Colin Kaepernick 49er QB refuses to stand for the National Anthem

[Weatherman2020]

You're not making the point you think you are. As ethnic minorities gather into enclaves, they become factories for crime, poverty, and despair. Black cities and neighborhoods are no different than Muslim balkans in France and Germany. The original idea of the "Melting Pot" is to have immigrants assimilate fully into American life and experience the same success.

My father moved his family off the reservation when I was a little boy. He didn't want us kids to grow up seeing what he saw everyday and despair, giving into an impoverished, hopeless culture. My life is very different, having grown up in white schools and white neighborhoods. I've never done drugs, never been arrested, I married a white woman and if I say so myself, my life is fucking AWESOME!

About twice a year, we go up to Montana to visit family at the rez, but I see nothing there to indicate my father made a mistake.

Two cultures, one inferior, one superior. I embraced the latter and that has made all the difference.

Do you get any resentment from the family in Montana?

I concur with mixing in. I have this idea that if you don't mix in with the country you've immigrated to, you'll eventually turn into the place you left. So why leave in the first place?

I'm Native American, in case that didn't come across. Everyone else is an immigrant.

Yeah, my Cherokee wife says go Redskins.

 

[Dr Grump]

No wonder you're not proud of your country. WTF has New Zealand ever done except be a dingleberry hanging off Australia's ass?

Of course you all have a funny accent. I guess you can be proud of that.

I'm proud of being a NZer. I just don't jump up and down about it. I think it should become a state of Australia to be honest. Most NZers wouldn't have it though.

 

[frigidweirdo]

And so you decide that it's the black people that causes all the problems, and not the political thinking. Why is that?

The superiority of white culture is made evident by the high success of countries where they are most concentrated. Everything you admire about Scandinavia is because of their ethnic constitution, including their novel ideas of government.

Go to African nation's populated by black people, you get poverty, shanty towns, starvation, rogue militias, anarchy, massacres, and hopelessness.

The contrast couldn't be any clearer.

Or, perhaps this is because of WHERE they live.

If you look at all the big empires we've known, many of them became successful because of the situation they found around them. The Egyptians for example. Why was Egypt very successful thousands of years ago, but now an absolute mess?

Could it be that the Nile was more fertile? Could it be that you needed less of a population to succeed and the Nile could cope with a certain amount of people, but in more modern times it can't cope well?

The Romans. I mean the Italians haven't been known as great warriors for a long time now. Why was Rome so successful 2000 years ago and not now?

Through time the latitude of successful empires has risen from Egypt, to Greece and Rome, the Spanish and Portuguese to then be Germany, England, France, Russia, the USA.

Or maybe as we've developed technology, the colder climates are more successful.

1/7th of the US population lives between DC and Boston. The area is far more successful than the Deep South. Why is that?

Could be all about resources. Coal become a product for industrialization. Who had coal?

Success based on coal? Seems northern Europe has a lot more. Then again Sweden and others don't have much but were successful. So it's not just coal, but coal played an important part.

Basically this topic is extremely complex. Your idea is to make it simple and blame someone else so you don't need to think. You're basically going to be wrong if you do that.

Why is that? Silly! Because DC gets rich off our tax dollars. Everyone in DC works for the government.

I'm not sure that your post is even worth replying to. I'm sure you have a brain to actually reply to the points I wrote rather than going off on a tangent.

And I said what? That you deem a tangent?

I'm sure you can figure it out seeing as you managed to fit it all onto one line.

 

[Dr Grump]

You're not making the point you think you are. As ethnic minorities gather into enclaves, they become factories for crime, poverty, and despair. Black cities and neighborhoods are no different than Muslim balkans in France and Germany. The original idea of the "Melting Pot" is to have immigrants assimilate fully into American life and experience the same success.

My father moved his family off the reservation when I was a little boy. He didn't want us kids to grow up seeing what he saw everyday and despair, giving into an impoverished, hopeless culture. My life is very different, having grown up in white schools and white neighborhoods. I've never done drugs, never been arrested, I married a white woman and if I say so myself, my life is fucking AWESOME!

About twice a year, we go up to Montana to visit family at the rez, but I see nothing there to indicate my father made a mistake.

Two cultures, one inferior, one superior. I embraced the latter and that has made all the difference.

Do you get any resentment from the family in Montana?

I concur with mixing in. I have this idea that if you don't mix in with the country you've immigrated to, you'll eventually turn into the place you left. So why leave in the first place?

I'm Native American, in case that didn't come across. Everyone else is an immigrant.

I gathered that. My second paragraph was addressing and agreeing with the first paragraph in your post.

 

[frigidweirdo]

There are people like that. There are people not like that. There are white people, Hispanic people, black people, males, females, old, young who are like that, and also not like that.

We get to see the location (town) and customer first names on these calls. They're almost always from highly minority communities, with names like Dequan, Shanequa, and DeAndre. Very few John Smiths from suburban or rural areas.

How the hell do you rack up $7-12,000 in a gas or electric bill? That's not a 2 month issue.

So, black people have been given a raw deal, and they're often in poverty (25% compared to 7% for white people) and then you take this as a sign that they're the problem, rather than they've been struggling against white dominance for 300 and more years?

You're not helping them with lame excuses. The Irish got a raw deal too and they managed to pull out of it just fine. By enabling them with these excuses, you are telling them they are incapable of making responsible decisions and taking command of their destiny. That's the difference between Democrats and Republicans and quite frankly, blacks would be served best by no longer listening to Democrats.

The Irish got a raw deal, and the Irish were white. The Irish didn't suffer slavery and segregation. The Irish didn't have people not selling them houses because of the color of their skin. Yes, they got a raw deal, but nowhere near as raw a deal as black people.

You think these are lame excuses? You think just pointing and giving simple answers for complex problems isn't lame?

You're talking about lame excuses. I'd say the lame excuse is from those who say "oh, we can't do anything to help them, we should just keep on going as we've been going even though it doesn't actually work".

Let's try this. Let's get right away from race and get into the American "can't do" psyche.

I'm going to show you Jamie Oliver. You might have seen his TV program. He's a good guy, thinks he can save the world. In the UK (where he's from) he has set up programs, the government gets behind him and tries to make a difference. He went to the US and thought he could do the same thing.



This is an overview of the program.

However it turned out to be like this. The schools said they wouldn't take on his healthy food program until he could prove that it was workable. He couldn't prove it was workable because they wouldn't take on his healthy food program. A nice Catch-22 situation for them to simply do nothing.

There was a threat on here about Michelle Obama want kids to only have one ketchup sachet per school meal. The right wing went MENTAL. Absolutely crazy over this. Some said schools shouldn't provide food. Some said schools shouldn't tell kids how to eat.

Learning about healthy food is ESSENTIAL in a country like the US where obesity is a massive problem. But all people care about is making sure NOTHING WORKS.

This is the US mentality. And this mentality exists within the issue of food, education, and even with race. You can see people like you giving the same logic as Jamie Oliver encountered.

America has an attitude problem and it's killing the US.

Sorry, you wandered off on a food tangent and lost whatever point you were trying to make.

By the way, you should know that kids themselves rejected the horrible crap Michelle tried to make them eat. They began bringing their own lunches and bartering. They have their whole lives to eat cardboard, it shouldn't be forced down their throats by sadistic Leftist control freaks. As Pink Floyd would say, "Hey, Teacher, leave those kids alone!"

I was making a point about the attitude of America. This is very relevant to my argument.

And then you go and back up point by showing the very attitude I said was causing a problem in the US.

When you have a problem, you look for people to blame, and make sure nothing changes.

 

[Weatherman2020]

We get to see the location (town) and customer first names on these calls. They're almost always from highly minority communities, with names like Dequan, Shanequa, and DeAndre. Very few John Smiths from suburban or rural areas.

How the hell do you rack up $7-12,000 in a gas or electric bill? That's not a 2 month issue.

So, black people have been given a raw deal, and they're often in poverty (25% compared to 7% for white people) and then you take this as a sign that they're the problem, rather than they've been struggling against white dominance for 300 and more years?

That's the first mistake, living three hundred years ago. How do you think people like Ben Carson managed? Not by living three hundred years ago. No one in America today ever owned a slave and no one living today was a slave. Blacks living in poverty is not the fault of the whites. Being a single mom of several illegitimate children will do it though. Make smarter choices!

And how do you make smart choices?

Good education helps a lot. Who's not getting good education?

Single mom multiple children households without the necessary family support.

I agree to a certain extent. However the problem is that 1/4 kids are born without a father at home.

Now the question is this, why are poor people more likely to have single parent families?

The Most Important Statistics About Single Parents
Single Mother Statistics — Single Mother Guide

"30.4% of custodial single mothers and their children lived in poverty"

"18.8% of custodial single fathers and their children lived in poverty"

'Today 1 in 4 children under the age of 18 — a total of about 17.4 million — are being raised without a father4 and nearly half (45%) live below the poverty line.5"

So, nearly half of kids in fatherless families are living in poverty.

What's the relationship between poverty and single parent families? Well it doesn't seem that hard to come up with a few possibilities. Say, poor people are likely to be less well educated. They're more likely to be frustrated with their job, if they have one. They're more likely to get into drugs. Poverty is where the problems get exacerbated massively. Many people have lost hope that their lives will be any good and they're more likely to commit crime.

Do single parents lead to poverty or does poverty lead to single parents, or both, or both are possible but sometimes it's one, sometimes the other and sometimes both?

Another question is this. If you're born into poverty what are your chances of success? I ask this not as an excuse (people are continually look for people looking for excuses and label anyone who say anything they don't like as looking for excuses), but for reality.

Some poor people make it. But only a percentage of them will make it, the rest won't. Now, this is the reality and not all of these poor people can possibly make it, the way the US is set up simply will not allow it. If more poor people rise out of poverty it means those not born in poverty will sink into it.

So doing nothing won't change things. Demanding that poorly educated young people get up off their ass and go do something about it doesn't work because they've grown up believing there is no hope, from the parents, their grandparents, for those around them, and they're looking for a way out but won't get help in education and other areas.

There's a problem. And the problem is made worse by people passing the buck and blaming black people for being in poverty, or for having problems with their families etc.

The questions are. How do you stop this cycle of single parents? How do you stop the cycle of poverty? How do you go about being proactive and making the US work again?

You stop the cycle by having community leaders set the bar high where it should be for behavior, and calling BS on the PC claptrap of everyone can do what they want if it feels good for you.

 

[Dr Grump]

That's what Patton wanted to do. World would have been much better.

That's the problem with socialist style governments. Here housing is kept reasonable by supply and demand, with developers adding more housing as prices rice, thus lowering it. You've got plenty of land to build on, but the government restricts it.

I think McArthur wanted to do it with Korea too...

LOL...both the NZ govt and Australian govt are Conservative at the moment. My dad is a builder. He's never had a problem getting permits. The biggest problem is cheap Chinese money. A lot of mainland Chinese buy investment properties in NZ and Australia using borrowed monies from China at less than 1 percent interest. NZers and Australians cant compete with those interest rates even though they are relatively low here.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

You're not making the point you think you are. As ethnic minorities gather into enclaves, they become factories for crime, poverty, and despair. Black cities and neighborhoods are no different than Muslim balkans in France and Germany. The original idea of the "Melting Pot" is to have immigrants assimilate fully into American life and experience the same success.

My father moved his family off the reservation when I was a little boy. He didn't want us kids to grow up seeing what he saw everyday and despair, giving into an impoverished, hopeless culture. My life is very different, having grown up in white schools and white neighborhoods. I've never done drugs, never been arrested, I married a white woman and if I say so myself, my life is fucking AWESOME!

About twice a year, we go up to Montana to visit family at the rez, but I see nothing there to indicate my father made a mistake.

Two cultures, one inferior, one superior. I embraced the latter and that has made all the difference.

Do you get any resentment from the family in Montana?

I concur with mixing in. I have this idea that if you don't mix in with the country you've immigrated to, you'll eventually turn into the place you left. So why leave in the first place?

I'm Native American, in case that didn't come across. Everyone else is an immigrant.

Yeah, my Cherokee wife says go Redskins.

I can tell you as an insider that most Indians have no problem with the name. And I shit you not, the ones that do bitch about it are lined up to profit in some way from the "grievance".

 

[frigidweirdo]

So, black people have been given a raw deal, and they're often in poverty (25% compared to 7% for white people) and then you take this as a sign that they're the problem, rather than they've been struggling against white dominance for 300 and more years?

That's the first mistake, living three hundred years ago. How do you think people like Ben Carson managed? Not by living three hundred years ago. No one in America today ever owned a slave and no one living today was a slave. Blacks living in poverty is not the fault of the whites. Being a single mom of several illegitimate children will do it though. Make smarter choices!

And how do you make smart choices?

Good education helps a lot. Who's not getting good education?

Single mom multiple children households without the necessary family support.

I agree to a certain extent. However the problem is that 1/4 kids are born without a father at home.

Now the question is this, why are poor people more likely to have single parent families?

The Most Important Statistics About Single Parents
Single Mother Statistics — Single Mother Guide

"30.4% of custodial single mothers and their children lived in poverty"

"18.8% of custodial single fathers and their children lived in poverty"

'Today 1 in 4 children under the age of 18 — a total of about 17.4 million — are being raised without a father4 and nearly half (45%) live below the poverty line.5"

So, nearly half of kids in fatherless families are living in poverty.

What's the relationship between poverty and single parent families? Well it doesn't seem that hard to come up with a few possibilities. Say, poor people are likely to be less well educated. They're more likely to be frustrated with their job, if they have one. They're more likely to get into drugs. Poverty is where the problems get exacerbated massively. Many people have lost hope that their lives will be any good and they're more likely to commit crime.

Do single parents lead to poverty or does poverty lead to single parents, or both, or both are possible but sometimes it's one, sometimes the other and sometimes both?

Another question is this. If you're born into poverty what are your chances of success? I ask this not as an excuse (people are continually look for people looking for excuses and label anyone who say anything they don't like as looking for excuses), but for reality.

Some poor people make it. But only a percentage of them will make it, the rest won't. Now, this is the reality and not all of these poor people can possibly make it, the way the US is set up simply will not allow it. If more poor people rise out of poverty it means those not born in poverty will sink into it.

So doing nothing won't change things. Demanding that poorly educated young people get up off their ass and go do something about it doesn't work because they've grown up believing there is no hope, from the parents, their grandparents, for those around them, and they're looking for a way out but won't get help in education and other areas.

There's a problem. And the problem is made worse by people passing the buck and blaming black people for being in poverty, or for having problems with their families etc.

The questions are. How do you stop this cycle of single parents? How do you stop the cycle of poverty? How do you go about being proactive and making the US work again?

You stop the cycle by having community leaders set the bar high where it should be for behavior, and calling BS on the PC claptrap of everyone can do what they want if it feels good for you.

Ah, yes, the simple solutions that didn't work before and aren't working now and won't work in the future.

Like trying to fix a fridge by looking at the oven.

 

[Weatherman2020]

That's what Patton wanted to do. World would have been much better.

That's the problem with socialist style governments. Here housing is kept reasonable by supply and demand, with developers adding more housing as prices rice, thus lowering it. You've got plenty of land to build on, but the government restricts it.

I think McArthur wanted to do it with Korea too...

LOL...both the NZ govt and Australian govt are Conservative at the moment. My dad is a builder. He's never had a problem getting permits. The biggest problem is cheap Chinese money. A lot of mainland Chinese buy investment properties in NZ and Australia using borrowed monies from China at less than 1 percent interest. NZers and Australians cant compete with those interest rates even though they are relatively low here.

I noticed rich Chinese in NZ. Didn't know they were sucking up the property.

 

[Weatherman2020]

That's the first mistake, living three hundred years ago. How do you think people like Ben Carson managed? Not by living three hundred years ago. No one in America today ever owned a slave and no one living today was a slave. Blacks living in poverty is not the fault of the whites. Being a single mom of several illegitimate children will do it though. Make smarter choices!

And how do you make smart choices?

Good education helps a lot. Who's not getting good education?

Single mom multiple children households without the necessary family support.

I agree to a certain extent. However the problem is that 1/4 kids are born without a father at home.

Now the question is this, why are poor people more likely to have single parent families?

The Most Important Statistics About Single Parents
Single Mother Statistics — Single Mother Guide

"30.4% of custodial single mothers and their children lived in poverty"

"18.8% of custodial single fathers and their children lived in poverty"

'Today 1 in 4 children under the age of 18 — a total of about 17.4 million — are being raised without a father4 and nearly half (45%) live below the poverty line.5"

So, nearly half of kids in fatherless families are living in poverty.

What's the relationship between poverty and single parent families? Well it doesn't seem that hard to come up with a few possibilities. Say, poor people are likely to be less well educated. They're more likely to be frustrated with their job, if they have one. They're more likely to get into drugs. Poverty is where the problems get exacerbated massively. Many people have lost hope that their lives will be any good and they're more likely to commit crime.

Do single parents lead to poverty or does poverty lead to single parents, or both, or both are possible but sometimes it's one, sometimes the other and sometimes both?

Another question is this. If you're born into poverty what are your chances of success? I ask this not as an excuse (people are continually look for people looking for excuses and label anyone who say anything they don't like as looking for excuses), but for reality.

Some poor people make it. But only a percentage of them will make it, the rest won't. Now, this is the reality and not all of these poor people can possibly make it, the way the US is set up simply will not allow it. If more poor people rise out of poverty it means those not born in poverty will sink into it.

So doing nothing won't change things. Demanding that poorly educated young people get up off their ass and go do something about it doesn't work because they've grown up believing there is no hope, from the parents, their grandparents, for those around them, and they're looking for a way out but won't get help in education and other areas.

There's a problem. And the problem is made worse by people passing the buck and blaming black people for being in poverty, or for having problems with their families etc.

The questions are. How do you stop this cycle of single parents? How do you stop the cycle of poverty? How do you go about being proactive and making the US work again?

You stop the cycle by having community leaders set the bar high where it should be for behavior, and calling BS on the PC claptrap of everyone can do what they want if it feels good for you.

Ah, yes, the simple solutions that didn't work before and aren't working now and won't work in the future.

Like trying to fix a fridge by looking at the oven.

You don't see that scale of problem in other cultures, why? Standards and expectations.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

We get to see the location (town) and customer first names on these calls. They're almost always from highly minority communities, with names like Dequan, Shanequa, and DeAndre. Very few John Smiths from suburban or rural areas.

How the hell do you rack up $7-12,000 in a gas or electric bill? That's not a 2 month issue.

So, black people have been given a raw deal, and they're often in poverty (25% compared to 7% for white people) and then you take this as a sign that they're the problem, rather than they've been struggling against white dominance for 300 and more years?

You're not helping them with lame excuses. The Irish got a raw deal too and they managed to pull out of it just fine. By enabling them with these excuses, you are telling them they are incapable of making responsible decisions and taking command of their destiny. That's the difference between Democrats and Republicans and quite frankly, blacks would be served best by no longer listening to Democrats.

The Irish got a raw deal, and the Irish were white. The Irish didn't suffer slavery and segregation. The Irish didn't have people not selling them houses because of the color of their skin. Yes, they got a raw deal, but nowhere near as raw a deal as black people.

You think these are lame excuses? You think just pointing and giving simple answers for complex problems isn't lame?

You're talking about lame excuses. I'd say the lame excuse is from those who say "oh, we can't do anything to help them, we should just keep on going as we've been going even though it doesn't actually work".

Let's try this. Let's get right away from race and get into the American "can't do" psyche.

I'm going to show you Jamie Oliver. You might have seen his TV program. He's a good guy, thinks he can save the world. In the UK (where he's from) he has set up programs, the government gets behind him and tries to make a difference. He went to the US and thought he could do the same thing.



This is an overview of the program.

However it turned out to be like this. The schools said they wouldn't take on his healthy food program until he could prove that it was workable. He couldn't prove it was workable because they wouldn't take on his healthy food program. A nice Catch-22 situation for them to simply do nothing.

There was a threat on here about Michelle Obama want kids to only have one ketchup sachet per school meal. The right wing went MENTAL. Absolutely crazy over this. Some said schools shouldn't provide food. Some said schools shouldn't tell kids how to eat.

Learning about healthy food is ESSENTIAL in a country like the US where obesity is a massive problem. But all people care about is making sure NOTHING WORKS.

This is the US mentality. And this mentality exists within the issue of food, education, and even with race. You can see people like you giving the same logic as Jamie Oliver encountered.

America has an attitude problem and it's killing the US.

Sorry, you wandered off on a food tangent and lost whatever point you were trying to make.

By the way, you should know that kids themselves rejected the horrible crap Michelle tried to make them eat. They began bringing their own lunches and bartering. They have their whole lives to eat cardboard, it shouldn't be forced down their throats by sadistic Leftist control freaks. As Pink Floyd would say, "Hey, Teacher, leave those kids alone!"

I was making a point about the attitude of America. This is very relevant to my argument.

And then you go and back up point by showing the very attitude I said was causing a problem in the US.

When you have a problem, you look for people to blame, and make sure nothing changes.

I hold each individual responsible for their decisions, and don't let them blame Mississippi Burning for their failures. I absolutely stand by that.

 

[Dr Grump]

This guy used to be the leader of the Labour Party (our Dems). This is his solution..

Cut immigration to ease housing woes, says Auckland mayoral candidate Phil Goff - National - NZ Herald News

 

[Weatherman2020]

No wonder you're not proud of your country. WTF has New Zealand ever done except be a dingleberry hanging off Australia's ass?

Of course you all have a funny accent. I guess you can be proud of that.

I'm proud of being a NZer. I just don't jump up and down about it. I think it should become a state of Australia to be honest. Most NZers wouldn't have it though.

Mexico has a better chance at becoming our 51 state.

 

[frigidweirdo]

And how do you make smart choices?

Good education helps a lot. Who's not getting good education?

Single mom multiple children households without the necessary family support.

I agree to a certain extent. However the problem is that 1/4 kids are born without a father at home.

Now the question is this, why are poor people more likely to have single parent families?

The Most Important Statistics About Single Parents
Single Mother Statistics — Single Mother Guide

"30.4% of custodial single mothers and their children lived in poverty"

"18.8% of custodial single fathers and their children lived in poverty"

'Today 1 in 4 children under the age of 18 — a total of about 17.4 million — are being raised without a father4 and nearly half (45%) live below the poverty line.5"

So, nearly half of kids in fatherless families are living in poverty.

What's the relationship between poverty and single parent families? Well it doesn't seem that hard to come up with a few possibilities. Say, poor people are likely to be less well educated. They're more likely to be frustrated with their job, if they have one. They're more likely to get into drugs. Poverty is where the problems get exacerbated massively. Many people have lost hope that their lives will be any good and they're more likely to commit crime.

Do single parents lead to poverty or does poverty lead to single parents, or both, or both are possible but sometimes it's one, sometimes the other and sometimes both?

Another question is this. If you're born into poverty what are your chances of success? I ask this not as an excuse (people are continually look for people looking for excuses and label anyone who say anything they don't like as looking for excuses), but for reality.

Some poor people make it. But only a percentage of them will make it, the rest won't. Now, this is the reality and not all of these poor people can possibly make it, the way the US is set up simply will not allow it. If more poor people rise out of poverty it means those not born in poverty will sink into it.

So doing nothing won't change things. Demanding that poorly educated young people get up off their ass and go do something about it doesn't work because they've grown up believing there is no hope, from the parents, their grandparents, for those around them, and they're looking for a way out but won't get help in education and other areas.

There's a problem. And the problem is made worse by people passing the buck and blaming black people for being in poverty, or for having problems with their families etc.

The questions are. How do you stop this cycle of single parents? How do you stop the cycle of poverty? How do you go about being proactive and making the US work again?

You stop the cycle by having community leaders set the bar high where it should be for behavior, and calling BS on the PC claptrap of everyone can do what they want if it feels good for you.

Ah, yes, the simple solutions that didn't work before and aren't working now and won't work in the future.

Like trying to fix a fridge by looking at the oven.

You don't see that scale of problem in other cultures, why? Standards and expectations.

Because politicians and people actually try and solve the problems in society. Yes, standards and expectations. People expect their govt to work for them. In the US people don't.

 

[AmericanFirst1]

Sounds like someone wants to be traded from the 49ers.
Asshole.

Colin Kaepernick Protests Anthem Due to Treatment of Minorities

"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color,"

NFL QB Protests Anthem Due to Treatment of Minorities

I would bench him.

 

[Weatherman2020]

This guy used to be the leader of the Labour Party (our Dems). This is his solution..

Cut immigration to ease housing woes, says Auckland mayoral candidate Phil Goff - National - NZ Herald News

NZ does have tight immigration standards already. Interesting.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

No wonder you're not proud of your country. WTF has New Zealand ever done except be a dingleberry hanging off Australia's ass?

Of course you all have a funny accent. I guess you can be proud of that.

I'm proud of being a NZer. I just don't jump up and down about it. I think it should become a state of Australia to be honest. Most NZers wouldn't have it though.

Mexico has a better chance at becoming our 51 state.

Not Canada?

 

[Weatherman2020]

Single mom multiple children households without the necessary family support.

I agree to a certain extent. However the problem is that 1/4 kids are born without a father at home.

Now the question is this, why are poor people more likely to have single parent families?

The Most Important Statistics About Single Parents
Single Mother Statistics — Single Mother Guide

"30.4% of custodial single mothers and their children lived in poverty"

"18.8% of custodial single fathers and their children lived in poverty"

'Today 1 in 4 children under the age of 18 — a total of about 17.4 million — are being raised without a father4 and nearly half (45%) live below the poverty line.5"

So, nearly half of kids in fatherless families are living in poverty.

What's the relationship between poverty and single parent families? Well it doesn't seem that hard to come up with a few possibilities. Say, poor people are likely to be less well educated. They're more likely to be frustrated with their job, if they have one. They're more likely to get into drugs. Poverty is where the problems get exacerbated massively. Many people have lost hope that their lives will be any good and they're more likely to commit crime.

Do single parents lead to poverty or does poverty lead to single parents, or both, or both are possible but sometimes it's one, sometimes the other and sometimes both?

Another question is this. If you're born into poverty what are your chances of success? I ask this not as an excuse (people are continually look for people looking for excuses and label anyone who say anything they don't like as looking for excuses), but for reality.

Some poor people make it. But only a percentage of them will make it, the rest won't. Now, this is the reality and not all of these poor people can possibly make it, the way the US is set up simply will not allow it. If more poor people rise out of poverty it means those not born in poverty will sink into it.

So doing nothing won't change things. Demanding that poorly educated young people get up off their ass and go do something about it doesn't work because they've grown up believing there is no hope, from the parents, their grandparents, for those around them, and they're looking for a way out but won't get help in education and other areas.

There's a problem. And the problem is made worse by people passing the buck and blaming black people for being in poverty, or for having problems with their families etc.

The questions are. How do you stop this cycle of single parents? How do you stop the cycle of poverty? How do you go about being proactive and making the US work again?

You stop the cycle by having community leaders set the bar high where it should be for behavior, and calling BS on the PC claptrap of everyone can do what they want if it feels good for you.

Ah, yes, the simple solutions that didn't work before and aren't working now and won't work in the future.

Like trying to fix a fridge by looking at the oven.

You don't see that scale of problem in other cultures, why? Standards and expectations.

Because politicians and people actually try and solve the problems in society. Yes, standards and expectations. People expect their govt to work for them. In the US people don't.

How are politicians and people doing at solving the problem?
Yeah, blacks making $20M a year sit down during the anthem and politicians mock law enforcement.

Obvious why things are spinning out of control.

 

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So, black people have been given a raw deal, and they're often in poverty (25% compared to 7% for white people) and then you take this as a sign that they're the problem, rather than they've been struggling against white dominance for 300 and more years?

You're not helping them with lame excuses. The Irish got a raw deal too and they managed to pull out of it just fine. By enabling them with these excuses, you are telling them they are incapable of making responsible decisions and taking command of their destiny. That's the difference between Democrats and Republicans and quite frankly, blacks would be served best by no longer listening to Democrats.

The Irish got a raw deal, and the Irish were white. The Irish didn't suffer slavery and segregation. The Irish didn't have people not selling them houses because of the color of their skin. Yes, they got a raw deal, but nowhere near as raw a deal as black people.

You think these are lame excuses? You think just pointing and giving simple answers for complex problems isn't lame?

You're talking about lame excuses. I'd say the lame excuse is from those who say "oh, we can't do anything to help them, we should just keep on going as we've been going even though it doesn't actually work".

Let's try this. Let's get right away from race and get into the American "can't do" psyche.

I'm going to show you Jamie Oliver. You might have seen his TV program. He's a good guy, thinks he can save the world. In the UK (where he's from) he has set up programs, the government gets behind him and tries to make a difference. He went to the US and thought he could do the same thing.



This is an overview of the program.

However it turned out to be like this. The schools said they wouldn't take on his healthy food program until he could prove that it was workable. He couldn't prove it was workable because they wouldn't take on his healthy food program. A nice Catch-22 situation for them to simply do nothing.

There was a threat on here about Michelle Obama want kids to only have one ketchup sachet per school meal. The right wing went MENTAL. Absolutely crazy over this. Some said schools shouldn't provide food. Some said schools shouldn't tell kids how to eat.

Learning about healthy food is ESSENTIAL in a country like the US where obesity is a massive problem. But all people care about is making sure NOTHING WORKS.

This is the US mentality. And this mentality exists within the issue of food, education, and even with race. You can see people like you giving the same logic as Jamie Oliver encountered.

America has an attitude problem and it's killing the US.

Sorry, you wandered off on a food tangent and lost whatever point you were trying to make.

By the way, you should know that kids themselves rejected the horrible crap Michelle tried to make them eat. They began bringing their own lunches and bartering. They have their whole lives to eat cardboard, it shouldn't be forced down their throats by sadistic Leftist control freaks. As Pink Floyd would say, "Hey, Teacher, leave those kids alone!"

I was making a point about the attitude of America. This is very relevant to my argument.

And then you go and back up point by showing the very attitude I said was causing a problem in the US.

When you have a problem, you look for people to blame, and make sure nothing changes.

I hold each individual responsible for their decisions, and don't let them blame Mississippi Burning for their failures. I absolutely stand by that.

I've traveled around the world, seen different peoples, different countries, live in a few of them. If you're born unlucky, you're born unlucky. Being born in Somalia and the chances are you're not going to be a rich person with a nice house, a nice car, aircon, washing machine. Being born into the US and the chances are you'll have all of that.

People can make the most of what they have. Problem is many people have less than other people right from the word go. In the US many people born into poverty are born with less because the American people make excuses for why they shouldn't make things more equal for those being born into poverty.

In the UK if you're born in poverty you will go to a state school and the quality of the teaching might vary a little from other state schools depending on variables like teachers and principles and the like.
However the amount of money the school has to spend on you will be the same as any other school.

In the US if you're born into poverty your school will probably have less money, teachers don't want to go work in those schools because of the social situation that hasn't been sorted out, and everything is unequal.