Building the wall is the most critical political issue in America, we must do it

[kaz]

On a side note, wanting to build a wall to keep the non-whites is about the most anti-libertarian thing I have seen in a long time. Thank you for dropping the charade.

Skimmed the rest. So you're a racist who thinks only brown people are criminals and enter our country illegally and white people only come here legally? Yeah. Only brown people are criminals. How Grand Wizard of you

You are the one that brought up hispanics you dishonest moron.

Once again, you prove what a fundamentally dishonest piece of shit you are. Here is what I responded to

On a side note, wanting to build a wall to keep the non-whites is about the most anti-libertarian thing I have seen in a long time. Thank you for dropping the charade.

 

[kaz]

Trump wants a wall because he wants a viable, physical monument to his greatness and a wall is the only way he will get one

Lost interest right here. Typical leftist. You need to start with ad hominem attacks on people you disagree with because you can't back up your positions with actual logical arguments. What you said is you're a bigot, don't bother reading the rest of your crap because it won't make sense either.

That's all the left has because your ideas are illogical and don't work.

This is a voter drive for you. You don't oppose the wall because you think it won't work, you oppose the wall because you know it will.

Then there's how drugs, guns, gangs, criminals, rapists and murderers come across the border with the illegal aliens and completely ignore that.

We are talking about ILLEGAL immigration, not immigration

I gave 3 steps to stop those things and you have no rebuttal to them so you choose to ignore them. What else would we expect from the most dishonest person on this forum.

"We?" And your dick shrivels up further. It's not you, you have legions of posters following your every word cheering you on propping up your manhood.

Listen you race bating lech. We are talking about ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. Not immigration. You know that, you just don't have the wit to back up your stupid crap or the manhood to stand on actual principles. So that's how you roll.

Illegal alien is no more legal immigrant than shoplifter is customer.

Only Democrats want the illegal aliens because you know they will go on welfare, be chained to government, then you own them

And I gave you a three step plan that is more effective than a wall and cheaper than a wall. But you will not address it because you are the most dishonest person on this forum.

WTF are you talking about? I said sending the military in to chase thousands of people across the desert every night is a stupid idea.

And when you call people racists for opposing illegal immigration, you prove you are not interested in any sort of discussion. That is just a pure discussion ender. Don't do that then whine when you don't get responses.

And you also don't expect responses when you don't answer questions. I've already withdrawn your right to ask questions until you start answering them.

Every way this post is a fail

 

[LoneLaugher]

In the end, if we don't build the wall, the Democrats will smother us. They have already flipped California and New Mexico into solid blue States. Illegal voters have turned Nevada light blue. And they have turned Texas and Arizona from solid to light red.

Some bigot like you said the same thing about the Irish 150 years ago.

And the Germans 100 years ago.

And the Poles 50 years ago.

The issue of illegal immigration has been an endless game of kick the can for decades. But this is it. The authoritarian leftist Democrat party is on the verge of a stranglehold on the country and the end of our freedom. That's why the Democrats fight so hysterically against the wall. They don't think it won't work, they know it will.

Yes, the right wing cares about the freedom of rich people to exploit working folks.

We are against the wall because it's a waste of money and it presents an ugly image of our country. (Most undocumented workers actually entered the country legally or through another route.)

The reason this is THE issue is that for that reason, every other issue is dependent on the wall. If we don't build the wall, then Texas will eventually flip and with that alone we're done. Hispanics over time like all other Americans become more conservative as they become more successful. But that takes time and a million illegals coming here a year floods that.

Yeah, um.... funny thing about that.. the blacks have been waiting a lot longer than the Hispanics have...

Okay, here's the real problem you guys have. You've spent the last few decades scaring white people into voting against their own economic interests by telling them the Darkies are out to get them.... which worked fine up until the 1980's, but really doesn't work now because there are too many of them, and some white people aren't really comfortable with racism.

The ironic thing is, Hispanics SHOULD be a conservative block now. religious, hard working and pro-family. They'll probably drag the Democrats closer to the center. But you guys have so thoroughly alienated them you've probably lost them for generations.

Wanting an end to illegal immigration is not racist. The Wall is a racist euphemism for Mexicans. And illegal immigration for Mexico has already lessened. I'm all for deporting illegal immigrants and splitting up families and doing all kinds of unpleasant things to them ... legally. They need to be dissuaded.

That's because you don't understand that we need them for our economy to flourish....and that is the best possible scenario.

I've never said I was against legal immigration.

You didn't. But taking a severe hard line stance on those who are already here will harm our economy while it
takes a piss on human beings who are only here because we needed them and they wanted a better life.

 

[kaz]

In the end, if we don't build the wall, the Democrats will smother us. They have already flipped California and New Mexico into solid blue States. Illegal voters have turned Nevada light blue. And they have turned Texas and Arizona from solid to light red.

The issue of illegal immigration has been an endless game of kick the can for decades. But this is it. The authoritarian leftist Democrat party is on the verge of a stranglehold on the country and the end of our freedom. That's why the Democrats fight so hysterically against the wall. They don't think it won't work, they know it will.

The reason this is THE issue is that for that reason, every other issue is dependent on the wall. If we don't build the wall, then Texas will eventually flip and with that alone we're done. Hispanics over time like all other Americans become more conservative as they become more successful. But that takes time and a million illegals coming here a year floods that.

I didn't vote for Trump last time for two main reasons. First, I'm a capitalist and he isn't. Free trade is the beating heart of capitalism. Second, he has been a pig to women. Unlike Democrats who voted twice for a sexual predator and again for his hoe who attacked his victims again, that does matter to me.

But now it's down to this. We must end the endless flow now. And for me, my decision of whether I will vote for him comes down to this. Build the wall and I'll vote for him. Don't, and I won't. I can't imagine what would make me flip from that. This is THE political question in our country. We must build the wall, and build it now.

I voted that I did not vote for 2016 but I will in 2020 because I believe/hope he'll actually do it.

Please explain your vote if you voted you will change your vote regarding Trump either way.

I voted third party in every election since 1996, will continue that trend in 2020.

We do not need a wall, building a wall is moving backwards, not forwards. Trump wants a wall because he wants a viable, physical monument to his greatness and a wall is the only way he will get one.

According to Trump himself border crossings are down 80%, and that is without a wall and without a significant increase in the Border Patrol.

The wall is an expense we do not have the money to pay for and it will just become a bigger and bigger expense each year as the maintenance cost on it grow with time and age of the wall.

If you wish to control our southern border to keep the evil brown people out there are three easy steps to do it.

First, use our military for its base purpose, to defend the country. We have roughly 97,000 troops in Europe. Bring half of them home and station them along the border and give them the task of protecting the border.

Second, punish harshly those companies in the US that employ illegal immigrants. Make an example out of a couple of bigger companies and make it so painful that no other company will take the chance of using illegal immigrants as labor.

Third, have a real guest worker program so that those industries that do rely on cheaper labor (agricultural comes to mind) have access to those willing to work.

If you do the 2nd and 3rd thing then the only people trying to sneak across the border are people with ill intent and then they become easy targets for the military guarding the border.

On a side note, wanting to build a wall to keep the non-whites is about the most anti-libertarian thing I have seen in a long time. Thank you for dropping the charade.

“On a side note, wanting to build a wall to keep the non-whites is about the most anti-libertarian thing I have seen in a long time. Thank you for dropping the charade.”

Do you typically put your libertarian beliefs ahead of Constitutional authority and the legal responsibility of our federal government?

It's even more than that. His post was pure racist. He said only "non-whites" ignore immigration laws and come here illegally.

On the libertarian though, I'm a libertarian to maximize my liberty. I would like as an objective to tear down borders because hopefully one day we will evolve to not need them.

But to declare that day is now is fundamentally dishonest and clearly does NOT maximize my liberty. Any "libertarian" who opposes borders is a libertarian ideologue only and isn't a libertarian to maximize their liberty in their life

 

[sealybobo]

In the end, if we don't build the wall, the Democrats will smother us. They have already flipped California and New Mexico into solid blue States. Illegal voters have turned Nevada light blue. And they have turned Texas and Arizona from solid to light red.

The issue of illegal immigration has been an endless game of kick the can for decades. But this is it. The authoritarian leftist Democrat party is on the verge of a stranglehold on the country and the end of our freedom. That's why the Democrats fight so hysterically against the wall. They don't think it won't work, they know it will.

The reason this is THE issue is that for that reason, every other issue is dependent on the wall. If we don't build the wall, then Texas will eventually flip and with that alone we're done. Hispanics over time like all other Americans become more conservative as they become more successful. But that takes time and a million illegals coming here a year floods that.

I didn't vote for Trump last time for two main reasons. First, I'm a capitalist and he isn't. Free trade is the beating heart of capitalism. Second, he has been a pig to women. Unlike Democrats who voted twice for a sexual predator and again for his hoe who attacked his victims again, that does matter to me.

But now it's down to this. We must end the endless flow now. And for me, my decision of whether I will vote for him comes down to this. Build the wall and I'll vote for him. Don't, and I won't. I can't imagine what would make me flip from that. This is THE political question in our country. We must build the wall, and build it now.

I voted that I did not vote for 2016 but I will in 2020 because I believe/hope he'll actually do it.

Please explain your vote if you voted you will change your vote regarding Trump either way.

You didn’t vote? Then I’ve lost all respect for you loser.

I voted for Gary Johnson, liar. I never said I didn't vote.

And you are why I make people identify themselves. You're a leftist socialist and you claim to have voted for Trump. What a load

Did I rig your results?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

On a side note, wanting to build a wall to keep the non-whites is about the most anti-libertarian thing I have seen in a long time. Thank you for dropping the charade.

Skimmed the rest. So you're a racist who thinks only brown people are criminals and enter our country illegally and white people only come here legally? Yeah. Only brown people are criminals. How Grand Wizard of you

You are the one that brought up hispanics you dishonest moron.

Once again, you prove what a fundamentally dishonest piece of shit you are. Here is what I responded to

On a side note, wanting to build a wall to keep the non-whites is about the most anti-libertarian thing I have seen in a long time. Thank you for dropping the charade.

In your OP you are the one that brought up Hispanics, you lying fuck.

It is so cute how I called you dishonest and you are parroting me.

 

[kaz]

In the end, if we don't build the wall, the Democrats will smother us. They have already flipped California and New Mexico into solid blue States. Illegal voters have turned Nevada light blue. And they have turned Texas and Arizona from solid to light red.

The issue of illegal immigration has been an endless game of kick the can for decades. But this is it. The authoritarian leftist Democrat party is on the verge of a stranglehold on the country and the end of our freedom. That's why the Democrats fight so hysterically against the wall. They don't think it won't work, they know it will.

The reason this is THE issue is that for that reason, every other issue is dependent on the wall. If we don't build the wall, then Texas will eventually flip and with that alone we're done. Hispanics over time like all other Americans become more conservative as they become more successful. But that takes time and a million illegals coming here a year floods that.

I didn't vote for Trump last time for two main reasons. First, I'm a capitalist and he isn't. Free trade is the beating heart of capitalism. Second, he has been a pig to women. Unlike Democrats who voted twice for a sexual predator and again for his hoe who attacked his victims again, that does matter to me.

But now it's down to this. We must end the endless flow now. And for me, my decision of whether I will vote for him comes down to this. Build the wall and I'll vote for him. Don't, and I won't. I can't imagine what would make me flip from that. This is THE political question in our country. We must build the wall, and build it now.

I voted that I did not vote for 2016 but I will in 2020 because I believe/hope he'll actually do it.

Please explain your vote if you voted you will change your vote regarding Trump either way.

I voted third party in every election since 1996, will continue that trend in 2020.

We do not need a wall, building a wall is moving backwards, not forwards. Trump wants a wall because he wants a viable, physical monument to his greatness and a wall is the only way he will get one.

According to Trump himself border crossings are down 80%, and that is without a wall and without a significant increase in the Border Patrol.

The wall is an expense we do not have the money to pay for and it will just become a bigger and bigger expense each year as the maintenance cost on it grow with time and age of the wall.

If you wish to control our southern border to keep the evil brown people out there are three easy steps to do it.

First, use our military for its base purpose, to defend the country. We have roughly 97,000 troops in Europe. Bring half of them home and station them along the border and give them the task of protecting the border.

Second, punish harshly those companies in the US that employ illegal immigrants. Make an example out of a couple of bigger companies and make it so painful that no other company will take the chance of using illegal immigrants as labor.

Third, have a real guest worker program so that those industries that do rely on cheaper labor (agricultural comes to mind) have access to those willing to work.

If you do the 2nd and 3rd thing then the only people trying to sneak across the border are people with ill intent and then they become easy targets for the military guarding the border.

On a side note, wanting to build a wall to keep the non-whites is about the most anti-libertarian thing I have seen in a long time. Thank you for dropping the charade.

How doesn’t the wall pay for itself over time?
You must be doing different math than we are...would you mind walking us through your arithmetic?

You would first have to explain how the wall will generate revenue, otherwise it cannot pay for itself.

Then tell me how building and maintaining a wall is cheaper than bringing home our troops and putting them on the southern border. We are already paying for the troops and stationing them in America vice Europe saves the DOD money.

He's obviously talking about cost avoidance, brainiac. Any business person would consider cost avoidance = profit generated. Do you post from your garbage truck?

 

[sealybobo]

In the end, if we don't build the wall, the Democrats will smother us. They have already flipped California and New Mexico into solid blue States. Illegal voters have turned Nevada light blue. And they have turned Texas and Arizona from solid to light red.

The issue of illegal immigration has been an endless game of kick the can for decades. But this is it. The authoritarian leftist Democrat party is on the verge of a stranglehold on the country and the end of our freedom. That's why the Democrats fight so hysterically against the wall. They don't think it won't work, they know it will.

The reason this is THE issue is that for that reason, every other issue is dependent on the wall. If we don't build the wall, then Texas will eventually flip and with that alone we're done. Hispanics over time like all other Americans become more conservative as they become more successful. But that takes time and a million illegals coming here a year floods that.

I didn't vote for Trump last time for two main reasons. First, I'm a capitalist and he isn't. Free trade is the beating heart of capitalism. Second, he has been a pig to women. Unlike Democrats who voted twice for a sexual predator and again for his hoe who attacked his victims again, that does matter to me.

But now it's down to this. We must end the endless flow now. And for me, my decision of whether I will vote for him comes down to this. Build the wall and I'll vote for him. Don't, and I won't. I can't imagine what would make me flip from that. This is THE political question in our country. We must build the wall, and build it now.

I voted that I did not vote for 2016 but I will in 2020 because I believe/hope he'll actually do it.

Please explain your vote if you voted you will change your vote regarding Trump either way.

You didn’t vote? Then I’ve lost all respect for you loser.

I voted for Gary Johnson....

Who called Trump's wall "asinine".

So your standard is you only vote for people you agree with on every issue? Wow, what a stupid standard. Is that seriously your point?

Trumps not capitalistic enough for you?

 

[BrokeLoser]

Your rhetorical tone screams “let’s play semantics”...I’ll play along...The wall reduces expense on thirdworld human cockroaches. The ROI is in the savings....TA-DA!

Thank you for that. Now that we have that settled, my plan also reduces expenses from illegal immigration and does so in a manner that saves money instead of spending money, as it is cheaper to have troops stationed on our home soil than in foreign countries.

So, my plan saves the country even more in the long run. Why are you so opposed to the military defending our country vice Europe?

“The wall is forever.”

So is our military.

Military usage is appropriated by POTUS...a Mexicrat POTUS wouldn’t keep troops on the border...they need to grow their constituency, they love illegals...you know this.

The same POTUS could just stop monitoring or defending or repairing the wall and the wall become nothing but a albatross.

That’s why it is paramount that the wall be impenetrable

 

[Harpy Eagle]

WTF are you talking about? I said sending the military in to chase thousands of people across the desert every night is a stupid idea.

And I gave a way to remove the reason for 1000s of people to be crossing the desert every night, so the military will only have to focus on the few that are left. Though you clearly do not think our military is up to the task.

And when you call people racists for opposing illegal immigration, you prove you are not interested in any sort of discussion. That is just a pure discussion ender. Don't do that then whine when you don't get responses.

If you do not want this to be about race, you should not have made your opening triade about Hispanics. Seems simple enough

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Thank you for that. Now that we have that settled, my plan also reduces expenses from illegal immigration and does so in a manner that saves money instead of spending money, as it is cheaper to have troops stationed on our home soil than in foreign countries.

So, my plan saves the country even more in the long run. Why are you so opposed to the military defending our country vice Europe?

“The wall is forever.”

So is our military.

Military usage is appropriated by POTUS...a Mexicrat POTUS wouldn’t keep troops on the border...they need to grow their constituency, they love illegals...you know this.

The same POTUS could just stop monitoring or defending or repairing the wall and the wall become nothing but a albatross.

That’s why it is paramount that the wall be impenetrable

No such thing exist except in video games and movies.

 

[kaz]

On a side note, wanting to build a wall to keep the non-whites is about the most anti-libertarian thing I have seen in a long time. Thank you for dropping the charade.

Skimmed the rest. So you're a racist who thinks only brown people are criminals and enter our country illegally and white people only come here legally? Yeah. Only brown people are criminals. How Grand Wizard of you

You are the one that brought up hispanics you dishonest moron.

Once again, you prove what a fundamentally dishonest piece of shit you are. Here is what I responded to

On a side note, wanting to build a wall to keep the non-whites is about the most anti-libertarian thing I have seen in a long time. Thank you for dropping the charade.

In your OP you are the one that brought up Hispanics, you lying fuck.

It is so cute how I called you dishonest and you are parroting me.

OK, so it was your twisting what I said, you dishonest piece of crap.

kaz: "Hispanics over time like all other Americans become more conservative as they become more successful"

You said I only want "non-whites" here. You're the liar.

I said I want NORMAL Hispanics. Not poor Hispanics because Hispanics are as I said "like all other Americans." The poor ones are owned by Democrats and vote for them. That's why I want a wall. To prevent poor Hispanics from coming here and going on welfare like poor WHITE people do, Grand Wizard.

And you think you were honest??? You can't be serious.

I'll tell you what. Let's take all the poor white Americans and trade them for middle class Mexicans. I'll take that deal in a heart beat. Will you?

 

[jillian]

Your rhetorical tone screams “let’s play semantics”...I’ll play along...The wall reduces expense on thirdworld human cockroaches. The ROI is in the savings....TA-DA!

Thank you for that. Now that we have that settled, my plan also reduces expenses from illegal immigration and does so in a manner that saves money instead of spending money, as it is cheaper to have troops stationed on our home soil than in foreign countries.

So, my plan saves the country even more in the long run. Why are you so opposed to the military defending our country vice Europe?

“The wall is forever.”

So is our military.

Military usage is appropriated by POTUS...a Mexicrat POTUS wouldn’t keep troops on the border...they need to grow their constituency, they love illegals...you know this.

only in the delusional minds of people who are such failures that they compete for jobs with people who don't speak English.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

OK, so it was your twisting what I said, you dishonest piece of crap.

kaz: "Hispanics over time like all other Americans become more conservative as they become more successful"

You said I only want "non-whites" here. You're the liar.

I said I want NORMAL Hispanics. Not poor Hispanics because Hispanics are as I said "like all other Americans." The poor ones are owned by Democrats and vote for them.

And you think you were honest??? You can't be serious.

I'll tell you what. Let's take all the poor white Americans and trade them for middle class Mexicans. I'll take that deal in a heart beat. Will you?

So, now in your world poor people are not normal? really that is where you want to go to now? So, you are not only a racist you are an classist as well.

More and more about you just keeps coming out with every post. By all means do not stop.

 

[kaz]

In the end, if we don't build the wall, the Democrats will smother us. They have already flipped California and New Mexico into solid blue States. Illegal voters have turned Nevada light blue. And they have turned Texas and Arizona from solid to light red.

The issue of illegal immigration has been an endless game of kick the can for decades. But this is it. The authoritarian leftist Democrat party is on the verge of a stranglehold on the country and the end of our freedom. That's why the Democrats fight so hysterically against the wall. They don't think it won't work, they know it will.

The reason this is THE issue is that for that reason, every other issue is dependent on the wall. If we don't build the wall, then Texas will eventually flip and with that alone we're done. Hispanics over time like all other Americans become more conservative as they become more successful. But that takes time and a million illegals coming here a year floods that.

I didn't vote for Trump last time for two main reasons. First, I'm a capitalist and he isn't. Free trade is the beating heart of capitalism. Second, he has been a pig to women. Unlike Democrats who voted twice for a sexual predator and again for his hoe who attacked his victims again, that does matter to me.

But now it's down to this. We must end the endless flow now. And for me, my decision of whether I will vote for him comes down to this. Build the wall and I'll vote for him. Don't, and I won't. I can't imagine what would make me flip from that. This is THE political question in our country. We must build the wall, and build it now.

I voted that I did not vote for 2016 but I will in 2020 because I believe/hope he'll actually do it.

Please explain your vote if you voted you will change your vote regarding Trump either way.

You didn’t vote? Then I’ve lost all respect for you loser.

I voted for Gary Johnson....

Who called Trump's wall "asinine".

So your standard is you only vote for people you agree with on every issue? Wow, what a stupid standard. Is that seriously your point?

Not at all. Just ribbing you.

Yes, obviously when you continually argue what Democrats do and you argue again what Democrats do, you were joking ...

 

[IsaacNewton]

So cons that want to build a wall how much have you donated to the 'build a wall' gofundme? Surely you've sent in your check already because, you know, Trump lied about Mexico paying for it. "Trust me" he said and you did and he lied an inch away from your face and you still smell his prostitute breath. So pay for it. His lawyer paid $130,000 for one of his hookers so let's see you Littlle Lying Donald sycophants pay for this wall to nowhere.

I hear Mexico will pay for the impeachment.

 

[LoneLaugher]

You didn’t vote? Then I’ve lost all respect for you loser.

I voted for Gary Johnson....

Who called Trump's wall "asinine".

So your standard is you only vote for people you agree with on every issue? Wow, what a stupid standard. Is that seriously your point?

Not at all. Just ribbing you.

Yes, obviously when you continually argue what Democrats do and you argue again what Democrats do, you were joking ...

Very well said. You should copyright that one.

 

[kaz]

In the end, if we don't build the wall, the Democrats will smother us. They have already flipped California and New Mexico into solid blue States. Illegal voters have turned Nevada light blue. And they have turned Texas and Arizona from solid to light red.

The issue of illegal immigration has been an endless game of kick the can for decades. But this is it. The authoritarian leftist Democrat party is on the verge of a stranglehold on the country and the end of our freedom. That's why the Democrats fight so hysterically against the wall. They don't think it won't work, they know it will.

The reason this is THE issue is that for that reason, every other issue is dependent on the wall. If we don't build the wall, then Texas will eventually flip and with that alone we're done. Hispanics over time like all other Americans become more conservative as they become more successful. But that takes time and a million illegals coming here a year floods that.

I didn't vote for Trump last time for two main reasons. First, I'm a capitalist and he isn't. Free trade is the beating heart of capitalism. Second, he has been a pig to women. Unlike Democrats who voted twice for a sexual predator and again for his hoe who attacked his victims again, that does matter to me.

But now it's down to this. We must end the endless flow now. And for me, my decision of whether I will vote for him comes down to this. Build the wall and I'll vote for him. Don't, and I won't. I can't imagine what would make me flip from that. This is THE political question in our country. We must build the wall, and build it now.

I voted that I did not vote for 2016 but I will in 2020 because I believe/hope he'll actually do it.

Please explain your vote if you voted you will change your vote regarding Trump either way.

I voted third party in every election since 1996, will continue that trend in 2020.

We do not need a wall, building a wall is moving backwards, not forwards. Trump wants a wall because he wants a viable, physical monument to his greatness and a wall is the only way he will get one.

According to Trump himself border crossings are down 80%, and that is without a wall and without a significant increase in the Border Patrol.

The wall is an expense we do not have the money to pay for and it will just become a bigger and bigger expense each year as the maintenance cost on it grow with time and age of the wall.

If you wish to control our southern border to keep the evil brown people out there are three easy steps to do it.

First, use our military for its base purpose, to defend the country. We have roughly 97,000 troops in Europe. Bring half of them home and station them along the border and give them the task of protecting the border.

Second, punish harshly those companies in the US that employ illegal immigrants. Make an example out of a couple of bigger companies and make it so painful that no other company will take the chance of using illegal immigrants as labor.

Third, have a real guest worker program so that those industries that do rely on cheaper labor (agricultural comes to mind) have access to those willing to work.

If you do the 2nd and 3rd thing then the only people trying to sneak across the border are people with ill intent and then they become easy targets for the military guarding the border.

On a side note, wanting to build a wall to keep the non-whites is about the most anti-libertarian thing I have seen in a long time. Thank you for dropping the charade.

How doesn’t the wall pay for itself over time?
You must be doing different math than we are...would you mind walking us through your arithmetic?

When you spend twenty billion bucks, plus future maintenance which is considerable, on a fantasy wall that ignores the reality of where illicit immigration comes from in the first place and therefore has little effect --- where exactly is your ROI on that?

Remember the mantra: "You don't sell products, benefits or solutions ---- you sell FEELINGS". That's what the wall is. It's already been sold, and you lot bought it. The wall isn't an actual wall, it's a fantasy sold to the gullible And Mexico didn't pay for it -- the rest of us in this country did.

A million Mexicans walk up to a reinforced concrete 30 foot wall dug down into the ground. With electric monitoring and surveillance and thousands of more border control agents.

They laugh and say wow, that might as well not be there at all!

Then they proceed to ___ and the million illegal aliens enter the United States ...

So Pogo: You fill in the blank.

What's particularly funny about you leftists is you think the electronic monitoring and surveillance and more border agents will work without the wall, but it won't work with it!

LMAO. What a hillbilly

 

[LoneLaugher]

In the end, if we don't build the wall, the Democrats will smother us. They have already flipped California and New Mexico into solid blue States. Illegal voters have turned Nevada light blue. And they have turned Texas and Arizona from solid to light red.

The issue of illegal immigration has been an endless game of kick the can for decades. But this is it. The authoritarian leftist Democrat party is on the verge of a stranglehold on the country and the end of our freedom. That's why the Democrats fight so hysterically against the wall. They don't think it won't work, they know it will.

The reason this is THE issue is that for that reason, every other issue is dependent on the wall. If we don't build the wall, then Texas will eventually flip and with that alone we're done. Hispanics over time like all other Americans become more conservative as they become more successful. But that takes time and a million illegals coming here a year floods that.

I didn't vote for Trump last time for two main reasons. First, I'm a capitalist and he isn't. Free trade is the beating heart of capitalism. Second, he has been a pig to women. Unlike Democrats who voted twice for a sexual predator and again for his hoe who attacked his victims again, that does matter to me.

But now it's down to this. We must end the endless flow now. And for me, my decision of whether I will vote for him comes down to this. Build the wall and I'll vote for him. Don't, and I won't. I can't imagine what would make me flip from that. This is THE political question in our country. We must build the wall, and build it now.

I voted that I did not vote for 2016 but I will in 2020 because I believe/hope he'll actually do it.

Please explain your vote if you voted you will change your vote regarding Trump either way.

I voted third party in every election since 1996, will continue that trend in 2020.

We do not need a wall, building a wall is moving backwards, not forwards. Trump wants a wall because he wants a viable, physical monument to his greatness and a wall is the only way he will get one.

According to Trump himself border crossings are down 80%, and that is without a wall and without a significant increase in the Border Patrol.

The wall is an expense we do not have the money to pay for and it will just become a bigger and bigger expense each year as the maintenance cost on it grow with time and age of the wall.

If you wish to control our southern border to keep the evil brown people out there are three easy steps to do it.

First, use our military for its base purpose, to defend the country. We have roughly 97,000 troops in Europe. Bring half of them home and station them along the border and give them the task of protecting the border.

Second, punish harshly those companies in the US that employ illegal immigrants. Make an example out of a couple of bigger companies and make it so painful that no other company will take the chance of using illegal immigrants as labor.

Third, have a real guest worker program so that those industries that do rely on cheaper labor (agricultural comes to mind) have access to those willing to work.

If you do the 2nd and 3rd thing then the only people trying to sneak across the border are people with ill intent and then they become easy targets for the military guarding the border.

On a side note, wanting to build a wall to keep the non-whites is about the most anti-libertarian thing I have seen in a long time. Thank you for dropping the charade.

How doesn’t the wall pay for itself over time?
You must be doing different math than we are...would you mind walking us through your arithmetic?

When you spend twenty billion bucks, plus future maintenance which is considerable, on a fantasy wall that ignores the reality of where illicit immigration comes from in the first place and therefore has little effect --- where exactly is your ROI on that?

Remember the mantra: "You don't sell products, benefits or solutions ---- you sell FEELINGS". That's what the wall is. It's already been sold, and you lot bought it. The wall isn't an actual wall, it's a fantasy sold to the gullible And Mexico didn't pay for it -- the rest of us in this country did.

A million Mexicans walk up to a reinforced concrete 30 foot wall dug down into the ground.

They laugh and say wow, that might as well not be there at all!

Then they proceed to ___ and the million illegal aliens enter the United States ...

You fill in the blank

Buy plane tickets. Go around the wall. Enter through a border check point.

 

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In the end, if we don't build the wall, the Democrats will smother us. They have already flipped California and New Mexico into solid blue States. Illegal voters have turned Nevada light blue. And they have turned Texas and Arizona from solid to light red.

The issue of illegal immigration has been an endless game of kick the can for decades. But this is it. The authoritarian leftist Democrat party is on the verge of a stranglehold on the country and the end of our freedom. That's why the Democrats fight so hysterically against the wall. They don't think it won't work, they know it will.

The reason this is THE issue is that for that reason, every other issue is dependent on the wall. If we don't build the wall, then Texas will eventually flip and with that alone we're done. Hispanics over time like all other Americans become more conservative as they become more successful. But that takes time and a million illegals coming here a year floods that.

I didn't vote for Trump last time for two main reasons. First, I'm a capitalist and he isn't. Free trade is the beating heart of capitalism. Second, he has been a pig to women. Unlike Democrats who voted twice for a sexual predator and again for his hoe who attacked his victims again, that does matter to me.

But now it's down to this. We must end the endless flow now. And for me, my decision of whether I will vote for him comes down to this. Build the wall and I'll vote for him. Don't, and I won't. I can't imagine what would make me flip from that. This is THE political question in our country. We must build the wall, and build it now.

I voted that I did not vote for 2016 but I will in 2020 because I believe/hope he'll actually do it.

Please explain your vote if you voted you will change your vote regarding Trump either way.

I voted third party in every election since 1996, will continue that trend in 2020.

We do not need a wall, building a wall is moving backwards, not forwards. Trump wants a wall because he wants a viable, physical monument to his greatness and a wall is the only way he will get one.

According to Trump himself border crossings are down 80%, and that is without a wall and without a significant increase in the Border Patrol.

The wall is an expense we do not have the money to pay for and it will just become a bigger and bigger expense each year as the maintenance cost on it grow with time and age of the wall.

If you wish to control our southern border to keep the evil brown people out there are three easy steps to do it.

First, use our military for its base purpose, to defend the country. We have roughly 97,000 troops in Europe. Bring half of them home and station them along the border and give them the task of protecting the border.

Second, punish harshly those companies in the US that employ illegal immigrants. Make an example out of a couple of bigger companies and make it so painful that no other company will take the chance of using illegal immigrants as labor.

Third, have a real guest worker program so that those industries that do rely on cheaper labor (agricultural comes to mind) have access to those willing to work.

If you do the 2nd and 3rd thing then the only people trying to sneak across the border are people with ill intent and then they become easy targets for the military guarding the border.

On a side note, wanting to build a wall to keep the non-whites is about the most anti-libertarian thing I have seen in a long time. Thank you for dropping the charade.

On a side note, wanting to build a wall to keep the non-whites is about the most anti-libertarian thing I have seen in a long time. Thank you for dropping the charade.

Do you typically put your libertarian beliefs ahead of Constitutional authority and the legal responsibility of our federal government?

What is it about using the military to defend our country goes against the Constitutional authority and the legal responsibility of our federal government?

Because it's a stupid plan. Instead of just building and defending a wall, you want the military chasing thousands of people across the desert every night. Only a moron would propose that. Or someone who wants them to fail ...

You have a very shity opinoin of the capabilities of our military.

And if you implement the first two steps you no longer have 1000s crossing the border every night.

Um ... what?

That I think building a wall and defending it is more efficient than the military chasing thousands of people across the desert every night is a reference to the "capabilities" of our military? Seriously?

My God, why on earth do you want to subject your children to the same crappy government education that you got?

Oy vey. If the military is capable of chasing thousands of people across the desert every night, they need to do it! Wow. That was your actual argument