Combined Thread: "Solutions" for mass shootings. Gun Control, Mental Health, School Security, etc

[2aguy]

But you didn't answer the question. You completely avoided it.

Y'all have said "mental illness" is to blame for this violence.

Most mentally ill people aren't diagnosed, so their mental illness won't show up on any background check.

So how are you supposed to prevent them from getting a gun? The only way is to mandate that everyone who wants to buy a gun submit to a mental health evaluation. That's the only way we can be 100% sure, while also having accountability.

What you are saying is that everyone is mentally ill or could be. That is NOT a 100% sure way because you said earlier that people who are sane now could snap later.

Thus, the only REAL way to be sure we are protected is SHOOTING BACK.

Total repeal and everyone arm themselves.

gawd what a dumbo parrot you are.






House GOP Blocks Measure to Prevent Mentally Ill People From Getting Firearms

House Republicans voted Thursday to gut an Obama administration gun-control regulation that would have helped prevent some mentally ill people from purchasing firearms. The rule, which the NRA opposed and the House struck down 235–180, would have applied to people who receive Social Security disability or Supplemental Security Income (SSI) benefits and are unable to manage their own finances because of a documented mental illness, including schizophrenia or bipolar disorder. It would have covered about 75,000 people, reports USA Today.

Under the rule, which was finalized in the last days of the Obama administration and now will no longer be, the Social Security Administration would have reported these particular individuals to the FBI, so their names would have come up in a background check if someone tried to purchase a firearm. The SSA would also notify those potentially affected by the rule, and implement a system so people could appeal their placements on the background-check list, if necessary.


House GOP Blocks Measure to Prevent Mentally Ill People From Getting Firearms

Moron...pay attention......the ACLU and 23 other disability groups wanted that stupid, obama attack stopped......

Gun Control Laws Should Be Fair

But gun control laws, like any law, should be fair, effective and not based on prejudice or stereotype. This rule met none of those criteria.

In this era of “alternative facts,” we must urge politicians to create laws based on reliable evidence and solid data.

The thousands of Americans whose disability benefits are managed by someone else range from young people with depression and financial inexperience to older adults with Down syndrome needing help with a limited budget. But no data — none — show that these individuals have a propensity for violence in general or gun violence in particular.

To the contrary, studies show that people with mental disabilities are less likely to commit firearm crimes than to be the victimsof violence by others.

--------------------------
The ACLU and 23 national disability groups did not oppose this rule because we want more guns in our community.

This is about more than guns. Adding more innocent Americans to the National Instant Criminal Background database because of a mental disability is a disturbing trend — one that could be applied to voting, parenting or other rights dearer than gun ownership. We opposed it because it would do little to stem gun violence but do much to harm our civil rights.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Was the recent mass shooter allowed to have a gun?

What's that? No?

Well then, no law stopped him. It would have been better if the teachers and students around him were armed.

Idk man, when I went to school, we had 2 doors open to the air and all windows.

Zero mass shootings. There were a few spankings, though.

 

[Wyatt earp]

But you didn't answer the question. You completely avoided it.

Y'all have said "mental illness" is to blame for this violence.

Most mentally ill people aren't diagnosed, so their mental illness won't show up on any background check.

So how are you supposed to prevent them from getting a gun? The only way is to mandate that everyone who wants to buy a gun submit to a mental health evaluation. That's the only way we can be 100% sure, while also having accountability.

What you are saying is that everyone is mentally ill or could be. That is NOT a 100% sure way because you said earlier that people who are sane now could snap later.

Thus, the only REAL way to be sure we are protected is SHOOTING BACK.

Total repeal and everyone arm themselves.

gawd what a dumbo parrot you are.





House GOP Blocks Measure to Prevent Mentally Ill People From Getting Firearms

House Republicans voted Thursday to gut an Obama administration gun-control regulation that would have helped prevent some mentally ill people from purchasing firearms. The rule, which the NRA opposed and the House struck down 235–180, would have applied to people who receive Social Security disability or Supplemental Security Income (SSI) benefits and are unable to manage their own finances because of a documented mental illness, including schizophrenia or bipolar disorder. It would have covered about 75,000 people, reports USA Today.

Under the rule, which was finalized in the last days of the Obama administration and now will no longer be, the Social Security Administration would have reported these particular individuals to the FBI, so their names would have come up in a background check if someone tried to purchase a firearm. The SSA would also notify those potentially affected by the rule, and implement a system so people could appeal their placements on the background-check list, if necessary.


House GOP Blocks Measure to Prevent Mentally Ill People From Getting Firearms

This doesn't make sense..


The guy law of 1968 says mentally Ill people can not buy guns


Gun Control Act of 1968 - Wikipedia



4) has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution




Some one please tell me when they could from 1968 till Obama ?





.

 

[Valerie]

the Social Security Administration would have reported these particular individuals to the FBI, so their names would have come up in a background check if someone tried to purchase a firearm. The SSA would also notify those potentially affected by the rule, and implement a system so people could appeal their placements on the background-check list, if necessary.


House GOP Blocks Measure to Prevent Mentally Ill People From Getting Firearms

 

[koshergrl]

Let the spin of stories begin......

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Which is why in the old days, fetal alcohol syndrome babies were institutionalized..as were their pathetic mothers.

 

[2aguy]

the first clause of the 2nd amendment speaks of regulation that is "necessary to the security of a free state".

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


that is People with a capital P... in our democratic constitutional republic, ours is government by the People, for the People.

See what I mean. According to the left, we don't even have a right as individuals.

Fuck that. NO COMPROMISE!!!

If this is the position the left is going to take, I am going the opposite direction.

TOTAL REPEAL.

supreme court has upheld your right to own a firearm to protect yourself, so calm down, drama queen.


there is NO lawful purpose for the average American to have 'unregulated' access to weapons of war.

yes, individual gun ownership needs to be "well regulated" according to 'lawful purposes'.



the first clause of the 2nd amendment speaks of regulation that is "necessary to the security of a free state".

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


that is People with a capital P... in our democratic constitutional republic, ours is a government by the People, for the People.

The AR-15 is not a weapon of war.......a 6 shot revolver was used in actual war, bolt action rifles are currently used in war, pump action shotguns are currently used in war, and semi auto pistols are used in war.....lever action rifles were used in actual war.....

So every gun out there, except the AR-15 was used in war or is still used in war....so, according to you, you only want us to have AR-15s?

 

[basquebromance]

Student reporter David Hogg at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School spoke with his classmates while hiding from the deadly shooting: "I wanted to be a junior NRA member ... now I can't even fathom the idea of a gun in my house."

 

[Wry Catcher]

So, that's not the real objective.
You want total ban.
See why we don't trust the left on this topic?

I'm just saying that blaming it on mental health, while offering no solutions to the problem, doesn't really leave you with a lot to work with rhetorically.

I think it's unreasonable and impossible to ban guns, simply because there are more guns than people in this country. It's a fantasy just as much as it's a fantasy to round up and deport 11 million undocumented immigrants. Neither is realistic.

What I think is that we can take certain steps to prevent dangerous people from getting or using guns. I think you get there by:

• Imposing background checks on every single gun transaction there is;
• Mandate that all guns manufactured moving forward to have the fingerprint ID mechanism that prevents a different user(s) from firing;
• Prohibit anyone with a domestic violence charge from purchasing a gun;
• Ban anyone on the no-fly list from buying a gun
• Make the databases that hold criminal information and mental health evaluations/diagnosis universal and managed.

I believe that if we did just those five things, we'd see a dramatic reduction in the number of gun deaths and suicides by guns almost overnight.

Your last bullet point is damn near impossible; HIPAA & wedge issues were the road blocks. I was on a committee wherein the CJS in one county sought to provide a database including records from many police agencies in the county, the Sheriff and their records, the Health Dept, Social Service, Probation and the Courts.

I agree such a data base would see a dramatic reduction in the number of gun deaths and other violent acts (DV and Child Abuse, for example) as you pointed out. Needless to say our efforts led nowhere. Those who supported such a data base, wanted much of their own data to be protected.

 

[Valerie]

In early June 2016, the trio of Donald Trump Jr., then-campaign manager Paul Manafort, and Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner took a meeting with a Putin-connected lawyer... Former Trump White House adviser Steve Bannon has dubbed that meeting "treasonous."


A Potential Game Changer

The allegation that Russia funneled money into the NRA – to directly support Trump's presidential bid – is staggering.

Until now, we've understood the Russian support of Trump to have been oblique, delivered by a cadre of Facebook and Twitter trolls, and by the release of hacked DNC and Clinton campaign emails through Wikileaks.

The notion that the Kremlin was supporting Trump's presidential bid financially – and through an organization that holds itself up as a paragon of American patriotism – is almost unreal.

If the allegation bears out, it raises unsettling questions:

How much money did Torshin deliver?

Did the NRA understand that this money was coming from Moscow?

Did the Trump campaign?

Did Russian funds only support Trump – or did the money infiltrate the NRA's broader mission of electing Republicans? (In total, the NRA spent nearly $52 million in the 2016 general election on dozens of House and Senate races.)

Does Russian influence have anything to do with the fascistic turn in NRA messaging?

The Trump-Russia-NRA Connection: Here’s What You Need to Know





"The leader of a white nationalist militia says Florida school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz was a member of his group and participated in paramilitary drills in Tallahassee."

Update: Militia says school shooting suspect was member

"The leader of a white nationalist militia says Florida school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz was a member of his group and participated in paramilitary drills in Tallahassee."

Update: Militia says school shooting suspect was member

"Hey Bernie, get your people in line." - candidate Trump

Is the GOP now the party of authoritarianism?

"The leader of a white nationalist militia says Florida school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz was a member of his group and participated in paramilitary drills in Tallahassee."

Update: Militia says school shooting suspect was member




The Florida Shooting Had All the Red Flags

One of the classmates of the alleged shooter told local news that the student often showed a lot of warning signs, from showing off pictures of his guns to joking about knowing the layout of the school well enough to figure where students would be in case of a shooting.

WSVN 7 News on Twitter

Opponents of gun control will insist that it's too early to "get political," by which they will mean "discuss anything that could have prevented this" or "acknowledge that we have the power to change gun laws but we refuse to." They'll say that it's too soon to point out that Florida gun laws are some of the most relaxed in the country, meaning in Florida you can buy a gun without a license, you don't need firearms registration, and in most cases you don't need to go through a background check, including to purchase semi-automatic weapons. Acknowledging that it's less than two years since the Pulse in Orlando, the deadliest U.S. shooting in modern history, is "insensitive."

CBS Evening News on Twitter

Opponents of gun control will also likely say it's too soon to bring up that we know, categorically, that the presence of a gun in a home dramatically increases the likelihood of homicide and suicide.

 

[Marion Morrison]

the first clause of the 2nd amendment speaks of regulation that is "necessary to the security of a free state".

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


that is People with a capital P... in our democratic constitutional republic, ours is government by the People, for the People.

See what I mean. According to the left, we don't even have a right as individuals.

Fuck that. NO COMPROMISE!!!

If this is the position the left is going to take, I am going the opposite direction.

TOTAL REPEAL.

supreme court has upheld your right to own a firearm to protect yourself, so calm down, drama queen.


there is NO lawful purpose for the average American to have 'unregulated' access to weapons of war.

yes, individual gun ownership needs to be "well regulated" according to 'lawful purposes'.



the first clause of the 2nd amendment speaks of regulation that is "necessary to the security of a free state".

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


that is People with a capital P... in our democratic constitutional republic, ours is a government by the People, for the People.

The AR-15 is not a weapon of war.......a 6 shot revolver was used in actual war, bolt action rifles are currently used in war, pump action shotguns are currently used in war, and semi auto pistols are used in war.....lever action rifles were used in actual war.....

So every gun out there, except the AR-15 was used in war or is still used in war....so, according to you, you only want us to have AR-15s?

You know what? I don't want an AR-15, but dadgummit, if someone does, and they're 18, not crazy, and not a convicted felon, they should be able to have one!

Mortars are a weapon of war. Light arms should have almost no restrictions on the American populace owning them.

With the right license, you should be able to own HMG, mortars, and Howitzers, too.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Opponents of gun control will also likely say it's too soon to bring up that we know, categorically, that the presence of a gun in a home dramatically increases the likelihood of homicide and suicide.

And gun-grabbing commies will never say what we also know to be universally true--that the presence of a gun in every home dramatically decreases the likelihood of a communist revolution.

 

[Wyatt earp]

the Social Security Administration would have reported these particular individuals to the FBI, so their names would have come up in a background check if someone tried to purchase a firearm. The SSA would also notify those potentially affected by the rule, and implement a system so people could appeal their placements on the background-check list, if necessary.


House GOP Blocks Measure to Prevent Mentally Ill People From Getting Firearms

It's all misleading, they are blocking Social security REPORTING IT



It always been illegal since 1968.




Let's make a deal,we will let social security report it , if all states report their voter registration so we know if illegals are voting or not?


Let's make all states report the illegal violent crime

Let's make all states report their abortion numbers.

 

[Valerie]

In early June 2016, the trio of Donald Trump Jr., then-campaign manager Paul Manafort, and Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner took a meeting with a Putin-connected lawyer... Former Trump White House adviser Steve Bannon has dubbed that meeting "treasonous."


A Potential Game Changer

The allegation that Russia funneled money into the NRA – to directly support Trump's presidential bid – is staggering.

Until now, we've understood the Russian support of Trump to have been oblique, delivered by a cadre of Facebook and Twitter trolls, and by the release of hacked DNC and Clinton campaign emails through Wikileaks.

The notion that the Kremlin was supporting Trump's presidential bid financially – and through an organization that holds itself up as a paragon of American patriotism – is almost unreal.

If the allegation bears out, it raises unsettling questions:

How much money did Torshin deliver?

Did the NRA understand that this money was coming from Moscow?

Did the Trump campaign?

Did Russian funds only support Trump – or did the money infiltrate the NRA's broader mission of electing Republicans? (In total, the NRA spent nearly $52 million in the 2016 general election on dozens of House and Senate races.)

Does Russian influence have anything to do with the fascistic turn in NRA messaging?

The Trump-Russia-NRA Connection: Here’s What You Need to Know





"The leader of a white nationalist militia says Florida school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz was a member of his group and participated in paramilitary drills in Tallahassee."

Update: Militia says school shooting suspect was member

"The leader of a white nationalist militia says Florida school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz was a member of his group and participated in paramilitary drills in Tallahassee."

Update: Militia says school shooting suspect was member

"Hey Bernie, get your people in line." - candidate Trump

Is the GOP now the party of authoritarianism?

"The leader of a white nationalist militia says Florida school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz was a member of his group and participated in paramilitary drills in Tallahassee."

Update: Militia says school shooting suspect was member




The Florida Shooting Had All the Red Flags

One of the classmates of the alleged shooter told local news that the student often showed a lot of warning signs, from showing off pictures of his guns to joking about knowing the layout of the school well enough to figure where students would be in case of a shooting.

WSVN 7 News on Twitter

Opponents of gun control will insist that it's too early to "get political," by which they will mean "discuss anything that could have prevented this" or "acknowledge that we have the power to change gun laws but we refuse to." They'll say that it's too soon to point out that Florida gun laws are some of the most relaxed in the country, meaning in Florida you can buy a gun without a license, you don't need firearms registration, and in most cases you don't need to go through a background check, including to purchase semi-automatic weapons. Acknowledging that it's less than two years since the Pulse in Orlando, the deadliest U.S. shooting in modern history, is "insensitive."

CBS Evening News on Twitter

Opponents of gun control will also likely say it's too soon to bring up that we know, categorically, that the presence of a gun in a home dramatically increases the likelihood of homicide and suicide.

weird. usmb closed this thread.


Florida Shooter was a White Supremacist




A spokesperson for the white supremacist group Republic of Florida (ROF) told the Anti-Defamation League on Thursday, February 15, that Nikolas Cruz, the man charged with the previous day’s deadly shooting spree at a Parkland, Florida, high school, was associated with his group.

Florida White Supremacist Group Admits Ties to Alleged Parkland School Shooter Nikolas Cruz

 

[The Derp]

And I said "fine, but those who pass the tests should have no restrictions" to which you said no, we still need to restrict them because they may become mentally ill later, which means that EVERYBODY is suspect.

No, what it means is that there is now a level of accountability that wasn't there before; if a shrink clears you to buy a gun, but then you go and shoot up a concert with the gun you bought, then the accountability falls on the shrink who said you were A-OK.

Don't you want that kind of accountability? The person who sold the gun isn't accountable. The company that made the gun isn't accountable. The gun isn't accountable. Only the shrink would be accountable. So I don't see why it isn't the perfect solution for you; you only get to hold that snooty doctor accountable for the gun violence...everyone else and everything else is free of accountability.

Isn't that what you want? No accountability? There's your solution.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

No, what it means is that there is now a level of accountability that wasn't there before; if a shrink clears you to buy a gun, but then you go and shoot up a concert with the gun you bought, then the accountability falls on the shrink who said you were A-OK.

So no fucking shrink in the world would ever deem someone A-OK for fear of liability.

So, you get your total ban by default.

Got it.

 

[Wyatt earp]

[="Valerie, post: 19298614, member: 11971"]

In early June 2016, the trio of Donald Trump Jr., then-campaign manager Paul Manafort, and Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner took a meeting with a Putin-connected lawyer... Former Trump White House adviser Steve Bannon has dubbed that meeting "treasonous."


A Potential Game Changer

The allegation that Russia funneled money into the NRA – to directly support Trump's presidential bid – is staggering.

Until now, we've understood the Russian support of Trump to have been oblique, delivered by a cadre of Facebook and Twitter trolls, and by the release of hacked DNC and Clinton campaign emails through Wikileaks.

The notion that the Kremlin was supporting Trump's presidential bid financially – and through an organization that holds itself up as a paragon of American patriotism – is almost unreal.

If the allegation bears out, it raises unsettling questions:

How much money did Torshin deliver?

Did the NRA understand that this money was coming from Moscow?

Did the Trump campaign?

Did Russian funds only support Trump – or did the money infiltrate the NRA's broader mission of electing Republicans? (In total, the NRA spent nearly $52 million in the 2016 general election on dozens of House and Senate races.)

Does Russian influence have anything to do with the fascistic turn in NRA messaging?

The Trump-Russia-NRA Connection: Here’s What You Need to Know





"The leader of a white nationalist militia says Florida school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz was a member of his group and participated in paramilitary drills in Tallahassee."

Update: Militia says school shooting suspect was member

"The leader of a white nationalist militia says Florida school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz was a member of his group and participated in paramilitary drills in Tallahassee."

Update: Militia says school shooting suspect was member

"Hey Bernie, get your people in line." - candidate Trump

Is the GOP now the party of authoritarianism?

"The leader of a white nationalist militia says Florida school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz was a member of his group and participated in paramilitary drills in Tallahassee."

Update: Militia says school shooting suspect was member




The Florida Shooting Had All the Red Flags

One of the classmates of the alleged shooter told local news that the student often showed a lot of warning signs, from showing off pictures of his guns to joking about knowing the layout of the school well enough to figure where students would be in case of a shooting.

WSVN 7 News on Twitter

Opponents of gun control will insist that it's too early to "get political," by which they will mean "discuss anything that could have prevented this" or "acknowledge that we have the power to change gun laws but we refuse to." They'll say that it's too soon to point out that Florida gun laws are some of the most relaxed in the country, meaning in Florida you can buy a gun without a license, you don't need firearms registration, and in most cases you don't need to go through a background check, including to purchase semi-automatic weapons. Acknowledging that it's less than two years since the Pulse in Orlando, the deadliest U.S. shooting in modern history, is "insensitive."

CBS Evening News on Twitter

Opponents of gun control will also likely say it's too soon to bring up that we know, categorically, that the presence of a gun in a home dramatically increases the likelihood of homicide and suicide.[/QUOTE]



The FBI knew months ago and to incompetent once again..

FBI was warned about alleged shooter nearly 5 months ago, tipster says - CNN

 

[Marion Morrison]

In early June 2016, the trio of Donald Trump Jr., then-campaign manager Paul Manafort, and Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner took a meeting with a Putin-connected lawyer... Former Trump White House adviser Steve Bannon has dubbed that meeting "treasonous."


A Potential Game Changer

The allegation that Russia funneled money into the NRA – to directly support Trump's presidential bid – is staggering.

Until now, we've understood the Russian support of Trump to have been oblique, delivered by a cadre of Facebook and Twitter trolls, and by the release of hacked DNC and Clinton campaign emails through Wikileaks.

The notion that the Kremlin was supporting Trump's presidential bid financially – and through an organization that holds itself up as a paragon of American patriotism – is almost unreal.

If the allegation bears out, it raises unsettling questions:

How much money did Torshin deliver?

Did the NRA understand that this money was coming from Moscow?

Did the Trump campaign?

Did Russian funds only support Trump – or did the money infiltrate the NRA's broader mission of electing Republicans? (In total, the NRA spent nearly $52 million in the 2016 general election on dozens of House and Senate races.)

Does Russian influence have anything to do with the fascistic turn in NRA messaging?

The Trump-Russia-NRA Connection: Here’s What You Need to Know





"The leader of a white nationalist militia says Florida school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz was a member of his group and participated in paramilitary drills in Tallahassee."

Update: Militia says school shooting suspect was member

"The leader of a white nationalist militia says Florida school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz was a member of his group and participated in paramilitary drills in Tallahassee."

Update: Militia says school shooting suspect was member

"Hey Bernie, get your people in line." - candidate Trump

Is the GOP now the party of authoritarianism?

"The leader of a white nationalist militia says Florida school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz was a member of his group and participated in paramilitary drills in Tallahassee."

Update: Militia says school shooting suspect was member




The Florida Shooting Had All the Red Flags

One of the classmates of the alleged shooter told local news that the student often showed a lot of warning signs, from showing off pictures of his guns to joking about knowing the layout of the school well enough to figure where students would be in case of a shooting.

WSVN 7 News on Twitter

Opponents of gun control will insist that it's too early to "get political," by which they will mean "discuss anything that could have prevented this" or "acknowledge that we have the power to change gun laws but we refuse to." They'll say that it's too soon to point out that Florida gun laws are some of the most relaxed in the country, meaning in Florida you can buy a gun without a license, you don't need firearms registration, and in most cases you don't need to go through a background check, including to purchase semi-automatic weapons. Acknowledging that it's less than two years since the Pulse in Orlando, the deadliest U.S. shooting in modern history, is "insensitive."

CBS Evening News on Twitter

Opponents of gun control will also likely say it's too soon to bring up that we know, categorically, that the presence of a gun in a home dramatically increases the likelihood of homicide and suicide.

weird. usmb closed this thread.


Florida Shooter was a White Supremacist




A spokesperson for the white supremacist group Republic of Florida (ROF) told the Anti-Defamation League on Thursday, February 15, that Nikolas Cruz, the man charged with the previous day’s deadly shooting spree at a Parkland, Florida, high school, was associated with his group.

Florida White Supremacist Group Admits Ties to Alleged Parkland School Shooter Nikolas Cruz

I suppose South Florida could be considered a target-rich environment for a crazy White Supremacist wanting to kill "other than white", then.

His last name is Cruz.

Perhaps Valerie didn't catch that, but..

Cruz is a Latin last name, every time!

Claiming he was a Latin King would be more convincing, sorry.

 

[Lastamender]

In early June 2016, the trio of Donald Trump Jr., then-campaign manager Paul Manafort, and Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner took a meeting with a Putin-connected lawyer... Former Trump White House adviser Steve Bannon has dubbed that meeting "treasonous."


A Potential Game Changer

The allegation that Russia funneled money into the NRA – to directly support Trump's presidential bid – is staggering.

Until now, we've understood the Russian support of Trump to have been oblique, delivered by a cadre of Facebook and Twitter trolls, and by the release of hacked DNC and Clinton campaign emails through Wikileaks.

The notion that the Kremlin was supporting Trump's presidential bid financially – and through an organization that holds itself up as a paragon of American patriotism – is almost unreal.

If the allegation bears out, it raises unsettling questions:

How much money did Torshin deliver?

Did the NRA understand that this money was coming from Moscow?

Did the Trump campaign?

Did Russian funds only support Trump – or did the money infiltrate the NRA's broader mission of electing Republicans? (In total, the NRA spent nearly $52 million in the 2016 general election on dozens of House and Senate races.)

Does Russian influence have anything to do with the fascistic turn in NRA messaging?

The Trump-Russia-NRA Connection: Here’s What You Need to Know





"The leader of a white nationalist militia says Florida school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz was a member of his group and participated in paramilitary drills in Tallahassee."

Update: Militia says school shooting suspect was member

"The leader of a white nationalist militia says Florida school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz was a member of his group and participated in paramilitary drills in Tallahassee."

Update: Militia says school shooting suspect was member

"Hey Bernie, get your people in line." - candidate Trump

Is the GOP now the party of authoritarianism?

"The leader of a white nationalist militia says Florida school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz was a member of his group and participated in paramilitary drills in Tallahassee."

Update: Militia says school shooting suspect was member




The Florida Shooting Had All the Red Flags

One of the classmates of the alleged shooter told local news that the student often showed a lot of warning signs, from showing off pictures of his guns to joking about knowing the layout of the school well enough to figure where students would be in case of a shooting.

WSVN 7 News on Twitter

Opponents of gun control will insist that it's too early to "get political," by which they will mean "discuss anything that could have prevented this" or "acknowledge that we have the power to change gun laws but we refuse to." They'll say that it's too soon to point out that Florida gun laws are some of the most relaxed in the country, meaning in Florida you can buy a gun without a license, you don't need firearms registration, and in most cases you don't need to go through a background check, including to purchase semi-automatic weapons. Acknowledging that it's less than two years since the Pulse in Orlando, the deadliest U.S. shooting in modern history, is "insensitive."

CBS Evening News on Twitter

Opponents of gun control will also likely say it's too soon to bring up that we know, categorically, that the presence of a gun in a home dramatically increases the likelihood of homicide and suicide.

weird. usmb closed this thread.


Florida Shooter was a White Supremacist




A spokesperson for the white supremacist group Republic of Florida (ROF) told the Anti-Defamation League on Thursday, February 15, that Nikolas Cruz, the man charged with the previous day’s deadly shooting spree at a Parkland, Florida, high school, was associated with his group.

Florida White Supremacist Group Admits Ties to Alleged Parkland School Shooter Nikolas Cruz

Did that group tell him to go to his school and shoot it up? If they did not it is not even worth mentioning, unless that organization has a violent history. It is not against the law to be a white supremacist.

From your link.

ROF has members in north and south Florida. The alt right white supremacist group borrows paramilitary concepts from the anti-government extremist militia movement (not itself a white supremacist movement). ROF describes itself as a “white civil rights organization fighting for white identitarian politics” and seeks to create a “white ethnostate” in Florida. Most ROF members are young and the group itself is only a few years old.

 

[tycho1572]

Libs are always coming up the dumbest solutions.

Here's what libs thought would happen when they came up with the stupid idea of having gun free zones .....

Here's what really happens .....

 

[The Derp]

What you are saying is that everyone is mentally ill or could be.

That's not what I'm saying at all.

Mandating everyone submit to a mental health evaluation is the only way you can prevent mentally ill people from getting guns. It also adds in a layer of accountability that doesn't exist right now; the doctor who does the evaluation is accountable for their decision on someone's mental health. So in that scenario, you aren't even held accountable for anything. Isn't that what you want? To not have to be held accountable? I'm confused, because I thought that was what you wanted.

That is NOT a 100% sure way because you said earlier that people who are sane now could snap later.

Exactly...which is why you must continue to go for behavioral health just as a matter of your own health. There's nothing wrong with going to therapy. Everyone should because it works. It can prevent you from slip-sliding into depression or "snapping". Usually, people who fall into depression or "snap" have an un-diagnosed mental illness. Going for a psychological evaluation can catch that shit, and you can treat it before it becomes an issue.

Why wouldn't you do that? Sounds like you need that therapy, because you're pretty paranoid as it is. I'm not entirely sure you'd pass a psychological evaluation given your propensity of paranoia.

Thus, the only REAL way to be sure we are protected is SHOOTING BACK.

What if you miss and hit a bystander?