Death of a people

[dreolin]

How nice of Patrick the way he overlooks all the vulgarities which anti Israel people post; these he does not consider rude and crude. Patrick wants me to address whatever topics are against the Israelis, but has anyone ever seen Patrick address what is happening to Christianity in the Middle East that even the Pope is very concerned. All those Christians being murdered en masse and Patrick conveniently closes his eyes to it. Moreoever, this is the Middle East forum which is the perfect place for Patrick to talk about the Pope's concerns about what is happening to the Christians in the Middle East.. You and your are very tedious, Patrick, because we have heard the same old nonsense from people just like you throughout the years on forums.

"...address what is happening to Christianity in the Middle East that even the Pope is very concerned."

We need Israel to do its part. We sponsor Israel in multiple highly visible ways. Asking others to stop atrocities when our key ally in the region is continuing their atrocities next door leads to us being ineffective.

What needs to happen to have Israel stop its program of ethnic cleansing???

There is no ethnic cleansing in Israel. There is a war between two nations which their worlds collide.

I think you would be very offended and righteously insulted if I described what happened in Germany in the thirtys and fortys of last century as a collision between the worlds of Jewish capitalism and German socialism. Your anger would be a just anger.

Israel is commiting genocide and Jews and Evangelical Christians, among others, are supporting that genocide.

Here is the definition by the man who coined the term, Raphael Lemkin, a Jew himself...

"Generally speaking, genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation, except when accomplished by mass killings of all members of a nation. It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives of such a plan would be the disintegration of the political and social institutions, of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups."

Genocide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Lipush]

I said...

"Walls are not made only out of brick and mortar..."

I know what you said, and I didn't mean those walls either.

I live in a mixed town myself. So please lets cut the crap.

Of course there are no walls between the Jews and the Bedouins. It is a simple misunderstanding. The Bedouins weren't protesting the Praver bill. They were having a celebratory party and are pleased as punch at being relocated and having their lives destroyed.

Gotcha, Babe.

They were protesting the fact that the state is no longer willing of releasing them from their duties.

Since you're obviously not interested in having a real discussion about this, I don't know if I should even try and explain this to you

 

[Lipush]

"...address what is happening to Christianity in the Middle East that even the Pope is very concerned."

We need Israel to do its part. We sponsor Israel in multiple highly visible ways. Asking others to stop atrocities when our key ally in the region is continuing their atrocities next door leads to us being ineffective.

What needs to happen to have Israel stop its program of ethnic cleansing???

There is no ethnic cleansing in Israel. There is a war between two nations which their worlds collide.

I think you would be very offended and righteously insulted if I described what happened in Germany in the thirtys and fortys of last century as a collision between the worlds of Jewish capitalism and German socialism. Your anger would be a just anger.

Israel is commiting genocide and Jews and Evangelical Christians, among others, are supporting that genocide.

Here is the definition by the man who coined the term, Raphael Lemkin, a Jew himself...

"Generally speaking, genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation, except when accomplished by mass killings of all members of a nation. It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives of such a plan would be the disintegration of the political and social institutions, of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups."

Genocide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Once you compare Israel to the third reich you lose all credibility.

So no, I'm not going to argue with you.

 

[Lipush]

How is giving up lands and releasing terrorists guarantees peace?

That is what Obama says we should do, when it does nothing but getting our kids killed.

And we're sorry but we don't believe the world. the world cannot care less if Israel exists or not.

Giving up lands??? Do you mean restoring private property stolen from people?? That is justice that is a requirement of peace. Human beings all over the world and throughout history have seen it that way. So, the fact that this is a matter of international law shouldn't be a shock.

The peace talks oriented toward a 2 state solution have always had as a requirement that Israel stop the theft and ethnic cleansing of more West Bank land.

In fact, Bush had the removal of illegal settlements as one of his "road map" requirements for Israel - and Israel agreed to that.


You can spit in the face of America all you want, but America will probably continue to take that kind of insult and still support Israel with gigantic donations and guarantee Israel's existence for many more years.

It WOULD be nice if you said thank you once in a while, but it isn't required.

If you dig in Arab villages you'll find they exist on Jewish tombs. That was discovered and known years ago. Arab properties which were bought from Jews or stolen from Jews in the last century.

My family's ranch was destroyed, and it is very possible that on this land now Arabs sit. Private property? ours, it was, indeed.

Say thank you? In case you didn't notice, America doesn't give anything free to Israel. Most Israeli brains these days escape and invest in America. Many of your greatest start-ups are thanks to Israelis and Jews.

As I said, there is no ethnic cleansing in our area but the attempt to constantly destroy Israel. That attempt will fail one after the other. Funny thing is, all those who try to destroy the Jews, end up losing.

The Palestinians will be no different

 

[WillReadmore]

How is giving up lands and releasing terrorists guarantees peace?

That is what Obama says we should do, when it does nothing but getting our kids killed.

And we're sorry but we don't believe the world. the world cannot care less if Israel exists or not.

Giving up lands??? Do you mean restoring private property stolen from people?? That is justice that is a requirement of peace. Human beings all over the world and throughout history have seen it that way. So, the fact that this is a matter of international law shouldn't be a shock.

The peace talks oriented toward a 2 state solution have always had as a requirement that Israel stop the theft and ethnic cleansing of more West Bank land.

In fact, Bush had the removal of illegal settlements as one of his "road map" requirements for Israel - and Israel agreed to that.


You can spit in the face of America all you want, but America will probably continue to take that kind of insult and still support Israel with gigantic donations and guarantee Israel's existence for many more years.

It WOULD be nice if you said thank you once in a while, but it isn't required.

If you dig in Arab villages you'll find they exist on Jewish tombs. That was discovered and known years ago. Arab properties which were bought from Jews or stolen from Jews in the last century.

My family's ranch was destroyed, and it is very possible that on this land now Arabs sit. Private property? ours, it was, indeed.

Say thank you? In case you didn't notice, America doesn't give anything free to Israel. Most Israeli brains these days escape and invest in America. Many of your greatest start-ups are thanks to Israelis and Jews.

As I said, there is no ethnic cleansing in our area but the attempt to constantly destroy Israel. That attempt will fail one after the other. Funny thing is, all those who try to destroy the Jews, end up losing.

The Palestinians will be no different

You're trying to justify what is globally recognized as a crime.

What happened to you or others doesn't justify a federally operated program of ethnic cleansing.

The problem of buried history isn't unique to West Bank and there are various options for handling that.

 

[toastman]

Giving up lands??? Do you mean restoring private property stolen from people?? That is justice that is a requirement of peace. Human beings all over the world and throughout history have seen it that way. So, the fact that this is a matter of international law shouldn't be a shock.

The peace talks oriented toward a 2 state solution have always had as a requirement that Israel stop the theft and ethnic cleansing of more West Bank land.

In fact, Bush had the removal of illegal settlements as one of his "road map" requirements for Israel - and Israel agreed to that.


You can spit in the face of America all you want, but America will probably continue to take that kind of insult and still support Israel with gigantic donations and guarantee Israel's existence for many more years.

It WOULD be nice if you said thank you once in a while, but it isn't required.

If you dig in Arab villages you'll find they exist on Jewish tombs. That was discovered and known years ago. Arab properties which were bought from Jews or stolen from Jews in the last century.

My family's ranch was destroyed, and it is very possible that on this land now Arabs sit. Private property? ours, it was, indeed.

Say thank you? In case you didn't notice, America doesn't give anything free to Israel. Most Israeli brains these days escape and invest in America. Many of your greatest start-ups are thanks to Israelis and Jews.

As I said, there is no ethnic cleansing in our area but the attempt to constantly destroy Israel. That attempt will fail one after the other. Funny thing is, all those who try to destroy the Jews, end up losing.

The Palestinians will be no different

You're trying to justify what is globally recognized as a crime.

What happened to you or others doesn't justify a federally operated program of ethnic cleansing.

The problem of buried history isn't unique to West Bank and there are various options for handling that.

Read her post again. If she was justifying Ethnic Cleansing, she would agree with you that ethnic cleansing was taking place, and saing that it was ok for it to be happening.

 

[Roudy]

Giving up lands??? Do you mean restoring private property stolen from people?? That is justice that is a requirement of peace. Human beings all over the world and throughout history have seen it that way. So, the fact that this is a matter of international law shouldn't be a shock.

The peace talks oriented toward a 2 state solution have always had as a requirement that Israel stop the theft and ethnic cleansing of more West Bank land.

In fact, Bush had the removal of illegal settlements as one of his "road map" requirements for Israel - and Israel agreed to that.


You can spit in the face of America all you want, but America will probably continue to take that kind of insult and still support Israel with gigantic donations and guarantee Israel's existence for many more years.

It WOULD be nice if you said thank you once in a while, but it isn't required.

If you dig in Arab villages you'll find they exist on Jewish tombs. That was discovered and known years ago. Arab properties which were bought from Jews or stolen from Jews in the last century.

My family's ranch was destroyed, and it is very possible that on this land now Arabs sit. Private property? ours, it was, indeed.

Say thank you? In case you didn't notice, America doesn't give anything free to Israel. Most Israeli brains these days escape and invest in America. Many of your greatest start-ups are thanks to Israelis and Jews.

As I said, there is no ethnic cleansing in our area but the attempt to constantly destroy Israel. That attempt will fail one after the other. Funny thing is, all those who try to destroy the Jews, end up losing.

The Palestinians will be no different

You're trying to justify what is globally recognized as a crime.

What happened to you or others doesn't justify a federally operated program of ethnic cleansing.

The problem of buried history isn't unique to West Bank and there are various options for handling that.

Ha ha ha. The Palestinian population has multiplied six times more than it was 50 years ago.

Fucking illiterates don't even know what genocide or ethnic cleansing means.

99.9 of land mass and population of the Middle East is one Arab or Muslim shithole after another. They are trying to destroy THE ONLY non Muslim state where Jews have reestablished Israel on the land of their ancestors and their religious holy land. They have every right to the land from all aspects. Legally, historically, religiously, and archeological.

And you speak of "ethnic cleansing and genocide".

MORON.

www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com

ISRAEL AND THE MUSLIM WORLD. TAKE A LOOK AT THE ETHNIC CLEANSING!

 

[P F Tinmore]

There is no ethnic cleansing in Israel. There is a war between two nations which their worlds collide.

This is a serious subject.

Let's try to stay rational here.

There most definitely is ethnic cleansing going on in West Bank, being carried out by Israel. All you have to do is look at the maps and listen to the news.

We in America know full well what it means to round up the natives and move them to some restricted location. We did it, too. But, that is NOT a justification.

There is no ethnic cleansing anywhere in Israel done by Israel. I look at the map and see Israel separating itself from the Palestinians because the Palestinians want Israel destroyed.

Palestinian propaganda won't change the truth.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOxwVlGn0R4]NOWHERE LEFT TO GO - The Jahalin Bedouin - YouTube[/ame]

 

[P F Tinmore]

Stop existing?

No you cannot.

Bummer.

No, we are failing to get Israel to stop its ethnic cleansing.

The existence of Israel is assured. We will back Israel fully in that regard.

How is giving up lands and releasing terrorists guarantees peace?

That is what Obama says we should do, when it does nothing but getting our kids killed.

And we're sorry but we don't believe the world. the world cannot care less if Israel exists or not.

Give up land? Israel has no land.

You must be out of bullets. You are playing the terrorist card.

 

[Lipush]

Giving up lands??? Do you mean restoring private property stolen from people?? That is justice that is a requirement of peace. Human beings all over the world and throughout history have seen it that way. So, the fact that this is a matter of international law shouldn't be a shock.

The peace talks oriented toward a 2 state solution have always had as a requirement that Israel stop the theft and ethnic cleansing of more West Bank land.

In fact, Bush had the removal of illegal settlements as one of his "road map" requirements for Israel - and Israel agreed to that.


You can spit in the face of America all you want, but America will probably continue to take that kind of insult and still support Israel with gigantic donations and guarantee Israel's existence for many more years.

It WOULD be nice if you said thank you once in a while, but it isn't required.

If you dig in Arab villages you'll find they exist on Jewish tombs. That was discovered and known years ago. Arab properties which were bought from Jews or stolen from Jews in the last century.

My family's ranch was destroyed, and it is very possible that on this land now Arabs sit. Private property? ours, it was, indeed.

Say thank you? In case you didn't notice, America doesn't give anything free to Israel. Most Israeli brains these days escape and invest in America. Many of your greatest start-ups are thanks to Israelis and Jews.

As I said, there is no ethnic cleansing in our area but the attempt to constantly destroy Israel. That attempt will fail one after the other. Funny thing is, all those who try to destroy the Jews, end up losing.

The Palestinians will be no different

You're trying to justify what is globally recognized as a crime.

What happened to you or others doesn't justify a federally operated program of ethnic cleansing.

The problem of buried history isn't unique to West Bank and there are various options for handling that.

Where did I justify ethnic cleansing? You said "land theft" and I pointed out that is factually incorrect.

How do you take what I say to a totally different direction and why, is beyond me.

 

[Lipush]

No, we are failing to get Israel to stop its ethnic cleansing.

The existence of Israel is assured. We will back Israel fully in that regard.

How is giving up lands and releasing terrorists guarantees peace?

That is what Obama says we should do, when it does nothing but getting our kids killed.

And we're sorry but we don't believe the world. the world cannot care less if Israel exists or not.

Give up land? Israel has no land.

You must be out of bullets. You are playing the terrorist card.

You repeat the same old mantra, like a drunk man trying to convince others he's sober.

 

[P F Tinmore]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtF3rOdSbr4]From Al-Araqib to Susiya - YouTube[/ame]

 

[P F Tinmore]

How is giving up lands and releasing terrorists guarantees peace?

That is what Obama says we should do, when it does nothing but getting our kids killed.

And we're sorry but we don't believe the world. the world cannot care less if Israel exists or not.

Give up land? Israel has no land.

You must be out of bullets. You are playing the terrorist card.

You repeat the same old mantra, like a drunk man trying to convince others he's sober.

Indeed, and nobody has ever refuted it.

 

[Connery]

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[Sally]

When the UN voted on enhanced UN membership for Palestine, Israel and the US were on their own.

You can't seriously believe that the entire rest of the world is dominated by Islam.

I really don't know it myself, but could you tell us the number of Muslim countries who are members of the U.N. and the names of the countries in the UN which are dependent on the Muslim oil?

No, this excuse does not fly. Period.

The days of OPEC being able to join forces and control the price of oil are over. The old OPEC nations simply can't do that anymore.

There are several reasons for that. They don't produce as large a percentage of the world oil supply anymore. They can't afford to take the revenue hit that would come from their own pricing changes - pretty much every nation desperately needs the revenue today. And, the old OPEC nations aren't close enough to each other politically anymore, so they can't get together to agree to all take a revenue hit for some cause.

And, again, everybody voted in favor of enhanced UN status for Palestine except the US and Israel (and maybe one other - can't remember for sure). There wasn't a division that could be attributed to oil.

Still no list of the Muslim nations in the UN and those other countries who depend on Muslim oil??? I guess some of the posters just don't want to believe thsat the Secretary General of the UN admitted that the UN is anti-Semitic.

 

[Sunni Man]

I guess some of the posters just don't want to believe thsat the Secretary General of the UN admitted that the UN is anti-Semitic.

So what if he did??

That's just his opinion and carries no official weight. ...

 

[Sally]

I guess some of the posters just don't want to believe thsat the Secretary General of the UN admitted that the UN is anti-Semitic.

So what if he did??

That's just his opinion and carries no official weight. ...

Like he is empty headed like you are and doesn't realize what is going on at the UN!!

 

[Sunni Man]

I guess some of the posters just don't want to believe thsat the Secretary General of the UN admitted that the UN is anti-Semitic.

So what if he did??

That's just his opinion and carries no official weight. ...

Like he is empty headed like you are and doesn't realize what is going on at the UN!!

Again. it's just his opinion and nothing more.

But even if it's true......so what?? ..

 

[Sally]

So what if he did??

That's just his opinion and carries no official weight. ...

Like he is empty headed like you are and doesn't realize what is going on at the UN!!

Again. it's just his opinion and nothing more.

But even if it's true......so what?? ..

Why don't you send him an E-mail and ask him how he came to that conclusion?

 

[Sunni Man]

Why don't you send him an E-mail and ask him how he came to that conclusion?

Frankly, I could care less........