Communist California to require Solar Panels on all new homes

[Billo_Really]

I'm not sure if they went through with it or not, but didn't CA want to mandate GPS's on cars so they could track your milage? With more and more people using electric cars over there, they needed a way to recoup money for the roads that was lost on less gasoline purchases.

Yes, that is true. But for someone like me, my cost will go down. It's a lot better than paying $60 to fill your tank.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Electricity is taxed, if the less people use the electric and start using solar the government will lose revenue and will find a way to make up the lost revenue. That is why they are raising the cost of tabs on electric cars, they lost fuel tax money, so they need to make up the short fall. The government is greedy that way.

You're forgetting the utility companies may just raise the price of their service, thus increasing the tax revenue. In addition, sustainable energy is one of the fastest growing industries. So there will be added revenue from an increased labor market.

I don't see how they can lose fuel tax when gas prices are on the rise.

You pay taxes on gasoline per gallon and not per dollar.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I'm not sure if they went through with it or not, but didn't CA want to mandate GPS's on cars so they could track your milage? With more and more people using electric cars over there, they needed a way to recoup money for the roads that was lost on less gasoline purchases.

Yes, that is true. But for someone like me, my cost will go down. It's a lot better than paying $60 to fill your tank.

So they are doing that now or they proposed it?

 

[Papageorgio]

Electricity is taxed, if the less people use the electric and start using solar the government will lose revenue and will find a way to make up the lost revenue. That is why they are raising the cost of tabs on electric cars, they lost fuel tax money, so they need to make up the short fall. The government is greedy that way.

You're forgetting the utility companies may just raise the price of their service, thus increasing the tax revenue. In addition, sustainable energy is one of the fastest growing industries. So there will be added revenue from an increased labor market.

I don't see how they can lose fuel tax when gas prices are on the rise.

The are already set in place the cost of tabs going up for electric cars only starting in 2020, they are already planning for lost revenue. Greedy government t will get their money from you one way or another.

 

[Billo_Really]

So they are doing that now or they proposed it?

I don't think its a law, yet.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Electricity is taxed, if the less people use the electric and start using solar the government will lose revenue and will find a way to make up the lost revenue. That is why they are raising the cost of tabs on electric cars, they lost fuel tax money, so they need to make up the short fall. The government is greedy that way.

You're forgetting the utility companies may just raise the price of their service, thus increasing the tax revenue. In addition, sustainable energy is one of the fastest growing industries. So there will be added revenue from an increased labor market.

I don't see how they can lose fuel tax when gas prices are on the rise.

The are already set in place the cost of tabs going up for electric cars only starting in 2020, they are already planning for lost revenue. Greedy government t will get their money from you one way or another.

Sure they will. In that sense, government is like private business. They're just going to find another way to get their money from ya.

 

[Billo_Really]

The are already set in place the cost of tabs going up for electric cars only starting in 2020, they are already planning for lost revenue. Greedy government t will get their money from you one way or another.

If you voted for Trump, don't talk to me about a greedy government.

 

[Billo_Really]

Sure they will. In that sense, government is like private business. They're just going to find another way to get their money from ya.

Are you guys going to beat Boston? Yes or no?

 

[Papageorgio]

The are already set in place the cost of tabs going up for electric cars only starting in 2020, they are already planning for lost revenue. Greedy government t will get their money from you one way or another.

If you voted for Trump, don't talk to me about a greedy government.

Then we can talk because I didn’t vote for Trump or Clinton both of them are just as bad as the other.

California is the epitome of greedy government, they want more money and increase fines and fees and taxes. That Californians are fed up with it shows how bright they are. The state continues to spend, continues to tax, continues to spend, continues to go deeper in debt, continues to spend and continues to tax. Maybe someone there will get a brain.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Sure they will. In that sense, government is like private business. They're just going to find another way to get their money from ya.

Are you guys going to beat Boston? Yes or no?

No, but we'll make a hell of a lot of money for the city.

 

[Litwin]

+1, California wants to be on the top of the electrical revolution , which is Great

Yes, they'll be broke but they'll be number one in something!

And we know how well that has worked out for Germany!

The United Kingdom Broke 13 Renewable Energy Records In 2017
www.greenmatters.com/renewables/.../united-kingdom-renewable-energy-records-201...
Dec 28, 2017 - The United Kingdom has been setting records in solar energy production throughout the year. It's no surprise to see that the area's power ...
Germany Breaks A Solar Record — Gets 85% Of Electricity From ...
Germany Breaks A Solar Record — Gets 85% Of Electricity From Renewables | CleanTechnica...
May 8, 2017 - On April 30, Germany established a new national record for renewable energy use. Part of that day (during the long May 1 weekend), 85% of all ...
Renewable Energy in the U.S. Broke Energy Records for the First Time
Renewable Energy in the U.S. Broke Energy Records for the First Time...
Jun 15, 2017 - Renewable energy sources, particularly solar and wind, have broken records in the U.S. electricity market. According to a report by the EIA, ...
Solar so good: 13 impressive green energy records broken ... - City AM
www.cityam.com/.../2017-record-year-green-energy-uk-heres-13-broken-wind-solar
Dec 28, 2017 - 2017 was a record year for green energy in the UK: Here's 13 broken by wind, solar, carbon and hydro. Share. Lynsey Barber. I'm City A.M.'s ..

The cost of electricity in Germany has become so high that many people are forced to do without. Electricity has become a luxury to many.

The average cost of electricity in the US is half that of Germany. Germany is unable to sustain these costs and are returning more and more to the use of coal.

Germany Renewable Energy Program Drives Up Costs
Germany comes in as a close second, with electricity prices of $0.19 per kilowatt hour. Due to this, it has been reported that the country has developed a program for increasing the contribution of electricity sourced from renewable sources to upwards of 80% by the calendar year 2050. During the first quarter of 2014, the country produced a record-setting 27% of its electricity via renewable sources, a result of both favorable weather and an increased capacity to utilize renewable energy within the country.

There are ramifications involved in Germany’s contemporary renewable energy program, including an instable electric grid, the burden being placed upon German households by increased costs for electricity, and the need for secure back-up power that is affordable and reliable. Currently, utility companies within the country are receiving payments from the grid as a measure of stabilizing a network that has been disrupted due to surges and falls in contributions from solar and wind power sources. Coal is being utilized in a heftier manner in order to back-up the renewable technologies (and their intermittent nature) while delivering a reliable base load of power, although at the risk of increasing emissions of carbon dioxide. The result has been German residents having to pay feed-in-tariffs in addition to high utility costs as a measure of subsidizing the renewable energy technologies.

Cost Of Electricity By Country

Lol 19 cents is what electricity costs in NY, USA currently (with a nuclear plant shutting down due to age soon this price is should be going up up up.)

Do you know how much a KWh your solar panels output costs you? ZERO.

LOL

The grid or offgrid system don't cost anything..........Oh........I'm sorry you got tax payers to buy it for you.

Cost of system......power produced over lifespan.........determines the actual cost per kwh.........which is NOT FREE.

You are wrong , its all for good for everyone

Solar power cost rapidly decreasing, chart shows - Business Insider
www.businessinsider.com/solar-power-cost-decrease-2018-5
5 days ago - The cost of solar power is decreasing so rapidly, it's actually ... One simple chart shows why an energy revolution is coming — and who is likely ...

 

[AntonToo]

+1, California wants to be on the top of the electrical revolution , which is Great

Yes, they'll be broke but they'll be number one in something!

And we know how well that has worked out for Germany!

The United Kingdom Broke 13 Renewable Energy Records In 2017
www.greenmatters.com/renewables/.../united-kingdom-renewable-energy-records-201...
Dec 28, 2017 - The United Kingdom has been setting records in solar energy production throughout the year. It's no surprise to see that the area's power ...
Germany Breaks A Solar Record — Gets 85% Of Electricity From ...
Germany Breaks A Solar Record — Gets 85% Of Electricity From Renewables | CleanTechnica...
May 8, 2017 - On April 30, Germany established a new national record for renewable energy use. Part of that day (during the long May 1 weekend), 85% of all ...
Renewable Energy in the U.S. Broke Energy Records for the First Time
Renewable Energy in the U.S. Broke Energy Records for the First Time...
Jun 15, 2017 - Renewable energy sources, particularly solar and wind, have broken records in the U.S. electricity market. According to a report by the EIA, ...
Solar so good: 13 impressive green energy records broken ... - City AM
www.cityam.com/.../2017-record-year-green-energy-uk-heres-13-broken-wind-solar
Dec 28, 2017 - 2017 was a record year for green energy in the UK: Here's 13 broken by wind, solar, carbon and hydro. Share. Lynsey Barber. I'm City A.M.'s ..

The cost of electricity in Germany has become so high that many people are forced to do without. Electricity has become a luxury to many.

The average cost of electricity in the US is half that of Germany. Germany is unable to sustain these costs and are returning more and more to the use of coal.

Germany Renewable Energy Program Drives Up Costs
Germany comes in as a close second, with electricity prices of $0.19 per kilowatt hour. Due to this, it has been reported that the country has developed a program for increasing the contribution of electricity sourced from renewable sources to upwards of 80% by the calendar year 2050. During the first quarter of 2014, the country produced a record-setting 27% of its electricity via renewable sources, a result of both favorable weather and an increased capacity to utilize renewable energy within the country.

There are ramifications involved in Germany’s contemporary renewable energy program, including an instable electric grid, the burden being placed upon German households by increased costs for electricity, and the need for secure back-up power that is affordable and reliable. Currently, utility companies within the country are receiving payments from the grid as a measure of stabilizing a network that has been disrupted due to surges and falls in contributions from solar and wind power sources. Coal is being utilized in a heftier manner in order to back-up the renewable technologies (and their intermittent nature) while delivering a reliable base load of power, although at the risk of increasing emissions of carbon dioxide. The result has been German residents having to pay feed-in-tariffs in addition to high utility costs as a measure of subsidizing the renewable energy technologies.

Cost Of Electricity By Country

Lol 19 cents is what electricity costs in NY, USA currently (with a nuclear plant shutting down due to age soon this price is should be going up up up.)

Do you know how much a KWh your solar panels output costs you? ZERO.

LOL

The grid or offgrid system don't cost anything..........Oh........I'm sorry you got tax payers to buy it for you.

Cost of system......power produced over lifespan.........determines the actual cost per kwh.........which is NOT FREE.

You didn't get the point - 19 kWh is maybe what it costs to buy off the grid but with those with solar production only a fraction of electricity comes form the grid.

 

[eagle1462010]

Yes, they'll be broke but they'll be number one in something!

And we know how well that has worked out for Germany!

The United Kingdom Broke 13 Renewable Energy Records In 2017
www.greenmatters.com/renewables/.../united-kingdom-renewable-energy-records-201...
Dec 28, 2017 - The United Kingdom has been setting records in solar energy production throughout the year. It's no surprise to see that the area's power ...
Germany Breaks A Solar Record — Gets 85% Of Electricity From ...
Germany Breaks A Solar Record — Gets 85% Of Electricity From Renewables | CleanTechnica...
May 8, 2017 - On April 30, Germany established a new national record for renewable energy use. Part of that day (during the long May 1 weekend), 85% of all ...
Renewable Energy in the U.S. Broke Energy Records for the First Time
Renewable Energy in the U.S. Broke Energy Records for the First Time...
Jun 15, 2017 - Renewable energy sources, particularly solar and wind, have broken records in the U.S. electricity market. According to a report by the EIA, ...
Solar so good: 13 impressive green energy records broken ... - City AM
www.cityam.com/.../2017-record-year-green-energy-uk-heres-13-broken-wind-solar
Dec 28, 2017 - 2017 was a record year for green energy in the UK: Here's 13 broken by wind, solar, carbon and hydro. Share. Lynsey Barber. I'm City A.M.'s ..

The cost of electricity in Germany has become so high that many people are forced to do without. Electricity has become a luxury to many.

The average cost of electricity in the US is half that of Germany. Germany is unable to sustain these costs and are returning more and more to the use of coal.

Germany Renewable Energy Program Drives Up Costs
Germany comes in as a close second, with electricity prices of $0.19 per kilowatt hour. Due to this, it has been reported that the country has developed a program for increasing the contribution of electricity sourced from renewable sources to upwards of 80% by the calendar year 2050. During the first quarter of 2014, the country produced a record-setting 27% of its electricity via renewable sources, a result of both favorable weather and an increased capacity to utilize renewable energy within the country.

There are ramifications involved in Germany’s contemporary renewable energy program, including an instable electric grid, the burden being placed upon German households by increased costs for electricity, and the need for secure back-up power that is affordable and reliable. Currently, utility companies within the country are receiving payments from the grid as a measure of stabilizing a network that has been disrupted due to surges and falls in contributions from solar and wind power sources. Coal is being utilized in a heftier manner in order to back-up the renewable technologies (and their intermittent nature) while delivering a reliable base load of power, although at the risk of increasing emissions of carbon dioxide. The result has been German residents having to pay feed-in-tariffs in addition to high utility costs as a measure of subsidizing the renewable energy technologies.

Cost Of Electricity By Country

Lol 19 cents is what electricity costs in NY, USA currently (with a nuclear plant shutting down due to age soon this price is should be going up up up.)

Do you know how much a KWh your solar panels output costs you? ZERO.

LOL

The grid or offgrid system don't cost anything..........Oh........I'm sorry you got tax payers to buy it for you.

Cost of system......power produced over lifespan.........determines the actual cost per kwh.........which is NOT FREE.

You didn't get the point - 19 kWh is maybe what it costs to buy off the grid but with those with solar production only a fraction of electricity comes form the grid.

I pay less than 12 cents.................And if other people weren't paying for your system..........the cost of over the lifetime of your grid would cost more than the 19 you posted.

 

[Markle]

All that "free" energy, Californians should be paying less than the national average, not 40% more.

We will.

Yeah, we can all see how well that plan is working for Germany and the rest of Europe.

 

[Markle]

Lol 19 cents is what electricity costs in NY, USA currently (with a nuclear plant shutting down due to age soon this price is should be going up up up.)

Do you know how much a KWh your solar panels output costs you? ZERO.

Wow, that's quite a deal. Someone voluntarily GAVE you all the solar panels you need for about 75 kwh, plus they installed them for free and provided all the control boxes as well, all for free. Other taxpayers didn't even have to chip in for you.

WHAT A DEAL!

 

[Markle]

You are wrong , its all for good for everyone

Solar power cost rapidly decreasing, chart shows - Business Insider
www.businessinsider.com/solar-power-cost-decrease-2018-5
5 days ago - The cost of solar power is decreasing so rapidly, it's actually ... One simple chart shows why an energy revolution is coming — and who is likely ...

It certainly isn't good for me if my tax dollars going from my pocket to your pocket to pay for your solar system while, at the same time, my cost per kWh is rising because they are producing less. While they are producing less and selling less, they still have to build and maintain the capacity to produce just as much so that if all the solar system are knocked out, the grid can still supply everyone's needs.

 

[Redfish]

The are already set in place the cost of tabs going up for electric cars only starting in 2020, they are already planning for lost revenue. Greedy government t will get their money from you one way or another.

If you voted for Trump, don't talk to me about a greedy government.

cutting taxes is greed? are you insane?

 

[Redfish]

Yes, they'll be broke but they'll be number one in something!

And we know how well that has worked out for Germany!

The United Kingdom Broke 13 Renewable Energy Records In 2017
www.greenmatters.com/renewables/.../united-kingdom-renewable-energy-records-201...
Dec 28, 2017 - The United Kingdom has been setting records in solar energy production throughout the year. It's no surprise to see that the area's power ...
Germany Breaks A Solar Record — Gets 85% Of Electricity From ...
Germany Breaks A Solar Record — Gets 85% Of Electricity From Renewables | CleanTechnica...
May 8, 2017 - On April 30, Germany established a new national record for renewable energy use. Part of that day (during the long May 1 weekend), 85% of all ...
Renewable Energy in the U.S. Broke Energy Records for the First Time
Renewable Energy in the U.S. Broke Energy Records for the First Time...
Jun 15, 2017 - Renewable energy sources, particularly solar and wind, have broken records in the U.S. electricity market. According to a report by the EIA, ...
Solar so good: 13 impressive green energy records broken ... - City AM
www.cityam.com/.../2017-record-year-green-energy-uk-heres-13-broken-wind-solar
Dec 28, 2017 - 2017 was a record year for green energy in the UK: Here's 13 broken by wind, solar, carbon and hydro. Share. Lynsey Barber. I'm City A.M.'s ..

The cost of electricity in Germany has become so high that many people are forced to do without. Electricity has become a luxury to many.

The average cost of electricity in the US is half that of Germany. Germany is unable to sustain these costs and are returning more and more to the use of coal.

Germany Renewable Energy Program Drives Up Costs
Germany comes in as a close second, with electricity prices of $0.19 per kilowatt hour. Due to this, it has been reported that the country has developed a program for increasing the contribution of electricity sourced from renewable sources to upwards of 80% by the calendar year 2050. During the first quarter of 2014, the country produced a record-setting 27% of its electricity via renewable sources, a result of both favorable weather and an increased capacity to utilize renewable energy within the country.

There are ramifications involved in Germany’s contemporary renewable energy program, including an instable electric grid, the burden being placed upon German households by increased costs for electricity, and the need for secure back-up power that is affordable and reliable. Currently, utility companies within the country are receiving payments from the grid as a measure of stabilizing a network that has been disrupted due to surges and falls in contributions from solar and wind power sources. Coal is being utilized in a heftier manner in order to back-up the renewable technologies (and their intermittent nature) while delivering a reliable base load of power, although at the risk of increasing emissions of carbon dioxide. The result has been German residents having to pay feed-in-tariffs in addition to high utility costs as a measure of subsidizing the renewable energy technologies.

Cost Of Electricity By Country

Lol 19 cents is what electricity costs in NY, USA currently (with a nuclear plant shutting down due to age soon this price is should be going up up up.)

Do you know how much a KWh your solar panels output costs you? ZERO.

LOL

The grid or offgrid system don't cost anything..........Oh........I'm sorry you got tax payers to buy it for you.

Cost of system......power produced over lifespan.........determines the actual cost per kwh.........which is NOT FREE.

You are wrong , its all for good for everyone

Solar power cost rapidly decreasing, chart shows - Business Insider
www.businessinsider.com/solar-power-cost-decrease-2018-5
5 days ago - The cost of solar power is decreasing so rapidly, it's actually ... One simple chart shows why an energy revolution is coming — and who is likely ...

if it was so good and so economical, there would be no need for government subsidies. some day it may be, but that day has not arrived yet, when it does private industry will take over due to the profit motive and everyone will benefit from competition and technological advances. Government involvement only delays that process.

 

[AntonToo]

The United Kingdom Broke 13 Renewable Energy Records In 2017
www.greenmatters.com/renewables/.../united-kingdom-renewable-energy-records-201...
Dec 28, 2017 - The United Kingdom has been setting records in solar energy production throughout the year. It's no surprise to see that the area's power ...
Germany Breaks A Solar Record — Gets 85% Of Electricity From ...
Germany Breaks A Solar Record — Gets 85% Of Electricity From Renewables | CleanTechnica...
May 8, 2017 - On April 30, Germany established a new national record for renewable energy use. Part of that day (during the long May 1 weekend), 85% of all ...
Renewable Energy in the U.S. Broke Energy Records for the First Time
Renewable Energy in the U.S. Broke Energy Records for the First Time...
Jun 15, 2017 - Renewable energy sources, particularly solar and wind, have broken records in the U.S. electricity market. According to a report by the EIA, ...
Solar so good: 13 impressive green energy records broken ... - City AM
www.cityam.com/.../2017-record-year-green-energy-uk-heres-13-broken-wind-solar
Dec 28, 2017 - 2017 was a record year for green energy in the UK: Here's 13 broken by wind, solar, carbon and hydro. Share. Lynsey Barber. I'm City A.M.'s ..

The cost of electricity in Germany has become so high that many people are forced to do without. Electricity has become a luxury to many.

The average cost of electricity in the US is half that of Germany. Germany is unable to sustain these costs and are returning more and more to the use of coal.

Germany Renewable Energy Program Drives Up Costs
Germany comes in as a close second, with electricity prices of $0.19 per kilowatt hour. Due to this, it has been reported that the country has developed a program for increasing the contribution of electricity sourced from renewable sources to upwards of 80% by the calendar year 2050. During the first quarter of 2014, the country produced a record-setting 27% of its electricity via renewable sources, a result of both favorable weather and an increased capacity to utilize renewable energy within the country.

There are ramifications involved in Germany’s contemporary renewable energy program, including an instable electric grid, the burden being placed upon German households by increased costs for electricity, and the need for secure back-up power that is affordable and reliable. Currently, utility companies within the country are receiving payments from the grid as a measure of stabilizing a network that has been disrupted due to surges and falls in contributions from solar and wind power sources. Coal is being utilized in a heftier manner in order to back-up the renewable technologies (and their intermittent nature) while delivering a reliable base load of power, although at the risk of increasing emissions of carbon dioxide. The result has been German residents having to pay feed-in-tariffs in addition to high utility costs as a measure of subsidizing the renewable energy technologies.

Cost Of Electricity By Country

Lol 19 cents is what electricity costs in NY, USA currently (with a nuclear plant shutting down due to age soon this price is should be going up up up.)

Do you know how much a KWh your solar panels output costs you? ZERO.

LOL

The grid or offgrid system don't cost anything..........Oh........I'm sorry you got tax payers to buy it for you.

Cost of system......power produced over lifespan.........determines the actual cost per kwh.........which is NOT FREE.

You didn't get the point - 19 kWh is maybe what it costs to buy off the grid but with those with solar production only a fraction of electricity comes form the grid.

I pay less than 12 cents.................And if other people weren't paying for your system..........the cost of over the lifetime of your grid would cost more than the 19 you posted.

You pay 12c...oook and? how does that help ares with more expesive electricity? Does it help people in NY that will pay 20 or Hawaii that pay 30?

I still pay monthly fee for the grid and "other people" (since when is me paying less taxes equates to OTHER PEOPLE?) pay for all kinds of things starting with expenses of making the grid black-out proof that solar energy realy helps with.

 

[AntonToo]

As you know, many Progressives erroneously consider tax deductions, available to any business, a subsidy, which it is not

PSST, let me clue you in - your conservatives pals here have spent many many posts arguing that the tax deductions I got for my solar system were SUBSIDIES and THATS why they were not self-financing like other tax-cuts.

I hope someone else other than you does your taxes. Because you are clueless.

Non-response as expected.

You really don't get it now do you................I think you finally admitted it's Subsidy. aka it's TAX CREDIT on TAXES..............

Big difference than a deduction..............LOL

I've ALWAYS counted it as a subsidy, LIKE ANY OTHER TAX-CUTS that someone has to pay for at some point.

Conservatives are the ones that keep making arguments of convinience because of all the tax-cut bullshit you've gotten used to eating up. I'm simply pointing out the contraditions.