Conservatives...Smacked In The Kisser!

Each one self-defined himself as a conservative....then supported the socialist.

And I'm calling them out.

But they are NOT Conservatives... so you're calling out the wrong people.


How about you tell them that they're incorrect.

This thread is my way of doing just that.


Here's why it's necessary:

"William "Bill" Kristol (born December 23, 1952) is an American conservative[1] political analyst and commentator. He is the founder and editor at large[2] of the political magazine The Weekly Standard and a political commentator on several networks.

Kristol is associated with a number of prominent conservative think tanks."
William Kristol - Wikipedia



And you say?
 
Anyone who didn't vote for Trump.....as questionable a conservative as he is.....voted for Liberalism.
That's just not true. My vote is MY vote... it has to be earned. It's not Trump's vote and me refusing to give it to him.


Donald Trump
Hillary Clinton


Which is the 'conservative' candidate.....even if only slightly?

'Fess up.
 
I have to admit that I was against Trump initially. I didn't think he could win. That's the only real reason why.

To me, there are only two parties in this Country -- dimocrap scum and everybody else.

My favorite candidate is whoever is running against the dimocrap.

Sans two horns and a tail, ANYBODY is superior to ANY dimocrap.

Frankly, that's what Republicans have been running on since Reagan -- "We're not dimocraps"

And that was about the best thing that could be said about them....... They weren't dimocraps.

But that was good enough for me. Then Trump came along and I was fearful he would win the nomination and lose the General. Bigly

I was wrong. I admit it. And that's difficult for me because, well..... It just doesn't happen that often. But I admit it when it does.

I'm also very humble.

And nice.

And empathetic.

And handsome in a certain light (ie; none)
 
I think you confuse "purer than thou conservatives" with "media conservatives". Mainstream tea party conservatives were overjoyed at Trump's win but media (professional) conservatives like Krauthammer, George Will, Greg Guttman (and Megan Kelly?) were against Trump from the beginning and only moderated their views slightly after the election. The problem is that the mainstream Tea Party has no voice other than maybe Sean Hannity while half a dozen professionals who call themselves conservatives pretend speak for the Tea Party. It will always be a problem as long as Americans depend on the mainstream media (including Fox) for information. .
 
I have to admit that I was against Trump initially. I didn't think he could win. That's the only real reason why.

To me, there are only two parties in this Country -- dimocrap scum and everybody else.

My favorite candidate is whoever is running against the dimocrap.

Sans two horns and a tail, ANYBODY is superior to ANY dimocrap.

Frankly, that's what Republicans have been running on since Reagan -- "We're not dimocraps"

And that was about the best thing that could be said about them....... They weren't dimocraps.

But that was good enough for me. Then Trump came along and I was fearful he would win the nomination and lose the General. Bigly

I was wrong. I admit it. And that's difficult for me because, well..... It just doesn't happen that often. But I admit it when it does.

I'm also very humble.

And nice.

And empathetic.

And handsome in a certain light (ie; none)

1. "I have to admit that I was against Trump initially. I didn't think he could win."
So true.
His win almost defies explanation.
Those of us true to conservative beliefs....and fearless of the confrontations...supported him in November.

He wasn't my first choice.

2. "My favorite candidate is whoever is running against the dimocrap."
I'm witcha' there!

3. "Then Trump came along and I was fearful he would win the nomination and lose the General. Bigly."
The same.
Never expected it.


4. "I was wrong. I admit it. And that's difficult for me because, well..... It just doesn't happen that often. But I admit it when it does.

I'm also very humble."

Okey doke!


The only way for us to be correct is if he can do what he has promised...and do so against overwhelming odds....from both sides.

A Sisyphean task.
 
How about you tell them that they're incorrect.

This thread is my way of doing just that.


Here's why it's necessary:

"William "Bill" Kristol (born December 23, 1952) is an American conservative[1] political analyst and commentator. He is the founder and editor at large[2] of the political magazine The Weekly Standard and a political commentator on several networks.

Kristol is associated with a number of prominent conservative think tanks."
William Kristol - Wikipedia



And you say?

Bill Kristol is a "NEOCON" ...it's an ideological view that resides within the Conservative philosophy as MANY ideologies do. Conservatism is a philosophy, not an ideology. There are also "social conservatives" but again, this is a particular ideology which finds a home inside the proverbial "big tent" of Conservative philosophy.

Ideologues can often forsake the very philosophy they claim and this is the case with many on the right. I could also include "alt-right-white-nationalists" in the mix... are you one of those? You believe all the racist crap they spew? That's not ME... that's not Trump... but that's an ideology and it largely supported Trump in this election.
 
Anyone who didn't vote for Trump.....as questionable a conservative as he is.....voted for Liberalism.

What a load of bullshit.


Donald Trump
Hillary Clinton


Which is the 'conservative' candidate.....even if only slightly?

'Fess up.

Trump is for universal health care.

Hillary loves war.

Stop calling people who didn't vote for him names. Raise the bar, PC.


1. I carefully constructed the thread to prove how conservative Trump's cabinet is.
I hope you have the time to read all of my posts.

2. I know you won't claim that the career criminal is more conservative than Trump, or that she would have picked a more conservative cabinet.
In short....reality is defined by actions, not by words.


3. "Stop calling people who didn't vote for him names."
Anyone who didn't vote for Trump, or didn't vote at all, voted for this:
the collective,
command and control regulation of private industry,
and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life...
..........right down to control of his thoughts and speech.
 
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How about you tell them that they're incorrect.

This thread is my way of doing just that.


Here's why it's necessary:

"William "Bill" Kristol (born December 23, 1952) is an American conservative[1] political analyst and commentator. He is the founder and editor at large[2] of the political magazine The Weekly Standard and a political commentator on several networks.

Kristol is associated with a number of prominent conservative think tanks."
William Kristol - Wikipedia



And you say?

Bill Kristol is a "NEOCON" ...it's an ideological view that resides within the Conservative philosophy as MANY ideologies do. Conservatism is a philosophy, not an ideology. There are also "social conservatives" but again, this is a particular ideology which finds a home inside the proverbial "big tent" of Conservative philosophy.

Ideologues can often forsake the very philosophy they claim and this is the case with many on the right. I could also include "alt-right-white-nationalists" in the mix... are you one of those? You believe all the racist crap they spew? That's not ME... that's not Trump... but that's an ideology and it largely supported Trump in this election.



I'm going with the colloquial definition as used by wikipedia....
Hence: Kristol, George Will and the other Never Trump Conservatives are entitled to the appellation.

I'm not sure which your argument is...

a. conservatives, Republicans, Rightwingers, Tea Party members, whatever, who didn't vote for Trump aren't deserving of reproach

or

b. Not voting or not voting for Trump wasn't effectively a vote for the congenital liar.


I dispute both a and b.
 
1. “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” Thomas Jefferson.

a. And based on the above, every conservative is pro-life.


2. "Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump signed an executive action on Monday reinstating the so-called Mexico City Policy, which bars international non-governmental organizations that perform or promote abortions from receiving US government funding." Trump reverses abortion policy for aid to NGOs - CNNPolitics.com



3. Any who called themselves 'conservative' had an obligation to choose Trump over Bill's wife.
 
How about you tell them that they're incorrect.

This thread is my way of doing just that.


Here's why it's necessary:

"William "Bill" Kristol (born December 23, 1952) is an American conservative[1] political analyst and commentator. He is the founder and editor at large[2] of the political magazine The Weekly Standard and a political commentator on several networks.

Kristol is associated with a number of prominent conservative think tanks."
William Kristol - Wikipedia



And you say?

Bill Kristol is a "NEOCON" ...it's an ideological view that resides within the Conservative philosophy as MANY ideologies do. Conservatism is a philosophy, not an ideology. There are also "social conservatives" but again, this is a particular ideology which finds a home inside the proverbial "big tent" of Conservative philosophy.

Ideologues can often forsake the very philosophy they claim and this is the case with many on the right. I could also include "alt-right-white-nationalists" in the mix... are you one of those? You believe all the racist crap they spew? That's not ME... that's not Trump... but that's an ideology and it largely supported Trump in this election.



I'm going with the colloquial definition as used by wikipedia....
Hence: Kristol, George Will and the other Never Trump Conservatives are entitled to the appellation.

I'm not sure which your argument is...

a. conservatives, Republicans, Rightwingers, Tea Party members, whatever, who didn't vote for Trump aren't deserving of reproach

or

b. Not voting or not voting for Trump wasn't effectively a vote for the congenital liar.


I dispute both a and b.

Well you didn't answer my question.

No, I don't think you can automatically demonize all who didn't vote for Trump. Somewhere around 4 million Conservatives didn't vote for Romney or McCain. That didn't mean they voted for Obama. Some Conservatives have philosophical differences with McCain, Romney AND Trump. All three of them CLAIM to be Conservative. George W. Bush also CLAIMED to be a Conservative, although many of his policies were antithetical to Conservative philosophy, which gave rise to the Tea Party movement.

I was just as opposed to Hillary as you. I was glad that Trump won and she lost. I hope that Trump impresses me so much that I vote for his re-election. I couldn't vote for him this time because of the policy positions I outlined earlier, which you totally ignored. Those are important issues to me and ones I wasn't willing to compromise for the sake of popularity. Call me whatever names you like, I just wasn't going to attach my name to that and I still don't intend to do so.

My political philosophy aligns closely with Mark Levin. He voted for Trump. He disagrees with Trump on virtually the same issues as myself, and I didn't vote for Trump. Some would argue that if not for people like Levin who simply voted for Trump to keep Hillary from winning, Trump would have lost the election. So now, you seem to want to throw those people under the bus and denigrate them. It's not a "purist" thing, it's a conservative philosophy thing. Now maybe you're not a Conservative? Maybe you're a nationalist-populist? Well, you wouldn't have won this election without Conservatives supporting your candidate.

Trump is well aware of this. As I pointed out before, in the closing weeks of the election, he made some of the strongest Conservative speeches in the last 30 years. He's certainly not out there thumbing his nose at Conservatives and talking about how he smacked them in the kisser. So lay down your Trump pom-poms and stop bashing on Conservatives who you didn't win over and let's all try to hold Trump to core conservative principles so that he expands Conservative support in the future. If you just need a whipping boy, go after the establishment GOP elites. NOT Conservatives!
 
3. "Stop calling people who didn't vote for him names."
Anyone who didn't vote for Trump, or didn't vote at all, voted for this:
the collective,
command and control regulation of private industry,
and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life...
..........right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

You sound like a leftist.
 
How about you tell them that they're incorrect.

This thread is my way of doing just that.


Here's why it's necessary:

"William "Bill" Kristol (born December 23, 1952) is an American conservative[1] political analyst and commentator. He is the founder and editor at large[2] of the political magazine The Weekly Standard and a political commentator on several networks.

Kristol is associated with a number of prominent conservative think tanks."
William Kristol - Wikipedia



And you say?

Bill Kristol is a "NEOCON" ...it's an ideological view that resides within the Conservative philosophy as MANY ideologies do. Conservatism is a philosophy, not an ideology. There are also "social conservatives" but again, this is a particular ideology which finds a home inside the proverbial "big tent" of Conservative philosophy.

Ideologues can often forsake the very philosophy they claim and this is the case with many on the right. I could also include "alt-right-white-nationalists" in the mix... are you one of those? You believe all the racist crap they spew? That's not ME... that's not Trump... but that's an ideology and it largely supported Trump in this election.



I'm going with the colloquial definition as used by wikipedia....
Hence: Kristol, George Will and the other Never Trump Conservatives are entitled to the appellation.

I'm not sure which your argument is...

a. conservatives, Republicans, Rightwingers, Tea Party members, whatever, who didn't vote for Trump aren't deserving of reproach

or

b. Not voting or not voting for Trump wasn't effectively a vote for the congenital liar.


I dispute both a and b.

Well you didn't answer my question.

No, I don't think you can automatically demonize all who didn't vote for Trump. Somewhere around 4 million Conservatives didn't vote for Romney or McCain. That didn't mean they voted for Obama. Some Conservatives have philosophical differences with McCain, Romney AND Trump. All three of them CLAIM to be Conservative. George W. Bush also CLAIMED to be a Conservative, although many of his policies were antithetical to Conservative philosophy, which gave rise to the Tea Party movement.

I was just as opposed to Hillary as you. I was glad that Trump won and she lost. I hope that Trump impresses me so much that I vote for his re-election. I couldn't vote for him this time because of the policy positions I outlined earlier, which you totally ignored. Those are important issues to me and ones I wasn't willing to compromise for the sake of popularity. Call me whatever names you like, I just wasn't going to attach my name to that and I still don't intend to do so.

My political philosophy aligns closely with Mark Levin. He voted for Trump. He disagrees with Trump on virtually the same issues as myself, and I didn't vote for Trump. Some would argue that if not for people like Levin who simply voted for Trump to keep Hillary from winning, Trump would have lost the election. So now, you seem to want to throw those people under the bus and denigrate them. It's not a "purist" thing, it's a conservative philosophy thing. Now maybe you're not a Conservative? Maybe you're a nationalist-populist? Well, you wouldn't have won this election without Conservatives supporting your candidate.

Trump is well aware of this. As I pointed out before, in the closing weeks of the election, he made some of the strongest Conservative speeches in the last 30 years. He's certainly not out there thumbing his nose at Conservatives and talking about how he smacked them in the kisser. So lay down your Trump pom-poms and stop bashing on Conservatives who you didn't win over and let's all try to hold Trump to core conservative principles so that he expands Conservative support in the future. If you just need a whipping boy, go after the establishment GOP elites. NOT Conservatives!


1. "No, I don't think you can automatically demonize all who didn't vote for Trump."

All I have done is correctly reveal the cowardice and poor judgment to individuals who claimed to endorse individualism, free markets and limited constitutional government...........

...and, instead, worked.....actually WORDED....to turn America over to Leftists, socialists, one-world-governmenters, global warming fools, criminals, opponents of American sovereignty, and those opposed to Judeo-Christian tradition.

Any who fit that description should be despised.


2. "That didn't mean they voted for Obama."
Of course it did. This election was so close that even the act of not voting was a vote for Obama's third term.
Obama said it, and the career criminal said it.

3. "Some Conservatives have philosophical differences with McCain, Romney AND Trump."
Be very clear about what that means. It means 'I'd rather turn everyone's life over to Obama, Soros, Clinton....than made the judgement as to which is worse, that or my 'philosophical difference.'


4. "I was just as opposed to Hillary as you. I was glad that Trump won and she lost."
Did you turn out and vote for Trump?
If you didn't...then you were not as 'opposed to Hillary' as I was.


5. "My political philosophy aligns closely with Mark Levin. He voted for Trump. He disagrees with Trump on virtually the same issues as myself, and I didn't vote for Trump."
No wonder you are sensitive to the meaning of this thread.
Mene, mene, tekel, upharsin

When the fight was on the line....you were found wanting.


6. "Some would argue that if not for people like Levin who simply voted for Trump to keep Hillary from winning, Trump would have lost the election."
Of course that is the case!!!


7. " So now, you seem to want to throw those people under the bus and denigrate them."
You may phrase it in any way that makes you feel better about yourself.
I am cursed with the inability to do other than speak the truth.


8. "Well, you wouldn't have won this election without Conservatives supporting your candidate."
You're edging toward lying.
I've been very clear about toward whom I am directing my abuse:
"...not all of us conservatives....just the sell-out bunch.

1. When Donald Trump...against all probability...won the Republican nomination, one of the most infuriating....or disappointing....outcomes, was the chorus of the "purer then thou" conservatives....dubbed "Never Trumpers."
That would be you.



9. "...in the closing weeks of the election, he made some of the strongest Conservative speeches in the last 30 years."
Don't you recognize that you've buried yourself in this one sentence?

10. "So lay down your Trump pom-poms and stop bashing on Conservatives who you didn't win over and let's all try to hold Trump to core conservative principles so that he expands Conservative support in the future. If you just need a whipping boy, go after the establishment GOP elites. NOT Conservatives!"
If this is your admission of guilt we can move on.
 
3. "Stop calling people who didn't vote for him names."
Anyone who didn't vote for Trump, or didn't vote at all, voted for this:
the collective,
command and control regulation of private industry,
and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life...
..........right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

You sound like a leftist.


No I don't.

I'm giving you the tough love you need so you don't ever loose sight of the prize again.
 
How about you tell them that they're incorrect.

This thread is my way of doing just that.


Here's why it's necessary:

"William "Bill" Kristol (born December 23, 1952) is an American conservative[1] political analyst and commentator. He is the founder and editor at large[2] of the political magazine The Weekly Standard and a political commentator on several networks.

Kristol is associated with a number of prominent conservative think tanks."
William Kristol - Wikipedia



And you say?

Bill Kristol is a "NEOCON" ...it's an ideological view that resides within the Conservative philosophy as MANY ideologies do. Conservatism is a philosophy, not an ideology. There are also "social conservatives" but again, this is a particular ideology which finds a home inside the proverbial "big tent" of Conservative philosophy.

Ideologues can often forsake the very philosophy they claim and this is the case with many on the right. I could also include "alt-right-white-nationalists" in the mix... are you one of those? You believe all the racist crap they spew? That's not ME... that's not Trump... but that's an ideology and it largely supported Trump in this election.



I'm going with the colloquial definition as used by wikipedia....
Hence: Kristol, George Will and the other Never Trump Conservatives are entitled to the appellation.

I'm not sure which your argument is...

a. conservatives, Republicans, Rightwingers, Tea Party members, whatever, who didn't vote for Trump aren't deserving of reproach

or

b. Not voting or not voting for Trump wasn't effectively a vote for the congenital liar.


I dispute both a and b.

Well you didn't answer my question.

No, I don't think you can automatically demonize all who didn't vote for Trump. Somewhere around 4 million Conservatives didn't vote for Romney or McCain. That didn't mean they voted for Obama. Some Conservatives have philosophical differences with McCain, Romney AND Trump. All three of them CLAIM to be Conservative. George W. Bush also CLAIMED to be a Conservative, although many of his policies were antithetical to Conservative philosophy, which gave rise to the Tea Party movement.

I was just as opposed to Hillary as you. I was glad that Trump won and she lost. I hope that Trump impresses me so much that I vote for his re-election. I couldn't vote for him this time because of the policy positions I outlined earlier, which you totally ignored. Those are important issues to me and ones I wasn't willing to compromise for the sake of popularity. Call me whatever names you like, I just wasn't going to attach my name to that and I still don't intend to do so.

My political philosophy aligns closely with Mark Levin. He voted for Trump. He disagrees with Trump on virtually the same issues as myself, and I didn't vote for Trump. Some would argue that if not for people like Levin who simply voted for Trump to keep Hillary from winning, Trump would have lost the election. So now, you seem to want to throw those people under the bus and denigrate them. It's not a "purist" thing, it's a conservative philosophy thing. Now maybe you're not a Conservative? Maybe you're a nationalist-populist? Well, you wouldn't have won this election without Conservatives supporting your candidate.

Trump is well aware of this. As I pointed out before, in the closing weeks of the election, he made some of the strongest Conservative speeches in the last 30 years. He's certainly not out there thumbing his nose at Conservatives and talking about how he smacked them in the kisser. So lay down your Trump pom-poms and stop bashing on Conservatives who you didn't win over and let's all try to hold Trump to core conservative principles so that he expands Conservative support in the future. If you just need a whipping boy, go after the establishment GOP elites. NOT Conservatives!


1. "No, I don't think you can automatically demonize all who didn't vote for Trump."

All I have done is correctly reveal the cowardice and poor judgment to individuals who claimed to endorse individualism, free markets and limited constitutional government...........

...and, instead, worked.....actually WORDED....to turn America over to Leftists, socialists, one-world-governmenters, global warming fools, criminals, opponents of American sovereignty, and those opposed to Judeo-Christian tradition.

Any who fit that description should be despised.


2. "That didn't mean they voted for Obama."
Of course it did. This election was so close that even the act of not voting was a vote for Obama's third term.
Obama said it, and the career criminal said it.

3. "Some Conservatives have philosophical differences with McCain, Romney AND Trump."
Be very clear about what that means. It means 'I'd rather turn everyone's life over to Obama, Soros, Clinton....than made the judgement as to which is worse, that or my 'philosophical difference.'


4. "I was just as opposed to Hillary as you. I was glad that Trump won and she lost."
Did you turn out and vote for Trump?
If you didn't...then you were not as 'opposed to Hillary' as I was.


5. "My political philosophy aligns closely with Mark Levin. He voted for Trump. He disagrees with Trump on virtually the same issues as myself, and I didn't vote for Trump."
No wonder you are sensitive to the meaning of this thread.
Mene, mene, tekel, upharsin

When the fight was on the line....you were found wanting.


6. "Some would argue that if not for people like Levin who simply voted for Trump to keep Hillary from winning, Trump would have lost the election."
Of course that is the case!!!


7. " So now, you seem to want to throw those people under the bus and denigrate them."
You may phrase it in any way that makes you feel better about yourself.
I am cursed with the inability to do other than speak the truth.


8. "Well, you wouldn't have won this election without Conservatives supporting your candidate."
You're edging toward lying.
I've been very clear about toward whom I am directing my abuse:
"...not all of us conservatives....just the sell-out bunch.

1. When Donald Trump...against all probability...won the Republican nomination, one of the most infuriating....or disappointing....outcomes, was the chorus of the "purer then thou" conservatives....dubbed "Never Trumpers."
That would be you.



9. "...in the closing weeks of the election, he made some of the strongest Conservative speeches in the last 30 years."
Don't you recognize that you've buried yourself in this one sentence?

10. "So lay down your Trump pom-poms and stop bashing on Conservatives who you didn't win over and let's all try to hold Trump to core conservative principles so that he expands Conservative support in the future. If you just need a whipping boy, go after the establishment GOP elites. NOT Conservatives!"
If this is your admission of guilt we can move on.

You are wrong, and let me tell you WHY you are wrong...

Trump has no advocates other than his supporters. He is hated by the media as well as the political establishment on BOTH sides. The ONLY allies the man has are his supporters. What you are on a campaign to do, apparently, is to trash and bash all the people who, for whatever reason, couldn't pull the lever for Trump in the general election....many of whom support Trump now because he won. Now..... there are people on the left who aren't ever going to support Trump, doesn't matter what you say to them. But anyone on the RIGHT who didn't vote Trump is what you might call a "Redeemable" and you need to get off your fucking high horse and at least try to be cordial to them. Continuing this hateful bashing of people Trump can easily win over, is just plain STUPID and MORONIC as fuck!

I honestly do not get your point! What's next? Are you going to go off on Millennials? Yeah... there's a winning idea... let's piss off the largest growing demographic so they don't support Trump! That's a plan! Fucking genius!

Do Trump a HUGE political favor and shut your idiot pie hole!
 
"In his first hours as president Friday, Donald Trump ordered federal agencies to "ease the burden" of ObamaCare while his chief of staff directed an immediate regulatory freeze.

The order, which noted that Trump intends to seek the law's "prompt repeal," directs agencies to "minimize the unwarranted economic and regulatory burdens [of ObamaCare] and prepare to afford the States more flexibility and control to create a more free and open healthcare market." It also tells agencies to waive, defer or delay imposing any ObamaCare provisions that impose fiscal penalties on states, health care providers, families or individuals."
In first executive order, Trump tells agencies to ease ObamaCare burden



Imagine how different this would be if the Democrat has won. And this was what "Never Trumpers" planned to relegate America to.....

Only a conservative would choose to make the individual his focus over government regulations and the collective.
 

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