Christopher Columbus' So-Called American 'Discovery' Leaves Little To Celebrate

[tinydancer]

Considering Columbus never set foot in America how did he commit genocide against First Nations?

 

[Lakhota]

Considering Columbus never set foot in America how did he commit genocide against First Nations?

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8 Myths and Atrocities About Christopher Columbus and Columbus Day

 

[tinydancer]

Let's see. Indigenous peoples day vs Columbus day. Both had slaves. Both were brutal to their enemies.

No one touched the Comanches though. Don't hand me this shit that all First Nations were angelic.

"S C Gwynne, author of Empire Of The Summer Moon about the rise and fall of the Comanche, says simply: ‘No tribe in the history of the Spanish, French, Mexican, Texan, and American occupations of this land had ever caused so much havoc and death. None was even a close second.’

He refers to the ‘demonic immorality’ of Comanche attacks on white settlers, the way in which torture, killings and gang-rapes were routine. ‘The logic of Comanche raids was straightforward,’ he explains. "

How Comanche Indians butchered babies and roasted enemies alive | Daily Mail Online

When the Texans suggested they swap the Comanche prisoners for their captives, the Indians tortured every one of those captives to death instead.

‘One by one, the children and young women were pegged out naked beside the camp fire,’ according to a contemporary account. ‘They were skinned, sliced, and horribly mutilated, and finally burned alive by vengeful women determined to wring the last shriek and convulsion from their agonised bodies. Matilda Lockhart’s six-year-old sister was among these unfortunates who died screaming under the high plains moon.’

Not only were the Comanche specialists in torture, they were also the most ferocious and successful warriors — indeed, they become known as ‘Lords of the Plains’.

They were as imperialist and genocidal as the white settlers who eventually vanquished them."


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[tinydancer]

Considering Columbus never set foot in America how did he commit genocide against First Nations?

Read and learn...

8 Myths and Atrocities About Christopher Columbus and Columbus Day

He never set foot in America. I'm actually surprised that we don't all celebrate Leif Erikson Day.

 

[Lakhota]

Considering Columbus never set foot in America how did he commit genocide against First Nations?

Read and learn...

8 Myths and Atrocities About Christopher Columbus and Columbus Day

He never set foot in America. I'm actually surprised that we don't all celebrate Leif Erikson Day.

I prefer Indigenous Peoples Day.

 

[tinydancer]

Considering Columbus never set foot in America how did he commit genocide against First Nations?

Read and learn...

8 Myths and Atrocities About Christopher Columbus and Columbus Day

He never set foot in America. I'm actually surprised that we don't all celebrate Leif Erikson Day.

I prefer Indigenous Peoples Day.

Leif as far as we know didn't have slaves and didn't kill and torture anyone. Both First Nations and Columbus did.

 

[NightFox]

No they're not since neither represents a deliberate and systemic attempt to destroy a racial, ethnic, political or cultural group , you should probably understand the meaning of a word before you attempt to use it in a sentence.

As an aside, it would behoove you to work on finding yourself a better source than Wikipedia.

Lol, so Spain had no intention of wiping out Natives, but did just that none the less.

If you had picked up a credible history book or ever taken a history class you'd know the Spanish Crown made its intentions clear with respect to the native populations of the new world, subjugation, economic exploitation and conversion to Catholicism and that's a bit difficult to do if you deliberately and systematically turn them into corpses.

Wow, you're definitely not very bright.

ROFLMAO! At least I know the difference between genocide and conquest; perhaps you should be looking toward advancing your own erudition before you start bringing butter knives to gunfights.

"Here endth the lesson." -- Jim Malone, The Untouchables

..and if you knew anything about history, you would know that the Spanish crown convicted Columbus for crimes, not only against colonists, but also against natives, including the enslavement of those who had converted to Christianity, which is why he was banned from returning to the colony he founded, and why he later died in disgrace.

LOL and this helps the case for the Spanish Crown committing genocide how?

Actually, you are right. The Spanish did not wipe out the native populations completely.

That's not why the actions of the Spanish Crown and their agents in the New World don't qualify as genocide, genocide requires INTENT to SYSTEMATICALLY destroy a group of people based on race, ethnicity, political ideology or religious conviction, The Spanish Crown nor their agents never acted on any such intentions because their intentions for the native populations were subjugation, economic exploitation and conversion to Catholicism. The Crown and its agents were indeed guilty of atrocities (if viewed from the perspective of MODERN ethics and morality) but to accuse them of genocide is a gross misuse of the term that cheapens its meaning and is akin to conflating rape with murder.

by correctly saying that nobody even remembers the American genocide of the Indians, or the Armenian genocide of WW1.

"Nobody even remembers" because they're fictitious, of course that fact doesn't stop the ignorant from slinging around the term genocide to describe everything from conquest and pacification to abortion on demand.

"As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1" -- Godwins Law

 

[Lakhota]

Considering Columbus never set foot in America how did he commit genocide against First Nations?

Read and learn...

8 Myths and Atrocities About Christopher Columbus and Columbus Day

He never set foot in America. I'm actually surprised that we don't all celebrate Leif Erikson Day.

I prefer Indigenous Peoples Day.

Leif as far as we know didn't have slaves and didn't kill and torture anyone. Both First Nations and Columbus did.

Tough shit. Columbus was the invader.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Haha, good joke.
Yeah Cortes, and Pizaro of Spain committed no atrocities in the New World

Who said that? I didn't even mention Hernan Cortes or Francisco Pizarro and in neither of their cases did the Spanish Crown ever display any intentions toward the commission of genocide.

Apparently You, like the OP, are just eager to put your ignorance and childishness on display by devolving into presentism, of course you went so far as to one up the OP by simultaneously showing off your straw man building skills while doing it, so I suppose you deserve a rubber cookie or some such trinket for your extra efforts.

These are not genocide?

Massacre in the Great Temple - Wikipedia

Battle of Cajamarca - Wikipedia

No they're not since neither represents a deliberate and systemic attempt to destroy a racial, ethnic, political or cultural group , you should probably understand the meaning of a word before you attempt to use it in a sentence.

As an aside, it would behoove you to work on finding yourself a better source than Wikipedia.

Lol, so Spain had no intention of wiping out Natives, but did just that none the less.

If you had picked up a credible history book or ever taken a history class you'd know the Spanish Crown made its intentions clear with respect to the native populations of the new world, subjugation, economic exploitation and conversion to Catholicism and that's a bit difficult to do if you deliberately and systematically turn them into corpses.

Wow, you're definitely not very bright.

ROFLMAO! At least I know the difference between genocide and conquest; perhaps you should be looking toward advancing your own erudition before you start bringing butter knives to gunfights.

"Here endth the lesson." -- Jim Malone, The Untouchables

You're way off, you're actually proving they targeted them for what they were in supporting Catholicism upon them.

Furthermore, absolutely destroying their society, and killing them it's all genocide.

They didn't want Natives to exist as they had.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Lol, so Spain had no intention of wiping out Natives, but did just that none the less.

If you had picked up a credible history book or ever taken a history class you'd know the Spanish Crown made its intentions clear with respect to the native populations of the new world, subjugation, economic exploitation and conversion to Catholicism and that's a bit difficult to do if you deliberately and systematically turn them into corpses.

Wow, you're definitely not very bright.

ROFLMAO! At least I know the difference between genocide and conquest; perhaps you should be looking toward advancing your own erudition before you start bringing butter knives to gunfights.

"Here endth the lesson." -- Jim Malone, The Untouchables

..and if you knew anything about history, you would know that the Spanish crown convicted Columbus for crimes, not only against colonists, but also against natives, including the enslavement of those who had converted to Christianity, which is why he was banned from returning to the colony he founded, and why he later died in disgrace.

LOL and this helps the case for the Spanish Crown committing genocide how?

Actually, you are right. The Spanish did not wipe out the native populations completely.

That's not why the actions of the Spanish Crown and their agents in the New World don't qualify as genocide, genocide requires INTENT to SYSTEMATICALLY destroy a group of people based on race, ethnicity, political ideology or religious conviction, The Spanish Crown nor their agents never acted on any such intentions because their intentions for the native populations were subjugation, economic exploitation and conversion to Catholicism. The Crown and its agents were indeed guilty of atrocities (if viewed from the perspective of MODERN ethics and morality) but to accuse them of genocide is a gross misuse of the term that cheapens its meaning and is akin to conflating rape with murder.

by correctly saying that nobody even remembers the American genocide of the Indians, or the Armenian genocide of WW1.

"Nobody even remembers" because they're fictitious, of course that fact doesn't stop the ignorant from slinging around the term genocide to describe everything from conquest and pacification to abortion on demand.

"As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1" -- Godwins Law

You say they converted them to Catholicism, but then say genocide includes intent to kill those based on religion.

Well, the fact that they forced Catholicism upon them supports just that.

Besides, It doesn't really matter if people are wiped out due to greed, or religion, or ethnicity.

It's still wrong none the less.

 

[rightwinger]

Columbus represents explorers. They expanded the known world and opened up European dominance of the globe

That is what he is honored for

 

[martybegan]

He’s credited with discovering America, which isn’t true. But what he did do was commit genocide against entire native populations. Here’s why we really shouldn’t be celebrating Christopher Columbus.

VIDEO: Christopher Columbus' So-Called American 'Discovery' Leaves Little To Celebrate

Native American Genocide

Another sad day for Native Americans.

Exploitation, not genocide. Stop using that word.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

No they're not since neither represents a deliberate and systemic attempt to destroy a racial, ethnic, political or cultural group , you should probably understand the meaning of a word before you attempt to use it in a sentence.

As an aside, it would behoove you to work on finding yourself a better source than Wikipedia.

Lol, so Spain had no intention of wiping out Natives, but did just that none the less.

If you had picked up a credible history book or ever taken a history class you'd know the Spanish Crown made its intentions clear with respect to the native populations of the new world, subjugation, economic exploitation and conversion to Catholicism and that's a bit difficult to do if you deliberately and systematically turn them into corpses.

Wow, you're definitely not very bright.

ROFLMAO! At least I know the difference between genocide and conquest; perhaps you should be looking toward advancing your own erudition before you start bringing butter knives to gunfights.

"Here endth the lesson." -- Jim Malone, The Untouchables

..and if you knew anything about history, you would know that the Spanish crown convicted Columbus for crimes, not only against colonists, but also against natives, including the enslavement of those who had converted to Christianity, which is why he was banned from returning to the colony he founded, and why he later died in disgrace.

LOL and this helps the case for the Spanish Crown committing genocide how?

Actually, you are right. The Spanish did not wipe out the native populations completely. They joined with the natives, and created Latinos, which is a race that did not exist before. The British and the Americans, on the other hand, did not. They simply slaughtered the native Americans. AS a matter of fact, Hitler cited two precedents to his "Final Solution", by correctly saying that nobody even remembers the American genocide of the Indians, or the Armenian genocide of WW1.

There were much more Native Americans South of the Mexican border, than North of the Mexican border.

Some estimates put the figure to as high as 20 million in the Aztec empire, and as low as 1 million North of Mexico.

 

[martybegan]

Columbus Day is another great American holiday that the dumb Troglocrats can’t enjoy

It's a holiday based on lies and genocide.

Native American Genocide

Considering the Natives had no set concept of border control beyond "if you cross my border and I don't like it I'm going to stab you with a spear" or any laws on the books regarding such concepts as immigration, Columbus could not be an illegal anything.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Columbus represents explorers. They expanded the known world and opened up European dominance of the globe

That is what he is honored for

So, you support European dominance?
That's interesting, considering your routine Liberal comments.

 

[rightwinger]

He’s credited with discovering America, which isn’t true. But what he did do was commit genocide against entire native populations. Here’s why we really shouldn’t be celebrating Christopher Columbus.

VIDEO: Christopher Columbus' So-Called American 'Discovery' Leaves Little To Celebrate

Native American Genocide

Another sad day for Native Americans.

Exploitation, not genocide. Stop using that word.

It was global exploitation by the European powers

If anyone thinks what Columbus did was bad.....look what Europeans did to Africa

 

[rightwinger]

Columbus represents explorers. They expanded the known world and opened up European dominance of the globe

That is what he is honored for

So, you support European dominance?
That's interesting, considering your routine Liberal comments.

I don't support it but acknowledge it
Columbus opened the age of discovery. A lot of money to be made there. Changed the world for the good or bad depending on your point of view

 

[martybegan]

He’s credited with discovering America, which isn’t true. But what he did do was commit genocide against entire native populations. Here’s why we really shouldn’t be celebrating Christopher Columbus.

VIDEO: Christopher Columbus' So-Called American 'Discovery' Leaves Little To Celebrate

Native American Genocide

Another sad day for Native Americans.

Exploitation, not genocide. Stop using that word.

It was global exploitation by the European powers

If anyone thinks what Columbus did was bad.....look what Europeans did to Africa

Southern Africa, in North Africa it was payback for Vienna.

People forget how close Europe was to being conquered by the various incantations of the Caliphate/Sultanate during the middle ages.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

He’s credited with discovering America, which isn’t true. But what he did do was commit genocide against entire native populations. Here’s why we really shouldn’t be celebrating Christopher Columbus.

VIDEO: Christopher Columbus' So-Called American 'Discovery' Leaves Little To Celebrate

Native American Genocide

Another sad day for Native Americans.

Exploitation, not genocide. Stop using that word.

It was global exploitation by the European powers

If anyone thinks what Columbus did was bad.....look what Europeans did to Africa

What Western Europeans did*************

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Columbus represents explorers. They expanded the known world and opened up European dominance of the globe

That is what he is honored for

So, you support European dominance?
That's interesting, considering your routine Liberal comments.

I don't support it but acknowledge it
Columbus opened the age of discovery. A lot of money to be made there. Changed the world for the good or bad depending on your point of view

Judging by where anti-Racism spread the most to genocidal lands like Germany, or Britain, or France.

I think you anti-Racists love the power of looting, and shooting.