CNN Anchor: ‘Our Rights Do Not Come From God’

[sealybobo]

As somewhat intelligent animals we came up with human rights. ...

We observed that humanity was endowed with life from the creator of the universe and reasoned that because we were given this life that the creator of the universe intended that we should pursue the fulfillment of such and that as a result of that gift, that such represents that the supreme authority of the universe authorizes us to do just that... and given that all human beings are created by the same source, that no human being is favored above another, thus the right to fulfill our life is indistinguishable from our being, and that no human power stands above our divine authorization.

A truth which is vastly distinct from 'coming up with human rights'.

With your inability to recognize that, notwithstanding.

You can't even prove god exists. God isn't even a theory. Its a hypothesis. My rights don't come from an imaginary god.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Without that acceptance, you're just another schmuck with an opinion.

no dear he is using the wisdom in basic human intellectual tradition while you want to reinvent the wheel like Hitler Stalin and Mao did becuase you lack the IQ to understand history.

 

[sealybobo]

We AGREE to rely on the founding document.

no we don't!! to hold office we take an oath to protect and defend the genius of Aristotle Cicero and Jesus precisely because we don't want to be killed by liberals like you HItler Stalin and Mao.

Notice how exactly like HItler Stalin and Mao you are a total illiterate who wants to jump up and down saying I may be an illiterate dope but I know my rights and I'm qualified to assert them just like our Founders!! Why not get an education if you can learn at all or stay out of the discussion for the good of humanity?

Keep in mind all those leaders used religion to control their very stupid and religious citizens.

Hitler may not have believed in god but the German people were catholic sheep.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

As somewhat intelligent animals we came up with human rights. ...

We observed that humanity was endowed with life from the creator of the universe and reasoned that because we were given this life that the creator of the universe intended that we should pursue the fulfillment of such and that as a result of that gift, that such represents that the supreme authority of the universe authorizes us to do just that... and given that all human beings are created by the same source, that no human being is favored above another, thus the right to fulfill our life is indistinguishable from our being, and that no human power stands above our divine authorization.

A truth which is vastly distinct from 'coming up with human rights'.

With your inability to recognize that, notwithstanding.

You can't even prove god exists. God isn't even a theory. Its a hypothesis. My rights don't come from an imaginary god.

Of course I can prove God exists.

And it's easier than you might feel.

God is the Creator of the Universe... thus if the universe exists, God exists.

If you're reading this, then as part and parcel of the creation, the creation exists and as noted above, where the creation exists, we can rest assured that the Creator exists.

See how easy that is... .

 

[Skylar]

We AGREE to rely on the founding document.

no we don't!!

Yes we do. If we didn't want to follow the constitution and instead follow something else, we have every right to do so. We AGREE to follow the constitution. Or more accurately, our conception of the constitution. We have all sorts of rights that the founders would never have agreed with.

Women's sufferage. An abolishment of timocracy. Interracial marriage. A right to sodomy or pretty much any consensual sexual act. The list goes on and on.

And how, pray tell, did we acquire these lovely new rights? We agreed they exist. And POOF, they do! And will exist as long as we protect them.

As all rights are nothing more or less than our invention.

to hold office we take an oath to protect and defend the genius of Aristotle Cicero and Jesus precisely because we don't want to be killed by liberals like you HItler Stalin and Mao.

You pick and choose what you want from your sources. If Aristotle doesn't do what you want, you wipe your ass with his 'geninus', and put your own judgment ahead of his.

"Natural slavery'?

Toilet paper.

'Natural kingship'?

A used tampon.

"Natural Aristocracy"?

Another dirty diaper.

Aristotle isn't your standard of rights. You are. And that's perfectly cool. But don't bother bullshitting yourself or us that its actually 'Aristotle' when you ignore anything that guys said that you disagree with. Your authority is you.

 

[Contumacious]

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We decide. Not Jefferson. Not Aristotle. We do. We define our rights. We protect our rights.

Really ?

How do "we" define rights?

How do "we" protect rights?


/

 

[Skylar]

As somewhat intelligent animals we came up with human rights. ...

We observed that humanity was endowed with life from the creator of the universe and reasoned that because we were given this life that the creator of the universe intended that we should pursue the fulfillment of such and that as a result of that gift, that such represents that the supreme authority of the universe authorizes us to do just that... and given that all human beings are created by the same source, that no human being is favored above another, thus the right to fulfill our life is indistinguishable from our being, and that no human power stands above our divine authorization.

A truth which is vastly distinct from 'coming up with human rights'.

With your inability to recognize that, notwithstanding.

You can't even prove god exists. God isn't even a theory. Its a hypothesis. My rights don't come from an imaginary god.

Of course I can prove God exists.

And it's easier than you might feel.

God is the Creator of the Universe... thus if the universe exists, God exists.

That's a circular argument. With your evidence and your conclusion being the same thing. And logical fallacies don't 'prove' anything...... beyond your argument's lack of reason and evidence.

Worse, even by your 'first mover' standards, your argument implodes. As a 'first mover' need not be the source of rights, or all powerful, or good, or even sentient. It simply needs to move first. All the other attributes you imagine.

So even by your standards, your argument is meaningless garbage. Which is convenient.....as its garbage by our standards too.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

We AGREE to rely on the founding document.

no we don't!! to hold office we take an oath to protect and defend the genius of Aristotle Cicero and Jesus precisely because we don't want to be killed by liberals like you HItler Stalin and Mao.

Notice how exactly like HItler Stalin and Mao you are a total illiterate who wants to jump up and down saying I may be an illiterate dope but I know my rights and I'm qualified to assert them just like our Founders!! Why not get an education if you can learn at all or stay out of the discussion for the good of humanity?

Keep in mind all those leaders used religion to control their very stupid and religious citizens.

Hitler may not have believed in god but the German people were catholic sheep.

ROFLMNAO!

Humanists ALL... Setting aside Histler, Stalin and Mao murdered 125 MILLION >INNOCENT< HUMAN BEINGS.

They were both ANTI-THEISTS... Humanists, if ya will, and they proved in less than 30 years, IN PEACE TIME, as the most prolific mass-murderers in human history, that the Humanism common to the Ideological Left IS THE MOST LETHAL ORGANISM ON EARTH, second only to DISEASE.

 

[Skylar]

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We decide. Not Jefferson. Not Aristotle. We do. We define our rights. We protect our rights.

Really ?

How do "we" define rights?

How do "we" protect rights?


/

Dude, if you want to have the anarchy conversation again, I'm game. But it didn't work out well for you the last time.

 

[Skylar]

We AGREE to rely on the founding document.

no we don't!! to hold office we take an oath to protect and defend the genius of Aristotle Cicero and Jesus precisely because we don't want to be killed by liberals like you HItler Stalin and Mao.

Notice how exactly like HItler Stalin and Mao you are a total illiterate who wants to jump up and down saying I may be an illiterate dope but I know my rights and I'm qualified to assert them just like our Founders!! Why not get an education if you can learn at all or stay out of the discussion for the good of humanity?

Keep in mind all those leaders used religion to control their very stupid and religious citizens.

Hitler may not have believed in god but the German people were catholic sheep.

ROFLMNAO!

Humanists ALL... Setting aside Histler, Stalin and Mao murdered 125 MILLION >INNOCENT< HUMAN BEINGS.

They were both ANTI-THEISTS... Humanists, if ya will, and they proved in less than 30 years, IN PEACE TIME, as the most prolific mass-murderers in human history, that the Humanism common to the Ideological Left IS THE MOST LETHAL ORGANISM ON EARTH, second only to DISEASE.

Stalin was a 'humanist'? Hitler was a 'humanist'? Mao was a 'humanist'?

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Humanist:

1: a person having a strong interest in or concern for human welfare, values, and dignity.

Humanist Define Humanist at Dictionary.com

If that's how you see Hitler and Stalin, holy shit dude.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

As somewhat intelligent animals we came up with human rights. ...

We observed that humanity was endowed with life from the creator of the universe and reasoned that because we were given this life that the creator of the universe intended that we should pursue the fulfillment of such and that as a result of that gift, that such represents that the supreme authority of the universe authorizes us to do just that... and given that all human beings are created by the same source, that no human being is favored above another, thus the right to fulfill our life is indistinguishable from our being, and that no human power stands above our divine authorization.

A truth which is vastly distinct from 'coming up with human rights'.

With your inability to recognize that, notwithstanding.

You can't even prove god exists. God isn't even a theory. Its a hypothesis. My rights don't come from an imaginary god.

Of course I can prove God exists.

And it's easier than you might feel.

God is the Creator of the Universe... thus if the universe exists, God exists.

That's a circular argument.

No, it's not.

Something created the Universe, we refer to that something as "The Creator", OKA: God.

Therefore: God is the Creator of the Universe. Ergo, where the Universe exists, that which created it exists, thus God exists.

It is a linear argument...

But if I ever meet a Leftist that actually UNDERSTANDS WHAT A CiRCULAR ARGUMENT IS, I think I shall throw a little party.

 

[Contumacious]

[

We decide. Not Jefferson. Not Aristotle. We do. We define our rights. We protect our rights.

Really ?

How do "we" define rights?

How do "we" protect rights?


/

Dude, if you want to have the anarchy conversation again, I'm game. But it didn't work out well for you the last time.

Throwing in the towel...I fully understand..

Can't take the heat .........


Go back to night school , learn, then , and only then, come back.


.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Stalin was a 'humanist'? Hitler was a 'humanist'? Mao was a 'humanist'?

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Humanist:

1: a person having a strong interest in or concern for human welfare, values, and dignity.

Humanist Define Humanist at Dictionary.com

If that's how you see Hitler and Stalin, holy shit dude.

LOL! Deceit, FRAUD and Ignorance... The fundamental elements of Left-think.

Humanism: an outlook or system of thought (feelings) attaching prime importance to human rather than divine or supernatural matters. Humanist beliefs stress the potential value and goodness of human beings, emphasize common human needs, and seek solely rational ways of solving human problems.• (often Humanism)a Renaissance cultural movement that turned away from medieval scholasticism and revived interest in ancient Greek and Roman thought.• (among some contemporary writers) a system of thought criticized as being centered on the notion of the rational, autonomous self and ignoring the unintegrated and conditioned nature of the individual.

Liberalism, Progressivism/Fascism, Socialism and Communism ARE: Humanism.

 

[Skylar]

Stalin was a 'humanist'? Hitler was a 'humanist'? Mao was a 'humanist'?

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Humanist:

1: a person having a strong interest in or concern for human welfare, values, and dignity.

Humanist Define Humanist at Dictionary.com

If that's how you see Hitler and Stalin, holy shit dude.

LOL! Deceit, FRAUD and Ignorance... The fundamental elements of Left-think.

Humanism: an outlook or system of thought (feelings) attaching prime importance to human rather than divine or supernatural matters. Humanist beliefs stress the potential value and goodness of human beings, emphasize common human needs, and seek solely rational ways of solving human problems.• (often Humanism)a Renaissance cultural movement that turned away from medieval scholasticism and revived interest in ancient Greek and Roman thought.• (among some contemporary writers) a system of thought criticized as being centered on the notion of the rational, autonomous self and ignoring the unintegrated and conditioned nature of the individual.

Liberalism, Progressivism/Fascism, Socialism and Communism ARE: Humanism.

Wait....are you saying that the dictionary can't define the meaning of words? Because I think our friend Keyes might have something to say on that.

And you believe that Stalin, Mao and Hitler 'emphasized common human needs'?

 

[Skylar]

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We decide. Not Jefferson. Not Aristotle. We do. We define our rights. We protect our rights.

Really ?

How do "we" define rights?

How do "we" protect rights?


/

Dude, if you want to have the anarchy conversation again, I'm game. But it didn't work out well for you the last time.

Throwing in the towel...I fully understand..

Can't take the heat .........


Go back to night school , learn, then , and only then, come back.


.

We've simply had this conversation before so many times. Its the same conversation: you believe in anarchy. I don't.

Let me show you how I saw the converstation going......

You: "How do we define rights, how do we protect rights."

Me: "Though our common agreement on a constitution. And through laws and our judiciary"

You: "See, you're a fascist who believes everything comes from government. Nazi! Communist! Vegetarian!"

Did I leave anything out?

We get it. You believe in anarchy. I don't. Other than you, I don't know anyone who does. It doesn't work, and we've discussed why it doesn't work. If you want to discuss it again, I'm down.

But it didn't work out so well for you last time. As your arguments are pristinely ivory tower. And simply don't translate into the real world. Nor do they produce the freedom you naively imagine they would.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Stalin was a 'humanist'? Hitler was a 'humanist'? Mao was a 'humanist'?

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Humanist:

1: a person having a strong interest in or concern for human welfare, values, and dignity.

Humanist Define Humanist at Dictionary.com

If that's how you see Hitler and Stalin, holy shit dude.

LOL! Deceit, FRAUD and Ignorance... The fundamental elements of Left-think.

Humanism: an outlook or system of thought (feelings) attaching prime importance to human rather than divine or supernatural matters. Humanist beliefs stress the potential value and goodness of human beings, emphasize common human needs, and seek solely rational ways of solving human problems.• (often Humanism)a Renaissance cultural movement that turned away from medieval scholasticism and revived interest in ancient Greek and Roman thought.• (among some contemporary writers) a system of thought criticized as being centered on the notion of the rational, autonomous self and ignoring the unintegrated and conditioned nature of the individual.

Liberalism, Progressivism/Fascism, Socialism and Communism ARE: Humanism.

Wait....are you saying that the dictionary can't define the meaning of words? Because I think our friend Keyes might have something to say on that.

And you believe that Stalin, Mao and Hitler 'emphasized common human needs'?

Your concession is duly noted and summarily accepted.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

We've simply had this conversation before so many times. Its the same conversation: you believe in anarchy....

Straw reasoning... and ANOTHER CONCESSION!

Which is duly noted and summarily accepted.

 

[sealybobo]

As somewhat intelligent animals we came up with human rights. ...

We observed that humanity was endowed with life from the creator of the universe and reasoned that because we were given this life that the creator of the universe intended that we should pursue the fulfillment of such and that as a result of that gift, that such represents that the supreme authority of the universe authorizes us to do just that... and given that all human beings are created by the same source, that no human being is favored above another, thus the right to fulfill our life is indistinguishable from our being, and that no human power stands above our divine authorization.

A truth which is vastly distinct from 'coming up with human rights'.

With your inability to recognize that, notwithstanding.

You can't even prove god exists. God isn't even a theory. Its a hypothesis. My rights don't come from an imaginary god.

Of course I can prove God exists.

And it's easier than you might feel.

God is the Creator of the Universe... thus if the universe exists, God exists.

If you're reading this, then as part and parcel of the creation, the creation exists and as noted above, where the creation exists, we can rest assured that the Creator exists.

See how easy that is... .

Call a press conference. I can see the headlines tomorrow. Theist finally convinces every atheist that god exists! Lol

 

[Skylar]

As somewhat intelligent animals we came up with human rights. ...

We observed that humanity was endowed with life from the creator of the universe and reasoned that because we were given this life that the creator of the universe intended that we should pursue the fulfillment of such and that as a result of that gift, that such represents that the supreme authority of the universe authorizes us to do just that... and given that all human beings are created by the same source, that no human being is favored above another, thus the right to fulfill our life is indistinguishable from our being, and that no human power stands above our divine authorization.

A truth which is vastly distinct from 'coming up with human rights'.

With your inability to recognize that, notwithstanding.

You can't even prove god exists. God isn't even a theory. Its a hypothesis. My rights don't come from an imaginary god.

Of course I can prove God exists.

And it's easier than you might feel.

God is the Creator of the Universe... thus if the universe exists, God exists.

That's a circular argument.

No, it's not.

Of course it is. You assume God exists because we there is a universe. And you assume there is a universe because there is a God.

Its an argument with no corners. And the Circular Argument fallacy doesn't 'prove' anything. Well, other than your argument is logically and factually void. You're chasing your own tail, rhetorically.

And notice how you wouldn't touch the fact that your conception of god isn't even suggested by a 'first mover' argument. You wont address the topic or even dare quote me addressing the topic.

Because we both know by your own standards, your conception of god isn't proven or even insinuated by any 'first mover' argument. And you know it. You show us where you know your argument is garbage by what you won't discuss.

Meaning that we both recognize your claims are crap.

 

[ogibillm]

where has god or nature or whatever spelled out these rights? how are they divined to the masses?

where can i find a comprehensive list of natural rights?