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Exactly so you should stop all references to your god immediately and until you can provide evidence of his existence.

I have provided writings of men that had no way to know what they wrote about at the time of the writing that is evidence they were inspired by a creator they got the information from the creator no other way to explain it.
Nostradamus "had no way to know what [he] wrote about" when he published almost 1000 predictions in the 16th century; and with him, as with your Bible "information from the creator" there is an explanation ... they made up some crap and sometimes they got lucky.

That's the end of it.

The fact of the matter is that the 101 Scientific Facts and Foreknowledge you submitted are transparent rationalizations, retarded non-sequiturs and lies. Setting aside the factitious meanings attributed to these "101 Scientific Facts," the fact that you COMPLETELY IGNORE the patently obvious instances where the divinely inspired "science" in the Bible is utterly, inexcusably, unambiguously, and irredeemably wrong is proof that the significance assigned to these "101 Scientific Facts" is (like the existence of this "Creator" of yours) ENTIRELY IMAGINARY--it's TEXAS SHARPSHOOTING and nothing else.

Come on now Nostradamus predictions were not near as clear.

And Nostradamus had no idea what he was describing and it was not near as clear as the bible predictions. He also had a chance to see what was going on in the world.

Not like the predictions made thousands of years in advance from the bible.
 
Yes I do ,I posted to make sure you do. Your side looks at evidence and then explain the evidence to fiot with the theory.
This is a lie. Christian Creationists fit their evidence to their preconceived conclusions, scientists fit their conclusions to the evidence.

We are human we don't like to admit wrong so we force things to fit our presuppositions.
The fact that Christian Creationists are human is not in dispute; neither is their dishonesty. Suggesting that all humans are as intellectually dishonest as you and your fellow Christian Creationists is just pathological projection.

That is exactly why theories are not factual because they have never seen it happen so we are back to believing something out of faith.
Wrong. Valid logic counts.

All people of science explain evidence to fit their presuppositions that is normal human behavior.
 
Mans arrogance will be his downfall? History is the proof? What historical events are you referencing?

Religious people really, really, really should not try to use history as evidence of why their ideology is superior. What did christianity bring the world? Everyone was totally ignorant and society failed to progress. It was like this for hundreds and hundreds of years. And then once people realized christianity was retarded we had the invention of things like physics and calculus and the modern society.

Look at all the communities that were destroyed By God and his army that have been confirmed through archaeology.
Archaeology has not confirmed in any manner that any community was ever "... destroyed By God and his army."

Archaeology has not confirmed in any manner that any "... powerful nations ... were ever reduced to nearly nothing..." by "... By God and his army."

What God? Certainly not this "God" of yours; your meaningless, imaginary creator of nothing, from whom nothing of value has ever issued--or could possibly have issued.

Israel admits that is what their downfall was several times.
Well, it's not as if they'd just admit that they are a bunch of superstitious retards, and THAT, as well as the retarded superstitions of their neighbors, are the actual reasons for all their troubles.

The thing is it was prophecide concerning Israel but it is also prophecide Israel and the middle east will bring on armageddon and what we see in the middle east sure looks like it is being set up right in front of our eyes.
Yes. Despite the fact they, like you, so tenaciously cling to their retarded superstition.

Faith is both intellectually and morally bankrupt ... it is faith--not reason--that causes all the trouble in the world; faith is the real root cause of all evil.

You need to look at biblical archaeology and stop being so foolish.
 
Come on now Nostradamus predictions were not near as clear.

And Nostradamus had no idea what he was describing and it was not near as clear as the bible predictions. He also had a chance to see what was going on in the world.

Not like the predictions made thousands of years in advance from the bible.
The fact of the matter is that the 101 Scientific Facts and Foreknowledge you submitted are transparent rationalizations, retarded non-sequiturs and lies. Setting aside the factitious meanings attributed to these "101 Scientific Facts," the fact that you COMPLETELY IGNORE the patently obvious instances where the divinely inspired "science" in the Bible is utterly, inexcusably, unambiguously, and irredeemably wrong is proof that the significance assigned to these "101 Scientific Facts" is (like the existence of this "Creator" of yours) ENTIRELY IMAGINARY--it's TEXAS SHARPSHOOTING and nothing else.
 
Yes I do ,I posted to make sure you do. Your side looks at evidence and then explain the evidence to fiot with the theory.
This is a lie. Christian Creationists fit their evidence to their preconceived conclusions, scientists fit their conclusions to the evidence.

The fact that Christian Creationists are human is not in dispute; neither is their dishonesty. Suggesting that all humans are as intellectually dishonest as you and your fellow Christian Creationists is just pathological projection.

That is exactly why theories are not factual because they have never seen it happen so we are back to believing something out of faith.
Wrong. Valid logic counts.

All people of science explain evidence to fit their presuppositions that is normal human behavior.
The fact that Christian Creationists are human is not in dispute; neither is their dishonesty. Suggesting that all humans are as intellectually dishonest as you and your fellow Christian Creationists is just pathological projection.
 
Look at all the communities that were destroyed By God and his army that have been confirmed through archaeology.
Archaeology has not confirmed in any manner that any community was ever "... destroyed By God and his army."

Archaeology has not confirmed in any manner that any "... powerful nations ... were ever reduced to nearly nothing..." by "... By God and his army."

What God? Certainly not this "God" of yours; your meaningless, imaginary creator of nothing, from whom nothing of value has ever issued--or could possibly have issued.

Well, it's not as if they'd just admit that they are a bunch of superstitious retards, and THAT, as well as the retarded superstitions of their neighbors, are the actual reasons for all their troubles.

The thing is it was prophecide concerning Israel but it is also prophecide Israel and the middle east will bring on armageddon and what we see in the middle east sure looks like it is being set up right in front of our eyes.
Yes. Despite the fact they, like you, so tenaciously cling to their retarded superstition.

Faith is both intellectually and morally bankrupt ... it is faith--not reason--that causes all the trouble in the world; faith is the real root cause of all evil.

You need to look at biblical archaeology and stop being so foolish.
You need to look into real archaeology performed by real archaeologists.

Real archaeology performed by real archaeologists (rather than Sunday School archaeology performed by intellectually dishonest Christian Creationist archaeologists) has not confirmed in any manner that any community was ever "... destroyed By God and his army."

Real archaeology performed by real archaeologists (rather than Sunday School archaeology performed by intellectually dishonest Christian Creationist archaeologists) has not confirmed in any manner that any "... powerful nations ... were ever reduced to nearly nothing..." by "... By God and his army."
 
"Theories are not factual".

Its almost like your scientific understand is that of an 8th grader. I remember when my 8th grade teacher had to make this distinction. Would you like to play student and teacher again?

Let me guess, you think science has some sort of rank like hypothesis < theories < laws/facts.

Buuuut no. A theory cannot ever be a fact. A theory is a framework that describes a collection of facts. This is fundamental to the understanding of why your argument on "observation" is flawed. The facts are the observations, and the theories describe those observations. You dont observe a theory for the same reason that a theory is not a fact.

Einsteins general theory of relativity was an attempt to describe why all mass attracts all other mass, essentially to explain gravity. That observation is the basic fact (along with some other facts that differentiate it from newtonian gravity). You observe two bodies exerting force on each other. The theory that einstein used to explain that observation was the curvature of spacetime. Einstein did not witness the curvature of spacetime, he witnessed the result of it.

In summation: theories are not facts, but that doesnt exactly bolster your argument. Theories are pretty useful, ever benefited from germ theory? In reality, it shows your basic misunderstanding of science, and why no one should take you seriously. Science doesnt claim that theories are facts, and no one is saying it does. Except maybe you.

Theories will never be fact because they are always finding errors with the theory. Theory will never be fact because they are only an opinion.

You never fail to show that your level of scientific understanding is below high school.

Really ? At the college level they reaffirm the scientific method.

Then you have not been paying attention junior.

And you only regurgitate what you have learned from wiki.
 
And in your mind all this is attributable to the bible? In reality most of it was common knowledge. The bible says you should quarantine diseased, and thats proof of the bible? The idea of sending away sick people, or locking a healthy family in the same house as one sick child, is almost eternal. To claim they originated from the bible is laughable.

Even so, the predictions are hardly impressive. Its almost instinctual to shy away from a sick person; you dont need have read the bible to avoid sick people.

Its amazing that you think the holy word of god is so great because it tells you to avoid sick people. Why not just mention penicillin? Your god seems like a retard...

Believe it or not that is where people got the idea of quarantine.

Because some were purposely struck with disease as punishment. But the innocent he them to be able to protect themselves.

People had to learn what was contagious and what was not contagious.

Why would I believe what I already know to be false? I will leave that to you since it seems to be your forte.

What do you know to be false ?
 
Theories will never be fact because they are always finding errors with the theory. Theory will never be fact because they are only an opinion.

You never fail to show that your level of scientific understanding is below high school.

Really ? At the college level they reaffirm the scientific method.

Then you have not been paying attention junior.

And you only regurgitate what you have learned from wiki.

LOL! How easily you get lost, what about the scientific method has to do with you not knowing what theories are? No one believes you took any college level science and the insults just show that I hit the mark.
 
Believe it or not that is where people got the idea of quarantine.

Because some were purposely struck with disease as punishment. But the innocent he them to be able to protect themselves.

People had to learn what was contagious and what was not contagious.

Why would I believe what I already know to be false? I will leave that to you since it seems to be your forte.

What do you know to be false ?

Look at your post and see what is false and then you will have your answer.
 
Look at all the communities that were destroyed By God and his army that have been confirmed through archaeology. Look at all the powerful nations that were reduced to nearly nothing.

Look what this nation is facing,if we continue to remove God from our society and the society will continue to crumble. Israel admits that is what their downfall was several times.

The thing is it was prophecide concerning Israel but it is also prophecide Israel and the middle east will bring on armageddon and what we see in the middle east sure looks like it is being set up right in front of our eyes.

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You stupid mother fucker. Your ignorant ilk is whats wrong with this world and why the rest of the world hates us. Of course the conflict in israel is a sign of the end times! Why would you ever think that you were just another idiot that thought the turn of the century would herald the apocalyse? People like you are driving this country off a cliff. We must maintain a constant military presence everywhere, especially the middle east, BECAUSE JESUS WILL BE BACK SOON! We cant let gay people marry each other because god will be sad and destroy us like sodom! We shouldnt teach what biologists write in textbooks, because what a goat herder wrote in your book disagrees with it!

OMFG!

Do you seriously think that god has destroyed civilizations?

Why doesnt he do it any more? Point me to the last civilization god destroyed. Why do you only claim god intervened in our world at times when humanity was ignorant enough to believe something like that? Doesnt it seem a little fishy to you that once humanity had become advanced enough to compile a factual history, all references to biblical intervention cease?

Yes he has destroyed communities. God stopped destroying communities because of the sacrifice of Christ.

The society that removes God from their society eventually crumbles.

The bible goes from creation to the final judgement and a new heaven and earth.

By the way did you get a chance to catch the Bill Orielly show ? Two years ago he had dawkins on and he asked him the dreaded question for evolutionist, yep you got it the origins of life question. Dawkins said we have no way to know the origins of life but we are working on it.

Tonight two years later he asked where are you now on the question how did life begin from non-life. Again Dawkins say's we simply have no explanation for the origins of life.

Dawkins does not accept any abiogenesis theory.

Why do you get so angry ? Why can't you have a civil conversation ?

And don't you dare try to use the excuse that evolutionist are not concerned with the origins of life question ,because that simply is a lie.


I get so angry because you just insinuated that the conflict in the middle east the beginning of the apocalypse. Your no better than the muslims that blow themselves up, and in fact your worse. Your happy that the world is careening off a cliff because you think its the time for christian salvation. Maybe when the world crumbles and you realize jesus hasnt come back, youll wake the fuck up.

No, god has not destroyed civilizations. The bible is not proof of the bible.
 
But you have to realize vocabularies of that time were not complete. They were not thourough enough to explain things the way we do today.

Science even has to be revamped to support new evidence but if the theory was wrong to begin with no matter how you explain it or add to it,it would still be wrong.

3,500 years ago man did not know nearly what we know today and that is my point what was written in the scriptures many of the things were not confirmed until today.

Man did not have the ability to see what was on the ocean floor or to see cells that make up the human body.

They didn't know what caused disease or anything about bacteria. But God gave them orders to put their waste outside of town or their camps.

The bible also said to avoid people with desease and quarantine them for the protection of the towns and villages and also taught how to make the unclean person become clean. It also described when a person was clean again.

There is so much evidence from the bible that goes ignored by secularlists.

And in your mind all this is attributable to the bible? In reality most of it was common knowledge. The bible says you should quarantine diseased, and thats proof of the bible? The idea of sending away sick people, or locking a healthy family in the same house as one sick child, is almost eternal. To claim they originated from the bible is laughable.

Even so, the predictions are hardly impressive. Its almost instinctual to shy away from a sick person; you dont need have read the bible to avoid sick people.

Its amazing that you think the holy word of god is so great because it tells you to avoid sick people. Why not just mention penicillin? Your god seems like a retard...

Believe it or not that is where people got the idea of quarantine.

Because some were purposely struck with disease as punishment. But the innocent he them to be able to protect themselves.

People had to learn what was contagious and what was not contagious.

No its not.

Can you prove that? Do you have absolutely any proof for that whatsoever? More likely it was common practice, and the writers of the bible included it because it was common practice. It goes back well before christ.
 
Yes I do ,I posted to make sure you do. Your side looks at evidence and then explain the evidence to fiot with the theory. We are human we don't like to admit wrong so we force things to fit our presuppositions.

That is exactly why theories are not factual because they have never seen it happen so we are back to believing something out of faith.

"Theories are not factual".

Its almost like your scientific understand is that of an 8th grader. I remember when my 8th grade teacher had to make this distinction. Would you like to play student and teacher again?

Let me guess, you think science has some sort of rank like hypothesis < theories < laws/facts.

Buuuut no. A theory cannot ever be a fact. A theory is a framework that describes a collection of facts. This is fundamental to the understanding of why your argument on "observation" is flawed. The facts are the observations, and the theories describe those observations. You dont observe a theory for the same reason that a theory is not a fact.

Einsteins general theory of relativity was an attempt to describe why all mass attracts all other mass, essentially to explain gravity. That observation is the basic fact (along with some other facts that differentiate it from newtonian gravity). You observe two bodies exerting force on each other. The theory that einstein used to explain that observation was the curvature of spacetime. Einstein did not witness the curvature of spacetime, he witnessed the result of it.

In summation: theories are not facts, but that doesnt exactly bolster your argument. Theories are pretty useful, ever benefited from germ theory? In reality, it shows your basic misunderstanding of science, and why no one should take you seriously. Science doesnt claim that theories are facts, and no one is saying it does. Except maybe you.

Theories will never be fact because they are always finding errors with the theory. Theory will never be fact because they are only an opinion.

No theories will never be facts because that is not their goal

The goal of a theory is to explain facts, therefore a theory cannot be a fact.
The goal of a theory is to explain facts, therefore a theory cannot be a fact.
The goal of a theory is to explain facts, therefore a theory cannot be a fact.
The goal of a theory is to explain facts, therefore a theory cannot be a fact.
The goal of a theory is to explain facts, therefore a theory cannot be a fact.
The goal of a theory is to explain facts, therefore a theory cannot be a fact.
The goal of a theory is to explain facts, therefore a theory cannot be a fact.
The goal of a theory is to explain facts, therefore a theory cannot be a fact.
The goal of a theory is to explain facts, therefore a theory cannot be a fact.
The goal of a theory is to explain facts, therefore a theory cannot be a fact.
The goal of a theory is to explain facts, therefore a theory cannot be a fact.
The goal of a theory is to explain facts, therefore a theory cannot be a fact.

Getit?

Theories explain facts. The theory of relativity explains gravity. Gravity is a fact, a simple observation. The theory is a framework that accurately describes that fact to the best of our knowledge.

Getit?
 
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Merry day-that-the-church-decided-jesus-was-born-and-that-was-originally-a-pagan-holiday, everybody!

Some Christians celebrate Christmas some do not. I personally believe that Jesus never said celebrate his birth but to celebrate his death.

That is when he saved you and I ,but it's up to you and I to appreciate him saving our lives if we want it.

Im not a big bible reader but i wouldnt expect to find jesus promoting any sort of annual holiday on his behalf. It would seem to me that all of those things are perversions of christianity and his teachings by the early church. Jesus would have deplored the modern day cult of personality that is the catholic church.
 
Theories will never be fact because they are always finding errors with the theory. Theory will never be fact because they are only an opinion.

You never fail to show that your level of scientific understanding is below high school.

Really ? At the college level they reaffirm the scientific method.

Then you have not been paying attention junior.

And you only regurgitate what you have learned from wiki.

Future is right.

Your understanding of the scientific method is laughable. A theory is an opinion so its not a fact? Thats a pretty simplistic understanding of it.

In reality its what ive been trying to tell you the whole time. Theories can never progress past a theory and to a fact, because that isnt their purpose. Germ theory is still a theory, even though i think we all agree that bacterial and viral infections can cause disease. In science you start with the facts, you make observations. From there you create a framework of ideas that describes those facts, called a theory. The theory explains the facts, i dont know how many more times i have to say it.
 
Believe it or not that is where people got the idea of quarantine.

Because some were purposely struck with disease as punishment. But the innocent he them to be able to protect themselves.

People had to learn what was contagious and what was not contagious.

O really? I just cant even believe it. There were outbreaks of bacteria and the idiots, not knowing that bacteria existed, decided that god must be punishing them. God does not give people bacterial infections or disease. Are you serious? How come god hasnt given anyone a disease since the discovery of bacteria? You realize that god isnt poofing Y. pestis into existence and giving it to people, right?? And that we understand how diseases spread?

Really, is this what the conversation has devolved to? You dont even take the word of science on bacteria and viruses? You think god gives people disease?

I want you and everyone like you to cease existing, immediately.
 
You never fail to show that your level of scientific understanding is below high school.

Really ? At the college level they reaffirm the scientific method.

Then you have not been paying attention junior.

And you only regurgitate what you have learned from wiki.

LOL! How easily you get lost, what about the scientific method has to do with you not knowing what theories are? No one believes you took any college level science and the insults just show that I hit the mark.

Well you can believe as you wish,the simple fact is you have not refuted anything I have said in this thread or any other thread that you come in and lob insults as rebuttals.

I know the scientific method all to well for you to pass off your B.S.

How many times must I post the equation showing you and your buddies are just educated idiots ?

Are you just a little sore that Dawkins even reveals the non-sense you believe ?

Believing that life came from non-life or intelligence came from non-intelligence just reveals how simple some of you really are.

Let me expose what you so called educated actually believe.

Random Mutation + Natural Selection + Time = Design.


Let's put you to the test and prove my point.

DNA is not just a molecule with a pattern, it is a code, a language, and an information storage mechanism.

Every code is created by a conscious mind, there is no natural process known to science that creates coded information.

Therefore DNA was designed by a mind.

I want you to provide an empirical example of a code or language that
occured naturally ?

Just show one.
 
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Believe it or not that is where people got the idea of quarantine.

Because some were purposely struck with disease as punishment. But the innocent he them to be able to protect themselves.

People had to learn what was contagious and what was not contagious.

O really? I just cant even believe it. There were outbreaks of bacteria and the idiots, not knowing that bacteria existed, decided that god must be punishing them. God does not give people bacterial infections or disease. Are you serious? How come god hasnt given anyone a disease since the discovery of bacteria? You realize that god isnt poofing Y. pestis into existence and giving it to people, right?? And that we understand how diseases spread?

Really, is this what the conversation has devolved to? You dont even take the word of science on bacteria and viruses? You think god gives people disease?

I want you and everyone like you to cease existing, immediately.

Of course you do you are an Ideologue.
 
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You stupid mother fucker. Your ignorant ilk is whats wrong with this world and why the rest of the world hates us. Of course the conflict in israel is a sign of the end times! Why would you ever think that you were just another idiot that thought the turn of the century would herald the apocalyse? People like you are driving this country off a cliff. We must maintain a constant military presence everywhere, especially the middle east, BECAUSE JESUS WILL BE BACK SOON! We cant let gay people marry each other because god will be sad and destroy us like sodom! We shouldnt teach what biologists write in textbooks, because what a goat herder wrote in your book disagrees with it!

OMFG!

Do you seriously think that god has destroyed civilizations?

Why doesnt he do it any more? Point me to the last civilization god destroyed. Why do you only claim god intervened in our world at times when humanity was ignorant enough to believe something like that? Doesnt it seem a little fishy to you that once humanity had become advanced enough to compile a factual history, all references to biblical intervention cease?

Yes he has destroyed communities. God stopped destroying communities because of the sacrifice of Christ.

The society that removes God from their society eventually crumbles.

The bible goes from creation to the final judgement and a new heaven and earth.

By the way did you get a chance to catch the Bill Orielly show ? Two years ago he had dawkins on and he asked him the dreaded question for evolutionist, yep you got it the origins of life question. Dawkins said we have no way to know the origins of life but we are working on it.

Tonight two years later he asked where are you now on the question how did life begin from non-life. Again Dawkins say's we simply have no explanation for the origins of life.

Dawkins does not accept any abiogenesis theory.

Why do you get so angry ? Why can't you have a civil conversation ?

And don't you dare try to use the excuse that evolutionist are not concerned with the origins of life question ,because that simply is a lie.


I get so angry because you just insinuated that the conflict in the middle east the beginning of the apocalypse. Your no better than the muslims that blow themselves up, and in fact your worse. Your happy that the world is careening off a cliff because you think its the time for christian salvation. Maybe when the world crumbles and you realize jesus hasnt come back, youll wake the fuck up.

No, god has not destroyed civilizations. The bible is not proof of the bible.

No I am not happy about death one bit, but it has to happen before it stops permanently.

I think the bible is a trusted source and have spent many years studying it.

If man had the answers to mans problems don't you think it would have been resolved by now ?

But hey if you must talk like you do go ahead and get it out,it just shows you don't have much of an argument and you are a bitter person.
 
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