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[UltimateReality]

Surprising truth from the revisionist Wikipedia!!

Nazi attitudes towards Christianity

Many Nazis promoted positive Christianity, a militant, non-denominational form of Christianity which viewed Christ as an active fighter and anti-semite who opposed the institutionalized Judaism of his day.[38] Even in the later years of the Third Reich, many Protestant and Catholic clergy within Germany persisted in believing that Nazism was in its essence in accordance with Christian precepts.[39]

The Nazi leadership made use of both Christian symbolism, indigenous Germanic pagan imagery, and ancient Roman symbolism in their propaganda. However, the use of pagan symbolism worried some Protestants.[40] Many Nazi leaders, including Adolf Hitler,[41] subscribed either to a mixture of pseudoscientific theories, particularly Social Darwinism,[42] or to mysticism and occultism, which was especially strong in the SS.[citation needed] Central to both groupings was the belief in Germanic (white Northern-European) racial superiority. The existence of a Ministry of Church Affairs, instituted in 1935 and headed by Hanns Kerrl, was hardly recognized by ideologists such as Alfred Rosenberg or by other political decision-makers.[citation needed]

In a confidential message to the Gauleiter on June 9, 1941, Martin Bormann, had declared that "National Socialism and Christianity are irreconcilable."[43] He also declared that the Churches influence in the leadership of the people "must absolutely and finally be broken." Bormann believed Nazism was based on a "scientific" world-view, and was completely incompatible with Christianity.[43] Bormann stated: [UR: Hawly would have been a good little Nazi, especially if she could gas Christians and Jews together]

When we National Socialists speak of belief in God, we do not mean, like the naive Christians and their spiritual exploiters, a man-like being sitting around somewhere in the universe. The force governed by natural law by which all these countless planets move in the universe, we call omnipotence or God. The assertion that this universal force can trouble itself about the destiny of each individual being, every smallest earthly bacillus, can be influenced by so-called prayers or other surprising things, depends upon a requisite dose of naivety or else upon shameless professional self-interest.[44]

Hmm, sounds alarmingly like Hawly!!!

Sounds like every one of your posts is a desperate plea for my attention.. It seems your every post is spent stalking me, you sad, desperate, Christian black hole of need and want.

Odd how the fundie Christian is trying to divorce christianity from Nazi ideology when that ideology was deeply rooted in christianity.

Typical revisionist nonsense from my creepy stalker.

More parrotting. Hawly want a cracker?

 

[UltimateReality]

It seems the revisionist Christian is hoping to undermine the role of historical christianity as promoted by the Nazi party.

Hitler's Christianity

Hitler's Christianity

To deny the influence of Christianity on Hitler and its role in World War II, means that you must ignore history and forever bar yourself from understanding the source of German anti-Semitism and how the WWII atrocities occurred.

By using historical evidence of Hitler's and his henchmen's own words, this section aims to show how mixing religion with politics can cause conflicts, not only against religion but against government and its people. This site, in no way, condones Nazism, Neo-Nazism, fascist governments, or anti-Semitism, but instead, warns against them.


Hitler's religious beliefs and fanaticism (quotes from Mein Kampf) Hitler wrote: "I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.." As a boy, Hitler attended to the Catholic church and experienced the anti-Semitic attitude of his culture. In his book, Mein Kampf, Hitler reveals himself as a fanatical believer in God and country. This text presents selected quotes from the infamous anti-Semite himself.

Hitler's religious beliefs and fanaticism




The Christianity of Hitler revealed in his speeches and proclamations

Compiled by Jim Walker Originated: 27 Feb. 1997 Additions: 03 Jun. 2006

Through subterfuge and concealment, many of today's Church leaders and faithful Christians have camouflaged the Christianity of Adolf Hitler and have attempted to mark him an atheist, a pagan cult worshipper, or a false Christian. However, from the earliest formation of the Nazi party and throughout the period of conquest and growth, Hitler expressed his Christian support to the German citizenry and soldiers. In the 1920s, Hitler's German Workers' Party (pre Nazi term) adopted a "Programme" with twenty-five points (the Nazi version of a constitution). In point twenty-four, their intent clearly demonstrates, from the very beginning, their stand in favor of a "positive" Christianity:

24. We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate against the morality and moral sense of the German race. The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity,but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession. It combats the Jewish-materialist spirit within and without us, and is convinced that our nation can achieve permanent health from within only on the principle: the common interest before self-interest.

Hitler's speeches and proclamations, even more clearly, reveal his faith and feelings toward a Christianized Germany. Nazism presents an embarrassment to Christianity and demonstrates the danger of faith. The following words from Hitler show his disdain for atheism, and pagan cults, and reveals the strength of his Christian feelings:

Hitler's Christianity

Figures you would cut and paste from an Atheist website. You believe this revisionist propaganda because it supports your worldview, a worldview that leads to murder, intolerance, and eugenics. Some other articles from "nobeliefs.com":

Letting go of God

The War on Christmas

Be pro Choice

Problems with Creationism

And my personal favorite revisionist bull do do:

The United States in not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion

 

[Youwerecreated]

This is very ignorant statement. We have evidence the earth exists. How it happened, not that it happened, is the question.

Says the guy who thinks we were made by his god without any proof whatsoever of said god. Geez, what a dooffus you are.

The mechanisms for how planets form doesn't require the mysticism, mumbo jumbo and supermagical "poofing" into existence that Christian creationists rattle on about.

HubbleSite - Discovering Planets Beyond - How Do Planets Form?


Does anyone have some paper shuffling that the gawds can do? Their job description is being down-sized.

Oh great another theory that lacks observation.

 

[Hollie]

More parrotting. Hawly want a cracker?

Well really, who is parrotting when your only ability at responding is to cut and paste the same mindless drivel.

Quite a paradox for fundie christians. Their revisionist history hoping to uncouple christianity from Nazi ideology is a bust.

 

[Hollie]

Says the guy who thinks we were made by his god without any proof whatsoever of said god. Geez, what a dooffus you are.

The mechanisms for how planets form doesn't require the mysticism, mumbo jumbo and supermagical "poofing" into existence that Christian creationists rattle on about.

HubbleSite - Discovering Planets Beyond - How Do Planets Form?


Does anyone have some paper shuffling that the gawds can do? Their job description is being down-sized.

Oh great another theory that lacks observation.

Yet again the Christian fundies simply have no clue.

Astronomers Spot Birth Of Alien Planet for First Time | Exoplanets & Alien Solar Systems | Planet Formation & Keck Observatory | Space.com

 

[Hollie]

It seems the revisionist Christian is hoping to undermine the role of historical christianity as promoted by the Nazi party.

Hitler's Christianity

Hitler's Christianity

To deny the influence of Christianity on Hitler and its role in World War II, means that you must ignore history and forever bar yourself from understanding the source of German anti-Semitism and how the WWII atrocities occurred.

By using historical evidence of Hitler's and his henchmen's own words, this section aims to show how mixing religion with politics can cause conflicts, not only against religion but against government and its people. This site, in no way, condones Nazism, Neo-Nazism, fascist governments, or anti-Semitism, but instead, warns against them.


Hitler's religious beliefs and fanaticism (quotes from Mein Kampf) Hitler wrote: "I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.." As a boy, Hitler attended to the Catholic church and experienced the anti-Semitic attitude of his culture. In his book, Mein Kampf, Hitler reveals himself as a fanatical believer in God and country. This text presents selected quotes from the infamous anti-Semite himself.

Hitler's religious beliefs and fanaticism




The Christianity of Hitler revealed in his speeches and proclamations

Compiled by Jim Walker Originated: 27 Feb. 1997 Additions: 03 Jun. 2006

Through subterfuge and concealment, many of today's Church leaders and faithful Christians have camouflaged the Christianity of Adolf Hitler and have attempted to mark him an atheist, a pagan cult worshipper, or a false Christian. However, from the earliest formation of the Nazi party and throughout the period of conquest and growth, Hitler expressed his Christian support to the German citizenry and soldiers. In the 1920s, Hitler's German Workers' Party (pre Nazi term) adopted a "Programme" with twenty-five points (the Nazi version of a constitution). In point twenty-four, their intent clearly demonstrates, from the very beginning, their stand in favor of a "positive" Christianity:

24. We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate against the morality and moral sense of the German race. The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity,but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession. It combats the Jewish-materialist spirit within and without us, and is convinced that our nation can achieve permanent health from within only on the principle: the common interest before self-interest.

Hitler's speeches and proclamations, even more clearly, reveal his faith and feelings toward a Christianized Germany. Nazism presents an embarrassment to Christianity and demonstrates the danger of faith. The following words from Hitler show his disdain for atheism, and pagan cults, and reveals the strength of his Christian feelings:

Hitler's Christianity

Figures you would cut and paste from an Atheist website. You believe this revisionist propaganda because it supports your worldview, a worldview that leads to murder, intolerance, and eugenics. Some other articles from "nobeliefs.com":

Letting go of God

The War on Christmas

Be pro Choice

Problems with Creationism

And my personal favorite revisionist bull do do:

The United States in not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion

As usual, when your attempts at revising historical christianity are shown to be a hoax, you're forced to spam as an effort to defend your lies.

So we're to believe that you're retreating into CDS?

This is not the place for your bible thumping. You need to find a circus tent for that.

 

[Youwerecreated]

The mechanisms for how planets form doesn't require the mysticism, mumbo jumbo and supermagical "poofing" into existence that Christian creationists rattle on about.

HubbleSite - Discovering Planets Beyond - How Do Planets Form?


Does anyone have some paper shuffling that the gawds can do? Their job description is being down-sized.

Oh great another theory that lacks observation.

Yet again the Christian fundies simply have no clue.

Astronomers Spot Birth Of Alien Planet for First Time | Exoplanets & Alien Solar Systems | Planet Formation & Keck Observatory | Space.com

Go back and read your copy and paste job and point out where it say's this was observed forming ?

The theory says that dust clouds collapse to become a star, but the process has not been observed.

 

[ima]

Says the guy who thinks we were made by his god without any proof whatsoever of said god. Geez, what a dooffus you are.

The mechanisms for how planets form doesn't require the mysticism, mumbo jumbo and supermagical "poofing" into existence that Christian creationists rattle on about.

HubbleSite - Discovering Planets Beyond - How Do Planets Form?


Does anyone have some paper shuffling that the gawds can do? Their job description is being down-sized.

Oh great another theory that lacks observation.

So does this mean that you've observed your god making the earth? or does your theory lack observation as well?

 

[Hollie]

Oh great another theory that lacks observation.

Yet again the Christian fundies simply have no clue.

Astronomers Spot Birth Of Alien Planet for First Time | Exoplanets & Alien Solar Systems | Planet Formation & Keck Observatory | Space.com

Go back and read your copy and paste job and point out where it say's this was observed forming ?

The theory says that dust clouds collapse to become a star, but the process has not been observed.

I read the article prior to posting the link. You need to read the text and try to move past your religiously inspired biases, hatred of science and retrograde ideology.

 

[UltimateReality]

It seems the revisionist Christian is hoping to undermine the role of historical christianity as promoted by the Nazi party.

Hitler's Christianity

Hitler's Christianity

To deny the influence of Christianity on Hitler and its role in World War II, means that you must ignore history and forever bar yourself from understanding the source of German anti-Semitism and how the WWII atrocities occurred.

By using historical evidence of Hitler's and his henchmen's own words, this section aims to show how mixing religion with politics can cause conflicts, not only against religion but against government and its people. This site, in no way, condones Nazism, Neo-Nazism, fascist governments, or anti-Semitism, but instead, warns against them.


Hitler's religious beliefs and fanaticism (quotes from Mein Kampf) Hitler wrote: "I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.." As a boy, Hitler attended to the Catholic church and experienced the anti-Semitic attitude of his culture. In his book, Mein Kampf, Hitler reveals himself as a fanatical believer in God and country. This text presents selected quotes from the infamous anti-Semite himself.

Hitler's religious beliefs and fanaticism




The Christianity of Hitler revealed in his speeches and proclamations

Compiled by Jim Walker Originated: 27 Feb. 1997 Additions: 03 Jun. 2006

Through subterfuge and concealment, many of today's Church leaders and faithful Christians have camouflaged the Christianity of Adolf Hitler and have attempted to mark him an atheist, a pagan cult worshipper, or a false Christian. However, from the earliest formation of the Nazi party and throughout the period of conquest and growth, Hitler expressed his Christian support to the German citizenry and soldiers. In the 1920s, Hitler's German Workers' Party (pre Nazi term) adopted a "Programme" with twenty-five points (the Nazi version of a constitution). In point twenty-four, their intent clearly demonstrates, from the very beginning, their stand in favor of a "positive" Christianity:

24. We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate against the morality and moral sense of the German race. The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity,but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession. It combats the Jewish-materialist spirit within and without us, and is convinced that our nation can achieve permanent health from within only on the principle: the common interest before self-interest.

Hitler's speeches and proclamations, even more clearly, reveal his faith and feelings toward a Christianized Germany. Nazism presents an embarrassment to Christianity and demonstrates the danger of faith. The following words from Hitler show his disdain for atheism, and pagan cults, and reveals the strength of his Christian feelings:

Hitler's Christianity

Figures you would cut and paste from an Atheist website. You believe this revisionist propaganda because it supports your worldview, a worldview that leads to murder, intolerance, and eugenics. Some other articles from "nobeliefs.com":

Letting go of God

The War on Christmas

Be pro Choice

Problems with Creationism

And my personal favorite revisionist bull do do:

The United States in not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion

As usual, when your attempts at revising historical christianity are shown to be a hoax, you're forced to spam as an effort to defend your lies.

So we're to believe that you're retreating into CDS?

This is not the place for your bible thumping. You need to find a circus tent for that.

You are so silly. Do you really expect anyone to take you seriously with all the nonsense you constantly throw out?

 

[Hollie]

Figures you would cut and paste from an Atheist website. You believe this revisionist propaganda because it supports your worldview, a worldview that leads to murder, intolerance, and eugenics. Some other articles from "nobeliefs.com":

Letting go of God

The War on Christmas

Be pro Choice

Problems with Creationism

And my personal favorite revisionist bull do do:

The United States in not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion

As usual, when your attempts at revising historical christianity are shown to be a hoax, you're forced to spam as an effort to defend your lies.

So we're to believe that you're retreating into CDS?

This is not the place for your bible thumping. You need to find a circus tent for that.

You are so silly. Do you really expect anyone to take you seriously with all the nonsense you constantly throw out?

I've certainly learned to expect obfuscation, CDS syndrome, side-stepping and outright lies from Christian creationists.

Denial on your part should not be an expectation that others, not addled by Christian fundamentalist pathology, will accept your revisionist history of Christian hate and intolerance.

 

[UltimateReality]

As usual, when your attempts at revising historical christianity are shown to be a hoax, you're forced to spam as an effort to defend your lies.

So we're to believe that you're retreating into CDS?

This is not the place for your bible thumping. You need to find a circus tent for that.

You are so silly. Do you really expect anyone to take you seriously with all the nonsense you constantly throw out?

I've certainly learned to expect obfuscation, CDS syndrome, side-stepping and outright lies from Christian creationists.

Denial on your part should not be an expectation that others, not addled by Christian fundamentalist pathology, will accept your revisionist history of Christian hate and intolerance.

You're a funny Nazi.

 

[Hollie]

You are so silly. Do you really expect anyone to take you seriously with all the nonsense you constantly throw out?

I've certainly learned to expect obfuscation, CDS syndrome, side-stepping and outright lies from Christian creationists.

Denial on your part should not be an expectation that others, not addled by Christian fundamentalist pathology, will accept your revisionist history of Christian hate and intolerance.

You're a funny Nazi.

You're a dishonest Christian revisionist.

 

[daws101]

yes I do ...you on the other hand believe that noah's ark is fact....do I need to say more.?

No noah's ark would not be considered conjecture daws,it would be a belief from faith.

So you don't undersatnd what conjecture is.

Actually, the Ark nonsense is both conjecture and nonsense. Like so many biblical tales and fables, legend building has allowed stories told, re-told and re-told again and again to be built and modified as the tellers passed on the tale.

You'd have thought that even YWC would have made that connection..
the power of denial is strong with this one....

 

[daws101]

I think you missed the post about how you were manipulated to prove a point. The power of suggestion obviously works on you because I used the word "douche bag" one time and you have repeated it since then over and over. Why not try to dispense with the nonsense and have an adult conversation about science and religion?

another false statement, laughable too, you've manipulated nobody.
as always you've falsely assumed that you are somehow brighter than all other posters.
your failed attempts at manipulation are obvious to everyone but you.
as to your usage of the phrase "douche bag" It was I, who manipulated you.
all it took was a few remarks about your questionable police service and you went bat shit.
just as I knew you would .

I say bat shit because for someone(you) who adamantly denies using profanity or pejoratives ,that's a fairly nasty one.
I did not start using the phrase because of you imaginary mastery of the power of suggestion, it did inspire me to give you a new name , let's face it "Ultimate Reality" is extremely pompous and melodramatic name.
detective douche bag is far closer to your INTERNET personality then UR.
it's perfect from a comedic POV.
to finish all of your resent post concerning your observations and moral compass bullshit are in fact failed attempts to simultaneously take credit and absolve yourself of taking responsibly for your own actions.

From Wiki:

Douchebag may refer to:

A device used to administer a douche
A pejorative term for an arrogant or obnoxious person

This is profanity? I don't think so.

You, Hawly and NP took the bait and ran like bad. There is no sense in denying it for your faux pas is evident to all.

only in your mind. no basis in reality as already explained!

then to compound your dumbfuckery :"I say bat shit because for someone(you) who adamantly denies using profanity or pejoratives ,that's a fairly nasty one."---ME
you had to wiki the definition of douche bag when you should have looked up "pejorative"
you douche bag ....! (A pejorative term for an arrogant or obnoxious person)

 

[daws101]

I think you missed the post about how you were manipulated to prove a point. The power of suggestion obviously works on you because I used the word "douche bag" one time and you have repeated it since then over and over. Why not try to dispense with the nonsense and have an adult conversation about science and religion?

another false statement, laughable too, you've manipulated nobody.
as always you've falsely assumed that you are somehow brighter than all other posters.
your failed attempts at manipulation are obvious to everyone but you.
as to your usage of the phrase "douche bag" It was I, who manipulated you.
all it took was a few remarks about your questionable police service and you went bat shit.
just as I knew you would .

I say bat shit because for someone(you) who adamantly denies using profanity or pejoratives ,that's a fairly nasty one.
I did not start using the phrase because of you imaginary mastery of the power of suggestion, it did inspire me to give you a new name , let's face it "Ultimate Reality" is extremely pompous and melodramatic name.
detective douche bag is far closer to your INTERNET personality then UR.
it's perfect from a comedic POV.
to finish all of your resent post concerning your observations and moral compass bullshit are in fact failed attempts to simultaneously take credit and absolve yourself of taking responsibly for your own actions.

By the way, Daws, what is truth?

an idea that's far past your mental capacity to comprehend.
BTW you can knock off the faux existentialism anytime...

 

[daws101]

Shhhh Hollie doesn't know that.

so you lied? ...how christian of you!

You are not qualified to determine what is Christian and what isn't.

false and stupid!
I, like most have had more then adequate exposure to determine what Christianity is and what it is not.
NOT BUYING THE BULLSHIT IN NO WAY PREVENTS ME OR ANY ONE ELSE FROM UNDERSTANDING IT.

more specious reasoning by detective douche bag!

 

[UltimateReality]

another false statement, laughable too, you've manipulated nobody.
as always you've falsely assumed that you are somehow brighter than all other posters.
your failed attempts at manipulation are obvious to everyone but you.
as to your usage of the phrase "douche bag" It was I, who manipulated you.
all it took was a few remarks about your questionable police service and you went bat shit.
just as I knew you would .

I say bat shit because for someone(you) who adamantly denies using profanity or pejoratives ,that's a fairly nasty one.
I did not start using the phrase because of you imaginary mastery of the power of suggestion, it did inspire me to give you a new name , let's face it "Ultimate Reality" is extremely pompous and melodramatic name.
detective douche bag is far closer to your INTERNET personality then UR.
it's perfect from a comedic POV.
to finish all of your resent post concerning your observations and moral compass bullshit are in fact failed attempts to simultaneously take credit and absolve yourself of taking responsibly for your own actions.

From Wiki:

Douchebag may refer to:

A device used to administer a douche
A pejorative term for an arrogant or obnoxious person

This is profanity? I don't think so.

You, Hawly and NP took the bait and ran like bad. There is no sense in denying it for your faux pas is evident to all.

only in your mind. no basis in reality as already explained!

then to compound your dumbfuckery :"I say bat shit because for someone(you) who adamantly denies using profanity or pejoratives ,that's a fairly nasty one."---ME
you had to wiki the definition of douche bag when you should have looked up "pejorative"
you douche bag ....! (A pejorative term for an arrogant or obnoxious person)

I didn't need to look it up. I knew what it meant. Derogatory does not mean profanity. So you are wrong as usual.

 

[UltimateReality]

so you lied? ...how christian of you!

You are not qualified to determine what is Christian and what isn't.

false and stupid!
I, like most have had more then adequate exposure to determine what Christianity is and what it is not.
NOT BUYING THE BULLSHIT IN NO WAY PREVENTS ME OR ANY ONE ELSE FROM UNDERSTANDING IT.

more specious reasoning by detective douche bag!

You really don't have a clue, do you?

 

[daws101]

Yes I believe there is. And I do.

I haven't threatened anyone. If you feel threatened by anything I've written .... well...that's your cross to bear.

My wish isn't for Him to send you anywhere. My wish is to be present when he does. Reading comprehension seems difficult for you.

Furthermore it isn't my call to condemn non-believers to hell, God made that call.

And again, I didn't wish eternal damnation on you and whether you believe it or not... I am not angry.

Historical intolerance? You have Christians confused with muslims. I'll concede that during the crusades Christians did kick some butt. But it was caused in the 1st crusade by 3000 Christians being massacred. And the crusades ended around 750 years ago.

Can you cite any recent events that shows Christian intolerance, let's say on the scale of muslim intolerance?

how bout the concentration camps in ww2.
if your answer is: the nazis were atheists you'll be wrong

.

Yes, the Nazi's were atheist. Please don't start with Hawly's revisionist BS. Go find a real, tangible hard cover history book and take a read. Revisionist atheist websites are not a valid source.

quotes from Mein Kampf)
Hitler wrote: "I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.." As a boy, Hitler attended to the Catholic church and experienced the anti-Semitic attitude of his culture. In his book, Mein Kampf, Hitler reveals himself as a fanatical believer in God and country. This text presents selected quotes from the infamous anti-Semite himself.

Helmut Bruckner


We struggle for a union of the small Protestant state churches into a strong Protestant Reich Church.... We are acting not as a party, but as Protestant Christians who only follow a call to faith from God, which we here in our Volk movement. As true members of our church we have a legitimate claim to have appropriate consideration given to the greatness and inner strength of National Socialism in church life and the church administration.


-Helmut Brucker, "Richtlinien fur Kirchenfragen," Bundesarchiv Berlin-Zehlendorf (10 Nov. 1932: Breslau), [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]



Public need before private greed.... So important and meaningful is this phrase that Jesus Christ placed it in the center of his religious teaching. However, since Christ was not a politician, since his Reich was not of this world, he put the calling into other words. He taught: love your neighbors as yourself! National Socialism is therefore nothing new, nothing that a person after much consideration would not come upon as the solution to the economic plight of the Germans.


-Walter Buch Der Aufmasch, Blatter der deutschen Jugend 2 (January 1931), [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]

Hitler's Henchmen and Nazi Sympathizers


AS ALWAYS YOU'RE TALKING OUT YOUR ASS.