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Oh? Quote where the Constitution states the POTUS is required to look into corruption in Ukraine??Liar. I've shown this repeatedly. Here, I'll do it again...and yet again you failed to state what law and how it controls POTUS and what law he broke,,The law tells the POTUS how to do his job. HD violated the law and so now he's being impeached.I would like to know why you think you are so much better than the rest of us to think you can tell the POTUS how to do his job???
The law...
§30121 Contributions and donations by foreign nationals
(a) Prohibition
It shall be unlawful for-
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-The law prohibits soliciting a foreign national for campaign contributions. Services are contributions. Providing an investigation is providing a service. Taking out a political rival is also a thing of value. And here's Trump soliciting a foreign national for such a campaign contribution...
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.
(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or
(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or
"The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it..
that would have meaning if it wasnt for the fact the constitution requires POTUS to look into any corruption regardless of who it is,, so running for office doesnt protect you in that case,,,
Show me where it's prohibited in the Constitution for a sitting President to look into corruption by a US government employee anywhere!
from the documents I've seen it was more about the DNC/Ukraine collusion,, until joe shot his mouth off and got himself mixed up into it,,,joe was an after thought,,How exactly does POTUS run an investigation out of the oval? Actually no, forget about that question. Just clarify for me that what you’ve been talking about this whole time is Trump running his own investigation out of the oval into the Biden’s. Is that the point you’ve been trying to make?well its legaland proper for a POTUS to run an investigation out of the oval office,,Legitimate means legal and proper.Ok I’ll post it again...I havent seen anything to reply too,,,youve been talking to others,,,
since you are too insecure in your intellect to present a complete argument how about I sum it up and you can correct anything I get wrong...
You think that a phone transcript of Trump asking the Ukraine president to investigate the Biden’s proves that there is a legitimate ongoing investigation into the Biden’s.
did I get that right?
what do you mean by legitimate??
I hope that satisfys you???
let me know if I can help you further,,
WRONG!!!Show me where it's prohibited in the Constitution for a sitting President to look into corruption by a US government employee anywhere!
Except that wasn't what he was doing.
He asked the Ukraine to smear Biden on an issue they considered closed.
i disagree, I think Biden wipes the floor with Trump and I think Trump is very worried.I am far from a Trump supporter, however I need to call out yet another misstep from the Democrats. I posted about how Obstruction was a losing argument after the Mueller Report was released and now I see them doing it again with the Bribery claim.
I get that Bribery is in the constitution so they want to draw a simple and direct line with their charges for impeachment but what Trump did and what the context of bribery in the constitution is are two different things. By their definition, politicians and all past presidents commit bribery in the course of their foreign affairs. What Trump did was an abuse of office by dealing for personal gain, that should be the focus, not bribery. What the constitution was trying to protect from was politicians being paid to make policy... of course the lines are blurred with all the lobbying that goes on in Washington, a system that I’d happily like to see reformed, but that’s another story.
Best thing for Dems to do is wrap up the hearings. Get all the facts out with as little hyperbole as possible and then not file for impeachment but rather leave it up to the voters in next years election. Trump is as swampy as they come and he cares more about the fight than the future. I think enough people see that and will vote to end the drama and embarrassment. Let’s not make a martyr out of him by driving this impeachment train off a cliff.
With all due respect, Slade..."abuse of office by dealing for personal gain" is as big a loser as "bribery"! Trump was doing what all Presidents do. Why anyone on the left thinks Joe Biden being knocked out of the race is some huge "personal gain" for Trump mystifies me! What is "Hair Plugs" polling at now...fifth? He's been an abysmal candidate who's run for President so often it's become a running joke guessing at what point he'll put his foot in his mouth with an incredibly stupid comment that knocks him out of the race! It's who he is...it's what he does!
Have you seen documents about a Biden investigation? Or are you just going off the phone call when Trump asked Ukraine to investigate?from the documents I've seen it was more about the DNC/Ukraine collusion,, until joe shot his mouth off and got himself mixed up into it,,,joe was an after thought,,How exactly does POTUS run an investigation out of the oval? Actually no, forget about that question. Just clarify for me that what you’ve been talking about this whole time is Trump running his own investigation out of the oval into the Biden’s. Is that the point you’ve been trying to make?well its legaland proper for a POTUS to run an investigation out of the oval office,,Legitimate means legal and proper.Ok I’ll post it again...
since you are too insecure in your intellect to present a complete argument how about I sum it up and you can correct anything I get wrong...
You think that a phone transcript of Trump asking the Ukraine president to investigate the Biden’s proves that there is a legitimate ongoing investigation into the Biden’s.
did I get that right?
what do you mean by legitimate??
I hope that satisfys you???
let me know if I can help you further,,
i disagree, I think Biden wipes the floor with Trump and I think Trump is very worried.I am far from a Trump supporter, however I need to call out yet another misstep from the Democrats. I posted about how Obstruction was a losing argument after the Mueller Report was released and now I see them doing it again with the Bribery claim.
I get that Bribery is in the constitution so they want to draw a simple and direct line with their charges for impeachment but what Trump did and what the context of bribery in the constitution is are two different things. By their definition, politicians and all past presidents commit bribery in the course of their foreign affairs. What Trump did was an abuse of office by dealing for personal gain, that should be the focus, not bribery. What the constitution was trying to protect from was politicians being paid to make policy... of course the lines are blurred with all the lobbying that goes on in Washington, a system that I’d happily like to see reformed, but that’s another story.
Best thing for Dems to do is wrap up the hearings. Get all the facts out with as little hyperbole as possible and then not file for impeachment but rather leave it up to the voters in next years election. Trump is as swampy as they come and he cares more about the fight than the future. I think enough people see that and will vote to end the drama and embarrassment. Let’s not make a martyr out of him by driving this impeachment train off a cliff.
With all due respect, Slade..."abuse of office by dealing for personal gain" is as big a loser as "bribery"! Trump was doing what all Presidents do. Why anyone on the left thinks Joe Biden being knocked out of the race is some huge "personal gain" for Trump mystifies me! What is "Hair Plugs" polling at now...fifth? He's been an abysmal candidate who's run for President so often it's become a running joke guessing at what point he'll put his foot in his mouth with an incredibly stupid comment that knocks him out of the race! It's who he is...it's what he does!
Have you seen documents about a Biden investigation? Or are you just going off the phone call when Trump asked Ukraine to investigate?from the documents I've seen it was more about the DNC/Ukraine collusion,, until joe shot his mouth off and got himself mixed up into it,,,joe was an after thought,,How exactly does POTUS run an investigation out of the oval? Actually no, forget about that question. Just clarify for me that what you’ve been talking about this whole time is Trump running his own investigation out of the oval into the Biden’s. Is that the point you’ve been trying to make?well its legaland proper for a POTUS to run an investigation out of the oval office,,Legitimate means legal and proper.what do you mean by legitimate??
I hope that satisfys you???
let me know if I can help you further,,
Show me where it's prohibited in the Constitution for a sitting President to look into corruption by a US government employee anywhere!
Except that wasn't what he was doing.
He asked the Ukraine to smear Biden on an issue they considered closed.
"Trump was doing what all Presidents do."I am far from a Trump supporter, however I need to call out yet another misstep from the Democrats. I posted about how Obstruction was a losing argument after the Mueller Report was released and now I see them doing it again with the Bribery claim.
I get that Bribery is in the constitution so they want to draw a simple and direct line with their charges for impeachment but what Trump did and what the context of bribery in the constitution is are two different things. By their definition, politicians and all past presidents commit bribery in the course of their foreign affairs. What Trump did was an abuse of office by dealing for personal gain, that should be the focus, not bribery. What the constitution was trying to protect from was politicians being paid to make policy... of course the lines are blurred with all the lobbying that goes on in Washington, a system that I’d happily like to see reformed, but that’s another story.
Best thing for Dems to do is wrap up the hearings. Get all the facts out with as little hyperbole as possible and then not file for impeachment but rather leave it up to the voters in next years election. Trump is as swampy as they come and he cares more about the fight than the future. I think enough people see that and will vote to end the drama and embarrassment. Let’s not make a martyr out of him by driving this impeachment train off a cliff.
With all due respect, Slade..."abuse of office by dealing for personal gain" is as big a loser as "bribery"! Trump was doing what all Presidents do. Why anyone on the left thinks Joe Biden being knocked out of the race is some huge "personal gain" for Trump mystifies me! What is "Hair Plugs" polling at now...fifth? He's been an abysmal candidate who's run for President so often it's become a running joke guessing at what point he'll put his foot in his mouth with an incredibly stupid comment that knocks him out of the race! It's who he is...it's what he does!
the documents show the investigation started well into last yr,,,
A president is Constitutionally authorized to ensure U.S. laws are faithfully executed. It doesn't authorize a president to ensure Ukrainian laws are faithfully executed.Oh? Quote where the Constitution states the POTUS is required to look into corruption in Ukraine??Liar. I've shown this repeatedly. Here, I'll do it again...and yet again you failed to state what law and how it controls POTUS and what law he broke,,The law tells the POTUS how to do his job. HD violated the law and so now he's being impeached.
The law...
§30121 Contributions and donations by foreign nationals
(a) Prohibition
It shall be unlawful for-
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make-The law prohibits soliciting a foreign national for campaign contributions. Services are contributions. Providing an investigation is providing a service. Taking out a political rival is also a thing of value. And here's Trump soliciting a foreign national for such a campaign contribution...
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.
(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or
(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or
"The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it..
that would have meaning if it wasnt for the fact the constitution requires POTUS to look into any corruption regardless of who it is,, so running for office doesnt protect you in that case,,,
Show me where it's prohibited in the Constitution for a sitting President to look into corruption by a US government employee anywhere!
What a pity you can't prove that's wrong.WRONG!!!Show me where it's prohibited in the Constitution for a sitting President to look into corruption by a US government employee anywhere!
Except that wasn't what he was doing.
He asked the Ukraine to smear Biden on an issue they considered closed.
at this point if you are that ignorant to all the links that have been posted you are not qualified to be in any debate on the subject,,the documents show the investigation started well into last yr,,,
What documents?
What investigation?
Shokin admitted there was none
already have,,What a pity you can't prove that's wrong.WRONG!!!Show me where it's prohibited in the Constitution for a sitting President to look into corruption by a US government employee anywhere!
Except that wasn't what he was doing.
He asked the Ukraine to smear Biden on an issue they considered closed.
yes I do, I think 8 years as VP has given him the credibility he needs to take it.i disagree, I think Biden wipes the floor with Trump and I think Trump is very worried.I am far from a Trump supporter, however I need to call out yet another misstep from the Democrats. I posted about how Obstruction was a losing argument after the Mueller Report was released and now I see them doing it again with the Bribery claim.
I get that Bribery is in the constitution so they want to draw a simple and direct line with their charges for impeachment but what Trump did and what the context of bribery in the constitution is are two different things. By their definition, politicians and all past presidents commit bribery in the course of their foreign affairs. What Trump did was an abuse of office by dealing for personal gain, that should be the focus, not bribery. What the constitution was trying to protect from was politicians being paid to make policy... of course the lines are blurred with all the lobbying that goes on in Washington, a system that I’d happily like to see reformed, but that’s another story.
Best thing for Dems to do is wrap up the hearings. Get all the facts out with as little hyperbole as possible and then not file for impeachment but rather leave it up to the voters in next years election. Trump is as swampy as they come and he cares more about the fight than the future. I think enough people see that and will vote to end the drama and embarrassment. Let’s not make a martyr out of him by driving this impeachment train off a cliff.
With all due respect, Slade..."abuse of office by dealing for personal gain" is as big a loser as "bribery"! Trump was doing what all Presidents do. Why anyone on the left thinks Joe Biden being knocked out of the race is some huge "personal gain" for Trump mystifies me! What is "Hair Plugs" polling at now...fifth? He's been an abysmal candidate who's run for President so often it's become a running joke guessing at what point he'll put his foot in his mouth with an incredibly stupid comment that knocks him out of the race! It's who he is...it's what he does!
Come on...Biden has been running for President since the Watergate Hearings, Slade! He ALWAYS does or says something so stupid that people just laugh at him and move on to another candidate. You honestly think Biden has a chance to win the Democratic Primary?
will post a link to the documents so I can take a look?Have you seen documents about a Biden investigation? Or are you just going off the phone call when Trump asked Ukraine to investigate?from the documents I've seen it was more about the DNC/Ukraine collusion,, until joe shot his mouth off and got himself mixed up into it,,,joe was an after thought,,How exactly does POTUS run an investigation out of the oval? Actually no, forget about that question. Just clarify for me that what you’ve been talking about this whole time is Trump running his own investigation out of the oval into the Biden’s. Is that the point you’ve been trying to make?well its legaland proper for a POTUS to run an investigation out of the oval office,,Legitimate means legal and proper.
I hope that satisfys you???
let me know if I can help you further,,
the phone call is the confirmation of biden being included in the investigation,,,
the documents show the investigation started well into last yr,,,
already have,,, many times,,will post a link to the documents so I can take a look?Have you seen documents about a Biden investigation? Or are you just going off the phone call when Trump asked Ukraine to investigate?from the documents I've seen it was more about the DNC/Ukraine collusion,, until joe shot his mouth off and got himself mixed up into it,,,joe was an after thought,,How exactly does POTUS run an investigation out of the oval? Actually no, forget about that question. Just clarify for me that what you’ve been talking about this whole time is Trump running his own investigation out of the oval into the Biden’s. Is that the point you’ve been trying to make?well its legaland proper for a POTUS to run an investigation out of the oval office,,
I hope that satisfys you???
let me know if I can help you further,,
the phone call is the confirmation of biden being included in the investigation,,,
the documents show the investigation started well into last yr,,,
I’m being serious, you’re being childish.Are you being serious? I can’t tell if I should be wasting my time on thisWhat YOU intended was not what bribery is.is that what you thought I said in my OP? WowI agree...I am far from a Trump supporter, however I need to call out yet another misstep from the Democrats. I posted about how Obstruction was a losing argument after the Mueller Report was released and now I see them doing it again with the Bribery claim.
I get that Bribery is in the constitution so they want to draw a simple and direct line with their charges for impeachment but what Trump did and what the context of bribery in the constitution is are two different things. By their definition, politicians and all past presidents commit bribery in the course of their foreign affairs. What Trump did was an abuse of office by dealing for personal gain, that should be the focus, not bribery. What the constitution was trying to protect from was politicians being paid to make policy... of course the lines are blurred with all the lobbying that goes on in Washington, a system that I’d happily like to see reformed, but that’s another story.
Best thing for Dems to do is wrap up the hearings. Get all the facts out with as little hyperbole as possible and then not file for impeachment but rather leave it up to the voters in next years election. Trump is as swampy as they come and he cares more about the fight than the future. I think enough people see that and will vote to end the drama and embarrassment. Let’s not make a martyr out of him by driving this impeachment train off a cliff.
Bribing voters with free stuff is criminal.
Define bribery...
Vote for me and I’ll give you X.
Uh, no, Biden is polling first against all other Democrats...I am far from a Trump supporter, however I need to call out yet another misstep from the Democrats. I posted about how Obstruction was a losing argument after the Mueller Report was released and now I see them doing it again with the Bribery claim.
I get that Bribery is in the constitution so they want to draw a simple and direct line with their charges for impeachment but what Trump did and what the context of bribery in the constitution is are two different things. By their definition, politicians and all past presidents commit bribery in the course of their foreign affairs. What Trump did was an abuse of office by dealing for personal gain, that should be the focus, not bribery. What the constitution was trying to protect from was politicians being paid to make policy... of course the lines are blurred with all the lobbying that goes on in Washington, a system that I’d happily like to see reformed, but that’s another story.
Best thing for Dems to do is wrap up the hearings. Get all the facts out with as little hyperbole as possible and then not file for impeachment but rather leave it up to the voters in next years election. Trump is as swampy as they come and he cares more about the fight than the future. I think enough people see that and will vote to end the drama and embarrassment. Let’s not make a martyr out of him by driving this impeachment train off a cliff.
With all due respect, Slade..."abuse of office by dealing for personal gain" is as big a loser as "bribery"! Trump was doing what all Presidents do. Why anyone on the left thinks Joe Biden being knocked out of the race is some huge "personal gain" for Trump mystifies me! What is "Hair Plugs" polling at now...fifth? He's been an abysmal candidate who's run for President so often it's become a running joke guessing at what point he'll put his foot in his mouth with an incredibly stupid comment that knocks him out of the race! It's who he is...it's what he does!
