Communist California to require Solar Panels on all new homes

[Dschrute3]

California is in rapid steep decline. Only Communists/Democrats could kill that Golden Goose. Folks out there better start seriously reconsidering supporting the Communists.

California made great wealth up until about the 1990s. Then the Liberals and Illegals started to rob the wealth.

Now they have tremendous poverty, an out of control welfare state, significant government oppression and are a half trillion in debt.

With the Democrats in so much power it will get much worse.

Socialism only works until they run out of the wealth that was created under capitalism. California is a great example of that.

Well said. It now leads the nation in poverty. The Communists are killing the Middle Class out there. They're leaving in droves. If you're very rich or very poor, you're welcome in California. Middle Class folks are no longer welcome. And that's gonna lead to its demise. Without that massive tax revenue, the state will collapse. It'll be Venezuela. But hey, the folks wanted Communist-rule. It is what it is.

Trump ran on a platform to make America great again.

The Democrats run on a platform to make America like Venezuela.

Ha, yup.

 

[Dschrute3]

Solar does have its place.

Lots of places.

Places where a tie to the grid would be hugely expensive or downright impossible. And then not just solar but also a backup wind machine and enough batteries to get through a week or two with clouds and no wind.

I know because I have installed several such systems.

Here's my ride home arriving.

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Solar panels are on the south-facing slope of the roof. Wind machine would be off screen to the left. Would be but since the trip was to find out why it wasn't working - the blades had flown off - there wouldn't be much to see. In the building are 36 batteries of the sort used to start bulldozers.

Cool, you're free to use solar panels. But you're not free to force them on Citizens. That's what you Communists/Democrats can't grasp. Have all the solar panels you want, but leave the rest of us alone.

 

[otto105]

No more free choice. They decide, you kneel.

Fortune: California to Require Solar Panels for All New Homes

Can you post which communist country has required solar panels before Liberal California did.

 

[Dschrute3]

Another Government abuse of power. Go figure? In Communist California?

 

[Flash]

Solar does have its place.

Lots of places.

Places where a tie to the grid would be hugely expensive or downright impossible. And then not just solar but also a backup wind machine and enough batteries to get through a week or two with clouds and no wind.

I know because I have installed several such systems.

Here's my ride home arriving.

View attachment 192942

Solar panels are on the south-facing slope of the roof. Wind machine would be off screen to the left. Would be but since the trip was to find out why it wasn't working - the blades had flown off - there wouldn't be much to see. In the building are 36 batteries of the sort used to start bulldozers.

As an Environmental Engineer there were a few projects where I had to put in remote monitoring facilities. We needed electricity to operate the monitoring devices and transmit the data elsewhere.

Commercial grade solar was always a bust. Never worked like we were told by the vendors. In three of the four projects we went ahead and spent a lot of money to run electric lines from good distances away.

Solar is good for calculators. Low level solar collectors to heat a pool in the South or Southwest. Not much good otherwise.

It is only a Moon Bat's wet dream.

 

[Dschrute3]

Solar does have its place.

Lots of places.

Places where a tie to the grid would be hugely expensive or downright impossible. And then not just solar but also a backup wind machine and enough batteries to get through a week or two with clouds and no wind.

I know because I have installed several such systems.

Here's my ride home arriving.

View attachment 192942

Solar panels are on the south-facing slope of the roof. Wind machine would be off screen to the left. Would be but since the trip was to find out why it wasn't working - the blades had flown off - there wouldn't be much to see. In the building are 36 batteries of the sort used to start bulldozers.

As an Environmental Engineer there were a few projects where I had to put in remote monitoring facilities. We needed electricity to operate the monitoring devices and transmit the data elsewhere.

Commercial grade solar was always a bust. Never worked like we were told by the vendors. In three of the four projects we went ahead and spent a lot of money to run electric lines from good distances away.

Solar is good for calculators. Low level solar collectors to heat a pool in the South or Southwest. Not much good otherwise.

It is only a Moon Bat's wet dream.

Yeah if it's such a 'great idea', why do Communists/Democrats have to force it on Citizens. If it was so great, they wouldn't need to use Government force. They would let the People be allowed to decide whether or not they want them.

 

[Markle]

These are not some theoretical calculations, these are actual numbers for the system already on my roof. How the hell can you say "it's not"?

And I didn't say 2 years, I said 2-3 years. System produces annualy about 10000 KWh at ~21-22 cents per kWh in NYC over that period, so that is $2200 savings a year, so it will take ~2.7 years to make $6000 worth of electricity.

Please provide an unbiased, reliable source stating that a 2,500 square foot home, in California can be provided with all their electrical needs with a system costing $10,000. or less.

Here is what I found quickly. Basically, it says you are lying.

1. HowStuffWorks
   
2. Home & Garden
   
3. Green Living

How many solar cells would I need in order to provide all of the electricity that my house needs?

[...]

The first question is actually pretty interesting, so let's work on it.

A "typical home" in America can use either electricity or gas to provide heat -- heat for the house, the hot water, the clothes dryer and the stove/oven. If you were to power a house with solar electricity, you would certainly use gas appliances because solar electricity is so expensive. This means that what you would be powering with solar electricity are things like the refrigerator, the lights, the computer, the TV, stereo equipment, motors in things like furnace fans and the washer, etc. Let's say that all of those things average out to 600 watts on average. Over the course of 24 hours, you need 600 watts * 24 hours = 14,400 watt-hours per day.

From our calculations and assumptions above, we know that a solar panel can generate 70 milliwatts per square inch * 5 hours = 350 milliwatt hours per day. Therefore you need about 41,000 square inches of solar panel for the house. That's a solar panel that measures about 285 square feet (about 26 square meters). That would cost around $16,000 right now. Then, because the sun only shines part of the time, you would need to purchase a battery bank, an inverter, etc., and that often doubles the cost of the installation.

If you want to have a small room air conditioner in your bedroom, double everything.

Because solar electricity is so expensive, you would normally go to great lengths to reduce your electricity consumption. Instead of a desktop computer and a monitor you would use a laptop computer. You would use fluorescent lights instead of incandescent. You would use a small B&W TV instead of a large color set. You would get a small, extremely efficient refrigerator. By doing these things you might be able to reduce your average power consumption to 100 watts. This would cut the size of your solar panel and its cost by a factor of 6, and this might bring it into the realm of possibility.

The thing to remember, however, is that 100 watts per hour purchased from the power grid would only cost about 24 cents a day right now, or $91 a year. That's why you don't see many solar houses unless they are in very remote locations. When it only costs about $100 a year to purchase power from the grid, it is hard to justify spending thousands of dollars on a solar system.

[...]

How many solar cells would I need in order to provide all of the electricity that my house needs?

 

[Flash]

Solar does have its place.

Lots of places.

Places where a tie to the grid would be hugely expensive or downright impossible. And then not just solar but also a backup wind machine and enough batteries to get through a week or two with clouds and no wind.

I know because I have installed several such systems.

Here's my ride home arriving.

View attachment 192942

Solar panels are on the south-facing slope of the roof. Wind machine would be off screen to the left. Would be but since the trip was to find out why it wasn't working - the blades had flown off - there wouldn't be much to see. In the building are 36 batteries of the sort used to start bulldozers.

As an Environmental Engineer there were a few projects where I had to put in remote monitoring facilities. We needed electricity to operate the monitoring devices and transmit the data elsewhere.

Commercial grade solar was always a bust. Never worked like we were told by the vendors. In three of the four projects we went ahead and spent a lot of money to run electric lines from good distances away.

Solar is good for calculators. Low level solar collectors to heat a pool in the South or Southwest. Not much good otherwise.

It is only a Moon Bat's wet dream.

Yeah if it's such a 'great idea', why do Communists/Democrats have to force it on Citizens. If it was so great, they wouldn't need to use Government force. The People would be allowed to decide whether or not they want them.

Solar can't compete with fossil fuels.

These stupid Moon Bats don't seem to understand the significance of that.

 

[eagle1462010]

No more free choice. They decide, you kneel.

Fortune: California to Require Solar Panels for All New Homes

Do not be so afraid to save the earth.

We are trying to safe it from you.

 

[Markle]

self regulation by the mortgage industry was a miraculous success.

Your ignorance on this topic is impressive as are your other specialties.

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were MANDATED by regulations issued by Congress, led by Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, to increase the percentage of SUB-PRIME loans in their portfolio.

 

[Political Junky]

Solar does have its place.

Lots of places.

Places where a tie to the grid would be hugely expensive or downright impossible. And then not just solar but also a backup wind machine and enough batteries to get through a week or two with clouds and no wind.

I know because I have installed several such systems.

Here's my ride home arriving.

View attachment 192942

Solar panels are on the south-facing slope of the roof. Wind machine would be off screen to the left. Would be but since the trip was to find out why it wasn't working - the blades had flown off - there wouldn't be much to see. In the building are 36 batteries of the sort used to start bulldozers.

As an Environmental Engineer there were a few projects where I had to put in remote monitoring facilities. We needed electricity to operate the monitoring devices and transmit the data elsewhere.

Commercial grade solar was always a bust. Never worked like we were told by the vendors. In three of the four projects we went ahead and spent a lot of money to run electric lines from good distances away.

Solar is good for calculators. Low level solar collectors to heat a pool in the South or Southwest. Not much good otherwise.

It is only a Moon Bat's wet dream.

Yeah if it's such a 'great idea', why do Communists/Democrats have to force it on Citizens. If it was so great, they wouldn't need to use Government force. The People would be allowed to decide whether or not they want them.

Solar can't compete with fossil fuels.

These stupid Moon Bats don't seem to understand the significance of that.

^^ Bullshit
BTW, EXXON is researching the use of algae to run cars.

 

[Markle]

NO one can reasonably deny the fact the air conditioning has extended the lives of millions of people, especially the elderly.

We moved from Chicago to Miami Florida in 1955. No air conditioning units much central air conditioning. We had a single wall gas heater in the hall.

Years later, my folks put in a large wall air conditioning unit at great expense. No government check or tax allowance or whatever. Today I live in the Florida Panhandle, Tallahassee and have been a Realtor for over forty years. During that time, I cannot recall any new home being built without central air and heat. Mostly electric.

There is no state or local mandate that any home has air conditioning yet, all of them do. Why is that the case? The additional cost of HVAC is at least $10,000 per house, regardless of size. DEMAND requires that HVAC be installed in every new house and people pay the full freight to have it installed in much older homes that may not have been refurbished.

IF there was a demand for solar power, every house would already have it and no taxpayer money would be required.

 

[Flash]

Solar does have its place.

Lots of places.

Places where a tie to the grid would be hugely expensive or downright impossible. And then not just solar but also a backup wind machine and enough batteries to get through a week or two with clouds and no wind.

I know because I have installed several such systems.

Here's my ride home arriving.

View attachment 192942

Solar panels are on the south-facing slope of the roof. Wind machine would be off screen to the left. Would be but since the trip was to find out why it wasn't working - the blades had flown off - there wouldn't be much to see. In the building are 36 batteries of the sort used to start bulldozers.

As an Environmental Engineer there were a few projects where I had to put in remote monitoring facilities. We needed electricity to operate the monitoring devices and transmit the data elsewhere.

Commercial grade solar was always a bust. Never worked like we were told by the vendors. In three of the four projects we went ahead and spent a lot of money to run electric lines from good distances away.

Solar is good for calculators. Low level solar collectors to heat a pool in the South or Southwest. Not much good otherwise.

It is only a Moon Bat's wet dream.

Yeah if it's such a 'great idea', why do Communists/Democrats have to force it on Citizens. If it was so great, they wouldn't need to use Government force. The People would be allowed to decide whether or not they want them.

Solar can't compete with fossil fuels.

These stupid Moon Bats don't seem to understand the significance of that.

^^ Bullshit
BTW, EXXON is researching the use of algae to run cars.

Probably got some stupid EPA grant to do it.

Industry takes advantage of Uncle Sugar all the time.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

No, I'm saying that everything that goes into new construction is required. Why is this any different and why do you care?

Because for the most part, building codes and regulation are there for a purpose. For one, if you hired a company to build your house, and they are building it the wrong way or in a way that presents a danger to you and others, it's perfectly understandable. You also don't want to get ripped off by them installing something that will cost you a fortune to fix down the road. Those regulations also help protect the buyer of your home if you sell it.

Solar panels? Such regulations are not protecting anybody. So why solar panels? Because environment is a leftist obsession, and we shouldn't allow anybody to write laws based on their personal hangups. If you want to spend the money to save the world, go right ahead. But don't write laws to force me to do the same especially if my political view resents the global warming hoax.

This regulation is there for a purpose whether you acknowledge that or not.

This means that going foreward, new housing will not require any large upscaling of centralized power production. Fewer production facilities running for fewer hours a day. Simpler, more localized and efficient transmission infrasructure. Excess will be put back into the grid and used locally in real time. If you can't see the benefit of that going foreward, then you aren't trying to.
Lastly, less dependency on a huge, outdated and inefficient power grid and transmission system is far better for national security.

Why do you care where the power comes from as long as it works when you flip the switch?

I don't care where it comes from as long as it doesn't cost me or I'm forced where to get it from. It's one thing when Democrats control things and spend our tax money the way they want, but it's quite another to burden individuals with mandated excessive costs for Democrat obsessions.

I think government is too big as it is, and that goes for federal, state, county and even city. The less government in my life, the better. I don't want government telling me what kind of power I must have for my utilities, how good of windows I must buy, how good of insulation I must have in my home, or how much power I'm allowed to use. It's none of their damn business.

Progress costs.
Cars cost more than buggys.
Smartphones cost more than the kitchen rotary dial.
MRIs cost more than leeches, etc.

The truth is, the more companies that manufacture and install solar, the lower the pricepoint.
It becomes cheaper every year.

In the future, the roofing material itself will be the photo voltaics.

And that's fine with me if people buy it on their own without taxpayers footing much of the bill. Also so they aren't forced to buy them.

Government didn't force people to buy cars, citiznes bought them because of it's advantages.
Government didn't force people to buy smart phones, people bought them freely because of their advantages.
Government didn't force anybody to get an MRI. People freely chose to get those for themselves.

The govt built the interstate highway system that made the market for cars boom.
The govt built or subsidized every bit of large infrastructure in this country, including the internet, which allowed for massive business expansion around them. The govt has always been the driver of progress.

 

[HenryBHough]

Cool, you're free to use solar panels. But you're not free to force them on Citizens. That's what you Communists/Democrats can't grasp. Have all the solar panels you want, but leave the rest of us alone.

Your display of failure at reading comprehension inspires sympathy.

 

[OnePercenter]

No more free choice. They decide, you kneel.

Fortune: California to Require Solar Panels for All New Homes

Let's see. It adds $20.00/month to the mortgage costs but saves $100.00/mo in energy cost. What's the problem?

 

[OnePercenter]

Slippery slope?

They let the homeless shit in the streets. Now THAT'S a slippery slope!

We have homeless due to Republicans and Corporate America.

 

[OnePercenter]

Hey, you get what you vote for. How long now have Californians been electing these clowns to run their state? Home prices are already some of the highest in the country. The middle class is being priced out. The state has had a net loss of 1,000,000 residents over the past decade, mostly due to the cost of housing. This will only accelerate it.

Democrats talk a good game about helping the poor, but when you look at what they actually do they cater to special interest groups first and foremost and hurt the poor as a result. They've been turning the state into a banana republic for a long time.

Netting $80.00/mo. is somehow bad?

 

[OnePercenter]

Hey, you get what you vote for. How long now have Californians been electing these clowns to run their state? Home prices are already some of the highest in the country. The middle class is being priced out. The state has had a net loss of 1,000,000 residents over the past decade, mostly due to the cost of housing. This will only accelerate it.

Democrats talk a good game about helping the poor, but when you look at what they actually do they cater to special interest groups first and foremost and hurt the poor as a result. They've been turning the state into a banana republic for a long time.

The FEUDAL SYSTEM. No middle class. The rich and the thoroughly screwed.

It should be re-named THE REPUBLICAN NAZI SYSTEM!

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Because for the most part, building codes and regulation are there for a purpose. For one, if you hired a company to build your house, and they are building it the wrong way or in a way that presents a danger to you and others, it's perfectly understandable. You also don't want to get ripped off by them installing something that will cost you a fortune to fix down the road. Those regulations also help protect the buyer of your home if you sell it.

Solar panels? Such regulations are not protecting anybody. So why solar panels? Because environment is a leftist obsession, and we shouldn't allow anybody to write laws based on their personal hangups. If you want to spend the money to save the world, go right ahead. But don't write laws to force me to do the same especially if my political view resents the global warming hoax.

This regulation is there for a purpose whether you acknowledge that or not.

This means that going foreward, new housing will not require any large upscaling of centralized power production. Fewer production facilities running for fewer hours a day. Simpler, more localized and efficient transmission infrasructure. Excess will be put back into the grid and used locally in real time. If you can't see the benefit of that going foreward, then you aren't trying to.
Lastly, less dependency on a huge, outdated and inefficient power grid and transmission system is far better for national security.

Why do you care where the power comes from as long as it works when you flip the switch?

I don't care where it comes from as long as it doesn't cost me or I'm forced where to get it from. It's one thing when Democrats control things and spend our tax money the way they want, but it's quite another to burden individuals with mandated excessive costs for Democrat obsessions.

I think government is too big as it is, and that goes for federal, state, county and even city. The less government in my life, the better. I don't want government telling me what kind of power I must have for my utilities, how good of windows I must buy, how good of insulation I must have in my home, or how much power I'm allowed to use. It's none of their damn business.

Progress costs.
Cars cost more than buggys.
Smartphones cost more than the kitchen rotary dial.
MRIs cost more than leeches, etc.

The truth is, the more companies that manufacture and install solar, the lower the pricepoint.
It becomes cheaper every year.

In the future, the roofing material itself will be the photo voltaics.

And that's fine with me if people buy it on their own without taxpayers footing much of the bill. Also so they aren't forced to buy them.

Government didn't force people to buy cars, citiznes bought them because of it's advantages.
Government didn't force people to buy smart phones, people bought them freely because of their advantages.
Government didn't force anybody to get an MRI. People freely chose to get those for themselves.

The govt built the interstate highway system that made the market for cars boom.
The govt built or subsidized every bit of large infrastructure in this country, including the internet, which allowed for massive business expansion around them. The govt has always been the driver of progress.

Why is this funny eagle?

Vegas is becoming one of the largest metropolitan areas in America. It exists because of what govt financed infrastructure project?