show inconsistencies. I'm not talking about climate change, socialism or anything. I'm talking about your claim that the president by virtue of his position can ask or conduct I guess, any investigation he wants. Which violates all manners of due process. While at the same time the administration is going after people for not following due process or that's what they believe

It also underscores the assertion that this was a legitimate investigation into corruption is inherently flawed. Trump by not following the channels that are in place to get foreign governments to investigate crimes would have made pursuing such a case impossible.

I would like to know why you think you are so much better than the rest of us to think you can tell the POTUS how to do his job???

The law tells the POTUS how to do his job. HD violated the law and so now he's being impeached.

and yet again you failed to state what law and how it controls POTUS and what law he broke,,

Liar. I've shown this repeatedly. Here, I'll do it again...

The law...

§30121 Contributions and donations by foreign nationals

(a) Prohibition

It shall be unlawful for-

(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-

(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;

(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or

(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or​

(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.
​

The law prohibits soliciting a foreign national for campaign contributions. Services are contributions. Providing an investigation is providing a service. Taking out a political rival is also a thing of value. And here's Trump soliciting a foreign national for such a campaign contribution...

"The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it..​

that would have meaning if it wasnt for the fact the constitution requires POTUS to look into any corruption regardless of who it is,, so running for office doesnt protect you in that case,,,

 

[Slade3200]

He knows he lost the argument. That’s why he’s not replying to me anymore. You are wasting your time. Logic doesn’t register with this guy

I havent seen anything to reply too,,,youve been talking to others,,,

Ok I’ll post it again...

since you are too insecure in your intellect to present a complete argument how about I sum it up and you can correct anything I get wrong...

You think that a phone transcript of Trump asking the Ukraine president to investigate the Biden’s proves that there is a legitimate ongoing investigation into the Biden’s.

did I get that right?

what do you mean by legitimate??

Legitimate means legal and proper.

well its legaland proper for a POTUS to run an investigation out of the oval office,,

I hope that satisfys you???

let me know if I can help you further,,

How exactly does POTUS run an investigation out of the oval? Actually no, forget about that question. Just clarify for me that what you’ve been talking about this whole time is Trump running his own investigation out of the oval into the Biden’s. Is that the point you’ve been trying to make?

 

[Faun]

I'm on topic. That doesn't mean I can't use comparisons to show inconsistencies. I'm not talking about climate change, socialism or anything. I'm talking about your claim that the president by virtue of his position can ask or conduct I guess, any investigation he wants. Which violates all manners of due process. While at the same time the administration is going after people for not following due process or that's what they believe

It also underscores the assertion that this was a legitimate investigation into corruption is inherently flawed. Trump by not following the channels that are in place to get foreign governments to investigate crimes would have made pursuing such a case impossible.

I would like to know why you think you are so much better than the rest of us to think you can tell the POTUS how to do his job???

The law tells the POTUS how to do his job. HD violated the law and so now he's being impeached.

and yet again you failed to state what law and how it controls POTUS and what law he broke,,

Liar. I've shown this repeatedly. Here, I'll do it again...

The law...

§30121 Contributions and donations by foreign nationals

(a) Prohibition

It shall be unlawful for-

(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-

(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;

(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or

(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or​

(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.​

The law prohibits soliciting a foreign national for campaign contributions. Services are contributions. Providing an investigation is providing a service. Taking out a political rival is also a thing of value. And here's Trump soliciting a foreign national for such a campaign contribution...

"The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it..​

that would have meaning if it wasnt for the fact the constitution requires POTUS to look into any corruption regardless of who it is,, so running for office doesnt protect you in that case,,,

Oh? Quote where the Constitution states the POTUS is required to look into corruption in Ukraine??

 

[Oldstyle]

I am far from a Trump supporter, however I need to call out yet another misstep from the Democrats. I posted about how Obstruction was a losing argument after the Mueller Report was released and now I see them doing it again with the Bribery claim.

I get that Bribery is in the constitution so they want to draw a simple and direct line with their charges for impeachment but what Trump did and what the context of bribery in the constitution is are two different things. By their definition, politicians and all past presidents commit bribery in the course of their foreign affairs. What Trump did was an abuse of office by dealing for personal gain, that should be the focus, not bribery. What the constitution was trying to protect from was politicians being paid to make policy... of course the lines are blurred with all the lobbying that goes on in Washington, a system that I’d happily like to see reformed, but that’s another story.

Best thing for Dems to do is wrap up the hearings. Get all the facts out with as little hyperbole as possible and then not file for impeachment but rather leave it up to the voters in next years election. Trump is as swampy as they come and he cares more about the fight than the future. I think enough people see that and will vote to end the drama and embarrassment. Let’s not make a martyr out of him by driving this impeachment train off a cliff.

With all due respect, Slade..."abuse of office by dealing for personal gain" is as big a loser as "bribery"! Trump was doing what all Presidents do. Why anyone on the left thinks Joe Biden being knocked out of the race is some huge "personal gain" for Trump mystifies me! What is "Hair Plugs" polling at now...fifth? He's been an abysmal candidate who's run for President so often it's become a running joke guessing at what point he'll put his foot in his mouth with an incredibly stupid comment that knocks him out of the race! It's who he is...it's what he does!