Come on progressives - tell us again how it is so “great”

[LuckyDuck]

I think our National Parks are pretty damn amazing. You ever been to any of them?

And that’s a credit to Roosevelt, how? Maybe I’m just silly, but I was always under the impression that God created them.

If one actually believes in a deity (some religions believe in multiple deities and native American tribes believed, and some still do, that everything from trees to rocks, have a spirit) then such individuals believe that deities created the heavens and earth. But, Conservative Republicans and ignorant settlers would have leveled all of our forests for profit. Theodore Roosevelt created the "PARKS," by law as protected areas, to be preserved from those who only saw money in their destruction.

 

[LuckyDuck]

You're confusing progressivism with socialism.

No I’m not. They are one in the same.

Theodore Roosevelt, whom I consider one of our greatest presidents

Well that’s just sad. Roosevelt was a fuck’n tool who shredded the U.S. Constitution. He had absolutely no authority to take land and create national parks. Easily one of the worst 15 presidents in history.

I think our National Parks are pretty damn amazing. You ever been to any of them?

Yeah. I've been to Olympic National Park, Mount Rainier National Park, Alpine Lakes Wilderness, Pasayten Wilderness, Crater Lake National Park,Yellowstone National Park, Yosemite National Park, Hawaii Volcanoes National Park, Crater Lake National Park and the Great Smokey Mountains National Park. Clearly, I have more to go before passing on.

 

[Slade3200]

You're confusing progressivism with socialism.

No I’m not. They are one in the same.

Theodore Roosevelt, whom I consider one of our greatest presidents

Well that’s just sad. Roosevelt was a fuck’n tool who shredded the U.S. Constitution. He had absolutely no authority to take land and create national parks. Easily one of the worst 15 presidents in history.

I think our National Parks are pretty damn amazing. You ever been to any of them?

Yeah. I've been to Olympic National Park, Mount Rainier National Park, Alpine Lakes Wilderness, Pasayten Wilderness, Crater Lake National Park,Yellowstone National Park, Yosemite National Park, Hawaii Volcanoes National Park, Crater Lake National Park and the Great Smokey Mountains National Park. Clearly, I have more to go before passing on.

I highly recommend you start at Arches in Utah and take the road south through capital reef, Bryce Canyon and ending at Zion. It will blow your mind. Zion is like Yosemite on Mars. Incredible

 

[LuckyDuck]

You're confusing progressivism with socialism.

No I’m not. They are one in the same.

Theodore Roosevelt, whom I consider one of our greatest presidents

Well that’s just sad. Roosevelt was a fuck’n tool who shredded the U.S. Constitution. He had absolutely no authority to take land and create national parks. Easily one of the worst 15 presidents in history.

I think our National Parks are pretty damn amazing. You ever been to any of them?

Yeah. I've been to Olympic National Park, Mount Rainier National Park, Alpine Lakes Wilderness, Pasayten Wilderness, Crater Lake National Park,Yellowstone National Park, Yosemite National Park, Hawaii Volcanoes National Park, Crater Lake National Park and the Great Smokey Mountains National Park. Clearly, I have more to go before passing on.

I highly recommend you start at Arches in Utah and take the road south through capital reef, Bryce Canyon and ending at Zion. It will blow your mind. Zion is like Yosemite on Mars. Incredible

I've been seriously considering that one. I've been wanting to wander down that shallow river between the canyon walls. This month, however, I'm flying to Kauai, Hawaii, to see the Waimea Canyon State Park and the Kalalau Trail, and get in some dive or snorkel time.

 

[P@triot]

Only an idiot progressive would want the government to decide their healthcare - including whether they live or die. And spare us the immature and idiotic false narrative that it's "better than an insurance company deciding" because an insurance company has no such power. None. At the absolute best, all they can do is stop paying.

Why Single-Payer Health Care Denies Care To Children Like Alfie Evans

 

[Slade3200]

Only an idiot progressive would want the government to decide their healthcare - including whether they live or die. And spare us the immature and idiotic false narrative that it's "better than an insurance company deciding" because an insurance company has no such power. None. At the absolute best, all they can do is stop paying.

Why Single-Payer Health Care Denies Care To Children Like Alfie Evans

I dont think most people want the government to decide their healthcare, but I do think they want everybody in this country to be covered if they are sick and suffering. Same concept as Medicare which is a literal life saver for many elderly citizens.

 

[P@triot]

I do think they want everybody in this country to be covered if they are sick and suffering.

If that were even remotely true, progressives would have started a foundation to cover all uninsured many decades ago. The fact that they refuse to do so tells you everything you need to know.

 

[Slade3200]

I do think they want everybody in this country to be covered if they are sick and suffering.

If that were even remotely true, progressives would have started a foundation to cover all uninsured many decades ago. The fact that they refuse to do so tells you everything you need to know.

How would a foundation cover everybody?

 

[P@triot]

I do think they want everybody in this country to be covered if they are sick and suffering.

If that were even remotely true, progressives would have started a foundation to cover all uninsured many decades ago. The fact that they refuse to do so tells you everything you need to know.

How would a foundation cover everybody?

How would it not?

How does The Shriners Hospitals cover all costs for children?

 

[Slade3200]

I do think they want everybody in this country to be covered if they are sick and suffering.

If that were even remotely true, progressives would have started a foundation to cover all uninsured many decades ago. The fact that they refuse to do so tells you everything you need to know.

How would a foundation cover everybody?

How would it not?

How does The Shriners Hospitals cover all costs for children?

Shriners does a great job. I’m not familiar with their biz model but I know the amount of children they cover is quite a bit less than everybody in the US

 

[P@triot]

Shriners does a great job. I’m not familiar with their biz model but I know the amount of children they cover is quite a bit less than everybody in the US

But everybody in the U.S. doesn’t need healthcare coverage. Just a small percentage of the people do.

The highest estimates were 30 million people (out of 330 million). So basically 90% of the U.S. had coverage and 10% needed it (again - highest estimates). So surely all of these left-wing socialists can pool their resources to cover 10% of the population.

George Soros (billionaire). Tom Steyer (billionaire). Al Gore (billionaire). Throw in all of the Hollywood elites and it’s embarrassing that these people haven’t started a foundation. They would have if this actually had anything to do with people and healthcare.

 

[Slade3200]

Shriners does a great job. I’m not familiar with their biz model but I know the amount of children they cover is quite a bit less than everybody in the US

But everybody in the U.S. doesn’t need healthcare coverage. Just a small percentage of the people do.

The highest estimates were 30 million people (out of 330 million). So basically 90% of the U.S. had coverage and 10% needed it (again - highest estimates). So surely all of these left-wing socialists can pool their resources to cover 10% of the population.

George Soros (billionaire). Tom Steyer (billionaire). Al Gore (billionaire). Throw in all of the Hollywood elites and it’s embarrassing that these people haven’t started a foundation. They would have if this actually had anything to do with people and healthcare.

I’m not seeing the business model of how a medicare for all foundation would work. Perhaps it’s over my head

 

[P@triot]

I’m not seeing the business model of how a medicare for all foundation would work. Perhaps it’s over my head

Probably because nobody has pitched that. Nobody has said “X for all”. All that is required is a foundation for the extreme minority. That small 10% or less that didn’t have healthcare.

 

[Slade3200]

I’m not seeing the business model of how a medicare for all foundation would work. Perhaps it’s over my head

Probably because nobody has pitched that. Nobody has said “X for all”. All that is required is a foundation for the extreme minority. That small 10% or less that didn’t have healthcare.

Are you talking about a Medicaid sort of model?

 

[P@triot]

Are you talking about a Medicaid sort of model?

Nope. I’m talking about a foundation to provide healthcare coverage for the uninsured. Sort of like the Shriners Hospitals (except instead of the direct healthcare, the progressive foundation would just provide the insurance coverage).

They would have done this decades ago if they actually cared about people or healthcare. But that has never been the case. That’s not what the healthcare battle is about.

 

[Slade3200]

Are you talking about a Medicaid sort of model?

Nope. I’m talking about a foundation to provide healthcare coverage for the uninsured. Sort of like the Shriners Hospitals (except instead of the direct healthcare, the progressive foundation would just provide the insurance coverage).

They would have done this decades ago if they actually cared about people or healthcare. But that has never been the case. That’s not what the healthcare battle is about.

If there was a foundation to pay for the uninsured then wouldn’t the amount of uninsured increase? Why would people pay for private insurance if there was a free option? Again I’m not seeing the biz model that would make this thing work

 

[P@triot]

If there was a foundation to pay for the uninsured then wouldn’t the amount of uninsured increase?

Oh..so you mean like Medicaid? Or welfare? Or SNAP? Bingo.

 

[P@triot]

If there was a foundation to pay for the uninsured then wouldn’t the amount of uninsured increase?

Shriners Hospitals pay for children in need. Why doesn’t the amount of children increase? Why don’t I take my children there?

 

[Slade3200]

If there was a foundation to pay for the uninsured then wouldn’t the amount of uninsured increase?

Oh..so you mean like Medicaid? Or welfare? Or SNAP? Bingo.

Not exactly, there may be a fraction of people who live in borderline poverty that find it easier to stay in poverty so they can take advantage of those programs but that doesn’t apply to the masses. I understand your frustrations with those people and how the system can be a factor in keeping them in poverty, but if we are looking at the big picture and the majority of people you aren’t going to see anybody who is high or middle class diving into poverty to get on Medicaid. And I believe most people would jump at the the opportunity to climb out of poverty with a good job if given the chance.

 

[Slade3200]

If there was a foundation to pay for the uninsured then wouldn’t the amount of uninsured increase?

Shriners Hospitals pay for children in need. Why doesn’t the amount of children increase? Why don’t I take my children there?

Because you have a private healthcare plan that covers them