CDZ Can the KKK, the Black Panther, and Other Similar Groups Be Considered As Terrorists?

[Asclepias]

The KKK has a tradition of murder and mayhem and indeed is a terrorist organization. But their exploits were not for change. Their mission is to preserve the tradition of separatism and white supremacy by any means necessary, including murder . On the other hand the Black Panthers have not killed except in self defense ; nor has their violence amounted to anything other than self defense against police brutality as far as I can see. That is the difference between those two organizations and is quite significant in my opinion.

The KKK was formed for the purpose of committing terrorist acts, the Black Panthers were not.

That's an opinion.
Huey P. Newton - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

So is Wiki. Matter of fact its anyones opinion.

Black Panther Party founded African American Registry

"Sat, 1966-10-15
On this date in 1966, the Black Panther Party (BPP) was founded. It was a Black political organization; originally known as the Black Panther Party for Self-Defense.

The BPP originated in Oakland, California, by founders Huey Newton and Bobby Seale. The Original six members of the Black Panthers included Elbert “Big Man” Howard, Sherman Forte, Reggie Forte, Little Bobby Hutton, and Newton and Seale. They adopted the Black Panther symbol from an independent political party established the previous year by Black residents of Lowndes County, Alabama. The Panthers also supported the Black Power movement, which stressed racial dignity and self-reliance."

That's like calling Obamacare "The Affordable Care Act"

It's false advertising.

Since more people are able to get healthcare and its affordable for them I agree. What I dont agree with is the implication that the BPP was anything like the KKK.

 

[JQPublic1]

Which of these facts do you dispute, and why?

The Conservatives:

• Conservatives fought to expand slavery while Liberals fought to end it.
• Conservatives passed those discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws.
• Conservatives supported and passed the Missouri Compromise to protect slavery.
• Conservatives supported and passed the Kansas Nebraska Act to expand slavery.
• Conservatives supported and backed the Dred Scott Decision.
• Conservatives opposed educating blacks and murdered our teachers.
• Conservatives fought against anti-lynching laws.
• Conservative Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, is well known for having been a "Kleagle" in the Ku Klux Klan.
• Conservative Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, personally filibustered the Civil Rights Act of 1964 for 14 straight hours to keep it from passage.
• Conservatives passed the Repeal Act of 1894 that overturned civil right laws enacted by Liberals.
• Conservatives declared that they would rather vote for a "yellow dog" than vote for a Republican liberal, because the Republican Party was known as the party for blacks.
• Conservative President Woodrow Wilson, reintroduced segregation throughout the federal government immediately upon taking office in 1913.
• Conservative President Franklin D. Roosevelt's first appointment to the Supreme Court was a life member of the Ku Klux Klan, Sen. Hugo Black, Conservative of Alabama.
• Conservative President Franklin D. Roosevelt's choice for vice president in 1944 was Harry Truman, who had joined the Ku Klux Klan in Kansas City in 1922.
• Conservative President Franklin D. Roosevelt resisted Liberal efforts to pass a federal law against lynching.
• Conservative President Franklin D. Roosevelt opposed integration of the armed forces.
• Conservative Senators Sam Ervin, Albert Gore, Sr. and Robert Byrd were the chief opponents of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
• Conservatives supported and backed Judge John Ferguson in the case of Plessy v Ferguson.
• Conservatives supported the School Board of Topeka Kansas in the case of Brown v The Board of Education of Topeka Kansas.
• Conservative public safety commissioner Eugene "Bull" Connor, in Birmingham, Ala., unleashed vicious dogs and turned fire hoses on black civil rights demonstrators.
• Conservatives were who Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and the other protesters were fighting.
• Conservative Georgia Governor Lester Maddox "brandished an ax hammer to prevent blacks from patronizing his restaurant.
• Conservative Governor George Wallace stood in front of the Alabama schoolhouse in 1963, declaring there would be segregation forever.
• Conservative Arkansas Governor Faubus tried to prevent desegregation of Little Rock public schools.
• Conservative Senator John F. Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil rights Act.
• Conservative President John F. Kennedy opposed the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King.
• Conservative President John F. Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI.
• Conservative President Bill Clinton's mentor was U.S. Senator J. William Fulbright, an Arkansas Conservative and a supporter of racial segregation.
• Conservative President Bill Clinton interned for J. William Fulbright in 1966-67.
• Conservative Senator J. William Fulbright signed the Southern Manifesto opposing the Supreme Court's 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education decision.
• Conservative Senator J. William Fulbright joined with the Dixiecrats in filibustering the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1964.
• Conservative Senator J. William Fulbright voted against the 1965 Voting Rights Act.
• Southern Conservatives opposed desegregation and integration.

Conservatives opposed:

1. The Emancipation Proclamation
2. The 13th Amendment
3. The 14th Amendment
4. The 15th Amendment
5. The Reconstruction Act of 1867
6. The Civil Rights of 1866
7. The Enforcement Act of 1870
8. The Forced Act of 1871
9. The Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871
10. The Civil Rights Act of 1875
    
11. The Civil Rights Act of 1957
12. The Civil Rights Act of 1960
13. The United State Civil Rights Commission

The Liberals:

• Liberals enacted civil rights laws in the 1950's and 1960's, over the objection of Conservatives.
• Liberals founded the HBCU's (Historical Black College's and Universities) and started the NAACP to counter the racist practices of the Conservatives.
• Liberals pushed through much of the ground-breaking civil rights legislation in Congress.
• Liberals fought slavery and amended the Constitution to grant blacks freedom, citizenship and the right to vote.
• Liberals pushed through much of the groundbreaking civil rights legislation from the 1860s through the 1960s.
• liberal Republican President Dwight Eisenhower sent troops into the South to desegregate the schools.
• liberal Republican President Eisenhower appointed Chief Justice Earl Warren to the Supreme Court, which resulted in the 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education decision.
• liberal Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois, not Conservative President Lyndon Johnson, was the one who pushed through the civil rights laws of the 1960's.
• liberal Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois wrote the language for the 1965 Voting Rights Act.
• liberal Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois also crafted the language for the Civil Rights Act of 1968 which prohibited discrimination in housing.
• Republican liberal and black American, A. Phillip Randolph, organized the 1963 March by Dr. King on Washington.

Well, it's pretty obvious you can't dispute any of the facts listed or you would have. I'm not trying to convince you of anything, just stating facts. The Democratic Party has a long history of racism and they still practice it. None of you have given anything of substance, just denial of history and saying "nu uh, Republicans are the racists", even though you can't name any other than David Duke (the one the Republican Party rebuked, unlike the Democrats and Robert Byrd). You can stay on the plantation your whole life if you want, but if I was black I would be embarrassed to have loyalty to a party that tells me I'm not intelligent enough to compete with the rest of society and need government to take care of me. But I guess it's easier than working.

The point has been and always has been that the conservatives are the hard core supporters of racism. Thats pretty much what conservative means. They want things to remain the same. Those things are control of the systems and resources that support white male superiority. There is a reason most conservatives hate AA. They have had a head start for 400 years and that was not enough for them.

So stay on the plantation, I don't care. It's your life that's being wasted, not mine.

aw...naw he didn't say that... BLAHHAHAHA! dayum son I believes you is tryin' to be a bleeding heart liberal. You cares fo' me. Now how do you explain my college degree, my Corvette and my
2014 CHRYSLER parked in the garage of my $300,000 shack. Should I be worried about some damn fictitious plantation? YOU ARE SO SILLY...chuckles!

If you want to flame, why don't you go to the Flame Zone?

When you start talking about Democrat Plantations, that IS silly.To advise you of that is NOT flaming!

 

[FA_Q2]

The KKK has a tradition of murder and mayhem and indeed is a terrorist organization. But their exploits were not for change. Their mission is to preserve the tradition of separatism and white supremacy by any means necessary, including murder . On the other hand the Black Panthers have not killed except in self defense ; nor has their violence amounted to anything other than self defense against police brutality as far as I can see. That is the difference between those two organizations and is quite significant in my opinion.

The KKK was formed for the purpose of committing terrorist acts, the Black Panthers were not.

That's an opinion.
Huey P. Newton - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

So is Wiki. Matter of fact its anyones opinion.

Black Panther Party founded African American Registry

"Sat, 1966-10-15
On this date in 1966, the Black Panther Party (BPP) was founded. It was a Black political organization; originally known as the Black Panther Party for Self-Defense.

The BPP originated in Oakland, California, by founders Huey Newton and Bobby Seale. The Original six members of the Black Panthers included Elbert “Big Man” Howard, Sherman Forte, Reggie Forte, Little Bobby Hutton, and Newton and Seale. They adopted the Black Panther symbol from an independent political party established the previous year by Black residents of Lowndes County, Alabama. The Panthers also supported the Black Power movement, which stressed racial dignity and self-reliance."

Defense - LOL

Gota defend from those cracker babies.

 

[Asclepias]

The KKK has a tradition of murder and mayhem and indeed is a terrorist organization. But their exploits were not for change. Their mission is to preserve the tradition of separatism and white supremacy by any means necessary, including murder . On the other hand the Black Panthers have not killed except in self defense ; nor has their violence amounted to anything other than self defense against police brutality as far as I can see. That is the difference between those two organizations and is quite significant in my opinion.

The KKK was formed for the purpose of committing terrorist acts, the Black Panthers were not.

That's an opinion.
Huey P. Newton - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

So is Wiki. Matter of fact its anyones opinion.

Black Panther Party founded African American Registry

"Sat, 1966-10-15
On this date in 1966, the Black Panther Party (BPP) was founded. It was a Black political organization; originally known as the Black Panther Party for Self-Defense.

The BPP originated in Oakland, California, by founders Huey Newton and Bobby Seale. The Original six members of the Black Panthers included Elbert “Big Man” Howard, Sherman Forte, Reggie Forte, Little Bobby Hutton, and Newton and Seale. They adopted the Black Panther symbol from an independent political party established the previous year by Black residents of Lowndes County, Alabama. The Panthers also supported the Black Power movement, which stressed racial dignity and self-reliance."

Defense - LOL

Gota defend from those cracker babies.

Different group.

 

[JQPublic1]

The KKK has a tradition of murder and mayhem and indeed is a terrorist organization. But their exploits were not for change. Their mission is to preserve the tradition of separatism and white supremacy by any means necessary, including murder . On the other hand the Black Panthers have not killed except in self defense ; nor has their violence amounted to anything other than self defense against police brutality as far as I can see. That is the difference between those two organizations and is quite significant in my opinion.

The KKK was formed for the purpose of committing terrorist acts, the Black Panthers were not.

That's an opinion.
Huey P. Newton - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

So is Wiki. Matter of fact its anyones opinion.

Black Panther Party founded African American Registry

"Sat, 1966-10-15
On this date in 1966, the Black Panther Party (BPP) was founded. It was a Black political organization; originally known as the Black Panther Party for Self-Defense.

The BPP originated in Oakland, California, by founders Huey Newton and Bobby Seale. The Original six members of the Black Panthers included Elbert “Big Man” Howard, Sherman Forte, Reggie Forte, Little Bobby Hutton, and Newton and Seale. They adopted the Black Panther symbol from an independent political party established the previous year by Black residents of Lowndes County, Alabama. The Panthers also supported the Black Power movement, which stressed racial dignity and self-reliance."

Defense - LOL

Gota defend from those cracker babies.

Your clip was not convincing. One loudmouth Black guy dons a black beret yells through a microphone on a public street and he suddenly becomes a spokesman for the Black Panther Party. I'm not buying it. Let the record speak for itself, not this self appointed chronicler of hate. BTW, perhaps it escaped me but I did not see anything, with the exception of the beret, to associate this guy with the BPP. He may be ....BUT.....just saying....

 

[S.J.]

They defended him when he was harassing white voters in Philadelphia.

 

[JQPublic1]

They defended him when he was harassing white voters in Philadelphia.

How was the "harassing" carried out? Did he just look at them mean, or was there some physical interaction as well? In this age of cell phones, surely there must be a video of this alleged harassment.

 

[S.J.]

See what I mean?

 

[Asclepias]

They defended him when he was harassing white voters in Philadelphia.

Did they erect a burning cross on his lawn or lynch his pregnant wife remove the fetus and sell the parts for sovereigns?

 

[LindaVance826]

By looking at a simple definition of 'terror' we see that these groups have and may be currently causing terror for some ethnic groups. This is in no way different to any other group classed as 'terrorists' except that they come from the USA. I think, that it does make sense. What about you?

If a group of people in white sheets were in my front yard burning a cross, I would be terrified. The Black Panthers - if they kidnapped me, I would be terrified. To me they are terrorists. But, there are terrorists, and then there are terrorists. KKK and Black Panthers blend in with "normal" society. They have a set of values that they live by that are acceptable to civilized people. ISIS is demonic. They are vile animals that need to be put down with any means available. KKK and Black Panthers would kill them, in my opinion.

 

[fmdog44]

They are all washed up. The mouthy gangs of the 60s and 70s are now all on Wall street making money. A terrorist organization declares it intentions and them follows up with acts of murder. The KKK and Panthers would lose their jobs and their wives would beat them with leftover casserole dishes.

 

[JQPublic1]

See what I mean?

No, I don't see what you mean! I am not defending the actions of this guy, I just want to be sure of what those actions were... that is... if it's ok XXXXXXXXXXXX

 

[S.J.]

They defended him when he was harassing white voters in Philadelphia.

Did they erect a burning cross on his lawn or lynch his pregnant wife remove the fetus and sell the parts for sovereigns?

No, they just try to get others to "kill some cracker babies".

 

[S.J.]

See what I mean?

No, I don't see what you mean! I am not defending the actions of this guy, I just want to be sure of what those actions were... that is... if it's ok with you shallow thinkers!

The question wasn't directed to you.

 

[JQPublic1]

By looking at a simple definition of 'terror' we see that these groups have and may be currently causing terror for some ethnic groups. This is in no way different to any other group classed as 'terrorists' except that they come from the USA. I think, that it does make sense. What about you?

If a group of people in white sheets were in my front yard burning a cross, I would be terrified. The Black Panthers - if they kidnapped me, I would be terrified. To me they are terrorists. But, there are terrorists, and then there are terrorists. KKK and Black Panthers blend in with "normal" society. They have a set of values that they live by that are acceptable to civilized people. ISIS is demonic. They are vile animals that need to be put down with any means available. KKK and Black Panthers would kill them, in my opinion.

I think you are confusing defensive militancy with terrorism in judging the BPP. Again, the KKK has demonstrated an innate and overt propensity for murder, violence and mayhem while the new BPP has only voiced their hate but has not acted on it. One group, the KKK, has murdered to prevent American citizens from attaining all the civil liberties White people enjoy, The new BPP, seemingly has degraded into a coven of ex cons only interested in posturing and articulating empty threats as a haphazard defense against racism!
They don't speak for Back Christians, that is for certain! The KKK, though, seems to speak for Southern White Christians and probably go to church with them!

 

[JQPublic1]

See what I mean?

No, I don't see what you mean! I am not defending the actions of this guy, I just want to be sure of what those actions were... that is... if it's ok with you shallow thinkers!

The question wasn't directed to you.

Well, my response was directed at YOU! But if you want to ignore it, I understand...

 

[rightwinger]

They defended him when he was harassing white voters in Philadelphia.

Looks like two young men defending their second amendment rights

Would the two men be more acceptable to the right if they were carrying AK-47s?

 

[Asclepias]

See what I mean?

No, I don't see what you mean! I am not defending the actions of this guy, I just want to be sure of what those actions were... that is... if it's ok with you shallow thinkers!

The question wasn't directed to you.

Tough. Try to deal with it the best way possible.

 

[S.J.]

They defended him when he was harassing white voters in Philadelphia.

Looks like two young men defending their second amendment rights

Would the two men be more acceptable to the right if they were carrying AK-47s?

Voter intimidation is against the law, not that it matters to anyone here.

 

[rightwinger]

They defended him when he was harassing white voters in Philadelphia.

Looks like two young men defending their second amendment rights

Would the two men be more acceptable to the right if they were carrying AK-47s?

Voter intimidation is against the law, not that it matters to anyone here.

How can someone exercising their second amendment rights be voter intimidation?

What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?