Conservatives and Libertarians need to be allies

[Oddball]

I'm not the one with the democrat mind, Gomer....That would be you.

Same communistic bullshit...Only the (D) & (R) is different.

Why do you keep up the act?

Why do you project?

 

[kaz]

If you asked me how I would run a private shoe business you'd get the same answer: I don't have an answer.

The difference being that you aren't on message boards advocating running a private shoe business...

So, in other words, you admit that you haven't read much on anarchism, and yet you feel the need to express an opinion on its alleged deficiencies

Wrong again. I am asking ... you ... about what ... you ... are advocating. And every time in return I get the above in red. I got it, you advocate, you don't explain, you don't take questions.

 

[kaz]

So Kevin, maybe once you could address a situation with some content. You move into a mostly unpopulated valley. You claim about 50 acres of land. You farm half, have some you use for your home. The rest you keep as woods where you have a trail for walks and to get water from a stream a few hundred yards from your home. You and your neighbors live peacefully.

One day a group of people move in the valley and build a church. They're good people, leave you alone, you're fine. But the church keeps building and they need more and more land. Eventually they are at your border. Then in their quest for land they start cutting down your woods saying your home and farm land is yours, but the woods aren't. Then you can't get to the stream and they start charging you for access to water. Your neighbors build closer to the stream and keep to themselves.

Then the church starts to put out maps stating where farms are. They post at their buildings the process for claiming land and disputing people from taking yours, but you don't belong to their church and you don't want to be bothered with it.

They're good people, but they are following process and you're not. They're going to let you fight for your land through their system, but you lose they will enforce their decisions with guns, and they at this point have hundreds of armed people keeping their laws. Your 50 acres is down to 25 and shrinking.

I say you're shit out of luck, your anarchy lead to exactly what I said it would. Any contribution to this other than you're not omniscient or that you're going to hire hit men?

The simple and fallacious assumption here is that I must go through "their system," rather than an objective unbiased justice system already in existence, and that I have no recourse to private security firms in the meantime to protect my property.

Wow, that didn't leave any questions unanswered...



You know, I am not continually going to recognition of property rights by accident. You call yourself an anarcho-capitalist. Capitalism requires property rights to function. Your voluntary systems regarding limited resources being vied for by competing interests with no system to arbitrate between them are just silly hand waiving.

You know Kevin, you read a book and it made sense to you and you advocate it because you like the way it sounds, even though you can't explain it.

I worked for 20 years half in GE management and the other half in management consulting with a bunch of that in NY on Wall Street developing a healthy hate for government.

Then the last 4 1/2 years I've bought 5 businesses dealing with a belligerent, greedy government at the Federal, State and local level where they try to trip me every step of the way, developing that into a finely honed, keen hate. I sold off two of them and combined the other three into one company, which is what I'm working to build now.

However, I believe in Capitalism even more, so I have stripped everything out out of my mind other then that which capitalism needs to function. The issue is primarily limited resources. There has to be recognition of those rights or you can't buy, sell and trade products, services and companies in a functioning market.

If there is a low hurdle to convince that we could use less government then I advocate, I am that hurdle. So I've pressed you to see if there is any content there. There isn't.

 

[Dot Com]

heres why you people are doomed: http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/306881-conservatives-and-libertarians-need-to-buy-a-clue.html

 

[Redfish]

The problem is, I dont want to HEAR anymore about it. We've said our peace. The problem is that they say one thing adn do the opposite. Which, seems to be a trend in politics with all politicians. Repuiblicans talk about limit constitutional government and sound fiscal policiy and thats where it all ends. It's lip service and nothing more.

I'm not falling for that crap.

then you will help the liberal democrats to one party rule and a virtual king.

Frankly, you have your head up your ass.

With liberoidal douchbag republicans like McLouse and greaseball Romney as my "choices", there is no choice.

Someone needs to pull their head out of their ass and it ain't TASB.

If you didn't vote against obama, you voted for him. YOU helped elect the worst president in history----happy?

Do you honestly think that romney would have been as bad as obama? try to answer honestly.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

If you asked me how I would run a private shoe business you'd get the same answer: I don't have an answer.

The difference being that you aren't on message boards advocating running a private shoe business...

So, in other words, you admit that you haven't read much on anarchism, and yet you feel the need to express an opinion on its alleged deficiencies

Wrong again. I am asking ... you ... about what ... you ... are advocating. And every time in return I get the above in red. I got it, you advocate, you don't explain, you don't take questions.

No, and I'm not advocating that I run a private road business either. I am, however, advocating that both shoes and roads ought to be private. That doesn't mean I know the best way to provide either.

I can't satisfy central planners. Sorry.

The reason you're afraid to publicly admit you don't believe that Rothbard, Hoppe, and Block are libertarians is because you know that libertarians would reject you rather than them.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

So Kevin, maybe once you could address a situation with some content. You move into a mostly unpopulated valley. You claim about 50 acres of land. You farm half, have some you use for your home. The rest you keep as woods where you have a trail for walks and to get water from a stream a few hundred yards from your home. You and your neighbors live peacefully.

One day a group of people move in the valley and build a church. They're good people, leave you alone, you're fine. But the church keeps building and they need more and more land. Eventually they are at your border. Then in their quest for land they start cutting down your woods saying your home and farm land is yours, but the woods aren't. Then you can't get to the stream and they start charging you for access to water. Your neighbors build closer to the stream and keep to themselves.

Then the church starts to put out maps stating where farms are. They post at their buildings the process for claiming land and disputing people from taking yours, but you don't belong to their church and you don't want to be bothered with it.

They're good people, but they are following process and you're not. They're going to let you fight for your land through their system, but you lose they will enforce their decisions with guns, and they at this point have hundreds of armed people keeping their laws. Your 50 acres is down to 25 and shrinking.

I say you're shit out of luck, your anarchy lead to exactly what I said it would. Any contribution to this other than you're not omniscient or that you're going to hire hit men?

The simple and fallacious assumption here is that I must go through "their system," rather than an objective unbiased justice system already in existence, and that I have no recourse to private security firms in the meantime to protect my property.

Wow, that didn't leave any questions unanswered...



You know, I am not continually going to recognition of property rights by accident. You call yourself an anarcho-capitalist. Capitalism requires property rights to function. Your voluntary systems regarding limited resources being vied for by competing interests with no system to arbitrate between them are just silly hand waiving.

You know Kevin, you read a book and it made sense to you and you advocate it because you like the way it sounds, even though you can't explain it.

I worked for 20 years half in GE management and the other half in management consulting with a bunch of that in NY on Wall Street developing a healthy hate for government.

Then the last 4 1/2 years I've bought 5 businesses dealing with a belligerent, greedy government at the Federal, State and local level where they try to trip me every step of the way, developing that into a finely honed, keen hate. I sold off two of them and combined the other three into one company, which is what I'm working to build now.

However, I believe in Capitalism even more, so I have stripped everything out out of my mind other then that which capitalism needs to function. The issue is primarily limited resources. There has to be recognition of those rights or you can't buy, sell and trade products, services and companies in a functioning market.

If there is a low hurdle to convince that we could use less government then I advocate, I am that hurdle. So I've pressed you to see if there is any content there. There isn't.

Speaking of leaving questions unanswered.. How's the libertarian purge of Rothbard, Hoppe, and Block going?

 

[TakeAStepBack]

then you will help the liberal democrats to one party rule and a virtual king.

Frankly, you have your head up your ass.

With liberoidal douchbag republicans like McLouse and greaseball Romney as my "choices", there is no choice.

Someone needs to pull their head out of their ass and it ain't TASB.

If you didn't vote against obama, you voted for him. YOU helped elect the worst president in history----happy?

Do you honestly think that romney would have been as bad as obama? try to answer honestly.

Sorry, fella. It's not my responsibility that Giant Doucvhe Milkshake couldn't garner enough support to beat turd sandwich in teh presidential election.

I didn't vote for any of them and therefore, do not own any blame as to which one of these corporatist whores ended up elected.

Which one is worse is fucking irrelevant in the mind of someone who has absolutely zero ambition to vote for which one might not be as bad as the other.

thats a fucking fools game. You can play if you like, but dont pin the blame of a dejected reject on me because of it. I played no part in your game of which turd stinks less.

 

[thanatos144]

With liberoidal douchbag republicans like McLouse and greaseball Romney as my "choices", there is no choice.

Someone needs to pull their head out of their ass and it ain't TASB.

If you didn't vote against obama, you voted for him. YOU helped elect the worst president in history----happy?

Do you honestly think that romney would have been as bad as obama? try to answer honestly.

Sorry, fella. It's not my responsibility that Giant Doucvhe Milkshake couldn't garner enough support to beat turd sandwich in teh presidential election.

I didn't vote for any of them and therefore, do not own any blame as to which one of these corporatist whores ended up elected.

Which one is worse is fucking irrelevant in the mind of someone who has absolutely zero ambition to vote for which one might not be as bad as the other.

thats a fucking fools game. You can play if you like, but dont pin the blame of a dejected reject on me because of it. I played no part in your game of which turd stinks less.

I am sure when your old enough to vote in a few years you will show then all right?

 

[TakeAStepBack]

If you didn't vote against obama, you voted for him. YOU helped elect the worst president in history----happy?

Do you honestly think that romney would have been as bad as obama? try to answer honestly.

Sorry, fella. It's not my responsibility that Giant Doucvhe Milkshake couldn't garner enough support to beat turd sandwich in teh presidential election.

I didn't vote for any of them and therefore, do not own any blame as to which one of these corporatist whores ended up elected.

Which one is worse is fucking irrelevant in the mind of someone who has absolutely zero ambition to vote for which one might not be as bad as the other.

thats a fucking fools game. You can play if you like, but dont pin the blame of a dejected reject on me because of it. I played no part in your game of which turd stinks less.

I am sure when your old enough to vote in a few years you will show then all right?

I'm sure you're the most incoherent convenience store clerk I've ever encountered, Cork. Completely sure of it.

 

[RKMBrown]

then you will help the liberal democrats to one party rule and a virtual king.

Frankly, you have your head up your ass.

With liberoidal douchbag republicans like McLouse and greaseball Romney as my "choices", there is no choice.

Someone needs to pull their head out of their ass and it ain't TASB.

If you didn't vote against obama, you voted for him. YOU helped elect the worst president in history----happy?

Do you honestly think that romney would have been as bad as obama? try to answer honestly.

Yes. I am. You want me to vote for a republican he'll have to be the best man on the ticket or fix our voting system so I can order my votes. This time the best guy was Gary Johnson. I would have voted Gary Johnson, Romney, Obama, in that order. Any intelligent voting system would have run offs or allow voters to vote for candidates in order of preference. Our voting system is designed to maintain a two party system and to elect the worst candidates possible. Nutz.

 

[thanatos144]

Sorry, fella. It's not my responsibility that Giant Doucvhe Milkshake couldn't garner enough support to beat turd sandwich in teh presidential election.

I didn't vote for any of them and therefore, do not own any blame as to which one of these corporatist whores ended up elected.

Which one is worse is fucking irrelevant in the mind of someone who has absolutely zero ambition to vote for which one might not be as bad as the other.

thats a fucking fools game. You can play if you like, but dont pin the blame of a dejected reject on me because of it. I played no part in your game of which turd stinks less.

I am sure when your old enough to vote in a few years you will show then all right?

I'm sure you're the most incoherent convenience store clerk I've ever encountered, Cork. Completely sure of it.

Your burgers are burning.

 

[Contumacious]

heres why you people are doomed: http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/306881-conservatives-and-libertarians-need-to-buy-a-clue.html

This the reason YOU need to buy a clue:

Once the country becomes full fledged socialist your vote will be unnecessary.

.

 

[kwc57]

heres why you people are doomed: http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/306881-conservatives-and-libertarians-need-to-buy-a-clue.html

 

[TakeAStepBack]

I am sure when your old enough to vote in a few years you will show then all right?

I'm sure you're the most incoherent convenience store clerk I've ever encountered, Cork. Completely sure of it.

Your burgers are burning.

Your brain cell is burning, Cork. Yes, the only one you were granted. Be more careful.

 

[Oddball]

then you will help the liberal democrats to one party rule and a virtual king.

Frankly, you have your head up your ass.

With liberoidal douchbag republicans like McLouse and greaseball Romney as my "choices", there is no choice.

Someone needs to pull their head out of their ass and it ain't TASB.

If you didn't vote against obama, you voted for him. YOU helped elect the worst president in history----happy?

Do you honestly think that romney would have been as bad as obama? try to answer honestly.

I'm oriented toward what I want, rather than avoidance, fear and loathing....I didn't want Vinnie Vitalis because he's just another ruling class socialist douichebag.

YOU helped re-elect Boiking by nominating an unelectable ruling class douchebag candidate.

 

[thanatos144]

With liberoidal douchbag republicans like McLouse and greaseball Romney as my "choices", there is no choice.

Someone needs to pull their head out of their ass and it ain't TASB.

If you didn't vote against obama, you voted for him. YOU helped elect the worst president in history----happy?

Do you honestly think that romney would have been as bad as obama? try to answer honestly.

I'm oriented toward what I want, rather than avoidance, fear and loathing....I didn't want Vinnie Vitalis because he's just another ruling class socialist douichebag.

YOU helped re-elect Boiking by nominating an unelectable ruling class douchebag candidate.

Bring down the Man!!!!!! Man

 

[Oddball]

If you didn't vote against obama, you voted for him. YOU helped elect the worst president in history----happy?

Do you honestly think that romney would have been as bad as obama? try to answer honestly.

I'm oriented toward what I want, rather than avoidance, fear and loathing....I didn't want Vinnie Vitalis because he's just another ruling class socialist douichebag.

YOU helped re-elect Boiking by nominating an unelectable ruling class douchebag candidate.

Bring down the Man!!!!!! Man

Your defective product is not my fault, comrade.

 

[thanatos144]

I'm oriented toward what I want, rather than avoidance, fear and loathing....I didn't want Vinnie Vitalis because he's just another ruling class socialist douichebag.

YOU helped re-elect Boiking by nominating an unelectable ruling class douchebag candidate.

Bring down the Man!!!!!! Man

Your defective product is not my fault, comrade.

Oh he wasn't mine and he did turn out to be TO LIBERTARIAN and moderate...Pussies dont win against your progressive brothers and sisters.

 

[Oddball]

Bring down the Man!!!!!! Man

Your defective product is not my fault, comrade.

Oh he wasn't mine and he did turn out to be TO LIBERTARIAN and moderate...Pussies dont win against your progressive brothers and sisters.

Three words come to mind here: Sense. Of. Entitlement.....That's the mindset of libroidal douchebags.

Guess what, Corky?....You don't own my vote....My vote is mine to cast the way I see fit...You want my vote, nominate someone who earns it, rather than trying to hustle me with your cynical bait-and-switch ploy which holds that your piece of shit candidate is less of a piece of shit than the other candidate.