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I am apathetic about creationism being taught in schools, so long as they teach evolution alongside it. Most of the children will realize mud people made in seven days is far worse an explanation; than non-life turning into life and then through the process of hundreds of millions of years leading to mankind.
I'm really much more emphatic that religion -undo the guise of creationism -has no place in public schools. What is really dangerous is the attitudes of the two primary science loathing fundie creationists in this thread who would want creationism (Christian creationism) taught as an alternative to real science. I don't want kids being dumbed-down and taught ancient superstitions in place of science because we live in a world of technology and we need critical thinkers in order to survive in this world. The USA is painfully unscientific enough as it is, and churning out generation after generation of dreamy-eyed creationist knuckleheads condemns us to a horrible fate of an also-ran. This is the kind of "Father Knows Best" nation we were in during the 1950's when suddenly Russia started sailing Sputniks over our heads and believe meI know from my grand-dad that fear then was riveting. Now, the goofy creationists want us to go back into that womb of ignorance? I think not. This is a technological world and we better be up on it, or we'll be the peasants running around with decaying weapons, not knowing how to fix or use them, and running around stone icons and trampling one another to death to worship our rocks. I want the USA strong in science because I want the USA strong. So keep religion where it belongs-- in the Dark Ages and let our kids learn science based upon knowledge and rational thought processes.
I am apathetic about creationism being taught in schools, so long as they teach evolution alongside it. Most of the children will realize mud people made in seven days is far worse an explanation; than non-life turning into life and then through the process of hundreds of millions of years leading to mankind.
Your anti- science, pro-superstition worldview is precisely what should not be inflicted on public schools.I am apathetic about creationism being taught in schools, so long as they teach evolution alongside it. Most of the children will realize mud people made in seven days is far worse an explanation; than non-life turning into life and then through the process of hundreds of millions of years leading to mankind.
I'm really much more emphatic that religion -undo the guise of creationism -has no place in public schools. What is really dangerous is the attitudes of the two primary science loathing fundie creationists in this thread who would want creationism (Christian creationism) taught as an alternative to real science. I don't want kids being dumbed-down and taught ancient superstitions in place of science because we live in a world of technology and we need critical thinkers in order to survive in this world. The USA is painfully unscientific enough as it is, and churning out generation after generation of dreamy-eyed creationist knuckleheads condemns us to a horrible fate of an also-ran. This is the kind of "Father Knows Best" nation we were in during the 1950's when suddenly Russia started sailing Sputniks over our heads and believe meI know from my grand-dad that fear then was riveting. Now, the goofy creationists want us to go back into that womb of ignorance? I think not. This is a technological world and we better be up on it, or we'll be the peasants running around with decaying weapons, not knowing how to fix or use them, and running around stone icons and trampling one another to death to worship our rocks. I want the USA strong in science because I want the USA strong. So keep religion where it belongs-- in the Dark Ages and let our kids learn science based upon knowledge and rational thought processes.
Many theories being taught in school have no business being taught in school's or atleast in science classes because they were not built by the scientific method. You know,the old test ,study,and observe method.
Maybe creationism and evolution should be taught in philosophy classes not science classes because you can't prove macroevolution and I can't prove God exists. I do believe ID however is more scientific then both.
I am apathetic about creationism being taught in schools, so long as they teach evolution alongside it. Most of the children will realize mud people made in seven days is far worse an explanation; than non-life turning into life and then through the process of hundreds of millions of years leading to mankind.
Neither theory should be taught as science both lack solid proof. Conjecture does not validate a theory.
Your anti- science, pro-superstition worldview is precisely what should not be inflicted on public schools.I'm really much more emphatic that religion -undo the guise of creationism -has no place in public schools. What is really dangerous is the attitudes of the two primary science loathing fundie creationists in this thread who would want creationism (Christian creationism) taught as an alternative to real science. I don't want kids being dumbed-down and taught ancient superstitions in place of science because we live in a world of technology and we need critical thinkers in order to survive in this world. The USA is painfully unscientific enough as it is, and churning out generation after generation of dreamy-eyed creationist knuckleheads condemns us to a horrible fate of an also-ran. This is the kind of "Father Knows Best" nation we were in during the 1950's when suddenly Russia started sailing Sputniks over our heads and believe meI know from my grand-dad that fear then was riveting. Now, the goofy creationists want us to go back into that womb of ignorance? I think not. This is a technological world and we better be up on it, or we'll be the peasants running around with decaying weapons, not knowing how to fix or use them, and running around stone icons and trampling one another to death to worship our rocks. I want the USA strong in science because I want the USA strong. So keep religion where it belongs-- in the Dark Ages and let our kids learn science based upon knowledge and rational thought processes.
Many theories being taught in school have no business being taught in school's or atleast in science classes because they were not built by the scientific method. You know,the old test ,study,and observe method.
Maybe creationism and evolution should be taught in philosophy classes not science classes because you can't prove macroevolution and I can't prove God exists. I do believe ID however is more scientific then both.
Fortunately, the court system has a history of keeping your superstitious nonsense out of the school system.
I am apathetic about creationism being taught in schools, so long as they teach evolution alongside it. Most of the children will realize mud people made in seven days is far worse an explanation; than non-life turning into life and then through the process of hundreds of millions of years leading to mankind.
Neither theory should be taught as science both lack solid proof. Conjecture does not validate a theory.
Clueless.
It's a shame that you have no issue with lies and deceit when it serves your religious agenda.Your anti- science, pro-superstition worldview is precisely what should not be inflicted on public schools.Many theories being taught in school have no business being taught in school's or atleast in science classes because they were not built by the scientific method. You know,the old test ,study,and observe method.
Maybe creationism and evolution should be taught in philosophy classes not science classes because you can't prove macroevolution and I can't prove God exists. I do believe ID however is more scientific then both.
Fortunately, the court system has a history of keeping your superstitious nonsense out of the school system.
Blah Blah Blah.
Face reality you can't prove your philosophical views nor can I you have demonstrated that as a fact.
If you are not intelligent enough to admit that you are just a fool.
Neither theory should be taught as science both lack solid proof. Conjecture does not validate a theory.
Clueless.
You poor dear,yes you are.
Oh you poor, angry fundie creationist. Naturalism is not a religion. You may be told differently at Harun Yahya. I also find it comical to be lectured about logic from someone who trembles in fear before s host of ancient superstitions.
Oh you poor mental midget. As usual you didn't address the argument!!! In addition to being incredibly evil, you're response, or lack thereof, reveals some deep, psychological disorders. That would explain you being on disability and using taxpayer dollars to sit home eating Oreo's, watching Oprah, and attacking folks of all religions via your computer. It's pretty obvious you don't have a job.
Please back your statement that nature doesn't produce extreme precision-precision that can launch a spacecraft perfectly timed to reach the moon or mars. Are you saying this precision in items homo sapien creates come from something other than nature? Instead of just making attacks, why not attempt a thoughtful response of your own that you can't cut and paste from an atheist website?
The real result of your response if you are truthful will reveal that even you, in all your glorious ignorance, can recognize design when you see it. Because after all, we know that spaceships, music, consciousness, and computers just come from natural selection acting on random mutations.
Oh you poor angry fundie. Here you are again flailing about in desperate attempts to thrash people with your gods and the gods are not cooperating. Like the other fundie, you have taken up the mantra of precision in nature yet you are hopelessly inadequate in terms of demonstrating these gods you insist are directing this precision. "Precision in nature" is something you no doubt found on Harun Yahya but why do you think anyone else would take that nonsense seriously?
I hadn't realized that it was actually nature that launches spacecraft with such precision. What I do realize is that you and the other bible beater are more and more detached from reality than you realize. The amount of time you spend cutting and pasting from Harun Yahya is definately a waste of everyone's time.
Natural order certainly is not, and does not provide evidence of your claimed supernatural, supermagical "designers". The existense of patterns we see in nature does not indicate a personality or an intent. That is something you are assigning to it. That would be like saying a tornado has the intent to hit one house and by pass another. I suppose your designer gods are then directing this "precision". Chaos patterns (fractals) are considered self created.
Suggesting chaos or god has any sort of intent is asserted by you, so now once again the onus for proving such intent rests solely with you. I do not assert nor embrace the idea that patterns (out of chaos or not) is in anyway intelligently directed. Chaos is not a personalized spirit or entity with intelligence. It is a force of nature with no specific plan. I understand you are slack-jawed and dumbfounded with disbelief that more complexity can arise out of simpler constructs, and I know you ascribe that dynamic to the interference of one or more gods. But there you stop, and that makes no sense.
Chemistry. Simpler atoms combine to create more complex substances. Biology. An aggregate of simpler cells working in conjunction with one another to create a more complicated organism.
By what authority do you exempt the gods from the very discipline you insist must be in effect for all existence? It's an old counter argument, but its one the theist cannot solve. You cannot demand a standard for all of existence, and then exempt something that is in existence of the very standard you insist must be applied to all things. You still have offered nothing to indicate how your particular designer gods were designed by the required hierarchy of super-super magical gods who in turn were designed by super-super-super.....
I'll answer for you: The gods didi it
So it then must be that all the gods that have been claimed to exist prior to your gods were designed by... how many other gods?
Oh you poor mental midget. As usual you didn't address the argument!!! In addition to being incredibly evil, you're response, or lack thereof, reveals some deep, psychological disorders. That would explain you being on disability and using taxpayer dollars to sit home eating Oreo's, watching Oprah, and attacking folks of all religions via your computer. It's pretty obvious you don't have a job.
Please back your statement that nature doesn't produce extreme precision-precision that can launch a spacecraft perfectly timed to reach the moon or mars. Are you saying this precision in items homo sapien creates come from something other than nature? Instead of just making attacks, why not attempt a thoughtful response of your own that you can't cut and paste from an atheist website?
The real result of your response if you are truthful will reveal that even you, in all your glorious ignorance, can recognize design when you see it. Because after all, we know that spaceships, music, consciousness, and computers just come from natural selection acting on random mutations.
Oh you poor angry fundie. Here you are again flailing about in desperate attempts to thrash people with your gods and the gods are not cooperating. Like the other fundie, you have taken up the mantra of precision in nature yet you are hopelessly inadequate in terms of demonstrating these gods you insist are directing this precision. "Precision in nature" is something you no doubt found on Harun Yahya but why do you think anyone else would take that nonsense seriously?
I hadn't realized that it was actually nature that launches spacecraft with such precision. What I do realize is that you and the other bible beater are more and more detached from reality than you realize. The amount of time you spend cutting and pasting from Harun Yahya is definately a waste of everyone's time.
Natural order certainly is not, and does not provide evidence of your claimed supernatural, supermagical "designers". The existense of patterns we see in nature does not indicate a personality or an intent. That is something you are assigning to it. That would be like saying a tornado has the intent to hit one house and by pass another. I suppose your designer gods are then directing this "precision". Chaos patterns (fractals) are considered self created.
Suggesting chaos or god has any sort of intent is asserted by you, so now once again the onus for proving such intent rests solely with you. I do not assert nor embrace the idea that patterns (out of chaos or not) is in anyway intelligently directed. Chaos is not a personalized spirit or entity with intelligence. It is a force of nature with no specific plan. I understand you are slack-jawed and dumbfounded with disbelief that more complexity can arise out of simpler constructs, and I know you ascribe that dynamic to the interference of one or more gods. But there you stop, and that makes no sense.
Chemistry. Simpler atoms combine to create more complex substances. Biology. An aggregate of simpler cells working in conjunction with one another to create a more complicated organism.
By what authority do you exempt the gods from the very discipline you insist must be in effect for all existence? It's an old counter argument, but its one the theist cannot solve. You cannot demand a standard for all of existence, and then exempt something that is in existence of the very standard you insist must be applied to all things. You still have offered nothing to indicate how your particular designer gods were designed by the required hierarchy of super-super magical gods who in turn were designed by super-super-super.....
I'll answer for you: The gods didi it
So it then must be that all the gods that have been claimed to exist prior to your gods were designed by... how many other gods?
Same tired argument refuted numerous times. You need to get some new material from Wil Provines website you poor vicious Christian hater.
I am apathetic about creationism being taught in schools, so long as they teach evolution alongside it. Most of the children will realize mud people made in seven days is far worse an explanation; than non-life turning into life and then through the process of hundreds of millions of years leading to mankind.
I'm really much more emphatic that religion -undo the guise of creationism -has no place in public schools. What is really dangerous is the attitudes of the two primary science loathing fundie creationists in this thread who would want creationism (Christian creationism) taught as an alternative to real science. I don't want kids being dumbed-down and taught ancient superstitions in place of science because we live in a world of technology and we need critical thinkers in order to survive in this world. The USA is painfully unscientific enough as it is, and churning out generation after generation of dreamy-eyed creationist knuckleheads condemns us to a horrible fate of an also-ran. This is the kind of "Father Knows Best" nation we were in during the 1950's when suddenly Russia started sailing Sputniks over our heads and believe meI know from my grand-dad that fear then was riveting. Now, the goofy creationists want us to go back into that womb of ignorance? I think not. This is a technological world and we better be up on it, or we'll be the peasants running around with decaying weapons, not knowing how to fix or use them, and running around stone icons and trampling one another to death to worship our rocks. I want the USA strong in science because I want the USA strong. So keep religion where it belongs-- in the Dark Ages and let our kids learn science based upon knowledge and rational thought processes.
Oh you poor angry fundie. Here you are again flailing about in desperate attempts to thrash people with your gods and the gods are not cooperating. Like the other fundie, you have taken up the mantra of precision in nature yet you are hopelessly inadequate in terms of demonstrating these gods you insist are directing this precision. "Precision in nature" is something you no doubt found on Harun Yahya but why do you think anyone else would take that nonsense seriously?
I hadn't realized that it was actually nature that launches spacecraft with such precision. What I do realize is that you and the other bible beater are more and more detached from reality than you realize. The amount of time you spend cutting and pasting from Harun Yahya is definately a waste of everyone's time.
Natural order certainly is not, and does not provide evidence of your claimed supernatural, supermagical "designers". The existense of patterns we see in nature does not indicate a personality or an intent. That is something you are assigning to it. That would be like saying a tornado has the intent to hit one house and by pass another. I suppose your designer gods are then directing this "precision". Chaos patterns (fractals) are considered self created.
Suggesting chaos or god has any sort of intent is asserted by you, so now once again the onus for proving such intent rests solely with you. I do not assert nor embrace the idea that patterns (out of chaos or not) is in anyway intelligently directed. Chaos is not a personalized spirit or entity with intelligence. It is a force of nature with no specific plan. I understand you are slack-jawed and dumbfounded with disbelief that more complexity can arise out of simpler constructs, and I know you ascribe that dynamic to the interference of one or more gods. But there you stop, and that makes no sense.
Chemistry. Simpler atoms combine to create more complex substances. Biology. An aggregate of simpler cells working in conjunction with one another to create a more complicated organism.
By what authority do you exempt the gods from the very discipline you insist must be in effect for all existence? It's an old counter argument, but its one the theist cannot solve. You cannot demand a standard for all of existence, and then exempt something that is in existence of the very standard you insist must be applied to all things. You still have offered nothing to indicate how your particular designer gods were designed by the required hierarchy of super-super magical gods who in turn were designed by super-super-super.....
I'll answer for you: The gods didi it
So it then must be that all the gods that have been claimed to exist prior to your gods were designed by... how many other gods?
Same tired argument refuted numerous times. You need to get some new material from Wil Provines website you poor vicious Christian hater.
Back to stuttering and mumbling, thumpy.
You're useless when you can't copy and paste from Harun Yahya.
Same tired argument refuted numerous times. You need to get some new material from Wil Provines website you poor vicious Christian hater.
Back to stuttering and mumbling, thumpy.
You're useless when you can't copy and paste from Harun Yahya.
A logical thought does not exist in you unless you can cut and paste from Wil Provine.
JI am apathetic about creationism being taught in schools, so long as they teach evolution alongside it. Most of the children will realize mud people made in seven days is far worse an explanation; than non-life turning into life and then through the process of hundreds of millions of years leading to mankind.
I'm really much more emphatic that religion -undo the guise of creationism -has no place in public schools. What is really dangerous is the attitudes of the two primary science loathing fundie creationists in this thread who would want creationism (Christian creationism) taught as an alternative to real science. I don't want kids being dumbed-down and taught ancient superstitions in place of science because we live in a world of technology and we need critical thinkers in order to survive in this world. The USA is painfully unscientific enough as it is, and churning out generation after generation of dreamy-eyed creationist knuckleheads condemns us to a horrible fate of an also-ran. This is the kind of "Father Knows Best" nation we were in during the 1950's when suddenly Russia started sailing Sputniks over our heads and believe meI know from my grand-dad that fear then was riveting. Now, the goofy creationists want us to go back into that womb of ignorance? I think not. This is a technological world and we better be up on it, or we'll be the peasants running around with decaying weapons, not knowing how to fix or use them, and running around stone icons and trampling one another to death to worship our rocks. I want the USA strong in science because I want the USA strong. So keep religion where it belongs-- in the Dark Ages and let our kids learn science based upon knowledge and rational thought processes.
US Darwinists (US ranked 14th) wail over South Korea (ranked 1st), supposedly not able to compete | Uncommon Descent
JI'm really much more emphatic that religion -undo the guise of creationism -has no place in public schools. What is really dangerous is the attitudes of the two primary science loathing fundie creationists in this thread who would want creationism (Christian creationism) taught as an alternative to real science. I don't want kids being dumbed-down and taught ancient superstitions in place of science because we live in a world of technology and we need critical thinkers in order to survive in this world. The USA is painfully unscientific enough as it is, and churning out generation after generation of dreamy-eyed creationist knuckleheads condemns us to a horrible fate of an also-ran. This is the kind of "Father Knows Best" nation we were in during the 1950's when suddenly Russia started sailing Sputniks over our heads and believe meI know from my grand-dad that fear then was riveting. Now, the goofy creationists want us to go back into that womb of ignorance? I think not. This is a technological world and we better be up on it, or we'll be the peasants running around with decaying weapons, not knowing how to fix or use them, and running around stone icons and trampling one another to death to worship our rocks. I want the USA strong in science because I want the USA strong. So keep religion where it belongs-- in the Dark Ages and let our kids learn science based upon knowledge and rational thought processes.
US Darwinists (US ranked 14th) wail over South Korea (ranked 1st), supposedly not able to compete | Uncommon Descent
Not surprisingly, you have only one option - cut and paste from creationist websites.
You poor thumpy bible beater.
Why do you bother wasting your time by posting such cut and paste nonsense.
Not surprisingly, you have only one option - cut and paste from creationist websites.
You poor thumpy bible beater.
A cut and paste which totally proved you wrong.
Same tired argument refuted numerous times.
It's a shame that you have no issue with lies and deceit when it serves your religious agenda.Your anti- science, pro-superstition worldview is precisely what should not be inflicted on public schools.
Fortunately, the court system has a history of keeping your superstitious nonsense out of the school system.
Blah Blah Blah.
Face reality you can't prove your philosophical views nor can I you have demonstrated that as a fact.
If you are not intelligent enough to admit that you are just a fool.
The methods and discipline of science have been explained to you. You choose to reject the science facts of the natural world. Instead, you continue to lie when it is in furtherance of your religious superstitions.
Same tired argument refuted numerous times.
Link?
Prediction:
You sweeping miss the point when you propose that Christian creationism even remotely approaches any principle of science. IIt's a shame that you have no issue with lies and deceit when it serves your religious agenda.Blah Blah Blah.
Face reality you can't prove your philosophical views nor can I you have demonstrated that as a fact.
If you are not intelligent enough to admit that you are just a fool.
The methods and discipline of science have been explained to you. You choose to reject the science facts of the natural world. Instead, you continue to lie when it is in furtherance of your religious superstitions.
Wrong I don't reject real science and I gave you those priciples of real science. Lie about what ?
