communism v capitalism

[Deplorable Yankee]

US Constitution does not make any mention about "communism is better than capitalism." So, debate your soiled, stained paintez that your mother is going to wash tomorrow morning.

Constitution of the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

the idea is that communism would work better than the constitution and i couldn't really find another place to post this. also quit using ad hominems, they make your point look invalid.

the constitution has lasted 230yr,,, no communist country has made it 75 yrs,,,

no communist country has ever existed.

OH I forgot youre not that educated,,,

wait a minute,,, how can you say its better of its never existed before???

does not compute in the useful idiots mind

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

communism is better than capitalism.
debate me using facts and not ad hominems.

First one has to define ones terms. Communism is NOT a stateless, moneyless, egalitarian, society where the workers own the means of production. Communism is a political ideology which attempts to move towards that utopian society. Which means so long as one is following the prescribed ideology one is a communist and lives within a communist society.

This is why modern communists foolishly claim that the USSR and China and Cuba and any other communist nation are not true communist nations. They are communist nations stuck under the dictatprship of the proletariate.

Marx himself stated that the dictatorship of the proletariate would be necessary to work towards the goal. He specified that no one can know how long the dictatorship will last but that it would last as long as it needs to. Which of course cdan easily mean thousands of years. But as long as that dictatorship claims that they will one day achieve the class less egalitarian society and then the state will whither away and die then that brutal despotic relationship is in fact a communist government. Just skip over the fact but do not forget that NO government just whithers away and dies because they are no longer needed and no government ever will do that.

Make no mistake Marx also stated that said dictatorship would be despotic and that said despotism would be necessary along with violent terror to exterminate the reactionaries. Which means anyone who disagrees. Modern communists ignore this because they lie endlessly claiming that the dictatorship of the proletariate does not mean a literal dictatorship. When in fact that is precisely what Marx meant. Tyrannical, bloodthirsty, brutal, genocidal, dictatorship. Which is precisely what every communist government is.

In contrast capitalism does not rely on such burtality but instead relies on respect and peace. When you want something and pay for it it is a peaceful sign of respect that you and the person selling it are exchanging value for value and no one is taking from another by force. Communism demands such force be applied because people do not ever and never will be inclined to just give all that they are capable of giving to others for nothing. This is why " From each according to his ability and to each according to his need " is a description of the ideal communist world AND a description of slavery. Communism and slavery are one and the same. Slaves have their ability taken from them to benefit another while they are given just what they need. Sure slavery has existed in capitalist nations but was proven to be inneffecient and done away with. Communism simply enslaves EVERYONE and cannot exist without universal slavery.

So if you wish to argue communism is better start by explaining why hanging the words " of the proletariate" after the word dictator makes the dictatorship a good thing. Do not dodge and claim he meant something else. He meant dictatorship and it is absolutely mandatory to have that dictatorship after the revolution. Marx NEVER wrote anything to explain what he meant other than DESPOTISM under the dictatorship.

Then explain how communism is so much better without money which people use to engage in trade. Without it there is only theft and violence.

firstly: i loved reading your response, super well written, super well thought out, overall i liked it a lot.
secondly: i guess you and i had different interpretations of what i meant by communism. i meant the end goal, y'know, that utopia after all the horrible stuff marx described. when it comes to practicality, capitalism is definitely a lot easier than communism, it doesn't require any transitional period because we already exist in capitalism, right. my personal view (and this varies from person to person) is that ideally, to transition to communism, we would skip over the bloodshed by taking things slower, with a more libertarian socialist approach. with a more controlled transition, we could prevent unneeded deaths, as well as create a more thought out society. it's interesting that you use the term universal slavery, it makes me think of capitalism and how ultimately, we're all slaves to whoever has the most money (i.e. amazon, jeff bezos, elon musk, etc).

Why dont you go to Cuba, where you can try out your Communistic Utopian Dream for a few years, get back to me with your opinion then we can talk....


I knew a reporter like you, who ended up going there and report on what Communism is like, he came back a confirmed capitalist.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

communism is better than capitalism.
debate me using facts and not ad hominems.

TROLL^^^

nah capitalism sucks ass

only for lazy people,,,

now communism will kill your ass dead,,,

I'd rather have my ass sucked than killed,,,

where's your evidence that communism would kill my ass dead

want to take that risk, that you could be one of the many?

 

[verker]

communism is better than capitalism.
debate me using facts and not ad hominems.

Self will capitalism in US than the East policy communism.

communism is better than capitalism.

No because capitalism is better in Canada, US, Brazil and Europe.

And Canada heavy capitalism of the world.

And two leading conservative party in 2019 election sprint.

And hence the conservative party won Canadian election's.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Communism is like a Union. Some people work hard, and want to keep what they have worked hard to produce. There are some people who barely work, ride the coattails of the hard working person, yet wants to get the same as the hard working person. What ends up is the hard working person, decides that this is bullshit then stops working as hard thus getting less over all.

This shit has been introduced here in this country before, it didnt work, but when it went Capitalist, it became a power house country.

The Pilgrims’ Failed Experiment With Socialism Should Teach America A Lesson

Listen To The Article Socialism doesn’t work. Just ask the Pilgrims. Most Americans are familiar with the story of the Puritans landing at Plymouth Rock in 1620, but few perhaps understand their early experiment with socialism and how its failure led them to embrace individual-driven capitalism...

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“Today we would call this a socialist commune,” Patton wrote. “In other words, the Pilgrims accepted the socialist principle, ‘from each according to his ability, to each according to his need.’ Each person was to place his production into the common warehouse and receive back, through the Governor, only what he needed for himself or his family. The surplus after seven years was to be divided equally, along with the houses, lands, and chattels, ‘betwixt the Adventurers and Planters.’”

The Pilgrims actually wanted to own their own lands and homes and to work two days a week for their own gain, but the adventurers would not allow it.

Once the agreement was signed, two ships were outfitted for the journey, the Speedwell and the Mayflower. But the Speedwell proved unseaworthy, so everyone still willing to make the journey—102 persons—crowded aboard the Mayflower and set sail.

Patton wrote that after landing on Dec 21, 1620, the Pilgrims suffered horribly their first winter, with around half the colonists perishing. Aid from the now-famous native, Squanto, helped them survive with new planting techniques, but the harvests of 1621 and 1622 were still small.

The colony’s governor, William Bradford, wrote that its socialist philosophy greatly hindered its growth: Young men resented working for the benefit of other men’s wives and children without compensation; healthy men who worked thought it unjust that they received no more food than weak men who could not; wives resented doing household chores for other men, considering it a kind of slavery.

Governor Bradford wrote that to avoid famine in 1623, the Pilgrims abandoned socialism, Patton said.

“At length, after much debate of things, the Governor (with the advice of the chiefest amongst them) gave way that they should set corn every man for his own particular, and in that regard trust to themselves; in all other things to go on in the general way as before. And so assigned to every family a parcel of land,” Bradford wrote.

The colonists, each of whom now had to grow their own food, suddenly became very industrious, with women and children who earlier claimed weakness now going into the fields to plant corn. Three times the amount of corn was planted that year under the new system.

When a drought threatened the year’s harvest, Governor Bradford called a day of fasting and prayer to “seek the Lord by humble and fervent prayer in this great distress.” God answered that same night with rain that continued in coming days, and the year brought a plentiful harvest.

“By the fall of 1624, the colonists were able to export a full boat load of corn!” Patton wrote. “And the Pilgrims settled with the Adventurers. They purchased the Adventurers stock in the colony and completed the transition to private property and free markets.” "

 

[verker]

U.S.S.R. inception each on hundred year then however US encounter neer the Union.

 

[22orchards]

communism is better than capitalism.
debate me using facts and not ad hominems.

Self will capitalism in US than the East policy communism.

communism is better than capitalism.

No because capitalism is better in Canada, US, Brazil and Europe.

And Canada heavy capitalism of the world.

And two leading conservative party in 2019 election sprint.

And hence the conservative party won Canadian election's.

i'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

 

[22orchards]

communism is better than capitalism.
debate me using facts and not ad hominems.

TROLL^^^

nah capitalism sucks ass

only for lazy people,,,

now communism will kill your ass dead,,,

I'd rather have my ass sucked than killed,,,

where's your evidence that communism would kill my ass dead

want to take that risk, that you could be one of the many?
View attachment 412050

i'd love to

 

[22orchards]

communism is better than capitalism.
debate me using facts and not ad hominems.

First one has to define ones terms. Communism is NOT a stateless, moneyless, egalitarian, society where the workers own the means of production. Communism is a political ideology which attempts to move towards that utopian society. Which means so long as one is following the prescribed ideology one is a communist and lives within a communist society.

This is why modern communists foolishly claim that the USSR and China and Cuba and any other communist nation are not true communist nations. They are communist nations stuck under the dictatprship of the proletariate.

Marx himself stated that the dictatorship of the proletariate would be necessary to work towards the goal. He specified that no one can know how long the dictatorship will last but that it would last as long as it needs to. Which of course cdan easily mean thousands of years. But as long as that dictatorship claims that they will one day achieve the class less egalitarian society and then the state will whither away and die then that brutal despotic relationship is in fact a communist government. Just skip over the fact but do not forget that NO government just whithers away and dies because they are no longer needed and no government ever will do that.

Make no mistake Marx also stated that said dictatorship would be despotic and that said despotism would be necessary along with violent terror to exterminate the reactionaries. Which means anyone who disagrees. Modern communists ignore this because they lie endlessly claiming that the dictatorship of the proletariate does not mean a literal dictatorship. When in fact that is precisely what Marx meant. Tyrannical, bloodthirsty, brutal, genocidal, dictatorship. Which is precisely what every communist government is.

In contrast capitalism does not rely on such burtality but instead relies on respect and peace. When you want something and pay for it it is a peaceful sign of respect that you and the person selling it are exchanging value for value and no one is taking from another by force. Communism demands such force be applied because people do not ever and never will be inclined to just give all that they are capable of giving to others for nothing. This is why " From each according to his ability and to each according to his need " is a description of the ideal communist world AND a description of slavery. Communism and slavery are one and the same. Slaves have their ability taken from them to benefit another while they are given just what they need. Sure slavery has existed in capitalist nations but was proven to be inneffecient and done away with. Communism simply enslaves EVERYONE and cannot exist without universal slavery.

So if you wish to argue communism is better start by explaining why hanging the words " of the proletariate" after the word dictator makes the dictatorship a good thing. Do not dodge and claim he meant something else. He meant dictatorship and it is absolutely mandatory to have that dictatorship after the revolution. Marx NEVER wrote anything to explain what he meant other than DESPOTISM under the dictatorship.

Then explain how communism is so much better without money which people use to engage in trade. Without it there is only theft and violence.

firstly: i loved reading your response, super well written, super well thought out, overall i liked it a lot.
secondly: i guess you and i had different interpretations of what i meant by communism. i meant the end goal, y'know, that utopia after all the horrible stuff marx described. when it comes to practicality, capitalism is definitely a lot easier than communism, it doesn't require any transitional period because we already exist in capitalism, right. my personal view (and this varies from person to person) is that ideally, to transition to communism, we would skip over the bloodshed by taking things slower, with a more libertarian socialist approach. with a more controlled transition, we could prevent unneeded deaths, as well as create a more thought out society. it's interesting that you use the term universal slavery, it makes me think of capitalism and how ultimately, we're all slaves to whoever has the most money (i.e. amazon, jeff bezos, elon musk, etc).

Why dont you go to Cuba, where you can try out your Communistic Utopian Dream for a few years, get back to me with your opinion then we can talk....


I knew a reporter like you, who ended up going there and report on what Communism is like, he came back a confirmed capitalist.

i'd love to

 

[verker]

communism is better than capitalism.
debate me using facts and not ad hominems.

Self will capitalism in US than the East policy communism.

communism is better than capitalism.

No because capitalism is better in Canada, US, Brazil and Europe.

And Canada heavy capitalism of the world.

And two leading conservative party in 2019 election sprint.

And hence the conservative party won Canadian election's.

i'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

Say to lyrics cum debate????

 

[verker]

US Constitution does not make any mention about "communism is better than capitalism." So, debate your soiled, stained paintez that your mother is going to wash tomorrow morning.

Constitution of the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

the idea is that communism would work better than the constitution and i couldn't really find another place to post this. also quit using ad hominems, they make your point look invalid.

the constitution has lasted 230yr,,, no communist country has made it 75 yrs,,,

no communist country has ever existed.

OH I forgot youre not that educated,,,

wait a minute,,, how can you say its better of its never existed before???

because the idea of communism is still well explored. by that mentality, innovation is impossible and should be ridiculed.

Mainly because it doesn't work , human beings don't operate the way communism says it works. Sorry.

then you tell me, how does communism work?

Communist's lies to the right even in massacre in Vietnam conflicts.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

communism is better than capitalism.
debate me using facts and not ad hominems.

First one has to define ones terms. Communism is NOT a stateless, moneyless, egalitarian, society where the workers own the means of production. Communism is a political ideology which attempts to move towards that utopian society. Which means so long as one is following the prescribed ideology one is a communist and lives within a communist society.

This is why modern communists foolishly claim that the USSR and China and Cuba and any other communist nation are not true communist nations. They are communist nations stuck under the dictatprship of the proletariate.

Marx himself stated that the dictatorship of the proletariate would be necessary to work towards the goal. He specified that no one can know how long the dictatorship will last but that it would last as long as it needs to. Which of course cdan easily mean thousands of years. But as long as that dictatorship claims that they will one day achieve the class less egalitarian society and then the state will whither away and die then that brutal despotic relationship is in fact a communist government. Just skip over the fact but do not forget that NO government just whithers away and dies because they are no longer needed and no government ever will do that.

Make no mistake Marx also stated that said dictatorship would be despotic and that said despotism would be necessary along with violent terror to exterminate the reactionaries. Which means anyone who disagrees. Modern communists ignore this because they lie endlessly claiming that the dictatorship of the proletariate does not mean a literal dictatorship. When in fact that is precisely what Marx meant. Tyrannical, bloodthirsty, brutal, genocidal, dictatorship. Which is precisely what every communist government is.

In contrast capitalism does not rely on such burtality but instead relies on respect and peace. When you want something and pay for it it is a peaceful sign of respect that you and the person selling it are exchanging value for value and no one is taking from another by force. Communism demands such force be applied because people do not ever and never will be inclined to just give all that they are capable of giving to others for nothing. This is why " From each according to his ability and to each according to his need " is a description of the ideal communist world AND a description of slavery. Communism and slavery are one and the same. Slaves have their ability taken from them to benefit another while they are given just what they need. Sure slavery has existed in capitalist nations but was proven to be inneffecient and done away with. Communism simply enslaves EVERYONE and cannot exist without universal slavery.

So if you wish to argue communism is better start by explaining why hanging the words " of the proletariate" after the word dictator makes the dictatorship a good thing. Do not dodge and claim he meant something else. He meant dictatorship and it is absolutely mandatory to have that dictatorship after the revolution. Marx NEVER wrote anything to explain what he meant other than DESPOTISM under the dictatorship.

Then explain how communism is so much better without money which people use to engage in trade. Without it there is only theft and violence.

firstly: i loved reading your response, super well written, super well thought out, overall i liked it a lot.
secondly: i guess you and i had different interpretations of what i meant by communism. i meant the end goal, y'know, that utopia after all the horrible stuff marx described. when it comes to practicality, capitalism is definitely a lot easier than communism, it doesn't require any transitional period because we already exist in capitalism, right. my personal view (and this varies from person to person) is that ideally, to transition to communism, we would skip over the bloodshed by taking things slower, with a more libertarian socialist approach. with a more controlled transition, we could prevent unneeded deaths, as well as create a more thought out society. it's interesting that you use the term universal slavery, it makes me think of capitalism and how ultimately, we're all slaves to whoever has the most money (i.e. amazon, jeff bezos, elon musk, etc).

Why dont you go to Cuba, where you can try out your Communistic Utopian Dream for a few years, get back to me with your opinion then we can talk....


I knew a reporter like you, who ended up going there and report on what Communism is like, he came back a confirmed capitalist.

i'd love to

If you dont mind me asking, What skills do you have that makes you a valuable asset to society?

 

[verker]

US Constitution does not make any mention about "communism is better than capitalism." So, debate your soiled, stained paintez that your mother is going to wash tomorrow morning.

Constitution of the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

the idea is that communism would work better than the constitution and i couldn't really find another place to post this. also quit using ad hominems, they make your point look invalid.

the constitution has lasted 230yr,,, no communist country has made it 75 yrs,,,

no communist country has ever existed.

The are idiot thou feel off Cuba.

 

[Soupnazi630]

communism is better than capitalism.
debate me using facts and not ad hominems.

First one has to define ones terms. Communism is NOT a stateless, moneyless, egalitarian, society where the workers own the means of production. Communism is a political ideology which attempts to move towards that utopian society. Which means so long as one is following the prescribed ideology one is a communist and lives within a communist society.

This is why modern communists foolishly claim that the USSR and China and Cuba and any other communist nation are not true communist nations. They are communist nations stuck under the dictatprship of the proletariate.

Marx himself stated that the dictatorship of the proletariate would be necessary to work towards the goal. He specified that no one can know how long the dictatorship will last but that it would last as long as it needs to. Which of course cdan easily mean thousands of years. But as long as that dictatorship claims that they will one day achieve the class less egalitarian society and then the state will whither away and die then that brutal despotic relationship is in fact a communist government. Just skip over the fact but do not forget that NO government just whithers away and dies because they are no longer needed and no government ever will do that.

Make no mistake Marx also stated that said dictatorship would be despotic and that said despotism would be necessary along with violent terror to exterminate the reactionaries. Which means anyone who disagrees. Modern communists ignore this because they lie endlessly claiming that the dictatorship of the proletariate does not mean a literal dictatorship. When in fact that is precisely what Marx meant. Tyrannical, bloodthirsty, brutal, genocidal, dictatorship. Which is precisely what every communist government is.

In contrast capitalism does not rely on such burtality but instead relies on respect and peace. When you want something and pay for it it is a peaceful sign of respect that you and the person selling it are exchanging value for value and no one is taking from another by force. Communism demands such force be applied because people do not ever and never will be inclined to just give all that they are capable of giving to others for nothing. This is why " From each according to his ability and to each according to his need " is a description of the ideal communist world AND a description of slavery. Communism and slavery are one and the same. Slaves have their ability taken from them to benefit another while they are given just what they need. Sure slavery has existed in capitalist nations but was proven to be inneffecient and done away with. Communism simply enslaves EVERYONE and cannot exist without universal slavery.

So if you wish to argue communism is better start by explaining why hanging the words " of the proletariate" after the word dictator makes the dictatorship a good thing. Do not dodge and claim he meant something else. He meant dictatorship and it is absolutely mandatory to have that dictatorship after the revolution. Marx NEVER wrote anything to explain what he meant other than DESPOTISM under the dictatorship.

Then explain how communism is so much better without money which people use to engage in trade. Without it there is only theft and violence.

firstly: i loved reading your response, super well written, super well thought out, overall i liked it a lot.
secondly: i guess you and i had different interpretations of what i meant by communism. i meant the end goal, y'know, that utopia after all the horrible stuff marx described. when it comes to practicality, capitalism is definitely a lot easier than communism, it doesn't require any transitional period because we already exist in capitalism, right. my personal view (and this varies from person to person) is that ideally, to transition to communism, we would skip over the bloodshed by taking things slower, with a more libertarian socialist approach. with a more controlled transition, we could prevent unneeded deaths, as well as create a more thought out society. it's interesting that you use the term universal slavery, it makes me think of capitalism and how ultimately, we're all slaves to whoever has the most money (i.e. amazon, jeff bezos, elon musk, etc).

Why dont you go to Cuba, where you can try out your Communistic Utopian Dream for a few years, get back to me with your opinion then we can talk....


I knew a reporter like you, who ended up going there and report on what Communism is like, he came back a confirmed capitalist.

i'd love to

why are you still here?

 

[Soupnazi630]

communism is better than capitalism.
debate me using facts and not ad hominems.

TROLL^^^

nah capitalism sucks ass

only for lazy people,,,

now communism will kill your ass dead,,,

I'd rather have my ass sucked than killed,,,

where's your evidence that communism would kill my ass dead

want to take that risk, that you could be one of the many?
View attachment 412050

i'd love to

So your ok with mass murder to achieve your ends

Now you know why communism is evil

 

[daveman]

This has has to be a joke, Communism collapsed like dark matter on itself because all things being equal: It was overrun with demagogues. Like the American Democratic party supporting race riots and the BLM.

no country has existed under communism. stop using ad hominems. they make your argument look weaker than it is because you have to employ the use of pathos in a decidedly logos-fueled debate.

did you forget communism is a form of capitalism???,,, just a smaller group of people keep the profits,,,

communism exists under the idea that there is no capital, no money, no class, no private property, and that the people own the means of production.

Fool, communism is a hyper class centric system of government. A dictatorship of the proletariat composed of a few hedonists controls EVERYTHING while the actual proletariat starve and fucking die if they don't worship the party line. The people own nothing. Open a book and read it.

you described capitalism. a dictatorship of the people who own production (it's called the bourgoise by the way), that stand upon the efforts of the working class (the proletariat), who are unable to live how they like because if they don't, they won't have enough money to survive.

Lemme guess...you really don't want to have to get a job.

i have one

Uh huh.

 

[DGS49]

"Communism" is a form of socialism. Socialism is a form of government in which the Sovereign owns all of the means of production (factories, farms, hospitals, mills, mines, etc.), the workers all work for the Sovereign, and the Sovereign distributes goods and services according to the Sovereign's view of who needs what. This is why stores in socialist countries are either empty or filled with shit that nobody actually needs or wants. Regardless of which term you use, it is based on THEFT. The Sovereign steals the property of the People and steals the products of their labor, then passes it out according to the whims of bureaucrats. Which is why workers in those countries have the worst productivity in the world.

While the U.S. founding documents - the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution - do not mention "capitalism" by name, they presume private ownership of property and a God-given right to pursue happiness - which is to say, to prosper, economically. So they foster the OPPOSITE of socialism, which happens to be capitalism.

The Federal Government is a government of strictly limited powers - at least theoretically - and those powers are to be exercised for the common good, as defined in Article I, Section 8. (U.S. Constitution - Article 1 Section 8 - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net). All of the benefits bestowed by the Federal government are PUBLIC benefits - the post office, the banking system, the armed forces, the patent and copyright office, and so on - no private benefits.

There is not a single power granted to Congress that envisions Federal taxpayer money going into the pocket of any individual or corporate entity...ever. No welfare, no housing subsidies, no college grants or Small Business grants, no farm subsidies, no food stamps...none of that.

And to be political for a moment, this is why the Left is petrified of having an "Originalist" Supreme Court. Almost half of all Congressional spending is unconstitutional. The government spending that (mainly) Leftists rely upon to buy votes is a figurative House of Cards, that could be toppled in a moment if the right case were to come before a "Conservative" Supreme Court.

 

[verker]

Either communism and socialism is communism these too marxism and leftism so it is ...

 

[verker]

Everybody black assert how Hitler is the evil politician harm he blubber according to mama decease.

 

[verker]

The silly Marxist left are familiar with this techno song it is the Marxist left's modern music they did not dance to the song because the Marxist left is not too rigid in their body rhythm the Marxist left like football more than hockey I think I know their faith and their faith too communism and socialism and all of them are against the metal music of western culture and they want to meet us and the US in the military.