Build the wall and allow DACA recipients like me to stay in America, the country I know and love

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

I've already said that Dems ought to offer 2.6 billion for border security with DACA has the return...as long as Daca was locked in first...because of course you can not trust Trump to keep his word on anything

It wasn't Trump who screwed Reagan on border security back in the 80s after he made an amnesty deal with the Dems .........

How did the Dems do this? PLease include links in your explanation

They agreed to fund border security in exchange for amnesty and then they didn't follow through

Michael Reagan warns Trump he must act now on border wall

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

fuck that - DACA is a Constitutional right, building a damn fence isnt a tool used to break it.

This is how we should respond to everything from the left....FOREVER!!!

They never compromise anything. They never give an inch.

The favor should be returned in spades!!!

GIVE THEM NOTHING EVER!!!!!!

 

[Lesh]

I've already said that Dems ought to offer 2.6 billion for border security with DACA has the return...as long as Daca was locked in first...because of course you can not trust Trump to keep his word on anything

It wasn't Trump who screwed Reagan on border security back in the 80s after he made an amnesty deal with the Dems .........

How did the Dems do this? PLease include links in your explanation

They agreed to fund border security in exchange for amnesty and then they didn't follow through

Michael Reagan warns Trump he must act now on border wall

Apart from Reagan's kid whining...how did Dems do what you claim they did? What funds did Dems hold back?

 

[Faun]

Bull, you gave me the link, dear. The actual amendment #1958, modified. That is what it says within the record. And your section for border security trust fund is only one element within its passing. It is not a stand alone, as you wish others to believe.

And Open your original link.

Durbin:
“Let me tell you what else the Trump immigration proposal would do. It
would create an unaccountable slush fund of $25 billion of American
taxpayers' money for a border wall that, as I remember correctly,
Mexico was supposed to pay for--$25 billion.”
From your link
This link is the Congressional record, in Feb 2018.

Finally, we get down to the bill proposal, which offered nothing for a barrier, for 2018-

) AVAILABILITY FOR FISCAL YEAR 2018.—Of
the amount appropriated by subsection (b), amounts shall be available for fiscal year 2018 as follows:
(1) For impedance and denial, $1,571,000,000. (2) For domain awareness, $658,000,000.
(3) For access and mobility, $143,000,000.
(4) For the retention, recruitment, and re-
location of officers of Border Patrol Agents, Customs Officers, and Air and Marine per- sonnel, $148,000,000, including for not fewer than 615 officers of U.S. Customs and Border Protection.
(5) To hire 615 U.S. Customs and Border Protection Officers for deployment to ports of entry, $75,000,000.
(d) AVAILABILITY FOR FISCAL YEARS 2019 THROUGH 2027.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—Subject to subsection (f), of the amount appropriated by subsection (b), the amount available for each of fiscal years 2019 through 2027 shall be $2,500,000,000.
(2) LIMITATION.—Amounts appropriated under subsection (b) for fiscal years 2018 and 2019 shall only be available for operationally effective designs deployed as of the date of the Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2017 (Public Law 115–31), such as currently de- ployed steel bollard designs, that prioritize agent safety.
(e) REPORT ON PLAN FOR IMPROVEMENT OF BORDER SECURITY.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—Not later than 180 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary shall submit to the Commit- tees on Appropriations of the Senate and the House of Representatives and the Commit- tees of jurisdiction of the Senate and the House of Representatives a risk-based plan


And it goes on and on, how every step must be approved by 3/5ths, nothing over $50,000 can be spent without Congressional approval, etc, etc, etc. That 2.5 billion must pay for everything, not just the fiscal barrier, and practically every cent must be approved by 3/5ths. It is convoluted and accomplishes nothing, as it is planned to. This was not an offer. This was an impossible bill to be fulfilled.

Trump the sick creep has not put out the offer. Democrats will gladly pass the $5 billion Trump wants for his vanity wall in exchange for the Dreamers’ futures. Especially considering they once offered the fat dying Dotard $26 billion for it

No one is offering that, dumbass. Trump offered to legalize the dreamers for $25 billion, and the Dim douchebags turned it down. Dims aren't getting DACA amnesty for 1/5th the price.

They can rot in hell.

Fucking moron, all but 2 Democrat Senators voted to give Trump $25 billion for his wall in exchange for DACA...

U.S. Senate: U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 115th Congress - 2nd Session

Republicans rejected it and Trump threatened to veto the bill had it made it out of the Senate.

Lying piece of shit, this is now the second time in two days I caught you referencing an irrelevant document.

That’s not what they voted for in the link I gave you to the roll call. This is from the amendment sponsored by a Republican, which shows up to $5,000,000,000 per fiscal year...

SEC. ll. BORDER SECURITY TRUST FUND.
(a) ESTABLISHMENT.—There is established in the Treasury of the United States a trust fund to be known as the Border Security Trust Fund (in this section referred to as the ‘‘Trust Fund’’), consisting of amounts appro- priated to the Trust Fund under subsection (b) and any amounts that may be credited to the Trust Fund under subsection (c).
(b) APPROPRIATION.—There are appropriated to the Trust Fund $25,000,000,000, to remain available until expended.
(c) INVESTMENT OF AMOUNTS.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—The Secretary of the Treasury shall invest such portion of the Trust Fund as is not required to meet cur- rent withdrawals in interest-bearing obliga- tions of the United States or in obligations guaranteed as to both principal and interest by the United States.
(2) INTEREST AND PROCEEDS.—The interest on, and the proceeds from the sale or re- demption of, any obligations held in the Trust Fund shall be credited to and form a part of the Trust Fund.
(d) AVAILABILITY OF AMOUNTS.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—Subject to paragraph (2), amounts in the Trust Fund shall be available to the Secretary of Homeland Security, without further appropriation, for—
(A) construction of not fewer than 700 miles of reinforced fencing, excluding vehicle barriers;
(B) installation of additional physical barriers;
(C) construction and maintenance of access and patrol roads;
(D) lighting;
(E) an interlocking surveillance camera system;
(F) remote sensors; and
(G) the purchase from the Secretary of Defense of surplus aircraft and unmanned air- craft systems.
(2) LIMITATION.—Not more than $5,000,000,000 of the amount in the Trust Fund may be obligated and expended in any fiscal year.

Congressional Record​

Trump is asking for $5 billion now to rebuild the 700 miles of existing walls and fences. He could have accomplished that by now had he and Republicans voted for it.

Lying scum, I gave you the link to the roll call for the amendment they voted on.

Instead of referencing the text of the amendment they voted on, which offered trump $5 billion per fiscal year for 5 years for border security including his wall, you referenced the Senate’s “on the record” document, which is not what they voted on.

Yes, you are actually dumb enough to think you could have fooled anyone with that pathetic bait & switch.

 

[Faun]

Nope. To give the dreamers amnesty the Dims will need to approve the funding for the entire wall: $25 billion.

They did the fat Orange turd said no after saying yes.

The details of Schumer's proposal have been posted. He offered $25 billion over 10 years, and the $2.5 billion had to be approved by Congress every year. Furthermore, it couldn't be spent on a concrete wall. In other words, Schumer offered nothing.

Fucking moron, I posted the Republican sponsored amendment which doubled that to $5 billion per fiscal year AND I posted a link to the roll call showing that Democrats supported it. It was shot down by a majority of Republicans and trump.

That isn't $25 billion up front, moron. If Congress has to approve it every year, then it's nothing but a con.

It also placed all kinds of constraints on what kind of wall/barrier that could be built.

Ummmm....dummy.....Trump is willing to accept $5.7 billion. That is not $25 billion up front, is it?

Your hero turned down $5 billion per year to total $25 billion then....and is closing the ngovernment over
$5.7 billion now.

He's a MASTER negotiator.

He’s proven himself to be an awful negotiator. He was offered nearly 5 times what he’s asking for now, in exchange for giving Democrats DACA. It would have been a win/win for both sides. His idea of “negotiating” turns out to be where he alone wins.

Instead, the fucking idiot rejects what he’s now asking for and shuts down the government.

 

[iceberg]

I've already said that Dems ought to offer 2.6 billion for border security with DACA has the return...as long as Daca was locked in first...because of course you can not trust Trump to keep his word on anything

funny as shit since it's the dems that fucked over reagan and have provided a history of going back on their word.

 

[Faun]

I've already said that Dems ought to offer 2.6 billion for border security with DACA has the return...as long as Daca was locked in first...because of course you can not trust Trump to keep his word on anything

It wasn't Trump who screwed Reagan on border security back in the 80s after he made an amnesty deal with the Dems .........

How did the Dems do this? PLease include links in your explanation

They agreed to fund border security in exchange for amnesty and then they didn't follow through

Michael Reagan warns Trump he must act now on border wall

It wasn’t Democrats who didn’t follow through. It was Republicans who voted against that deal...

U.S. Senate: U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 115th Congress - 2nd Session

Democrats (+Ind’s): 46-3

Republicans: 8-42 (1 no vote)

 

[bripat9643]

If DACA aliens are for it, how can Dims possibly object?

Build the wall and allow DACA recipients like me to stay in America, the only country I know and love​

I am one of the approximately 700,000 so-called Dreamers now living in the U.S. For now, I’m here legally because I am protected by the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program. But that protection may end soon, because DACA is being challenged in the courts.

And it might surprise you to know that I’m also a supporter of President Trump. I believe it is vital that we focus on America's safety first and find the necessary resources for the Border Patrol to do its job effectively, while still giving people like me a chance to stay in the only country we’ve ever called home and loved.

As a result, I support the president’s call for a barrier along the U.S.-Mexico border. And I understand that he has promised to build a border wall or fence and feels duty-bound to fulfill his promise.

The DACA community is not asking to skip to the head of the line or to be granted citizenship immediately. All we want is a chance to earn citizenship while still being able to stay in this country by paying our taxes, serving our country, supporting our communities, and continuing to pledge allegiance to the only flag we have ever known and loved.

I am the first in my family to get a college degree. I hope to get an MBA in a few years, become an executive at a Fortune 500 company, and eventually become an American citizen who can contribute to the greatness of this country.

I didn’t ask to come to the U.S. when I was a baby – I was too young to talk. But I thank God I was brought here and grew up in the greatest country on Earth. I pray to God that I can stay.​

Trump the sick creep has not put out the offer. Democrats will gladly pass the $5 billion Trump wants for his vanity wall in exchange for the Dreamers’ futures. Especially considering they once offered the fat dying Dotard $26 billion for it

Nope. To give the dreamers amnesty the Dims will need to approve the funding for the entire wall: $25 billion.

They did the fat Orange turd said no after saying yes.

He said yes to $25 billion. He said no to $5 billion per year that required a vote in Congress every year.

Pretending those two things are the same is how we know you're a douchebag.

 

[bripat9643]

Nope. To give the dreamers amnesty the Dims will need to approve the funding for the entire wall: $25 billion.

They did the fat Orange turd said no after saying yes.

The details of Schumer's proposal have been posted. He offered $25 billion over 10 years, and the $2.5 billion had to be approved by Congress every year. Furthermore, it couldn't be spent on a concrete wall. In other words, Schumer offered nothing.

Fucking moron, I posted the Republican sponsored amendment which doubled that to $5 billion per fiscal year AND I posted a link to the roll call showing that Democrats supported it. It was shot down by a majority of Republicans and trump.

That isn't $25 billion up front, moron. If Congress has to approve it every year, then it's nothing but a con.

It also placed all kinds of constraints on what kind of wall/barrier that could be built.

Fucking moron, you said it was $2.5 billion. It wasn’t. It was $5 billion which is what he’s asking for now. The dumbfuck actually shut the government down over money Democrats offered him nearly a year ago. Even worse for him, had he (and Republicans) accepted the deal, that first $5 billion would have been appropriated for FY2018. By now, he’d be working with his second $5 billion.

Now he can go fuck himself.

You're quibbling about minutia. The bottom line is that, despite what all you snowflakes claim, Schumer didn't offer $25 billion. That was a typical Democrat con.

 

[bripat9643]

Nope. To give the dreamers amnesty the Dims will need to approve the funding for the entire wall: $25 billion.

They did the fat Orange turd said no after saying yes.

The details of Schumer's proposal have been posted. He offered $25 billion over 10 years, and the $2.5 billion had to be approved by Congress every year. Furthermore, it couldn't be spent on a concrete wall. In other words, Schumer offered nothing.

Fucking moron, I posted the Republican sponsored amendment which doubled that to $5 billion per fiscal year AND I posted a link to the roll call showing that Democrats supported it. It was shot down by a majority of Republicans and trump.

That isn't $25 billion up front, moron. If Congress has to approve it every year, then it's nothing but a con.

It also placed all kinds of constraints on what kind of wall/barrier that could be built.

Ummmm....dummy.....Trump is willing to accept $5.7 billion. That is not $25 billion up front, is it?

Your hero turned down $5 billion per year to total $25 billion then....and is closing the ngovernment over
$5.7 billion now.

He's a MASTER negotiator.

What's your point, asshole?

 

[bripat9643]

They did the fat Orange turd said no after saying yes.

The details of Schumer's proposal have been posted. He offered $25 billion over 10 years, and the $2.5 billion had to be approved by Congress every year. Furthermore, it couldn't be spent on a concrete wall. In other words, Schumer offered nothing.

Fucking moron, I posted the Republican sponsored amendment which doubled that to $5 billion per fiscal year AND I posted a link to the roll call showing that Democrats supported it. It was shot down by a majority of Republicans and trump.

That isn't $25 billion up front, moron. If Congress has to approve it every year, then it's nothing but a con.

It also placed all kinds of constraints on what kind of wall/barrier that could be built.

Ummmm....dummy.....Trump is willing to accept $5.7 billion. That is not $25 billion up front, is it?

Your hero turned down $5 billion per year to total $25 billion then....and is closing the ngovernment over
$5.7 billion now.

He's a MASTER negotiator.

He’s proven himself to be an awful negotiator. He was offered nearly 5 times what he’s asking for now, in exchange for giving Democrats DACA. It would have been a win/win for both sides. His idea of “negotiating” turns out to be where he alone wins.

Instead, the fucking idiot rejects what he’s now asking for and shuts down the government.

No he wasn't.

 

[LoneLaugher]

If DACA aliens are for it, how can Dims possibly object?

Build the wall and allow DACA recipients like me to stay in America, the only country I know and love​

I am one of the approximately 700,000 so-called Dreamers now living in the U.S. For now, I’m here legally because I am protected by the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program. But that protection may end soon, because DACA is being challenged in the courts.

And it might surprise you to know that I’m also a supporter of President Trump. I believe it is vital that we focus on America's safety first and find the necessary resources for the Border Patrol to do its job effectively, while still giving people like me a chance to stay in the only country we’ve ever called home and loved.

As a result, I support the president’s call for a barrier along the U.S.-Mexico border. And I understand that he has promised to build a border wall or fence and feels duty-bound to fulfill his promise.

The DACA community is not asking to skip to the head of the line or to be granted citizenship immediately. All we want is a chance to earn citizenship while still being able to stay in this country by paying our taxes, serving our country, supporting our communities, and continuing to pledge allegiance to the only flag we have ever known and loved.

I am the first in my family to get a college degree. I hope to get an MBA in a few years, become an executive at a Fortune 500 company, and eventually become an American citizen who can contribute to the greatness of this country.

I didn’t ask to come to the U.S. when I was a baby – I was too young to talk. But I thank God I was brought here and grew up in the greatest country on Earth. I pray to God that I can stay.​

Trump the sick creep has not put out the offer. Democrats will gladly pass the $5 billion Trump wants for his vanity wall in exchange for the Dreamers’ futures. Especially considering they once offered the fat dying Dotard $26 billion for it

Nope. To give the dreamers amnesty the Dims will need to approve the funding for the entire wall: $25 billion.

They did the fat Orange turd said no after saying yes.

He said yes to $25 billion. He said no to $5 billion per year that required a vote in Congress every year.

Pretending those two things are the same is how we know you're a douchebag.

You pretend that most high dollar appropriations don't get broken down into yearly installments.

That's because you are a moron.

 

[LoneLaugher]

They did the fat Orange turd said no after saying yes.

The details of Schumer's proposal have been posted. He offered $25 billion over 10 years, and the $2.5 billion had to be approved by Congress every year. Furthermore, it couldn't be spent on a concrete wall. In other words, Schumer offered nothing.

Fucking moron, I posted the Republican sponsored amendment which doubled that to $5 billion per fiscal year AND I posted a link to the roll call showing that Democrats supported it. It was shot down by a majority of Republicans and trump.

That isn't $25 billion up front, moron. If Congress has to approve it every year, then it's nothing but a con.

It also placed all kinds of constraints on what kind of wall/barrier that could be built.

Ummmm....dummy.....Trump is willing to accept $5.7 billion. That is not $25 billion up front, is it?

Your hero turned down $5 billion per year to total $25 billion then....and is closing the ngovernment over
$5.7 billion now.

He's a MASTER negotiator.

What's your point, asshole?

That you and your master negotiator are morons.

 

[Faun]

They did the fat Orange turd said no after saying yes.

The details of Schumer's proposal have been posted. He offered $25 billion over 10 years, and the $2.5 billion had to be approved by Congress every year. Furthermore, it couldn't be spent on a concrete wall. In other words, Schumer offered nothing.

Fucking moron, I posted the Republican sponsored amendment which doubled that to $5 billion per fiscal year AND I posted a link to the roll call showing that Democrats supported it. It was shot down by a majority of Republicans and trump.

That isn't $25 billion up front, moron. If Congress has to approve it every year, then it's nothing but a con.

It also placed all kinds of constraints on what kind of wall/barrier that could be built.

Fucking moron, you said it was $2.5 billion. It wasn’t. It was $5 billion which is what he’s asking for now. The dumbfuck actually shut the government down over money Democrats offered him nearly a year ago. Even worse for him, had he (and Republicans) accepted the deal, that first $5 billion would have been appropriated for FY2018. By now, he’d be working with his second $5 billion.

Now he can go fuck himself.

You're quibbling about minutia. The bottom line is that, despite what all you snowflakes claim, Schumer didn't offer $25 billion. That was a typical Democrat con.

No, I’m highlighting why you’re a fucking moron as I once again demonstrate you don’t have the first clue of that which you spout.

Again, trump just shut the government down like a big cry baby because Congress won’t give him $5 billion now. Meanwhile, he’d have received $10 billion at this point had he, and Republicans, accepted the deal they were offered.

 

[DustyInfinity]

I've already said that Dems ought to offer 2.6 billion for border security with DACA has the return...as long as Daca was locked in first...because of course you can not trust Trump to keep his word on anything

It wasn't Trump who screwed Reagan on border security back in the 80s after he made an amnesty deal with the Dems .........

How did the Dems do this? PLease include links in your explanation

They agreed to fund border security in exchange for amnesty and then they didn't follow through

Michael Reagan warns Trump he must act now on border wall

Trump laid out four very definitive requirements for Daca. Trump even offered Amnesty for more than critics expected. Not only did the democrats give American's the finger, they toyed with and used the Daca people as well. Quite a few in Daca were upset over this betrayal. Democrats had no desire to secure the border because they thought they had a political advantage. Now, it is rinse and repeat. Screw over those in Daca a second time, and refuse to protect Americans. This is a political disaster for democrats. Busybee, I know this isn't what you want to hear, but whoever told you Democrats offered the

 

[DustyInfinity]

Sorry, my connection is buggy. Busybee, the democrats never had any desire to offer border security.

 

[Faun]

The details of Schumer's proposal have been posted. He offered $25 billion over 10 years, and the $2.5 billion had to be approved by Congress every year. Furthermore, it couldn't be spent on a concrete wall. In other words, Schumer offered nothing.

Fucking moron, I posted the Republican sponsored amendment which doubled that to $5 billion per fiscal year AND I posted a link to the roll call showing that Democrats supported it. It was shot down by a majority of Republicans and trump.

That isn't $25 billion up front, moron. If Congress has to approve it every year, then it's nothing but a con.

It also placed all kinds of constraints on what kind of wall/barrier that could be built.

Ummmm....dummy.....Trump is willing to accept $5.7 billion. That is not $25 billion up front, is it?

Your hero turned down $5 billion per year to total $25 billion then....and is closing the ngovernment over
$5.7 billion now.

He's a MASTER negotiator.

He’s proven himself to be an awful negotiator. He was offered nearly 5 times what he’s asking for now, in exchange for giving Democrats DACA. It would have been a win/win for both sides. His idea of “negotiating” turns out to be where he alone wins.

Instead, the fucking idiot rejects what he’s now asking for and shuts down the government.

No he wasn't.

Fucking moron, yes, he was....

SEC. ll. BORDER SECURITY TRUST FUND.
(a) ESTABLISHMENT.—There is established in the Treasury of the United States a trust fund to be known as the Border Security Trust Fund (in this section referred to as the ‘‘Trust Fund’’), consisting of amounts appro- priated to the Trust Fund under subsection (b) and any amounts that may be credited to the Trust Fund under subsection (c).
(b) APPROPRIATION.—There are appropriated to the Trust Fund $25,000,000,000, to remain available until expended.​

 

[Faun]

Sorry, my connection is buggy. Busybee, the democrats never had any desire to offer border security.

Oh? Then why did Democrats offer trump $25 billion by voting for the bill, 46 to 3 in favor of it?

U.S. Senate: U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 115th Congress - 2nd Session

 

[DustyInfinity]

Faun, there were four requirements. We can disagree about whether money was upfront, or how much would ever become available, but I'm going to bet democrats didn't even touch the other three requirements. Did your guys include ending chain migration? I'm not sure what the other two were. You guys thought you had leverage, good PR. There was never any intent to secure the border or fix immigration.

 

[Cecilie1200]

If DACA aliens are for it, how can Dims possibly object?

Build the wall and allow DACA recipients like me to stay in America, the only country I know and love​

I am one of the approximately 700,000 so-called Dreamers now living in the U.S. For now, I’m here legally because I am protected by the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program. But that protection may end soon, because DACA is being challenged in the courts.

And it might surprise you to know that I’m also a supporter of President Trump. I believe it is vital that we focus on America's safety first and find the necessary resources for the Border Patrol to do its job effectively, while still giving people like me a chance to stay in the only country we’ve ever called home and loved.

As a result, I support the president’s call for a barrier along the U.S.-Mexico border. And I understand that he has promised to build a border wall or fence and feels duty-bound to fulfill his promise.

The DACA community is not asking to skip to the head of the line or to be granted citizenship immediately. All we want is a chance to earn citizenship while still being able to stay in this country by paying our taxes, serving our country, supporting our communities, and continuing to pledge allegiance to the only flag we have ever known and loved.

I am the first in my family to get a college degree. I hope to get an MBA in a few years, become an executive at a Fortune 500 company, and eventually become an American citizen who can contribute to the greatness of this country.

I didn’t ask to come to the U.S. when I was a baby – I was too young to talk. But I thank God I was brought here and grew up in the greatest country on Earth. I pray to God that I can stay.​

He speaks English and pays taxes-two "should be" requirements for citizenship.

He also has sense enough to talk about how his staying would benefit US, not just a sob story about how it would benefit HIM. And he seems to love and respect the United States.

I can think of a lot of natural-born Americans I would be willing to trade for an immigrant like that.