Case closed, Zimmerman's a gonner

[LoneLaugher]

Very strange post. Are you OK?

Every leftist in the forum wants to lynch Zimmerman - facts and evidence be damned. Since you generally reflect only what is on ThinkProgress, I'm trying to figure out what the angle of the radical left is in wanting this guy lynched? Is it that the left has decided that you hate Hispanics, so you want Zimmerman to go down? Is it because your Messiah® said that if he had a son, that son would be a gangbanger like Trayvon? I'm just trying to figure out why the radical left has a dog in this fight?

Hmmmm.

I will now say several things that are 100% truthful. You will not believe me. We will then continue to insult each other.....until you give up out of embarrassment.

I have no interest in ThinkProgress and can count on one hand the number of times I have visited their website of my own volition.

I have no idea what you are talking about with wanting this dude lynched. I am opposed to the death penalty. I do not want him lynched.

I have expressed my opinion that, by law, this man is innocent until proven otherwise. I maintain that opinion to this moment.

Do I think the kid would be alive if he never met Zimmerman? Yep.
Do I think Zimmerman wishes he never followed the kid? Yep

Am I generally disgusted by the STRONG desire on the part of almost every nutter here to defend Zimmerman? Yep.

Now....fuck off.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Prosecutor's objections sustained 4-times in a row. GZ lawyer making mistakes, trying to go around the rules.

Oldest legal trick in the book.

When you don't have the facts on your side argue procedural issues instead.

Only problem is that it is a poor substitute for an actual defense case.

You didnt watch did you? Prosecution got spanked.

 

[Ernie S.]

That's not entirely true. I'm a he, not a she.

Oh... and I did not say it was invalid I merely said something to the effect of he's not telling all of the truth. Which panned out moments later on cross, when he said it was hostility. Of course hostility being a level of anger.

My apologies. I was doing that to draw you out of hiding. He was asked if the words "fucking punks" and "assholes" pervaded a sense of hostility, not if Zimmerman was hostile. I see the little trick they used. The link and the logic are flawed.

Apologies, dude... them's fighting words where I come from. I don't need no stinkin applogy! heh..

To the trick.. either way, the words used pervaded a sense of hostility. Whether or not the emotion of anger/hate was heard by the dispatcher isn't really important. The prosecution needs to show state of mind. The words GJ used were not exactly calm and indifferent words. Further, the followup that had him calling 911 for the stuff getting stolen in the other incident, again with the black guys.. The prosecution is ticking off the stuff they have to show that GJ was vigilante. Wish we could see the reactions of the jury to see if they picked up on the same thing.

Interesting...

Why do you refer to Jorge Zimmerman as GJ?

 

[koshergrl]

Don't worry, the disgust is entirely mutual.

I think people who rally to prevent people from defending themselves from criminals are disgusting. I think people who circumvent the law in order to punish those who dare to refuse to die at the hands of criminals are disgusting.

They are the same people who villify rape victims, and insist that abortion clinics continue to operate with zero oversight.

They're nasty, foul people.

Carry on.

 

[RKMBrown]

Why do you refer to Jorge Zimmerman as GJ?

Brain fart.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Don't worry, the disgust is entirely mutual.

I think people who rally to prevent people from defending themselves from criminals are disgusting. I think people who circumvent the law in order to punish those who dare to refuse to die at the hands of criminals are disgusting.

They are the same people who villify rape victims, and insist that abortion clinics continue to operate with zero oversight.

They're nasty, foul people.

Carry on.

You........are.........crazy.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

The reason for my comment is in bold. I am not bored by facts, I'm bored by the defense version of the facts.

You have some evidence that contradicts Defense's opening argument?

Trevon Martin does not get to attack a guy that is following him because he is black. For too many, being black is an excuse for antisocial behavior. It's a piss poor excuse!

He did not attack Zimmerman. The Prosecutor said there was no blood on Trevon's hands, none of Zimmerman's blood was on Trevon, Trevon's blood was on Zimmerman though.

He killed that kid in cold blood.

You repeat the same shit over and over. Had you watched you would have learned that they didnt bag TMs hands and it was raining.
They showed compelling evidence(damn near irrefutable) that TM was shot while he was on top of GZ.
I cant wait for GZ to walk.

 

[freedombecki]

The question to be decided, of course, and unsaid, is that of whether a lighter skinned man can kill with impunity a skittles-carrying darker man.

Self-defense, allowed even for an Hispanic Democrat.

No blood on Travon's hands and none of Travon's dna on the gun.. It wasn't self defense.

According to the Miami Herald:

Detailed forensics reports in the Trayvon Martin killing show the victim’s DNA wasn’t on the gun that killed him and very little of it landed on the shooter’s clothes, according to evidence released Wednesday.
While the Miami Gardens teenager’s supporters saw the state’s crime lab blood-work results as proof that an innocent teen was attacked, experts say the evidence won’t produce any courtroom bombshells for either side.

Read more here: Blood work tests released in Zimmerman murder trial - Trayvon Martin - MiamiHerald.com​

They also agreed that Trayvon wouldn’t necessarily get DNA under his fingernails, even if he had punched Zimmerman.

“What prosecutors want to prove is not going to be proven or supported by DNA findings,” said Lawrence Kobilinsky, a forensics professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York. “I don’t see anything that differentiates between Trayvon being the aggressor or vice versa.”

The consensus of detached forensics specialists seems to be that the dearth of DNA simply doesn't say "he did it."

Read more here: Blood work tests released in Zimmerman murder trial - Trayvon Martin - MiamiHerald.com​

Bloodwork tests revealed in Zimmerman murder trial

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

After watching the entire questioning phase, the 911 dispatcher's testimony stood out the most. The defense asked Knoffke (sp?) if Zimmerman was acting as if he had any malice, ill will or spite towards Martin, to which he replied that he didn't, and he further testified that Zimmerman did not seem to be profiling him. The comments "these assholes" or "these punks" did not suggest anything according to the questions by the defense. The prosecution was called for speculation and the Judge sustained, at least three separate instances.

Mrs. Rumph took the stand, and was asked some technical questions, during the questioning, the Prosecutor played a call from August 2011 placed by Zimmerman in regards to a burglary that day. He described the assailant as black. They tried to establish prior intentions based on that August 2011 call in regards to the call on February 26, 2012, to which the Defense called the Prosecution on relevance. The Prosecutor contends that he is trying to establish prior bad acts. The prosecution is trying to call the character of Zimmerman into question, as well as contend that he profiled Martin, and by my count, failed. The only time you call the defendant's character and beliefs into question is if your original argument is debunked or countered effectively.

The prosecution just had one of it main contentions blown out of the water on day one.

The dispatcher is a young white guy talking to another young white guy about "this" punk. I'm also white and I hear anger, I hear profiling of this punk. So what if some of the people in their area like this dispatcher are good with killing "these" punks, does that doesn't make vigilantism ok, or does it? Hell look at GJ and the dispatcher they are getting mad just listening to the tape again. If it was a white girl in a sun dress they would not be talking about her this way.

A white girl in a sundress wouldn't have attacked GZ. We wouldnt be here.

 

[Ernie S.]

Why do you refer to Jorge Zimmerman as GJ?

Brain fart.

I had one of those once. I voted for Jimmy Carter. (only once, though)
Just wondering. I've seen it several times.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Because he was getting the shit kicked out of him..... Guns scare you dont they?

And because he didn't want to shoot the kid. That's why he told that one guy, who approached, said he was calling 911, and then retreated, "no just help me". He wanted him to pull Martin off.

But that asshole left and went into his house, and then heard a gunshot.

That's what happens when pansy asses won't help a person getting the shit kicked out of him. People die. Bet you money the guy was a progressive piece of shit, afraid to interfere in a personal dispute between two people of color...he might accidentally help one of them! Omg! Horrors! Better call for state intervention...

>>> "no just help me". He wanted him to pull Martin off.

Still does not sound like a guy who thought he was about to die. Maybe a guy pinned to the ground but not a guy about to die.

So how did GZ get all his injuries?

 

[RKMBrown]

Don't worry, the disgust is entirely mutual.

I think people who rally to prevent people from defending themselves from criminals are disgusting. I think people who circumvent the law in order to punish those who dare to refuse to die at the hands of criminals are disgusting.

They are the same people who villify rape victims, and insist that abortion clinics continue to operate with zero oversight.

They're nasty, foul people.

Carry on.

Why are you trying to make this murder case an issue of guns, rape, and abortions? The issue is whether or not Zimmerman murdered the kid. The kid had every right to self defense as did Zimmerman. This is not a liberals vs conservatives fight. This is an issue of a boy getting killed and us finding out if Zimmerman killed him in cold blood or self defense. Was Zimmerman's life in jeopardy or not. You are making an assumption that everyone listening to the trial has already made up their minds based on their gun stance. That's ridiculous. Zim could of done the same thing with a buck knife.

 

[koshergrl]

Don't worry, the disgust is entirely mutual.

I think people who rally to prevent people from defending themselves from criminals are disgusting. I think people who circumvent the law in order to punish those who dare to refuse to die at the hands of criminals are disgusting.

They are the same people who villify rape victims, and insist that abortion clinics continue to operate with zero oversight.

They're nasty, foul people.

Carry on.

You........are.........crazy.

I'm not a member of the lynch mob out to get the Hispanic dude who dared to try to defend himself in his own gated community. The fact that you think that makes ME crazy says much about you.

 

[Sarah G]

Self-defense, allowed even for an Hispanic Democrat.

No blood on Travon's hands and none of Travon's dna on the gun.. It wasn't self defense.

According to the Miami Herald:

Detailed forensics reports in the Trayvon Martin killing show the victim’s DNA wasn’t on the gun that killed him and very little of it landed on the shooter’s clothes, according to evidence released Wednesday.
While the Miami Gardens teenager’s supporters saw the state’s crime lab blood-work results as proof that an innocent teen was attacked, experts say the evidence won’t produce any courtroom bombshells for either side.

Read more here: Blood work tests released in Zimmerman murder trial - Trayvon Martin - MiamiHerald.com​

They also agreed that Trayvon wouldn’t necessarily get DNA under his fingernails, even if he had punched Zimmerman.

“What prosecutors want to prove is not going to be proven or supported by DNA findings,” said Lawrence Kobilinsky, a forensics professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York. “I don’t see anything that differentiates between Trayvon being the aggressor or vice versa.”

The consensus of detached forensics specialists seems to be that the dearth of DNA simply doesn't say "he did it."

Read more here: Blood work tests released in Zimmerman murder trial - Trayvon Martin - MiamiHerald.com​

Bloodwork tests revealed in Zimmerman murder trial

Why wasn't there any blood on Travon's hands, Zimmerman said Travon covered up his nose and mouth with his hands. His nose and mouth were bloody. You all are really grasping at straws here.

 

[koshergrl]

Don't worry, the disgust is entirely mutual.

I think people who rally to prevent people from defending themselves from criminals are disgusting. I think people who circumvent the law in order to punish those who dare to refuse to die at the hands of criminals are disgusting.

They are the same people who villify rape victims, and insist that abortion clinics continue to operate with zero oversight.

They're nasty, foul people.

Carry on.

Why are you trying to make this murder case an issue of guns, rape, and abortions? The issue is whether or not Zimmerman murdered the kid. The kid had every right to self defense as did Zimmerman. This is not a liberals vs conservatives fight. This is an issue of a boy getting killed and us finding out if Zimmerman killed him in cold blood or self defense. Was Zimmerman's life in jeopardy or not. You are making an assumption that everyone listening to the trial has already made up their minds based on their gun stance. That's ridiculous. Zim could of done the same thing with a buck knife.

I'm not making it about rape and abortions..though it certainly is about guns.

Your obvious inability to understand words like "attack" and "murder" and "self defense" is what identifies you as a progressive yahoo.

That's the point I was making. You loons always come down on the side that punishes people for defending themselves. Because it's all about removing the right of people to defend themselves. No matter what the issue. This, or abortion, or euthanasia, or rape...you always side with the ones trying to kill or accost someone who doesn't deserve it.

Cuz that's the sort of people you are.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

That's a fact. But if the guy with the gun provoked the confrontation, then killed someone, he is going to jail for a long time.

The only kind of "provocation" that would justify Treyvon bashing his skull in would be if Zimmerman actually started pounding him. Following him or looking at him the wrong way doesn't qualify. That's the mentality of ghetto thugs.

Nonsense. If GZ had put TM in fear of his life or limb by following him and making when the weapon visible, and TM then assaulted GZ, GZ is in the wrong if he shot TM.

Thank God you are not GZ's lawyers. He would get the death penalty for crossing the street with you guys defending him.

I gotta say,thats the most twisted logic I have ever heard.

 

[koshergrl]

No blood on Travon's hands and none of Travon's dna on the gun.. It wasn't self defense.

According to the Miami Herald:

Detailed forensics reports in the Trayvon Martin killing show the victim’s DNA wasn’t on the gun that killed him and very little of it landed on the shooter’s clothes, according to evidence released Wednesday.
While the Miami Gardens teenager’s supporters saw the state’s crime lab blood-work results as proof that an innocent teen was attacked, experts say the evidence won’t produce any courtroom bombshells for either side.

Read more here: Blood work tests released in Zimmerman murder trial - Trayvon Martin - MiamiHerald.com​

They also agreed that Trayvon wouldn’t necessarily get DNA under his fingernails, even if he had punched Zimmerman.

“What prosecutors want to prove is not going to be proven or supported by DNA findings,” said Lawrence Kobilinsky, a forensics professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York. “I don’t see anything that differentiates between Trayvon being the aggressor or vice versa.”

The consensus of detached forensics specialists seems to be that the dearth of DNA simply doesn't say "he did it."

Read more here: Blood work tests released in Zimmerman murder trial - Trayvon Martin - MiamiHerald.com​

Bloodwork tests revealed in Zimmerman murder trial

Why wasn't there any blood on Travon's hands, Zimmerman said Travon covered up his nose and mouth with his hands. His nose and mouth were bloody. You all are really grasping at straws here.

 

[RKMBrown]

And because he didn't want to shoot the kid. That's why he told that one guy, who approached, said he was calling 911, and then retreated, "no just help me". He wanted him to pull Martin off.

But that asshole left and went into his house, and then heard a gunshot.

That's what happens when pansy asses won't help a person getting the shit kicked out of him. People die. Bet you money the guy was a progressive piece of shit, afraid to interfere in a personal dispute between two people of color...he might accidentally help one of them! Omg! Horrors! Better call for state intervention...

>>> "no just help me". He wanted him to pull Martin off.

Still does not sound like a guy who thought he was about to die. Maybe a guy pinned to the ground but not a guy about to die.

So how did GZ get all his injuries?

No idea. He said he tripped.. maybe he tripped and fell. Maybe they wrestled around and he his head hit a rock. Maybe it was self inflicted. Maybe he got them before he even called into the dispatcher. All I know for sure is that GZ has already shown he's ready willing and able to lie. His lying about the money to the Judge ... yeah I won't forget that. I wonder if the prosecution will be able to tell the jury about that. My gut says don't trust anything GZ says. I'll believe the stuff GZ says for which there is physical proof.

 

[koshergrl]

The only kind of "provocation" that would justify Treyvon bashing his skull in would be if Zimmerman actually started pounding him. Following him or looking at him the wrong way doesn't qualify. That's the mentality of ghetto thugs.

Nonsense. If GZ had put TM in fear of his life or limb by following him and making when the weapon visible, and TM then assaulted GZ, GZ is in the wrong if he shot TM.

Thank God you are not GZ's lawyers. He would get the death penalty for crossing the street with you guys defending him.

I gotta say,thats the most twisted logic I have ever heard.

He's gotta million of em.

 

[freedombecki]

No blood on Travon's hands and none of Travon's dna on the gun.. It wasn't self defense.

According to the Miami Herald:

Detailed forensics reports in the Trayvon Martin killing show the victim’s DNA wasn’t on the gun that killed him and very little of it landed on the shooter’s clothes, according to evidence released Wednesday.
While the Miami Gardens teenager’s supporters saw the state’s crime lab blood-work results as proof that an innocent teen was attacked, experts say the evidence won’t produce any courtroom bombshells for either side.

Read more here: Blood work tests released in Zimmerman murder trial - Trayvon Martin - MiamiHerald.com​

They also agreed that Trayvon wouldn’t necessarily get DNA under his fingernails, even if he had punched Zimmerman.

“What prosecutors want to prove is not going to be proven or supported by DNA findings,” said Lawrence Kobilinsky, a forensics professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York. “I don’t see anything that differentiates between Trayvon being the aggressor or vice versa.”

The consensus of detached forensics specialists seems to be that the dearth of DNA simply doesn't say "he did it."

Read more here: Blood work tests released in Zimmerman murder trial - Trayvon Martin - MiamiHerald.com​

Bloodwork tests revealed in Zimmerman murder trial

Why wasn't there any blood on Travon's hands, Zimmerman said Travon covered up his nose and mouth with his hands. His nose and mouth were bloody. You all are really grasping at straws here.

Had you taken a moment to read the entire report, you would realize that you are. I was only trying to break it to you gently.