Conservatives...Smacked In The Kisser!

[PoliticalChic]

"US in talks to move Israel embassy to Jerusalem
White House in ‘beginning stages’ of plan to fulfil Donald Trump’s pledge to move consulate from Tel Aviv"
US in talks to move Israel embassy to Jerusalem


I distinctly recall Bush 43 promising to make the move on his first day in office....of course, he didn't.


Trump, it seems, means what he says.


I believe I have the vapors!

 

[PoliticalChic]

Memo to Never Trump Conservatives:

What could be more conservative than cutting the size and reach of government?

This ->

"President Donald Trump told business leaders on Monday he believes he can cut regulations by 75 percent or "maybe more."

At the White House with 10 senior executives, he repeated his campaign pledges to roll back corporate rules, arguing that they have "gotten out of control." A White House spokesman did not immediately respond to a request to elaborate on which rules Trump will target or how the 75 percent was calculated.

"We're going to be cutting regulation massively," but the rules will be "just as protective of the people," Trump told reporters at the meeting that included Tesla Motors CEO Elon Musk and Under Armour CEO Kevin Plank."
Trump tells business leaders he wants to cut regulations by 75% or 'maybe more'



Would that have been the policy of Bill's wife?

 

[Boss]

Again, I would like to weigh in here to point out that you are misusing the term "Conservative" to mean "people who didn't vote for Trump." I'm sorry, but that's just not accurate. Many conservatives DID vote for Trump, especially evangelicals. Some conservatives DIDN'T vote for Trump but weren't opposed to many of Trump's policy ideas or supportive of Hillary Clinton.

The so-called "Never-Trumpers" are mostly Establishment Republicans who are NOT Conservatives. The Establishment GOP took it in the shorts this election.... THAT should be the title of your thread and the focus of you angst. NOT Conservatives!

Let me explain why it's important for you to change your narrative here. Trump is going to govern as a populist centrist for the most part. He HAS to do this in order to get legislation passed in congress. So whenever issues come up where he has to give a little to get a little, this anti-conservative rhetoric is going to bite you in the ass. You would put yourself in a much stronger political position to recognize Conservatism as an overarching PHILOSOPHY rather than some rigid ideology. That way, you can present a rational argument to conservatives in order to bring them over to your way of thinking. Trashing, bashing, shaming and ridiculing them is futile. You must find a way to incorporate their viewpoint or you're going to lose their support along the way and that will not do you any good. Trump is going to have enough enemies already, no need to create more.

So let's stop with this divisive Anti-Conservative nonsense and focus on the big picture... okay?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Again, I would like to weigh in here to point out that you are misusing the term "Conservative" to mean "people who didn't vote for Trump." I'm sorry, but that's just not accurate. Many conservatives DID vote for Trump, especially evangelicals. Some conservatives DIDN'T vote for Trump but weren't opposed to many of Trump's policy ideas or supportive of Hillary Clinton.

The so-called "Never-Trumpers" are mostly Establishment Republicans who are NOT Conservatives. The Establishment GOP took it in the shorts this election.... THAT should be the title of your thread and the focus of you angst. NOT Conservatives!

Let me explain why it's important for you to change your narrative here. Trump is going to govern as a populist centrist for the most part. He HAS to do this in order to get legislation passed in congress. So whenever issues come up where he has to give a little to get a little, this anti-conservative rhetoric is going to bite you in the ass. You would put yourself in a much stronger political position to recognize Conservatism as an overarching PHILOSOPHY rather than some rigid ideology. That way, you can present a rational argument to conservatives in order to bring them over to your way of thinking. Trashing, bashing, shaming and ridiculing them is futile. You must find a way to incorporate their viewpoint or you're going to lose their support along the way and that will not do you any good. Trump is going to have enough enemies already, no need to create more.

So let's stop with this divisive Anti-Conservative nonsense and focus on the big picture... okay?

"Again, I would like to weigh in here to point out that you are misusing the term "Conservative" to mean "people who didn't vote for Trump."

Au contraire, Boss.....

I explained the precise way I was using it.

The OP began thus:

"Well....not all of us conservatives....just the sell-out bunch.

1. When Donald Trump...against all probability...won the Republican nomination, one of the most infuriating....or disappointing....outcomes, was the chorus of the "purer then thou" conservatives....dubbed "Never Trumpers."



The thread is meant as discipline for the AWOL conservatives who would have left the rest of us to the tender mercies of Democrats, Liberals, socialists, and big-governmenters of all stripes.


If you put yourself on the burner, don't complain when I turn it on.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Again, I would like to weigh in here to point out that you are misusing the term "Conservative" to mean "people who didn't vote for Trump." I'm sorry, but that's just not accurate. Many conservatives DID vote for Trump, especially evangelicals. Some conservatives DIDN'T vote for Trump but weren't opposed to many of Trump's policy ideas or supportive of Hillary Clinton.

The so-called "Never-Trumpers" are mostly Establishment Republicans who are NOT Conservatives. The Establishment GOP took it in the shorts this election.... THAT should be the title of your thread and the focus of you angst. NOT Conservatives!

Let me explain why it's important for you to change your narrative here. Trump is going to govern as a populist centrist for the most part. He HAS to do this in order to get legislation passed in congress. So whenever issues come up where he has to give a little to get a little, this anti-conservative rhetoric is going to bite you in the ass. You would put yourself in a much stronger political position to recognize Conservatism as an overarching PHILOSOPHY rather than some rigid ideology. That way, you can present a rational argument to conservatives in order to bring them over to your way of thinking. Trashing, bashing, shaming and ridiculing them is futile. You must find a way to incorporate their viewpoint or you're going to lose their support along the way and that will not do you any good. Trump is going to have enough enemies already, no need to create more.

So let's stop with this divisive Anti-Conservative nonsense and focus on the big picture... okay?

"The so-called "Never-Trumpers" are mostly Establishment Republicans who are NOT Conservatives. The Establishment GOP took it in the shorts this election.... THAT should be the title of your thread and the focus of you angst. NOT Conservatives!"

I'm the God-fearing, gun-toting, flag-waving conservative who voted for Trump.

George Will, William Kristol, probably the Bushes are the Never Trump Conservatives at whom I'm aiming well earned contumely.


I believe I've proven that Trump's cabinet choices represent the most conservative cabinet in modern political history.

 

[Moonglow]

"US in talks to move Israel embassy to Jerusalem
White House in ‘beginning stages’ of plan to fulfil Donald Trump’s pledge to move consulate from Tel Aviv"
US in talks to move Israel embassy to Jerusalem


I distinctly recall Bush 43 promising to make the move on his first day in office....of course, he didn't.


Trump, it seems, means what he says.


I believe I have the vapors!

It is not Trump's idea to move the embassy..He is not the originator of the plan...

 

[Edgetho]

Well....not all of us conservatives....just the sell-out bunch.

1. When Donald Trump...against all probability...won the Republican nomination, one of the most infuriating....or disappointing....outcomes, was the chorus of the "purer then thou" conservatives....dubbed "Never Trumpers."




2. "....the editor of the conservative National Review, assembles a squadron of writers from all over the world of conservatism -- religious figures, radio personalities, President Reagan's former aides. True, they might have had their differences in the past, but this time, they have all come together in one final effort to stop a powerful villain from destroying liberty and freedom before the Iowa caucuses in just over a week.
That villain, of course, is Donald Trump, ..." Top Republicans say Donald Trump’s real problem is that he’s too moderate

3. "....signing one or both of two public “Never Trump” letters during the campaign, declaring they would not vote for Trump and calling his candidacy a danger to the nation. One letter, with 122 names, was published by War on the Rocks, a website devoted to national security commentary, during the primary season in March. The other, with 50 names, including some repeat signatories, was published by the New York Times during the general-election campaign in August." Vox Popoli: Pity the poor Never Trumpers



5. In the most abysmal act of political betrayal....
"Jeb Bush’s son: Yeah, it’s possible my Uncle George will vote for Hillary Clinton"
Jeb Bush’s son: Yeah, it’s possible my Uncle George will vote for Hillary Clinton - Hot Air


4. Shocked at the duplicity......this comes to mind:
"Ephialtes He betrayed his homeland, in hope of receiving some kind of reward from the Persians,[2] by showing the Persian forces a path around the allied Greek position at the pass of Thermopylae, which helped them win the Battle of Thermopylae in 480 BC." Ephialtes of Trachis - Wikipedia

Ephialtes of Trachis - Alchetron, The Free Social Encyclopedia



" Ever since Ephialtes betrayed the Greeks at Thermopylae, in Greek "ephialtes" means nightmare. Ephialtes also is used in Greek as a synonym for traitor, in a comparable fashion to the usage of the words Quisling or Judas, or Benedict Arnold in the US."
Or....'Never Trump!"



Coming right up....the stake through the heart of the "Never-Trump Conservative" windbags.

PC, I love you. I really do, but are you related to James A Michener or Leo Tolstoy?

 

[Cowman]

Did somebody say smacked in the kisser?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Again, I would like to weigh in here to point out that you are misusing the term "Conservative" to mean "people who didn't vote for Trump." I'm sorry, but that's just not accurate. Many conservatives DID vote for Trump, especially evangelicals. Some conservatives DIDN'T vote for Trump but weren't opposed to many of Trump's policy ideas or supportive of Hillary Clinton.

The so-called "Never-Trumpers" are mostly Establishment Republicans who are NOT Conservatives. The Establishment GOP took it in the shorts this election.... THAT should be the title of your thread and the focus of you angst. NOT Conservatives!

Let me explain why it's important for you to change your narrative here. Trump is going to govern as a populist centrist for the most part. He HAS to do this in order to get legislation passed in congress. So whenever issues come up where he has to give a little to get a little, this anti-conservative rhetoric is going to bite you in the ass. You would put yourself in a much stronger political position to recognize Conservatism as an overarching PHILOSOPHY rather than some rigid ideology. That way, you can present a rational argument to conservatives in order to bring them over to your way of thinking. Trashing, bashing, shaming and ridiculing them is futile. You must find a way to incorporate their viewpoint or you're going to lose their support along the way and that will not do you any good. Trump is going to have enough enemies already, no need to create more.

So let's stop with this divisive Anti-Conservative nonsense and focus on the big picture... okay?

1. "Trump is going to govern as a populist centrist for the most part. He HAS to do this in order to get legislation passed in congress. So whenever issues come up where he has to give a little to get a little, this anti-conservative rhetoric is going to bite you in the ass."
I have used only the conditions that exist.
Your thesis relies on the Magic 8-Ball.

2. " You would put yourself in a much stronger political position to recognize Conservatism as an overarching PHILOSOPHY rather than some rigid ideology. That way, you can present a rational argument to conservatives in order to bring them over to your way of thinking."
Here's my basic definition: individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.
Let's see you poke holes in that.

And....don't pretend that I've offered anything but a rational argument.



3. "Trashing, bashing, shaming and ridiculing them is futile. You must find a way to incorporate their viewpoint or you're going to lose their support along the way and that will not do you any good. Trump is going to have enough enemies already, no need to create more."
Do you not understand????
They did not only not provide support....they worked to elect the Liberal Socialist, anti-American candidate.

Their actions deserve being beaten with the truth.


And....soften my thesis???
Not on your life.
"...raising a banner of no pale pastels, but bold colors which make it unmistakably clear where we stand on all of the issues troubling the people”.
Ronald Reagan

 

[PoliticalChic]

Well....not all of us conservatives....just the sell-out bunch.

1. When Donald Trump...against all probability...won the Republican nomination, one of the most infuriating....or disappointing....outcomes, was the chorus of the "purer then thou" conservatives....dubbed "Never Trumpers."




2. "....the editor of the conservative National Review, assembles a squadron of writers from all over the world of conservatism -- religious figures, radio personalities, President Reagan's former aides. True, they might have had their differences in the past, but this time, they have all come together in one final effort to stop a powerful villain from destroying liberty and freedom before the Iowa caucuses in just over a week.
That villain, of course, is Donald Trump, ..." Top Republicans say Donald Trump’s real problem is that he’s too moderate

3. "....signing one or both of two public “Never Trump” letters during the campaign, declaring they would not vote for Trump and calling his candidacy a danger to the nation. One letter, with 122 names, was published by War on the Rocks, a website devoted to national security commentary, during the primary season in March. The other, with 50 names, including some repeat signatories, was published by the New York Times during the general-election campaign in August." Vox Popoli: Pity the poor Never Trumpers



5. In the most abysmal act of political betrayal....
"Jeb Bush’s son: Yeah, it’s possible my Uncle George will vote for Hillary Clinton"
Jeb Bush’s son: Yeah, it’s possible my Uncle George will vote for Hillary Clinton - Hot Air


4. Shocked at the duplicity......this comes to mind:
"Ephialtes He betrayed his homeland, in hope of receiving some kind of reward from the Persians,[2] by showing the Persian forces a path around the allied Greek position at the pass of Thermopylae, which helped them win the Battle of Thermopylae in 480 BC." Ephialtes of Trachis - Wikipedia

Ephialtes of Trachis - Alchetron, The Free Social Encyclopedia



" Ever since Ephialtes betrayed the Greeks at Thermopylae, in Greek "ephialtes" means nightmare. Ephialtes also is used in Greek as a synonym for traitor, in a comparable fashion to the usage of the words Quisling or Judas, or Benedict Arnold in the US."
Or....'Never Trump!"



Coming right up....the stake through the heart of the "Never-Trump Conservative" windbags.

PC, I love you. I really do, but are you related to James A Michener or Leo Tolstoy?

Genghis Khan

Trampling The Weak, Hurdling The Dead

 

[Edgetho]

Did somebody say smacked in the kisser?

 

[Zoom-boing]

So the Never Trumpers have a differing pov, are much more conservative than Trump. And? Aren't we always saying that the left needs to be more tolerant of others? That we should listen to what those with differing viewpoints have to say? Your rant does absolutely nothing to move that conversation forward. All it's doing is telling them to shut up, we won, get over it ... just like the left did. You want a bigger tent? Stop belittling the people who don't adhere to your agenda or share you pov.

smh

 

[Boss]

Again, I would like to weigh in here to point out that you are misusing the term "Conservative" to mean "people who didn't vote for Trump." I'm sorry, but that's just not accurate. Many conservatives DID vote for Trump, especially evangelicals. Some conservatives DIDN'T vote for Trump but weren't opposed to many of Trump's policy ideas or supportive of Hillary Clinton.

The so-called "Never-Trumpers" are mostly Establishment Republicans who are NOT Conservatives. The Establishment GOP took it in the shorts this election.... THAT should be the title of your thread and the focus of you angst. NOT Conservatives!

Let me explain why it's important for you to change your narrative here. Trump is going to govern as a populist centrist for the most part. He HAS to do this in order to get legislation passed in congress. So whenever issues come up where he has to give a little to get a little, this anti-conservative rhetoric is going to bite you in the ass. You would put yourself in a much stronger political position to recognize Conservatism as an overarching PHILOSOPHY rather than some rigid ideology. That way, you can present a rational argument to conservatives in order to bring them over to your way of thinking. Trashing, bashing, shaming and ridiculing them is futile. You must find a way to incorporate their viewpoint or you're going to lose their support along the way and that will not do you any good. Trump is going to have enough enemies already, no need to create more.

So let's stop with this divisive Anti-Conservative nonsense and focus on the big picture... okay?

"Again, I would like to weigh in here to point out that you are misusing the term "Conservative" to mean "people who didn't vote for Trump."

Au contraire, Boss.....

I explained the precise way I was using it.

The OP began thus:

"Well....not all of us conservatives....just the sell-out bunch.

1. When Donald Trump...against all probability...won the Republican nomination, one of the most infuriating....or disappointing....outcomes, was the chorus of the "purer then thou" conservatives....dubbed "Never Trumpers."



The thread is meant as discipline for the AWOL conservatives who would have left the rest of us to the tender mercies of Democrats, Liberals, socialists, and big-governmenters of all stripes.


If you put yourself on the burner, don't complain when I turn it on.

Well, there are a LOT of things Trump said he wants to do that are exceptionally "BIG GOVERNMENT" ....so how do you reconcile this as a Conservative who is opposed to big government solutions?

One thing I pointed out was his saying "we need to tax the rich more." Okay, so that completely craters the argument the conservatives have made for years that we don't tax wealth, we tax incomes and the top income earners are mostly small businesses and people who are trying to become rich. So he completely capitulated to the rhetoric of the leftists on this and that bugged the piss out of me. He did the same thing with the minimum wage. After stating in the debates that he wouldn't favor increasing the MW because it would kill jobs (a stalwart conservative point), he flip-flopped in the general and said he favored increasing it to $10/hr.

In Iowa, when he was trying to win the Iowa caucuses, he came out in favor of Ethanol subsidies. Why? Because corn is Iowa's big thing! They get a lot of federal funding for ethanol. Well now, as a Conservative... I don't support federal funding for ethanol because it's stupid and pointless. It's global warming claptrap.

He made statements about federal land grabs, where the federal government is going into these western states and usurping state land under the national parks restoration act, which is preventing them from using the land for commercial development. I disagree strongly with that, I don't think the federal government has any business doing that. So am I supposed to abandon my principles?

One of his key platform agenda items is nationalized child care. This is something the liberal left has been pushing and conservatives have been fighting for over 25 years. Again... abandon my principles and capitulate to the left?

Trade tariffs to force capitalist enterprises to do what we want them to do... again, this is Big Government interfering with free market capitalism. We have a trade deficit because we receive a lot of raw materials from abroad which keeps our economic engine running and supports American jobs. Hoover tried this same tactic and it caused the Great Depression. We have to be very careful when using tariffs... I'm not totally opposed to any and all tariffs but we have to look at them closely to determine the benefits and predict the consequences. We can't just willy-nilly start invoking tariffs left and right... we already have some 12,000 tariffs in effect.

To me... the "sell-outs" are those who are abandoning their conservative principles because Trump is popular. I don't have a problem with a populist president as long as he adheres to an overall conservative philosophy. When he strays from that, I'm going to speak up because those are my principles. I don't sacrifice principles for popularity.

 

[Boss]

George Will, William Kristol, probably the Bushes are the Never Trump Conservatives at whom I'm aiming well earned contumely.

And I am saying these are not TRUE Conservatives. They are establishment republican elites... the same bunch who rejected and condemned Ronald Reagan.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Again, I would like to weigh in here to point out that you are misusing the term "Conservative" to mean "people who didn't vote for Trump." I'm sorry, but that's just not accurate. Many conservatives DID vote for Trump, especially evangelicals. Some conservatives DIDN'T vote for Trump but weren't opposed to many of Trump's policy ideas or supportive of Hillary Clinton.

The so-called "Never-Trumpers" are mostly Establishment Republicans who are NOT Conservatives. The Establishment GOP took it in the shorts this election.... THAT should be the title of your thread and the focus of you angst. NOT Conservatives!

Let me explain why it's important for you to change your narrative here. Trump is going to govern as a populist centrist for the most part. He HAS to do this in order to get legislation passed in congress. So whenever issues come up where he has to give a little to get a little, this anti-conservative rhetoric is going to bite you in the ass. You would put yourself in a much stronger political position to recognize Conservatism as an overarching PHILOSOPHY rather than some rigid ideology. That way, you can present a rational argument to conservatives in order to bring them over to your way of thinking. Trashing, bashing, shaming and ridiculing them is futile. You must find a way to incorporate their viewpoint or you're going to lose their support along the way and that will not do you any good. Trump is going to have enough enemies already, no need to create more.

So let's stop with this divisive Anti-Conservative nonsense and focus on the big picture... okay?

"Again, I would like to weigh in here to point out that you are misusing the term "Conservative" to mean "people who didn't vote for Trump."

Au contraire, Boss.....

I explained the precise way I was using it.

The OP began thus:

"Well....not all of us conservatives....just the sell-out bunch.

1. When Donald Trump...against all probability...won the Republican nomination, one of the most infuriating....or disappointing....outcomes, was the chorus of the "purer then thou" conservatives....dubbed "Never Trumpers."



The thread is meant as discipline for the AWOL conservatives who would have left the rest of us to the tender mercies of Democrats, Liberals, socialists, and big-governmenters of all stripes.


If you put yourself on the burner, don't complain when I turn it on.

Well, there are a LOT of things Trump said he wants to do that are exceptionally "BIG GOVERNMENT" ....so how do you reconcile this as a Conservative who is opposed to big government solutions?

One thing I pointed out was his saying "we need to tax the rich more." Okay, so that completely craters the argument the conservatives have made for years that we don't tax wealth, we tax incomes and the top income earners are mostly small businesses and people who are trying to become rich. So he completely capitulated to the rhetoric of the leftists on this and that bugged the piss out of me. He did the same thing with the minimum wage. After stating in the debates that he wouldn't favor increasing the MW because it would kill jobs (a stalwart conservative point), he flip-flopped in the general and said he favored increasing it to $10/hr.

In Iowa, when he was trying to win the Iowa caucuses, he came out in favor of Ethanol subsidies. Why? Because corn is Iowa's big thing! They get a lot of federal funding for ethanol. Well now, as a Conservative... I don't support federal funding for ethanol because it's stupid and pointless. It's global warming claptrap.

He made statements about federal land grabs, where the federal government is going into these western states and usurping state land under the national parks restoration act, which is preventing them from using the land for commercial development. I disagree strongly with that, I don't think the federal government has any business doing that. So am I supposed to abandon my principles?

One of his key platform agenda items is nationalized child care. This is something the liberal left has been pushing and conservatives have been fighting for over 25 years. Again... abandon my principles and capitulate to the left?

Trade tariffs to force capitalist enterprises to do what we want them to do... again, this is Big Government interfering with free market capitalism. We have a trade deficit because we receive a lot of raw materials from abroad which keeps our economic engine running and supports American jobs. Hoover tried this same tactic and it caused the Great Depression. We have to be very careful when using tariffs... I'm not totally opposed to any and all tariffs but we have to look at them closely to determine the benefits and predict the consequences. We can't just willy-nilly start invoking tariffs left and right... we already have some 12,000 tariffs in effect.

To me... the "sell-outs" are those who are abandoning their conservative principles because Trump is popular. I don't have a problem with a populist president as long as he adheres to an overall conservative philosophy. When he strays from that, I'm going to speak up because those are my principles. I don't sacrifice principles for popularity.

"Well, there are a LOT of things Trump said he wants to do that are exceptionally "BIG GOVERNMENT" ....so how do you reconcile this as a Conservative who is opposed to big government solutions?"

This way:

"Trump places hiring freeze on federal workers, cuts off some abortion funding"
Trump places hiring freeze on federal workers, cuts off some abortion funding

 

[PoliticalChic]

George Will, William Kristol, probably the Bushes are the Never Trump Conservatives at whom I'm aiming well earned contumely.

And I am saying these are not TRUE Conservatives. They are establishment republican elites... the same bunch who rejected and condemned Ronald Reagan.

"...not TRUE Conservatives. They are establishment republican elites... the same bunch who rejected and condemned Ronald Reagan."

Each one self-defined himself as a conservative....then supported the socialist.

And I'm calling them out.


Our political system is binary.
Every adult knows that.
Anyone who didn't vote for Trump.....as questionable a conservative as he is.....voted for Liberalism.


And...again....this thread proves conservative bone fides via his actions to date.

 

[Boss]

"Well, there are a LOT of things Trump said he wants to do that are exceptionally "BIG GOVERNMENT" ....so how do you reconcile this as a Conservative who is opposed to big government solutions?"

This way:

"Trump places hiring freeze on federal workers, cuts off some abortion funding"
Trump places hiring freeze on federal workers, cuts off some abortion funding

*sigh*

Declaring a freeze on the most massive expansion and increase in federal jobs of any administration of our lifetimes is not exactly an end to Big Government.

If Trump has taken a shit in the White House toilet it's more conservative than anything the previous administration has done. That goes without saying.

 

[Boss]

Each one self-defined himself as a conservative....then supported the socialist.

And I'm calling them out.

But they are NOT Conservatives... so you're calling out the wrong people.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Anyone who didn't vote for Trump.....as questionable a conservative as he is.....voted for Liberalism.

What a load of bullshit.

 

[Boss]

Anyone who didn't vote for Trump.....as questionable a conservative as he is.....voted for Liberalism.

That's just not true. My vote is MY vote... it has to be earned. It's not Trump's vote and me refusing to give it to him.