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How about you tell them that they're incorrect.
This thread is my way of doing just that.
Here's why it's necessary:
"William "Bill" Kristol (born December 23, 1952) is an American conservative[1] political analyst and commentator. He is the founder and editor at large[2] of the political magazine The Weekly Standard and a political commentator on several networks.
Kristol is associated with a number of prominent conservative think tanks."
William Kristol - Wikipedia
And you say?
Bill Kristol is a "NEOCON" ...it's an ideological view that resides within the Conservative philosophy as MANY ideologies do. Conservatism is a philosophy, not an ideology. There are also "social conservatives" but again, this is a particular ideology which finds a home inside the proverbial "big tent" of Conservative philosophy.
Ideologues can often forsake the very philosophy they claim and this is the case with many on the right. I could also include "alt-right-white-nationalists" in the mix... are you one of those? You believe all the racist crap they spew? That's not ME... that's not Trump... but that's an ideology and it largely supported Trump in this election.
I'm going with the colloquial definition as used by wikipedia....
Hence: Kristol, George Will and the other Never Trump Conservatives are entitled to the appellation.
I'm not sure which your argument is...
a. conservatives, Republicans, Rightwingers, Tea Party members, whatever, who didn't vote for Trump aren't deserving of reproach
or
b. Not voting or not voting for Trump wasn't effectively a vote for the congenital liar.
I dispute both a and b.
Well you didn't answer my question.
No, I don't think you can automatically demonize all who didn't vote for Trump. Somewhere around 4 million Conservatives didn't vote for Romney or McCain. That didn't mean they voted for Obama. Some Conservatives have philosophical differences with McCain, Romney AND Trump. All three of them CLAIM to be Conservative. George W. Bush also CLAIMED to be a Conservative, although many of his policies were antithetical to Conservative philosophy, which gave rise to the Tea Party movement.
I was just as opposed to Hillary as you. I was glad that Trump won and she lost. I hope that Trump impresses me so much that I vote for his re-election. I couldn't vote for him this time because of the policy positions I outlined earlier, which you totally ignored. Those are important issues to me and ones I wasn't willing to compromise for the sake of popularity. Call me whatever names you like, I just wasn't going to attach my name to that and I still don't intend to do so.
My political philosophy aligns closely with Mark Levin. He voted for Trump. He disagrees with Trump on virtually the same issues as myself, and I didn't vote for Trump. Some would argue that if not for people like Levin who simply voted for Trump to keep Hillary from winning, Trump would have lost the election. So now, you seem to want to throw those people under the bus and denigrate them. It's not a "purist" thing, it's a conservative philosophy thing. Now maybe you're not a Conservative? Maybe you're a nationalist-populist? Well, you wouldn't have won this election without Conservatives supporting your candidate.
Trump is well aware of this. As I pointed out before, in the closing weeks of the election, he made some of the strongest Conservative speeches in the last 30 years. He's certainly not out there thumbing his nose at Conservatives and talking about how he smacked them in the kisser. So lay down your Trump pom-poms and stop bashing on Conservatives who you didn't win over and let's all try to hold Trump to core conservative principles so that he expands Conservative support in the future. If you just need a whipping boy, go after the establishment GOP elites. NOT Conservatives!
1. "No, I don't think you can automatically demonize all who didn't vote for Trump."
All I have done is correctly reveal the cowardice and poor judgment to individuals who claimed to endorse individualism, free markets and limited constitutional government...........
...and, instead, worked.....actually WORDED....to turn America over to Leftists, socialists, one-world-governmenters, global warming fools, criminals, opponents of American sovereignty, and those opposed to Judeo-Christian tradition.
Any who fit that description should be despised.
2. "That didn't mean they voted for Obama."
Of course it did. This election was so close that even the act of not voting was a vote for Obama's third term.
Obama said it, and the career criminal said it.
3. "Some Conservatives have philosophical differences with McCain, Romney AND Trump."
Be very clear about what that means. It means 'I'd rather turn everyone's life over to Obama, Soros, Clinton....than made the judgement as to which is worse, that or my 'philosophical difference.'
4. "I was just as opposed to Hillary as you. I was glad that Trump won and she lost."
Did you turn out and vote for Trump?
If you didn't...then you were not as 'opposed to Hillary' as I was.
5. "My political philosophy aligns closely with Mark Levin. He voted for Trump. He disagrees with Trump on virtually the same issues as myself, and I didn't vote for Trump."
No wonder you are sensitive to the meaning of this thread.
Mene, mene, tekel, upharsin
When the fight was on the line....you were found wanting.
6. "Some would argue that if not for people like Levin who simply voted for Trump to keep Hillary from winning, Trump would have lost the election."
Of course that is the case!!!
7. " So now, you seem to want to throw those people under the bus and denigrate them."
You may phrase it in any way that makes you feel better about yourself.
I am cursed with the inability to do other than speak the truth.
8. "Well, you wouldn't have won this election without Conservatives supporting your candidate."
You're edging toward lying.
I've been very clear about toward whom I am directing my abuse:
"...not all of us conservatives....just the sell-out bunch.
1. When Donald Trump...against all probability...won the Republican nomination, one of the most infuriating....or disappointing....outcomes, was the chorus of the "purer then thou" conservatives....dubbed "Never Trumpers."
That would be you.
9. "...in the closing weeks of the election, he made some of the strongest Conservative speeches in the last 30 years."
Don't you recognize that you've buried yourself in this one sentence?
10. "So lay down your Trump pom-poms and stop bashing on Conservatives who you didn't win over and let's all try to hold Trump to core conservative principles so that he expands Conservative support in the future. If you just need a whipping boy, go after the establishment GOP elites. NOT Conservatives!"
If this is your admission of guilt we can move on.
You are wrong, and let me tell you WHY you are wrong...
Trump has no advocates other than his supporters. He is hated by the media as well as the political establishment on BOTH sides. The ONLY allies the man has are his supporters. What you are on a campaign to do, apparently, is to trash and bash all the people who, for whatever reason, couldn't pull the lever for Trump in the general election....many of whom support Trump now because he won. Now..... there are people on the left who aren't ever going to support Trump, doesn't matter what you say to them. But anyone on the RIGHT who didn't vote Trump is what you might call a "Redeemable" and you need to get off your fucking high horse and at least try to be cordial to them. Continuing this hateful bashing of people Trump can easily win over, is just plain STUPID and MORONIC as fuck!
I honestly do not get your point! What's next? Are you going to go off on Millennials? Yeah... there's a winning idea... let's piss off the largest growing demographic so they don't support Trump! That's a plan! Fucking genius!
Do Trump a HUGE political favor and shut your idiot pie hole!
Vulgarity is the sign that you know you are wrong.
That's why I never have to resort to same.