Bribery is a loser

[progressive hunter]

Liar, you posted links to videos, not documents.

oh he was talking about wingnut videos?! Haha. No wonder. I don’t watch that shit but I’ll happily look at any source material that he can provide.

that explains your ignorance,,,

You think I’m ignorant because I don’t watch wingnuts videos. Well I guess you have a point there but my ignorance would them only apply to distorted propaganda. We are talking about verifyable facts though. Do you have any of those to share or are propaganda videos all you got

dont you think FOIA documents are credible???

because most of them are,,,

its your choice to remain ignorant not mine,,,

Well post them then... Jesus. Why do you waste so much time with these pointless posts with zero substance. It just makes you look like you got nothing. Prove me wrong, post the documents

wrong about what???
youve asked and said a lot of crazy stuff and its hard to keep it all straight,,,

 

[Jitss617]

Finally democrats like slade get it

 

[Oldstyle]

I am far from a Trump supporter, however I need to call out yet another misstep from the Democrats. I posted about how Obstruction was a losing argument after the Mueller Report was released and now I see them doing it again with the Bribery claim.

I get that Bribery is in the constitution so they want to draw a simple and direct line with their charges for impeachment but what Trump did and what the context of bribery in the constitution is are two different things. By their definition, politicians and all past presidents commit bribery in the course of their foreign affairs. What Trump did was an abuse of office by dealing for personal gain, that should be the focus, not bribery. What the constitution was trying to protect from was politicians being paid to make policy... of course the lines are blurred with all the lobbying that goes on in Washington, a system that I’d happily like to see reformed, but that’s another story.

Best thing for Dems to do is wrap up the hearings. Get all the facts out with as little hyperbole as possible and then not file for impeachment but rather leave it up to the voters in next years election. Trump is as swampy as they come and he cares more about the fight than the future. I think enough people see that and will vote to end the drama and embarrassment. Let’s not make a martyr out of him by driving this impeachment train off a cliff.

With all due respect, Slade..."abuse of office by dealing for personal gain" is as big a loser as "bribery"! Trump was doing what all Presidents do. Why anyone on the left thinks Joe Biden being knocked out of the race is some huge "personal gain" for Trump mystifies me! What is "Hair Plugs" polling at now...fifth? He's been an abysmal candidate who's run for President so often it's become a running joke guessing at what point he'll put his foot in his mouth with an incredibly stupid comment that knocks him out of the race! It's who he is...it's what he does!

i disagree, I think Biden wipes the floor with Trump and I think Trump is very worried.

Come on...Biden has been running for President since the Watergate Hearings, Slade! He ALWAYS does or says something so stupid that people just laugh at him and move on to another candidate. You honestly think Biden has a chance to win the Democratic Primary?

yes I do, I think 8 years as VP has given him the credibility he needs to take it.

What has Joe Biden done in those 8 years that makes you think he deserves to be President? Other than enrich his family of course...

 

[Slade3200]

oh he was talking about wingnut videos?! Haha. No wonder. I don’t watch that shit but I’ll happily look at any source material that he can provide.

that explains your ignorance,,,

You think I’m ignorant because I don’t watch wingnuts videos. Well I guess you have a point there but my ignorance would them only apply to distorted propaganda. We are talking about verifyable facts though. Do you have any of those to share or are propaganda videos all you got

dont you think FOIA documents are credible???

because most of them are,,,

its your choice to remain ignorant not mine,,,

Well post them then... Jesus. Why do you waste so much time with these pointless posts with zero substance. It just makes you look like you got nothing. Prove me wrong, post the documents

wrong about what???
youve asked and said a lot of crazy stuff and its hard to keep it all straight,,,

I dont think you have documents proving there is a legit investigation into the Biden’s. You said you posted them. I don’t remember seeing them so post them right now and prove me wrong.

 

[Oldstyle]

I am far from a Trump supporter, however I need to call out yet another misstep from the Democrats. I posted about how Obstruction was a losing argument after the Mueller Report was released and now I see them doing it again with the Bribery claim.

I get that Bribery is in the constitution so they want to draw a simple and direct line with their charges for impeachment but what Trump did and what the context of bribery in the constitution is are two different things. By their definition, politicians and all past presidents commit bribery in the course of their foreign affairs. What Trump did was an abuse of office by dealing for personal gain, that should be the focus, not bribery. What the constitution was trying to protect from was politicians being paid to make policy... of course the lines are blurred with all the lobbying that goes on in Washington, a system that I’d happily like to see reformed, but that’s another story.

Best thing for Dems to do is wrap up the hearings. Get all the facts out with as little hyperbole as possible and then not file for impeachment but rather leave it up to the voters in next years election. Trump is as swampy as they come and he cares more about the fight than the future. I think enough people see that and will vote to end the drama and embarrassment. Let’s not make a martyr out of him by driving this impeachment train off a cliff.

With all due respect, Slade..."abuse of office by dealing for personal gain" is as big a loser as "bribery"! Trump was doing what all Presidents do. Why anyone on the left thinks Joe Biden being knocked out of the race is some huge "personal gain" for Trump mystifies me! What is "Hair Plugs" polling at now...fifth? He's been an abysmal candidate who's run for President so often it's become a running joke guessing at what point he'll put his foot in his mouth with an incredibly stupid comment that knocks him out of the race! It's who he is...it's what he does!

Uh, no, Biden is polling first against all other Democrats...

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - 2020 Democratic Presidential Nomination

... and first against Trump ...

RealClearPolitics - 2020 - Latest National General Election Polls

"What is "Hair Plugs"..."

LOLOLOLOLOL

Just how fucking rightarded do you have to be to attack Biden's hair when you're a Trump supporter?? You know, the guy who takes a hair-growth drug and dyes his hair blond ... while he spray tans the rest of himself orange .

That isn't Biden polling first against other Democrats...that's Biden polling better than other Democrats AGAINST TRUMP! Who's leading the polls amongst the Democrats AGAINST OTHER DEMOCRATS! Who cares if Biden polls the best against Trump if he can't get the nomination from his own Party?

 

[EvMetro]

Even when the president of Ukraine told Trump he was almost ready to buy more Javelin missiles from us, Trump made that contingent upon personal favors to help him with his re-election.

Do you have a quote of Trump establishing this "personal" contingency, or is this just your personal opinion?

Sure... starts with, "I would like you to do us a favor though," and becomes...

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  • "I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it."

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  • "The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it..."

No, this is not a quote that establishes the "personal" contingency. I would like you to do "us" a favor is not personal, since he did not say "me". "Us" is not personal. Do you have a quote of Trump establishing this personal contingency? You are the one who specified "personal" so don't use references to "us".

 

[Slade3200]

I am far from a Trump supporter, however I need to call out yet another misstep from the Democrats. I posted about how Obstruction was a losing argument after the Mueller Report was released and now I see them doing it again with the Bribery claim.

I get that Bribery is in the constitution so they want to draw a simple and direct line with their charges for impeachment but what Trump did and what the context of bribery in the constitution is are two different things. By their definition, politicians and all past presidents commit bribery in the course of their foreign affairs. What Trump did was an abuse of office by dealing for personal gain, that should be the focus, not bribery. What the constitution was trying to protect from was politicians being paid to make policy... of course the lines are blurred with all the lobbying that goes on in Washington, a system that I’d happily like to see reformed, but that’s another story.

Best thing for Dems to do is wrap up the hearings. Get all the facts out with as little hyperbole as possible and then not file for impeachment but rather leave it up to the voters in next years election. Trump is as swampy as they come and he cares more about the fight than the future. I think enough people see that and will vote to end the drama and embarrassment. Let’s not make a martyr out of him by driving this impeachment train off a cliff.

With all due respect, Slade..."abuse of office by dealing for personal gain" is as big a loser as "bribery"! Trump was doing what all Presidents do. Why anyone on the left thinks Joe Biden being knocked out of the race is some huge "personal gain" for Trump mystifies me! What is "Hair Plugs" polling at now...fifth? He's been an abysmal candidate who's run for President so often it's become a running joke guessing at what point he'll put his foot in his mouth with an incredibly stupid comment that knocks him out of the race! It's who he is...it's what he does!

i disagree, I think Biden wipes the floor with Trump and I think Trump is very worried.

Come on...Biden has been running for President since the Watergate Hearings, Slade! He ALWAYS does or says something so stupid that people just laugh at him and move on to another candidate. You honestly think Biden has a chance to win the Democratic Primary?

yes I do, I think 8 years as VP has given him the credibility he needs to take it.

What has Joe Biden done in those 8 years that makes you think he deserves to be President? Other than enrich his family of course...

honestly I just think he’s a good guy with a good heart who cares about family, his country and he has relationships across the aisle. I want a good person leading our country and I don’t think Trump is a good person. Biden is the best shot to get a unifier in there, build back up some of those bridges that Trump destroyed and try and turn the tables on this destructive division we have going on in this country

 

[JoeB131]

When did Trump ever ask for the Ukrainian President to do anything but investigate the Bidens?

That was the illegal act. It wasn't his place to ask for such an investigation and holding up aid until he got it.

 

[progressive hunter]

that explains your ignorance,,,

You think I’m ignorant because I don’t watch wingnuts videos. Well I guess you have a point there but my ignorance would them only apply to distorted propaganda. We are talking about verifyable facts though. Do you have any of those to share or are propaganda videos all you got

dont you think FOIA documents are credible???

because most of them are,,,

its your choice to remain ignorant not mine,,,

Well post them then... Jesus. Why do you waste so much time with these pointless posts with zero substance. It just makes you look like you got nothing. Prove me wrong, post the documents

wrong about what???
youve asked and said a lot of crazy stuff and its hard to keep it all straight,,,

I dont think you have documents proving there is a legit investigation into the Biden’s. You said you posted them. I don’t remember seeing them so post them right now and prove me wrong.

faun already did,,,

 

[progressive hunter]

When did Trump ever ask for the Ukrainian President to do anything but investigate the Bidens?

That was the illegal act. It wasn't his place to ask for such an investigation and holding up aid until he got it.

he didnt do that,,

 

[Slade3200]

You think I’m ignorant because I don’t watch wingnuts videos. Well I guess you have a point there but my ignorance would them only apply to distorted propaganda. We are talking about verifyable facts though. Do you have any of those to share or are propaganda videos all you got

dont you think FOIA documents are credible???

because most of them are,,,

its your choice to remain ignorant not mine,,,

Well post them then... Jesus. Why do you waste so much time with these pointless posts with zero substance. It just makes you look like you got nothing. Prove me wrong, post the documents

wrong about what???
youve asked and said a lot of crazy stuff and its hard to keep it all straight,,,

I dont think you have documents proving there is a legit investigation into the Biden’s. You said you posted them. I don’t remember seeing them so post them right now and prove me wrong.

faun already did,,,

so you got nothing? You won’t post your documentation? Ok, that’s what I expected. Thanks for playing.

 

[basquebromance]

the Dems are not focused. they need to lay down actual crimes by Trump that are worthy of impeachment

 

[Oldstyle]

When did Trump ever ask for the Ukrainian President to do anything but investigate the Bidens?

That was the illegal act. It wasn't his place to ask for such an investigation and holding up aid until he got it.

What makes THAT an illegal act? The President makes foreign policy. If he wants to hold up foreign aid because he's concerned about rampant corruption in a country he's about to give billions of dollars to...then he has every authority to do just that! It isn't his "place"? It's EXACTLY his place!

 

[Oldstyle]

With all due respect, Slade..."abuse of office by dealing for personal gain" is as big a loser as "bribery"! Trump was doing what all Presidents do. Why anyone on the left thinks Joe Biden being knocked out of the race is some huge "personal gain" for Trump mystifies me! What is "Hair Plugs" polling at now...fifth? He's been an abysmal candidate who's run for President so often it's become a running joke guessing at what point he'll put his foot in his mouth with an incredibly stupid comment that knocks him out of the race! It's who he is...it's what he does!

i disagree, I think Biden wipes the floor with Trump and I think Trump is very worried.

Come on...Biden has been running for President since the Watergate Hearings, Slade! He ALWAYS does or says something so stupid that people just laugh at him and move on to another candidate. You honestly think Biden has a chance to win the Democratic Primary?

yes I do, I think 8 years as VP has given him the credibility he needs to take it.

What has Joe Biden done in those 8 years that makes you think he deserves to be President? Other than enrich his family of course...

honestly I just think he’s a good guy with a good heart who cares about family, his country and he has relationships across the aisle. I want a good person leading our country and I don’t think Trump is a good person. Biden is the best shot to get a unifier in there, build back up some of those bridges that Trump destroyed and try and turn the tables on this destructive division we have going on in this country

Jimmy Carter was a "good guy with a good heart", Slade! He was also a rather bad President. Let's be honest here...Joe Biden's clueless. He was never that sharp to begin with (had to cheat to get through law school!) but as he's gotten older he's become more and more of a buffoon! You want to hang out with a "good person"? Fine...hang out with Joe! Go for a few beers...check out a game and have some wings! You want a President who's working to fix some serious problems we still have? It's not Joe Biden! I don't think it's any of the other twenty Democrats running for President either to be blunt. Surely there must be some Democrats out there SOMEWHERE who know how to do the hard work of being an effective leader?

 

[Slade3200]

i disagree, I think Biden wipes the floor with Trump and I think Trump is very worried.

Come on...Biden has been running for President since the Watergate Hearings, Slade! He ALWAYS does or says something so stupid that people just laugh at him and move on to another candidate. You honestly think Biden has a chance to win the Democratic Primary?

yes I do, I think 8 years as VP has given him the credibility he needs to take it.

What has Joe Biden done in those 8 years that makes you think he deserves to be President? Other than enrich his family of course...

honestly I just think he’s a good guy with a good heart who cares about family, his country and he has relationships across the aisle. I want a good person leading our country and I don’t think Trump is a good person. Biden is the best shot to get a unifier in there, build back up some of those bridges that Trump destroyed and try and turn the tables on this destructive division we have going on in this country

Jimmy Carter was a "good guy with a good heart", Slade! He was also a rather bad President. Let's be honest here...Joe Biden's clueless. He was never that sharp to begin with (had to cheat to get through law school!) but as he's gotten older he's become more and more of a buffoon! You want to hang out with a "good person"? Fine...hang out with Joe! Go for a few beers...check out a game and have some wings! You want a President who's working to fix some serious problems we still have? It's not Joe Biden! I don't think it's any of the other twenty Democrats running for President either to be blunt. Surely there must be some Democrats out there SOMEWHERE who know how to do the hard work of being an effective leader?

i agree that one man at the top isn’t going to fix major problems. We fix major problems by working together. We need somebody who can bring us together. Get our law makers to actually make laws, repair broken relationships abroad, and yes be a good person and a role model to our country. I agree Joe is old and not firing at full potential but he has the right message and can surround himself with a strong team. I’m done with the drama and chaos that Trump has brought. I’m tired of the embarrassment of watching him try and read the teleprompter and then ad lib with his immature antics, and most of all I’m sick of the bully tactics and he plays in the mud fighting all his opponents. The power has gone to his head, Most anybody would do a better job in that office IMO.

 

[toobfreak]

That reason is because of the economic and military power we have obtain through our world alliances...

Sorry, but we had the military and economic power FIRST. That is why people wanted an alliance with us. Not the other way around.

He has the guts to show humility and compassion and act with character in the gave of opposition.

Obama is a professional actor, a performer, a bullshitter. And you buy it hook line and sinker. Trump is like a truck driver at a bar. No embellishment. He just tells you how it is. What he really thinks and feels.

I disagree. Our alliances all over the world is what keeps and grows out economic power and nations security strength. It would be utterly stupid to cut the chord with those alliances.

I never said anything about cutting any chords.

 

[toobfreak]

That reason is because of the economic and military power we have obtain through our world alliances...

Sorry, but we had the military and economic power FIRST. That is why people wanted an alliance with us. Not the other way around.

He has the guts to show humility and compassion and act with character in the gave of opposition.

Obama is a professional actor, a performer, a bullshitter. And you buy it hook line and sinker. Trump is like a truck driver at a bar. No embellishment. He just tells you how it is. What he really thinks and feels. He's not there to hold your hand or make you feel good.

Yes Obama is a showman, but that doesn’t mean he is disingenuous and Trump is a blunt shit talker, but just because he ain’t PC doesn’t mean he is t full of shit.

you didn’t answer my question. Which type of guy would you want marrying your daughter?

Trump. I always respect a guy who makes it on his own by forging ahead and overcoming adversity in a free market than a guy who plays the rules to game the system into exploiting others into paying his way through life for him, and that is exactly what most career politicians do.

 

[Slade3200]

That reason is because of the economic and military power we have obtain through our world alliances...

Sorry, but we had the military and economic power FIRST. That is why people wanted an alliance with us. Not the other way around.

He has the guts to show humility and compassion and act with character in the gave of opposition.

Obama is a professional actor, a performer, a bullshitter. And you buy it hook line and sinker. Trump is like a truck driver at a bar. No embellishment. He just tells you how it is. What he really thinks and feels. He's not there to hold your hand or make you feel good.

Yes Obama is a showman, but that doesn’t mean he is disingenuous and Trump is a blunt shit talker, but just because he ain’t PC doesn’t mean he is t full of shit.

you didn’t answer my question. Which type of guy would you want marrying your daughter?

Trump. I always respect a guy who makes it on his own by forging ahead and overcoming adversity in a free market than a guy who plays the rules to game the system into exploiting others into paying his way through life for him, and that is exactly what most career politicians do.

thats wonderful... put your daughter with an ego maniac that’s gonna run off and bang pornstars when he’s on golf trips. But I guess as long as he has a fat bank account and acts like a real man it’s all good. She’s a lucky girl

 

[Slade3200]

That reason is because of the economic and military power we have obtain through our world alliances...

Sorry, but we had the military and economic power FIRST. That is why people wanted an alliance with us. Not the other way around.

He has the guts to show humility and compassion and act with character in the gave of opposition.

Obama is a professional actor, a performer, a bullshitter. And you buy it hook line and sinker. Trump is like a truck driver at a bar. No embellishment. He just tells you how it is. What he really thinks and feels.

I disagree. Our alliances all over the world is what keeps and grows out economic power and nations security strength. It would be utterly stupid to cut the chord with those alliances.

I never said anything about cutting any chords.

ok good we agree then. Strong global allowances are important. Wonderful. I like areas of agreement

 

[toobfreak]

That reason is because of the economic and military power we have obtain through our world alliances...

Sorry, but we had the military and economic power FIRST. That is why people wanted an alliance with us. Not the other way around.

He has the guts to show humility and compassion and act with character in the gave of opposition.

Obama is a professional actor, a performer, a bullshitter. And you buy it hook line and sinker. Trump is like a truck driver at a bar. No embellishment. He just tells you how it is. What he really thinks and feels. He's not there to hold your hand or make you feel good.

Yes Obama is a showman, but that doesn’t mean he is disingenuous and Trump is a blunt shit talker, but just because he ain’t PC doesn’t mean he is t full of shit.

you didn’t answer my question. Which type of guy would you want marrying your daughter?

Trump. I always respect a guy who makes it on his own by forging ahead and overcoming adversity in a free market than a guy who plays the rules to game the system into exploiting others into paying his way through life for him, and that is exactly what most career politicians do.

thats wonderful... put your daughter with an ego maniac that’s gonna run off and bang pornstars when he’s on golf trips. But I guess as long as he has a fat bank account and acts like a real man it’s all good. She’s a lucky girl

Yep. Most every great leader and mega-successful person is an ego maniac. Success breeds confidence. And while Donald is off banging some stewardess like Bill Clinton, your daughter will have billions of dollars and gold mansions to go bang or do anyone she wants! At least it will all be with money and possessions that Domald went out there and all earned in the free market and didn't rob off the taxpayers.