Zone1 Deeper, hidden, meanings of the Bible - Physical, Spiritual and Philosophical - Secret Revelations Shared for the 1st Time.

[hobelim]

Ok.

I think all who ever lived, even Satan, will happily live with God in his kingdom. A lot of people here have rebuked me for that belief.

I won't rebuke you.

I see Satan as a metaphor for a human archetype. And according to Genesis Satan was in Eden and so if Satan was always in paradise you so are right except that I'm not so sure about his happiness, being condemned as the lowest of all lowlifes, "lower than cattle and all of the wild beasts of the field", without being expelled from Eden (a terrible fate for a narcissist) as Adam and Eve were expelled for the rest of their days, according to the story at least.(See Gen. 3:14).

When people do this on earth, what God did in heaven, condemn talking serpents to the lowest place in society instead of con artists and liars being celebrated as stars, royalty, or holy men, God will pour out his Spirit on all mankind and Satan will cease to exist as a human archetype as represented by Satan, the false prophet, and hades ultimately being tossed into the lake of fire.

 

[hobelim]

The Tower of Babel. This GIF runs about 50 seconds.

Apparently sweetheart, you've come undone.

 

[K9Buck]

...and Satan will cease to exist as a human archetype.

I believe that Satan is a sentient being and that he is doing exactly what God created him to do. In the end I believe that God will transform Satan into a holy being just like he will transform everyone else.

 

[hobelim]

I believe that Satan is a sentient being and that he is doing exactly what God created him to do. In the end I believe that God will transform Satan into a holy being just like he will transform everyone else.

Thats a very hopeful thought. But, according to the story, Satan has descendants, on earth.

Do you think that there have been some people in history that would always make evil a deliberate choice, fully aware of the consequences, even if they could live forever?

What then?

 

[K9Buck]

Thats a very hopeful thought. But, according to the story, Satan has descendants, on earth.

Do you think that there have been some people in history that would always make evil a deliberate choice, fully aware of the consequences, even if they could live forever?

What then?

I believe that we are in a fallen state and are living in a fallen world that is filled with deception. I believe God allows us to be lost from him, to varying degrees, for a period of time as part of our development in preparation for living forever with him in his kingdom. I believe those that consistently choose wickedness will face a corrective period in the hereafter that is oftentimes called "Hell". Ultimately, as God desires, ALL will eventually repent and cheerfully choose to follow Jesus. That will conclude Jesus's mission and then he will give the completed church to God the Father as described in 1 Corinthians 15.

Anyway, that's my understanding.

 

[hobelim]

. I believe those that consistently choose wickedness will face a corrective period in the hereafter that is oftentimes called "Hell".

My understanding is that everyone who sets aside the divine commands chooses death and descend into hades, hell, now. After that if they do not repent destruction follows when they die.

Think of it. Many people profess beliefs that are contradicted by reality every single day and night. The do not understand the lessons of the past, do not know what is actually taking place, consequently they have done nothing to save their souls from the deeper implications of present events, expecting a future that will never take place in the way that they expect. Is this not hell?

They really do not experience life as if they were here. Thats part of the agony when life ends.

Ultimately, as God desires, ALL will eventually repent and cheerfully choose to follow Jesus.

Its now or never....No one can repent from the grave. Sheep and goats and all of that jazz.

Remember? Broad is the way that leads to destruction (from which there is no return).......

 

[ding]

Apparently sweetheart, you've come undone.

 

[ding]

I won't rebuke you.

I see Satan as a metaphor for a human archetype. And according to Genesis Satan was in Eden and so if Satan was always in paradise you so are right except that I'm not so sure about his happiness, being condemned as the lowest of all lowlifes, "lower than cattle and all of the wild beasts of the field", without being expelled from Eden (a terrible fate for a narcissist) as Adam and Eve were expelled for the rest of their days, according to the story at least.(See Gen. 3:14).

When people do this on earth, what God did in heaven, condemn talking serpents to the lowest place in society instead of con artists and liars being celebrated as stars, royalty, or holy men, God will pour out his Spirit on all mankind and Satan will cease to exist as a human archetype as represented by Satan, the false prophet, and hades ultimately being tossed into the lake of fire.

Preach on, Secular Jesus, preach on.

 

[norwegen]

Since hobelim has been revealing hidden/philosophical meanings within the Bible, I decided to start a thread on the topic.

hobelim posted the following:

My God opened my mind to understand all of these things, little by little, since I was 8. I am now 5780 years old, 1.75 million earth years, more or less, and still alive and kicking.

Whether intentional or not, his numbering aligns perfectly when deciphering various time lengths within the Bible. Now hobelim does not take many of the Old Testament Stories literally but has provided solid evidence that many of the stories are philosophical in nature.

In this thread, I will provide evidence that the Bible is a divinely inspired, perfect work of God: Physically, Spiritually and Philosophically.

We can begin by using hoblem's ratios of his 5780 years equals 1.75 million earth years. These ratios can already be supported by science. If you have a space craft that can go far enough away from Earth and come close enough to a black hole, by the time the space craft returns to Earth, 100+ years could pass for every few months you are gone. That gives us a ration of 302 Earth years for every 1 of "Divine" years.

Now we can multiply his by 120 (Common number in the OT) since The God of creation would have been significantly further away, etc. That would give us around 36,240 which averages out to 100 days per 1 Earth day. Meaning God could have created the Earth in approximately 600-700 Earthly years but 6-7 heavenly years. Considering higher level dimensions, far superior intelligence, etc, seems, etc could very well be likely. If the bing bang is accurate, God would have had a plan drawn out and then essentially started it off.

As far as the creation stories in Genesis go, there are 2 creation stories. The first points to God creating the Cosmos, Earth, animals, mankind, etc in 6 days. On the 7th day he "rested" creating the Sabbath (Takan from Sabbatical, meaning to leave). Well, he likely left and sometime between then and before the 2nd creation story, a war in heaven broke out. Keep in mind every 10 years in heaven could be equivalent to 360,000 Earth years. (I'm using 10 years because if you read other ancient texts, Greeks, Sumerian, etc they all describe wars between "the gods" and they typically lasted about 10 years. The Dragon and his angels were then cast down to Earth but by the time he was cast down, good chance 300,000 years past on Earth. In that time period, reptilians dominated the Earth with early man (most likely Neanderthals) evolving to Cro-Magnon man, etc.

If you notice, in the Garden of Eden story, God is referred to as Lord God, which points to the possibility that he was a different deity than the original creator. If you compare to other creation stories, the dragon was actually slain and used to create the divide between the heavens and the Earth. It was her offspring that later went down and caused havoc on Earth. Regardless, in the Garden of Eden is the most likely point where modern mankind (Homo Sapiens) would have been created. Also, if you look at the jump in evolution between Neanderthals/Cro Magnons to Homo Sapiens, it's quite a big jump. How did they do it?

The most likely scenario is written in the story itself - genetic manipulation. The Lord God made woman from the bone which He had taken from the man. This is one of the more ridiculed stories by atheists, etc but finally, we have a revelation of what likely occurred. If you look at male and female chromosomes, they are XY for males and XX for females. And the reason they are called that is because that's exactly what they look like under a microscope.

The "bone" or "rib" taken is would have been an X becoming a Y. Do you see how "took a bone from man" is actually the genetic makeup between males and females? The fact that it was written 4000+ years ago when people had no idea about genes, etc almost confirms that mankind was intelligently designed and code words/phrases used throughout the Bible so people could understand it in simple terms. X take the corner (bone) becomes Y.



And finally for the grand revelation:

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John 2:
19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.”

20 They replied, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?” 21 But the temple he had spoken of was his body. 22 After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken.

Now remember, the Bible is written on multiple levels - both physical and spiritual. Was Jesus speaking of his "body" as the temple? Yes he was. That said, if his prophecy is divine, the temple should also be restored. He considered the Temple "his Father's house" so how could it ever be restored in 3 days? Pay attention: As we discussed, 100 years on Earth can be the equivalent of 1 divine/heavenly day. Jesus died on the cross, descended to hades then resurrected 3 days later - so the physical part was accomplished. Within that time frame, Jesus came back and appeared to his Apostles in various, divine forms but in Jesus' divine time, only a few hours likely passed while months passed here on Earth.

The temple of Jerusalem was destroyed in approximately 73 AD. Which led to the setup of the Abomination of Desolation, spoken about both in the books of Daniel and in the Gospels. (Turning what was left of the Temple into a pagan temple, no more daily sacrifice, and setting up Roman Eagle symbols and arches - which would have been the biggest possible insult to the people of Jerusalem at the time). When this happened, it catapulted Christianity to be spread like wildfire throughout the Roman Empire over the next 300 years.

Almost exactly 300 years later, in 380 AD, Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire. 300 Earthly years = 3 heavenly Years. Jesus had prophesied the 3 Earthly years correctly referring to his body and 3 heavenly years (300 Earthly years) for his divine plan of resurrecting his temple, which had become the entire Roman Empire. To follow are passages that help validate this revelation:

The Parable of the Lost Son​

11 Jesus continued: “There was a man who had two sons. 12 The younger one said to his father, ‘Father, give me my share of the estate.’ So he divided his property between them.

13 “Not long after that, the younger son got together all he had, set off for a distant country and there squandered his wealth in wild living. 14 After he had spent everything, there was a severe famine in that whole country, and he began to be in need. 15 So he went and hired himself out to a citizen of that country, who sent him to his fields to feed pigs. 16 He longed to fill his stomach with the pods that the pigs were eating, but no one gave him anything.

17 “When he came to his senses, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired servants have food to spare, and here I am starving to death! 18 I will set out and go back to my father and say to him: Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. 19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me like one of your hired servants.’ 20 So he got up and went to his father.

“But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and was filled with compassion for him; he ran to his son, threw his arms around him and kissed him.

21 “The son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’ (Jesus was speaking about the fall of the Jewish Temple, the corruption and the sins he inherited)

22 “But the father said to his servants, ‘Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on him. Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. 23 Bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let’s have a feast and celebrate. 24 For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ So they began to celebrate.

25 “Meanwhile, the older son was in the field. When he came near the house, he heard music and dancing. 26 So he called one of the servants and asked him what was going on. 27 ‘Your brother has come,’ he replied, ‘and your father has killed the fattened calf because he has him back safe and sound.’

28 “The older brother became angry and refused to go in. So his father went out and pleaded with him. 29 But he answered his father, ‘Look! All these years I’ve been slaving for you and never disobeyed your orders. Yet you never gave me even a young goat so I could celebrate with my friends. 30 But when this son of yours who has squandered your property with prostitutes comes home, you kill the fattened calf for him!’

31 “‘My son,’ the father said, ‘you are always with me, and everything I have is yours. 32 But we had to celebrate and be glad, because this brother of yours was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’” (His physical body died then became alive again, his Kingdom was destroyed (lost) then was found again).

Chapter 13 of Mark's gospel is a speech of Jesus concerning the return of the Son of Man and the advent of the Kingdom of God, which will be signaled by the appearance of the "abomination of desolation".[3] It begins with Jesus in the temple informing his disciples that "not one stone here will be left on another, all will be thrown down"; the disciples ask when this will happen, and in Mark 13:14 Jesus tells them: "[W]hen you see the abomination of desolation standing where he ought not to be (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains" (Mark 13:14). Mark's terminology is drawn from Daniel, but he places the fulfilment of the prophecy in his own day,[27] underlining this in Mark 13:30 by stating that "this generation will not pass away before all these things take place."

Happened precisely as was written in both Daniel and Mark.

Revelation 20:

4 Then I saw thrones and seated on them were those who had been given authority to judge also saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of the testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. These had not worshiped the beast or his image and had refused to receive his mark on their forehead or hand. (They did not surrender to the Roman Empire or worship its gods instead, they essentially took it over and they did it following Jesus' path of peace) They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

The Holy Roman Empire, also known as the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation after 1512, was a polity in Central and Western Europe, usually headed by the Holy Roman Emperor.[19] It developed in the Early Middle Ages and lasted for almost 1000 years until its dissolution in 1806 during the Napoleonic Wars.[20]

And why did it come to an end? Because the beast (Napoleon) was unleashed for a short time.

Wake up folks, it's all there.

This is silly. A day is a day.

The body of Christ had already been growing even before the crucifixion. Of course that temple was already being built within three days. Jews were leaving the body of Moses and entering the body of Christ; it was happening even before the resurrection.

The Bible is not a mystery, yet how we pile onto it theory upon theory.

 

[ding]

My understanding is that everyone who sets aside the divine commands chooses death and descend into hades, hell, now.

So what you are saying, secular Jesus, is that you don't believe in a literal heaven and hell. It's all a metaphor, right?

 

[ding]

Thats a very hopeful thought. But, according to the story, Satan has descendants, on earth.

Do you think that there have been some people in history that would always make evil a deliberate choice, fully aware of the consequences, even if they could live forever?

What then?

We don't see anyone doing "evil" for the sake of "evil." Even Satan. Satan does "evil" for his own good.

A more accurate way of looking at "evil" is that "evil" is the absence of good. It's helpful to remember, that the creator is infinite goodness and everything he created is good.

It's also helpful to remember that from our perspective the creator is a supernatural being.

 

[hobelim]

So what you are saying, secular Jesus, is that you don't believe in a literal heaven and hell. It's all a metaphor, right?

Wrong. Heaven and hell are ancient metaphors that accurately describe actual states of mind that directly affect every perception and every experience of life whether for good or evil...

As I have told you before, many many many many many times, I will tell you again. Try to hear.

Since the very day that you knowingly set aside the first commandment decades ago and got down on your knees in the deranged adoration of a lifeless matzo made by human hands that you worship and eat for spiritual life you died and descended into hades, the realm of the dead, where you remain to this day enslaved by your pride in sinning, yet tormented day and night by reality which contradicts your delusions day and night like a consuming fire that will never go out

Your inability to acknowledge your dedication to sinning a sin that is as obvious as a white boulder in the middle of a plowed field is evidence that the curse consequent to defying divine law and hell are actual realities for you who religiously lies in the name of God, desecrates the teachings of Jesus, and misleads others to do the same which amounts to murder in Gods eyes.

You have your reward already!....Woo hoo! Hallelujah! Praise God! Thank you Jesus! Amen!

The more you proceed towards God and paradise in your unrestrained imagination by sinning, the more you recede from God and paradise in actuality, always dying every single time you defy the law of God at mass, never finding peace in death. A deep and profound religious experience!

Whee! Enjoy!

 

[hobelim]

This is silly. A day is a day.

The text, 2 Peter 3:8 says; To the Lord ‘one day is like a thousand years’ showing that The Lord is outside of time as earthlings know it.

 

[Donald H]

Which prophets described that? What were their names?

They weren't writing science or history textbooks. If you want to read Genesis literally or believe in aliens, go for it. There's no difference in craziness.

Your church took a giant step to overcome the issue of reading the bibles literally, by throwing out genesis completely and accepting Darwinian evolution.

Now the few Catholics who actually care are trying to reconcile creation and evolution together.

Now you have the true literal believers in the bibles to deal with.

They're sticking to the big fish story with a man in it's belly and they're refusing to backslide.

 

[Donald H]

Wrong. Heaven and hell are ancient metaphors that accurately describe actual states of mind that directly affect every perception and every experience of life whether for good or evil...

As I have told you before, many many many many many times, I will tell you again. Try to hear.

Since the very day that you knowingly set aside the first commandment decades ago and got down on your knees in the deranged adoration of a lifeless matzo made by human hands that you worship and eat for spiritual life you died and descended into hades, the realm of the dead, where you remain to this day enslaved by your pride in sinning, yet tormented day and night by reality which contradicts your delusions day and night like a consuming fire that will never go out

Your inability to acknowledge your dedication to sinning a sin that is as obvious as a white boulder in the middle of a plowed field is evidence that the curse consequent to defying divine law and hell are actual realities for you who religiously lies in the name of God, desecrates the teachings of Jesus, and misleads others to do the same which amounts to murder in Gods eyes.

You have your reward already!....Woo hoo! Hallelujah! Praise God! Thank you Jesus! Amen!

The more you proceed towards God and paradise in your unrestrained imagination by sinning, the more you recede from God and paradise in actuality, always dying every single time you defy the law of God at mass, never finding peace in death. A deep and profound religious experience!

Whee! Enjoy!

Ding can't accept bible tales such as living in the belly of a big fish for days. He has out of necessity invented his own interpretation of that story.

All Christians need to get there with him soon!

This board has but one literal believer in the bibles, and that one a appears to have disappeared? Or raptured?

 

[ding]

Wrong. Heaven and hell are ancient metaphors that accurately describe actual states of mind that directly affect every perception and every experience of life whether for good or evil...

As I have told you before, many many many many many times, I will tell you again. Try to hear.

Since the very day that you knowingly set aside the first commandment decades ago and got down on your knees in the deranged adoration of a lifeless matzo made by human hands that you worship and eat for spiritual life you died and descended into hades, the realm of the dead, where you remain to this day enslaved by your pride in sinning, yet tormented day and night by reality which contradicts your delusions day and night like a consuming fire that will never go out

Your inability to acknowledge your dedication to sinning a sin that is as obvious as a white boulder in the middle of a plowed field is evidence that the curse consequent to defying divine law and hell are actual realities for you who religiously lies in the name of God, desecrates the teachings of Jesus, and misleads others to do the same which amounts to murder in Gods eyes.

You have your reward already!....Woo hoo! Hallelujah! Praise God! Thank you Jesus! Amen!

The more you proceed towards God and paradise in your unrestrained imagination by sinning, the more you recede from God and paradise in actuality, always dying every single time you defy the law of God at mass, never finding peace in death. A deep and profound religious experience!

Whee! Enjoy!

I think you just proved my point that you see heaven and hell as a metaphor.

 

[ding]

Your church took a giant step to overcome the issue of reading the bibles literally, by throwing out genesis completely and accepting Darwinian evolution.

Now the few Catholics who actually care are trying to reconcile creation and evolution together.

Now you have the true literal believers in the bibles to deal with.

They're sticking to the big fish story with a man in it's belly and they're refusing to backslide.

Your summaries are always good for a laugh. Love how you twist them to suit your purpose. What could possibly go wrong with that?

 

[ding]

Ding can't accept bible tales such as living in the belly of a big fish for days. He has out of necessity invented his own interpretation of that story.

All Christians need to get there with him soon!

This board has but one literal believer in the bibles, and that one a appears to have disappeared? Or raptured?

Never mind the plethora of examples on the internet of serious examination. You want everyone to interpret it like your Westboro Baptist church.

 

[surada]

It wouldn't let me edit the original post but there were a few things I wanted to add. Most of the theories are just based on me reading the Bible and seeing other potential meanings. The Bible is full of them, many philosophical, physical and spiritual. So obviously, they are intended to provoke thought, nothing more, nothing less. That's the way I view something I admire and respect. T

It took me close to 40+ years to discover them (if they are correct) so it's not something I haven't spent some time on. I never thought I had the "authority" to state some of them since they directly reference religious texts - and I would never want to offend anyone. But I find it thrilling that an ancient text could be written 4000+ years ago and contain more substance, wisdom and understandning of human nature, laws, etc than any other series of books I've ever read.

The irony is that whenever someone asks me how may books I've read or have read recently, my usual response is, "Well, I've read the Bible dozens of times" So I'm not a book worm (wish I was sometimes) just someone who has been drawn to the Bible throughout my life.

You have things in completely wrong sequence. Do you have reading comprehension problems?

 

[HaShev]

The Strut you take when you're the sane one in the room.