Combined Thread: "Solutions" for mass shootings. Gun Control, Mental Health, School Security, etc

[Valerie]

Joseph Stiglitz: 'Trump has fascist tendencies'

How fascist is Donald Trump? There’s actually a formula for that.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...ald-trump-theres-actually-a-formula-for-that/

Opponents of gun control will also likely say it's too soon to bring up that we know, categorically, that the presence of a gun in a home dramatically increases the likelihood of homicide and suicide.

And gun-grabbing commies will never say what we also know to be universally true--that the presence of a gun in every home dramatically decreases the likelihood of a communist revolution.

so, effectively you're admitting to being scared of those who you call "snowflakes"?

ooooooh noze, the politically correct boogeyman is coming to get you!!!

OMFG they're going to force you to be kind to women, negroes, and jews! run away, run away!!!

 

[The Derp]

If they did not it is not even worth mentioning, unless that organization has a violent history. It is not against the law to be a white supremacist.

Do you want to mainstream acceptance of white supremacy or something?

 

[Wyatt earp]

In early June 2016, the trio of Donald Trump Jr., then-campaign manager Paul Manafort, and Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner took a meeting with a Putin-connected lawyer... Former Trump White House adviser Steve Bannon has dubbed that meeting "treasonous."


A Potential Game Changer

The allegation that Russia funneled money into the NRA – to directly support Trump's presidential bid – is staggering.

Until now, we've understood the Russian support of Trump to have been oblique, delivered by a cadre of Facebook and Twitter trolls, and by the release of hacked DNC and Clinton campaign emails through Wikileaks.

The notion that the Kremlin was supporting Trump's presidential bid financially – and through an organization that holds itself up as a paragon of American patriotism – is almost unreal.

If the allegation bears out, it raises unsettling questions:

How much money did Torshin deliver?

Did the NRA understand that this money was coming from Moscow?

Did the Trump campaign?

Did Russian funds only support Trump – or did the money infiltrate the NRA's broader mission of electing Republicans? (In total, the NRA spent nearly $52 million in the 2016 general election on dozens of House and Senate races.)

Does Russian influence have anything to do with the fascistic turn in NRA messaging?

The Trump-Russia-NRA Connection: Here’s What You Need to Know





"The leader of a white nationalist militia says Florida school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz was a member of his group and participated in paramilitary drills in Tallahassee."

Update: Militia says school shooting suspect was member

"The leader of a white nationalist militia says Florida school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz was a member of his group and participated in paramilitary drills in Tallahassee."

Update: Militia says school shooting suspect was member

"Hey Bernie, get your people in line." - candidate Trump

Is the GOP now the party of authoritarianism?

"The leader of a white nationalist militia says Florida school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz was a member of his group and participated in paramilitary drills in Tallahassee."

Update: Militia says school shooting suspect was member




The Florida Shooting Had All the Red Flags

One of the classmates of the alleged shooter told local news that the student often showed a lot of warning signs, from showing off pictures of his guns to joking about knowing the layout of the school well enough to figure where students would be in case of a shooting.

WSVN 7 News on Twitter

Opponents of gun control will insist that it's too early to "get political," by which they will mean "discuss anything that could have prevented this" or "acknowledge that we have the power to change gun laws but we refuse to." They'll say that it's too soon to point out that Florida gun laws are some of the most relaxed in the country, meaning in Florida you can buy a gun without a license, you don't need firearms registration, and in most cases you don't need to go through a background check, including to purchase semi-automatic weapons. Acknowledging that it's less than two years since the Pulse in Orlando, the deadliest U.S. shooting in modern history, is "insensitive."

CBS Evening News on Twitter

Opponents of gun control will also likely say it's too soon to bring up that we know, categorically, that the presence of a gun in a home dramatically increases the likelihood of homicide and suicide.

weird. usmb closed this thread.


Florida Shooter was a White Supremacist




A spokesperson for the white supremacist group Republic of Florida (ROF) told the Anti-Defamation League on Thursday, February 15, that Nikolas Cruz, the man charged with the previous day’s deadly shooting spree at a Parkland, Florida, high school, was associated with his group.

Florida White Supremacist Group Admits Ties to Alleged Parkland School Shooter Nikolas Cruz

I suppose South Florida could be considered a target-rich environment for a crazy White Supremacist wanting to kill "other than white", then.

His last name is Cruz.

Perhaps Valerie didn't catch that, but..

Cruz is a Latin last name, every time!

Claiming he was a Latin King would be more convincing, sorry.

I thought Ted Cruz was candian ? Remember when they called that Latino who killed the Skittles guy "white?"

 

[The Derp]

Libs are always coming up the dumbest solutions.

Here's what libs thought would happen when they came up with the stupid idea of having gun free zones .....

Here's what really happens .....

Bit inaccurate on that second cartoon. It shouldn't be two muslims, it should be one white guy in a MAGA hat.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Why wouldn't you do that? Sounds like you need that therapy, because you're pretty paranoid as it is. I'm not entirely sure you'd pass a psychological evaluation given your propensity of paranoia.

There's no need for this bullshit. Knock it off, asshole.

It's much easier, cheaper, and more effective to just arm everyone and shoot back.

You and other pussies don't like that solution because you are too chicken shit to take responsibility for your own personal security. You are irrationally afraid of guns.

Grow a pair and arm yourself or be a meat target for the next mass shooter.

 

[Baz Ares]

LOL...Cruz the Shooter.

As we reported ... Cruz participated in at least one training exercise with a white supremacist group.

NIKOLAS CRUZ TRAINED WITH WHITE SUPREMACISTS
Leader Confirms Affiliation.

Police get ‘copycat threats’ day after Florida school shooting

Authorities in Broward county said they’ve received several “copycat threats” the day after a gunman opened fire and killed 17 at a Florida high school.

Sheriff Scott Israel told reporters Thursday morning the department will take all such threats seriously in light of the deadly shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.


NRA Gun Nutters... To Arms,... To Arms! Stand our schools grounds, Cowards.
As we know, you cowards are never around with your AR-15's.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Bit inaccurate on that second cartoon. It shouldn't be two muslims, it should be one white guy in a MAGA hat.

Either way, it is accurate on the substance.

You're a pussy.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

What if you miss and hit a bystander?

Why is the bystander not also shooting back?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

OMFG they're going to force you to be kind to women, negroes, and jews! run away, run away!!!

Shut the fuck up. You know that is not what you commies stand for.

 

[Lastamender]

If they did not it is not even worth mentioning, unless that organization has a violent history. It is not against the law to be a white supremacist.

Do you want to mainstream acceptance of white supremacy or something?

Did I say that?

 

[The Derp]

There's no need for this bullshit. Knock it off, asshole.

Wow, so...

• quick to anger
• paranoid delusion
• imagining people saying things they didn't say
• nihilism

So that's like, four pretty big fucking signs of mental illness. Have you personally ever undergone a mental health examination? Maybe you should. But you seem to afraid of what the examination may say. Irrationally afraid, I'd say. There's nothing wrong with having a mental illness. What's wrong is not getting yourself evaluated and then harming others because you can't control it.

It's much easier, cheaper, and more effective to just arm everyone and shoot back.

What if you miss and hit a bystander?

You and other pussies don't like that solution because you are too chicken shit to take responsibility for your own personal security. You are irrationally afraid of guns..

No, I am afraid of mentally ill people getting guns. Particularly those who have the fantasy of turning Chuck E. Cheese into their personal wish fulfillment of being a vigilante because the rest of their life is hopeless, hollow, and empty.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

If they did not it is not even worth mentioning, unless that organization has a violent history. It is not against the law to be a white supremacist.

Do you want to mainstream acceptance of white supremacy or something?

Did I say that?

He's brushing up on rules for radicals.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

There's no need for this bullshit. Knock it off, asshole.

Wow, so...

• quick to anger
• paranoid delusion
• imagining people saying things they didn't say
• nihilism

So that's like, four pretty big fucking signs of mental illness. Have you personally ever undergone a mental health examination? Maybe you should. But you seem to afraid of what the examination may say. Irrationally afraid, I'd say. There's nothing wrong with having a mental illness. What's wrong is not getting yourself evaluated and then harming others because you can't control it.

It's much easier, cheaper, and more effective to just arm everyone and shoot back.

What if you miss and hit a bystander?

You and other pussies don't like that solution because you are too chicken shit to take responsibility for your own personal security. You are irrationally afraid of guns..

No, I am afraid of mentally ill people getting guns. Particularly those who have the fantasy of turning Chuck E. Cheese into their personal wish fulfillment of being a vigilante because the rest of their life is hopeless, hollow, and empty.

So, your argument is that I am wrong because you think I am crazy? Is that it?

Keep doing your Rules for Radicals routine. I like it.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Joseph Stiglitz: 'Trump has fascist tendencies'

How fascist is Donald Trump? There’s actually a formula for that.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...ald-trump-theres-actually-a-formula-for-that/

Opponents of gun control will also likely say it's too soon to bring up that we know, categorically, that the presence of a gun in a home dramatically increases the likelihood of homicide and suicide.

And gun-grabbing commies will never say what we also know to be universally true--that the presence of a gun in every home dramatically decreases the likelihood of a communist revolution.

so, effectively you're admitting to being scared of those who you call "snowflakes"?

ooooooh noze, the politically correct boogeyman is coming to get you!!!

OMFG they're going to force you to be kind to women, negroes, and jews! run away, run away!!!

Or give up your guns, and think and do what they say or be eliminated, because you have no other recourse.

In other words, back to Feudal Serfdom.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

There's no need for this bullshit. Knock it off, asshole.

Wow, so...

• quick to anger
• paranoid delusion
• imagining people saying things they didn't say
• nihilism

So that's like, four pretty big fucking signs of mental illness. Have you personally ever undergone a mental health examination? Maybe you should. But you seem to afraid of what the examination may say. Irrationally afraid, I'd say. There's nothing wrong with having a mental illness. What's wrong is not getting yourself evaluated and then harming others because you can't control it.

It's much easier, cheaper, and more effective to just arm everyone and shoot back.

What if you miss and hit a bystander?

You and other pussies don't like that solution because you are too chicken shit to take responsibility for your own personal security. You are irrationally afraid of guns..

No, I am afraid of mentally ill people getting guns. Particularly those who have the fantasy of turning Chuck E. Cheese into their personal wish fulfillment of being a vigilante because the rest of their life is hopeless, hollow, and empty.

See. What happened here is I beat your fucking ass with your own arguments and bullshit, so now you are whipping out the insults because you've got nothing else.

Go ahead and admit it. They all know anyway.

 

[The Derp]

Bit inaccurate on that second cartoon. It shouldn't be two muslims, it should be one white guy in a MAGA hat.

Either way, it is accurate on the substance.

You're a pussy.

I don't need a gun to feel safe.

 

[The Derp]

What if you miss and hit a bystander?

Why is the bystander not also shooting back?

What if they hit you?

Seems to me like you just want everyone shooting at everyone else because you think you'll survive. You won't.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

I don't need a gun to feel safe.

...as long as nobody else has one, right?

 

[The Derp]

If they did not it is not even worth mentioning, unless that organization has a violent history. It is not against the law to be a white supremacist.

Do you want to mainstream acceptance of white supremacy or something?

Did I say that?

That's what you seem to be arguing. So do you? Why didn't you just say "no" right away?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

What if they hit you?

Seems to me like you just want everyone shooting at everyone else because you think you'll survive. You won't.

But, the alternative is better? Being an unarmed meat target?

I'll take my chances.