Criminals forced Chicago cops to release suspect...blood is about to run in Chicago streets....

[fncceo]

Fear of the law only lasts so long before the people start fighting back. Perhaps the cops should quit depending on fear, and try to gain the respect of the crowds. That will never happen till the cops police their own numbers and get rid of cops who enjoy making people fear them.

You don't need to fear the police. You don't need to respect the police.

You do need to comply with police.

 

[JoeB131]

If it was a republican mayor he would have been investigated and forced to resign but incompetent democrats seem to last forever.

Actually, Rahm Emmanuel didn't seek a third term because of his role in covering up the LaQuan McDonald Shooting. The States Attorney was voted our for her role in it.

Now, here's the thing. We usually assume that when the cops arrest someone, they've done something to deserve it... even when they are pulling over some minority for a Driving While Black and otherwise violating his constitutional rights.

The CPD, however, has such an awful reputation right now, that no one makes that assumption. So here you have a case of a community resisting and cops, probably afraid that if they do pull their guns, someone one with a cell phone will record it and they'll be sharing a cell with Jason van Dyke.

 

[Meathead]

If it was a republican mayor he would have been investigated and forced to resign but incompetent democrats seem to last forever.

Actually, Rahm Emmanuel didn't seek a third term because of his role in covering up the LaQuan McDonald Shooting. The States Attorney was voted our for her role in it.

Now, here's the thing. We usually assume that when the cops arrest someone, they've done something to deserve it... even when they are pulling over some minority for a Driving While Black and otherwise violating his constitutional rights.

The CPD, however, has such an awful reputation right now, that no one makes that assumption. So here you have a case of a community resisting and cops, probably afraid that if they do pull their guns, someone one with a cell phone will record it and they'll be sharing a cell with Jason van Dyke.

Ya gotta feel for the PD with all those thugs killing each other and snowflakes being attacked by Nigerians in MAGA hats.

 

[JoeB131]

Ya gotta feel for the PD with all those thugs killing each other and snowflakes being attacked by Nigerians in MAGA hats.

I do kind of feel for the PD. I would say 99% of them are good guys. And then you have the 1% who are bad apples that the Department and the FOP go balls to the wall for.

For instance, after a review of civilian complaints, it was found that 139 officers out of 14,000 were responsible for 50% of the complaints. the Aforementioned officer Van Dyke (the one who shot LaQuan McDonald 16 times when he was lying on the ground) had 20 civilian complaints in his jacket, including an incident where he dislocated a suspects' shoulder and the city paid out half a million.

Last year, the city paid out 18 million to settle complaints.

 

[Vastator]

Fear of the law only lasts so long before the people start fighting back. Perhaps the cops should quit depending on fear, and try to gain the respect of the crowds. That will never happen till the cops police their own numbers and get rid of cops who enjoy making people fear them.

You do need to comply with police.

“Need”... An interesting choice of words here...
“Need”? How does one substantiate this assertion? Hmmm... Well one perspective would be to ask what the result would be if this “need” isn’t met..? Well one possibility is that nothing will happen. At least directly... Not in that immediate moment anyhow... moments later however... There is a good chance that police will commit an act of violence against the individual. Hmmm...
I’m not sure that the person who doesn’t have his need to “comply” is principly responsible for the actions of a third party. Individuals are responsible for their own actions after all.
A woman doesn’t have a legitimate need to suck a muggers cock; just because he will beat the shit out of her if she doesn’t... She can be intimidated, or coerced to do so. But it doesn’t rise to the level of a “need”. Not like one “needs” air. “Needs” water. “Needs” food... You get the idea...
So back to your assertion that one “needs” to comply... This suggests that this “need” manifests itself as a method to prevent having violence visited upon ones self. Sounds reasonable enough... So reasonable in fact that the police themselves saw the benefit of complying with the demands of those who would visit violence upon them. All in all it seems you would be happy with this outcome. These officers fulfilled a need they had. What’s good for the one surely must be good for all, in the realm of social behavior.
Or maybe we need to have a closer, more scrutinous look at what constitutes a legitimate “need”. As it seems your assertion more aptly implies that police, “need” people to comply with their demands. More so, than the people have an inherent “need” to comply with police. How many people have been in the position of having to seek out an officer for the sole purpose of having their “need to comply” fulfilled? I’d wager none.

 

[BULLDOG]

Fear of the law only lasts so long before the people start fighting back. Perhaps the cops should quit depending on fear, and try to gain the respect of the crowds. That will never happen till the cops police their own numbers and get rid of cops who enjoy making people fear them.

You don't need to fear the police. You don't need to respect the police.

You do need to comply with police.

They are cops. They aren't god. They aren't allowed to give orders on a whim. The outcome of their interaction with the public shouldn't depend on their mood any more than the quality of a car should depend on the mood of the auto worker building a car..

 

[fncceo]

They aren't allowed to give orders on a whim

Remember, in a civilized society, government is the only body that can legitimately use force.

If a police officer gives you a lawful direction, he is authorized to use reasonable force to ensure your compliance with that direction.

If you don't believe the order is lawful, i.e. he is acting outside the law, you can always bring suit against the officer or the department, or make an accusation of criminal misconduct. However, that can only be done after the fact. It is up to a judge to decide if the officer's direction was legal.

 

[Vastator]

They aren't allowed to give orders on a whim

Remember, in a civilized society, government is the only body that can legitimately use force.

If a police officer gives you a lawful direction, he is authorized to use force to ensure your compliance with that direction.

If you don't believe the order is lawful, i.e. he is acting outside the law, you can always bring suit against the officer or the department, or make an accusation of criminal misconduct. However, that can only be done after the fact. It is up to a judge to decide if the officer's direction was legal.

Nonsense. One is fully permitted to use violence in defense of ones self, and even ones property, and rights in some areas. And your notion that agents of the government should “rightfully” have a monopoly on violence is absurd in a nation of “free” men.

 

[fncceo]

One is fully permitted to use violence in defense of ones self.

When a police officer arrests someone, he is using force. He is depriving you of liberty ... under the law he does not have to be defending himself.

Ask any sovereign citizen how not complying with lawful directions works out for them.

 

[Vastator]

One is fully permitted to use violence in defense of ones self.

When a police officer arrests someone, he is using force. He is depriving you of liberty ... under the law he does not have to be defending himself.

Ask any sovereign citizen how not complying with lawful directions works out for them.

Ask any cop who was gunned down trying to do the same. Oh... you can’t; can you?

How many cops have died as a result of believing they had a monopoly on use of force?

 

[2aguy]

Moron......it isn't gun makers, it is criminals, and the only reason Chicago has a high gun murder rate is the democrat politicians working with the gangs, getting known, repeat gang shooters released on bail, and given short prison sentences because of democrat judges, prosecutors and politicians.

Guy, we lock up more people than any country on earth. Locking people up isn't the answer.

The problem is, too many guns on the street, period. You guys fought to arm the populace so they can fights them the gummit! And now you are whining when an armed mob chased off some cops.

"Oh, wait. No, I only meant for WHITE people to do that."

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No...the problem is the democrats who control these cities, the politicians, the judges and prosecutors, keep letting repeat, known, violent gun offenders out of jail over and over again......that is the only problem we have. It doesn't matter how many people you lock up if you let the violent gun criminals out of jail on bail, and out of prison in under 3 years...

 

[Vastator]

Moron......it isn't gun makers, it is criminals, and the only reason Chicago has a high gun murder rate is the democrat politicians working with the gangs, getting known, repeat gang shooters released on bail, and given short prison sentences because of democrat judges, prosecutors and politicians.

Guy, we lock up more people than any country on earth. Locking people up isn't the answer.

The problem is, too many guns on the street, period. You guys fought to arm the populace so they can fights them the gummit! And now you are whining when an armed mob chased off some cops.

"Oh, wait. No, I only meant for WHITE people to do that."

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No...the problem is the democrats who control these cities, the politicians, the judges and prosecutors, keep letting repeat, known, violent gun offenders out of jail over and over again......that is the only problem we have. It doesn't matter how many people you lock up if you let the violent gun criminals out of jail on bail, and out of prison in under 3 years...

We are already the most heavily incarcerated nation on earth. How many people can/should we have locked up? And for how long?

 

[BULLDOG]

They aren't allowed to give orders on a whim

Remember, in a civilized society, government is the only body that can legitimately use force.

If a police officer gives you a lawful direction, he is authorized to use reasonable force to ensure your compliance with that direction.

If you don't believe the order is lawful, i.e. he is acting outside the law, you can always bring suit against the officer or the department, or make an accusation of criminal misconduct. However, that can only be done after the fact. It is up to a judge to decide if the officer's direction was legal.

Yes, and we all know how that turns out. Who is the judge going to believe, that fine upstanding officer of the law, or you you fucking scum? Of course there is always the magical fear card " I was in fear for m life" That works to justify murder all the time. No. The people don't trust policemen, and that is the policemen's fault.

 

[BULLDOG]

They aren't allowed to give orders on a whim

Remember, in a civilized society, government is the only body that can legitimately use force.

If a police officer gives you a lawful direction, he is authorized to use force to ensure your compliance with that direction.

If you don't believe the order is lawful, i.e. he is acting outside the law, you can always bring suit against the officer or the department, or make an accusation of criminal misconduct. However, that can only be done after the fact. It is up to a judge to decide if the officer's direction was legal.

Nonsense. One is fully permitted to use violence in defense of ones self, and even ones property, and rights in some areas. And your notion that agents of the government should “rightfully” have a monopoly on violence is absurd in a nation of “free” men.

Gun nuts cry about their constitutional right to be armed.all the time, yet a cop can kill anyone who happens to have a gun and claim fear for their life.

 

[Likkmee]

From John Kass, journalist in Chicago.....when the police are forced to comply with the demands of the criminals, releasing a suspect they have in custody.......there is going to be blood on the streets....well, more blood on the streets ....

On the West Side, the street shows no fear of Chicago police

Authorities confirmed that two police officers — TAC cops, not rookies — were making a drug arrest shortly after 2 p.m. on Sunday.

A mob appeared, threatening the officers, surrounding them, threatening to reach for their own weapons to shoot them dead, and the cops let the suspect go.

What is learned here? The street is officially no longer afraid of the Chicago police

Look man. i remember riding around in my dune buggy with 3 other dudes and shotguns in 1968 when the monkey population ruled the law. Chicago has been a piece of shit from day one and will continue to be until it gets nuked off the map. Thakfully pooty poot has enough pointed at it to level it from Gary, Lansing all the way to St Louis. Be patient

 

[2aguy]

Moron......it isn't gun makers, it is criminals, and the only reason Chicago has a high gun murder rate is the democrat politicians working with the gangs, getting known, repeat gang shooters released on bail, and given short prison sentences because of democrat judges, prosecutors and politicians.

Guy, we lock up more people than any country on earth. Locking people up isn't the answer.

The problem is, too many guns on the street, period. You guys fought to arm the populace so they can fights them the gummit! And now you are whining when an armed mob chased off some cops.

"Oh, wait. No, I only meant for WHITE people to do that."

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No...the problem is the democrats who control these cities, the politicians, the judges and prosecutors, keep letting repeat, known, violent gun offenders out of jail over and over again......that is the only problem we have. It doesn't matter how many people you lock up if you let the violent gun criminals out of jail on bail, and out of prison in under 3 years...

We are already the most heavily incarcerated nation on earth. How many people can/should we have locked up? And for how long?

If you commit a crime with a gun, a real crime, rape, robbery or murder with a gun, you go to prison for 30 years, life for murder or the death penalty. Right now, gun criminals in Chicago, with long records of felony gun convictions get bail, and they get out of prison in under 3 years.

How about we lock up the violent criminals who have used guns to commit actual crimes.....why is it that you and the democrats refuse to do this?

 

[Vastator]

They aren't allowed to give orders on a whim

Remember, in a civilized society, government is the only body that can legitimately use force.

If a police officer gives you a lawful direction, he is authorized to use reasonable force to ensure your compliance with that direction.

If you don't believe the order is lawful, i.e. he is acting outside the law, you can always bring suit against the officer or the department, or make an accusation of criminal misconduct. However, that can only be done after the fact. It is up to a judge to decide if the officer's direction was legal.

Yes, and we all know how that turns out. Who is the judge going to believe, that fine upstanding officer of the law, or you you fucking scum? Of course there is always the magical fear card " I was in fear for m life" That works to justify murder all the time. No. The people don't trust policemen, and that is the policemen's fault.

Not quite so fast... Somewhat yes, somewhat no; in regard to it being the policemen’s fault... The police by, and large have a thankless job. That’s not a platitude. It’s something to be pondered. Why is the job so thankless? In part I would posit that it is because the “police” are tasked with doing so much shit, that no member of the public can be expected to be thankful for. If all they did was run around acting the “hero” perception would be much different. But in the day, to day... They run around harassing people over violations of victimless crimes. They act as ad hoc revenue generators via ticketing, and code enforcers. Shit that nearly no one appreciates, or can be expected to appreciate. They serve as agents of “the state” primarily. And as the “Hero” occasionally. But so to do most people when the need arises. As a nation, we are overly legislated, and over enforced. And that breeds nothing but distrust for the “enforcers”. Just look at the Miranda warning. Anything you say CAN and WILL be used AGAINST YOU! The whole system is set upon an adversarial foundation. Who could expect anything other than the outcome we currently have?

 

[Vastator]

Moron......it isn't gun makers, it is criminals, and the only reason Chicago has a high gun murder rate is the democrat politicians working with the gangs, getting known, repeat gang shooters released on bail, and given short prison sentences because of democrat judges, prosecutors and politicians.

Guy, we lock up more people than any country on earth. Locking people up isn't the answer.

The problem is, too many guns on the street, period. You guys fought to arm the populace so they can fights them the gummit! And now you are whining when an armed mob chased off some cops.

"Oh, wait. No, I only meant for WHITE people to do that."

View attachment 251907

No...the problem is the democrats who control these cities, the politicians, the judges and prosecutors, keep letting repeat, known, violent gun offenders out of jail over and over again......that is the only problem we have. It doesn't matter how many people you lock up if you let the violent gun criminals out of jail on bail, and out of prison in under 3 years...

We are already the most heavily incarcerated nation on earth. How many people can/should we have locked up? And for how long?

If you commit a crime with a gun, a real crime, rape, robbery or murder with a gun, you go to prison for 30 years, life for murder or the death penalty. Right now, gun criminals in Chicago, with long records of felony gun convictions get bail, and they get out of prison in under 3 years.

How about we lock up the violent criminals who have used guns to commit actual crimes.....why is it that you and the democrats refuse to do this?

I don’t believe in sentences longer than 15-20 years. Definitely opposed to life sentences as well. I’m all for locking up criminals though. But if a person cannot “pay his debt to society” with a 15-20 year stint... Just execute the bastard. Fuck using my tax dollars to support some degenerate for life; knowing full and well that he will never be able to re-enter society and contribute to the common prosperity. Once a “sentence” has been fulfilled; a person should have every right restored to them. All of them...

 

[BULLDOG]

They aren't allowed to give orders on a whim

Remember, in a civilized society, government is the only body that can legitimately use force.

If a police officer gives you a lawful direction, he is authorized to use reasonable force to ensure your compliance with that direction.

If you don't believe the order is lawful, i.e. he is acting outside the law, you can always bring suit against the officer or the department, or make an accusation of criminal misconduct. However, that can only be done after the fact. It is up to a judge to decide if the officer's direction was legal.

Yes, and we all know how that turns out. Who is the judge going to believe, that fine upstanding officer of the law, or you you fucking scum? Of course there is always the magical fear card " I was in fear for m life" That works to justify murder all the time. No. The people don't trust policemen, and that is the policemen's fault.

Not quite so fast... Somewhat yes, somewhat no; in regard to it being the policemen’s fault... The police by, and large have a thankless job. That’s not a platitude. It’s something to be pondered. Why is the job so thankless? In part I would posit that it is because the “police” are tasked with doing so much shit, that no member of the public can be expected to be thankful for. If all they did was run around acting the “hero” perception would be much different. But in the day, to day... They run around harassing people over violations of victimless crimes. They act as ad hoc revenue generators via ticketing, and code enforcers. Shit that nearly no one appreciates, or can be expected to appreciate. They serve as agents of “the state” primarily. And as the “Hero” occasionally. But so to do most people when the need arises. As a nation, we are overly legislated, and over enforced. And that breeds nothing but distrust for the “enforcers”. Just look at the Miranda warning. Anything you say CAN and Will be used AGAINST YOU! The whole system is set founded upon an adversarial foundation. Who could expect anything other than the outcome we currently have?

Yes, cops have a hard job. I know that, and I have no desire to be a cop. I'm also aware they have legal limits to what they are allowed to do. They aren't supposed to let their mood or their prejudices govern what they do. I'm sure someone who applies for the job has that same information. If they don't think they can do that hard job, they shouldn't be cops.

 

[Vastator]

They aren't allowed to give orders on a whim

Remember, in a civilized society, government is the only body that can legitimately use force.

If a police officer gives you a lawful direction, he is authorized to use force to ensure your compliance with that direction.

If you don't believe the order is lawful, i.e. he is acting outside the law, you can always bring suit against the officer or the department, or make an accusation of criminal misconduct. However, that can only be done after the fact. It is up to a judge to decide if the officer's direction was legal.

Nonsense. One is fully permitted to use violence in defense of ones self, and even ones property, and rights in some areas. And your notion that agents of the government should “rightfully” have a monopoly on violence is absurd in a nation of “free” men.

Gun nuts cry about their constitutional right to be armed.all the time, yet a cop can kill anyone who happens to have a gun and claim fear for their life.

Every homocide should go to a trial by jury. No exceptions...