Dems' attacks on Koch brothers failed

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Voters didn't buy it: Left struggled to move voters with Koch attacks and other big-money messages - The Washington Post

Why not?

The answer is (and was) obvious. Both parties are bought off.

Duh.

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I disagree. The answer is people dont care. No one thinks the Koch Bros are some evil geniuses sitting behind a curtain pulling strings. OK, maybe Harry Reid thinks that, along with some of the dimmer posters on this board.
But most Dems simply looked at where they are after 6years of Democrats and concluded that while they would never vote GOP they didnt have to vote at all. And that's what happened.
The groups that most supported Obama, blacks, recent college grads, all were AWOL on election day. And no wonder. They are doing worse than anyone else.
 
Can you provide what you consider the result of the government being "bought off?" What is it that the Koch brothers are buying? Or attempting to buy?
 
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Voters didn't buy it: Left struggled to move voters with Koch attacks and other big-money messages - The Washington Post

Why not?

The answer is (and was) obvious. Both parties are bought off.

Duh.

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95% of the Dem base thinks the Koch Brothers are a crack ring.

They kept hammering and hammering, without once looking in the mirror.

That was the amazing part to me.

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What is amazing is that many Americans actually believe the Koch brothers are evil. They can't or won't accept the fact that both parties have extremely wealthy donors who wish to influence elections, using their money.

Of course, the leftist press promotes propaganda and many Americans are easily swayed.
 
What is amazing is that many Americans actually believe the Koch brothers are evil. They can't or won't accept the fact that both parties have extremely wealthy donors who wish to influence elections, using their money.

I agree, i would like to see Soros limited as well.

But the idea a few crazy billionaires can dump billions into our politics to acheive the results they want is not good for Democracy.
 
What is it that the Koch brothers are buying? Or attempting to buy?



Really freewilly? Really? After all this time on a political message board, you couldn't figure out that the ultra rich buy access, influence and loyalty from our wonderful politicians.

Both parties do that. And it sucks because I can't do that. I don't have billions in money to "give" away to a politician.

And really freewilly. Do you think ultra rich people give up all that money for no consideration. They give away hundreds of millions of dollars out of the goodness of their hearts. But only to politicians. Cause they are "needy".

Please don't say that's what you believe.
 
What is amazing is that many Americans actually believe the Koch brothers are evil. They can't or won't accept the fact that both parties have extremely wealthy donors who wish to influence elections, using their money.

I agree, i would like to see Soros limited as well.

But the idea a few crazy billionaires can dump billions into our politics to acheive the results they want is not good for Democracy.
How did SOros or that other big Dem donor get what they wanted?
 
What is it that the Koch brothers are buying? Or attempting to buy?


Really freewilly? Really? After all this time on a political message board, you couldn't figure out that the ultra rich buy access, influence and loyalty from our wonderful politicians.

Both parties do that. And it sucks because I can't do that. I don't have billions in money to "give" away to a politician.

And really freewilly. Do you think ultra rich people give up all that money for no consideration. They give away hundreds of millions of dollars out of the goodness of their hearts. But only to politicians. Cause they are "needy".

Please don't say that's what you believe.

Of course they buy access no doubt but what initiative do you think has caused you harm that is pushed by Koch or Soros.

Yes of course you can spout the popular line, but can you back it?
 
What is disturbing is that RWs are in favor of having their votes bought and paid for.

Right or left, Dem or Repub, we need to get Big Money out of our elections. That will never happen though because the stupid right welcomed criminals like the Koch's in and there is no way now to get rid of them.

In years to come, you RWs can tell your grandchildren that you voted to take their future away from them. Be sure to tell them that you were wrong about the Koch's and that the liberals were correct about them being incredibly evil.
 
A 30 year Republican congressional staff member who served on both the House and Senate budget committees disagrees...

Reflections of a GOP Operative Who Left the Cult

But both parties are not rotten in quite the same way. The Democrats have their share of machine politicians, careerists, corporate bagmen, egomaniacs and kooks. Nothing, however, quite matches the modern GOP.

Thus far, I have concentrated on Republican tactics, rather than Republican beliefs, but the tactics themselves are important indicators of an absolutist, authoritarian mindset that is increasingly hostile to the democratic values of reason, compromise and conciliation. Rather, this mindset seeks polarizing division (Karl Rove has been very explicit that this is his principal campaign strategy), conflict and the crushing of opposition.

As for what they really believe, the Republican Party of 2011 believes in three principal tenets I have laid out below. The rest of their platform one may safely dismiss as window dressing:

1. The GOP cares solely and exclusively about its rich contributors. The party has built a whole catechism on the protection and further enrichment of America's plutocracy. Their caterwauling about deficit and debt is so much eyewash to con the public. Whatever else President Obama has accomplished (and many of his purported accomplishments are highly suspect), his $4-trillion deficit reduction package did perform the useful service of smoking out Republican hypocrisy. The GOP refused, because it could not abide so much as a one-tenth of one percent increase on the tax rates of the Walton family or the Koch brothers, much less a repeal of the carried interest rule that permits billionaire hedge fund managers to pay income tax at a lower effective rate than cops or nurses. Republicans finally settled on a deal that had far less deficit reduction - and even less spending reduction! - than Obama's offer, because of their iron resolution to protect at all costs our society's overclass.

Republicans have attempted to camouflage their amorous solicitude for billionaires with a fog of misleading rhetoric. John Boehner is fond of saying, "we won't raise anyone's taxes," as if the take-home pay of an Olive Garden waitress were inextricably bound up with whether Warren Buffett pays his capital gains as ordinary income or at a lower rate. Another chestnut is that millionaires and billionaires are "job creators." US corporations have just had their most profitable quarters in history; Apple, for one, is sitting on $76 billion in cash, more than the GDP of most countries. So, where are the jobs?

Another smokescreen is the "small business" meme, since standing up for Mom's and Pop's corner store is politically more attractive than to be seen shilling for a megacorporation. Raising taxes on the wealthy will kill small business' ability to hire; that is the GOP dirge every time Bernie Sanders or some Democrat offers an amendment to increase taxes on incomes above $1 million. But the number of small businesses that have a net annual income over a million dollars is de minimis, if not by definition impossible (as they would no longer be small businesses). And as data from the Center for Economic and Policy Research have shown, small businesses account for only 7.2 percent of total US employment, a significantly smaller share of total employment than in most Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) countries.
 
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Voters didn't buy it: Left struggled to move voters with Koch attacks and other big-money messages - The Washington Post

Why not?

The answer is (and was) obvious. Both parties are bought off.

Duh.

.
95% of the Dem base thinks the Koch Brothers are a crack ring.

They kept hammering and hammering, without once looking in the mirror.

That was the amazing part to me.

.

What is amazing is that many Americans actually believe the Koch brothers are evil. They can't or won't accept the fact that both parties have extremely wealthy donors who wish to influence elections, using their money.

Of course, the leftist press promotes propaganda and many Americans are easily swayed.

Halliburton is still used as a contractor by the government even under Obama.
 
A 30 year Republican congressional staff member who served on both the House and Senate budget committees disagrees...

Reflections of a GOP Operative Who Left the Cult

But both parties are not rotten in quite the same way. The Democrats have their share of machine politicians, careerists, corporate bagmen, egomaniacs and kooks. Nothing, however, quite matches the modern GOP.

Thus far, I have concentrated on Republican tactics, rather than Republican beliefs, but the tactics themselves are important indicators of an absolutist, authoritarian mindset that is increasingly hostile to the democratic values of reason, compromise and conciliation. Rather, this mindset seeks polarizing division (Karl Rove has been very explicit that this is his principal campaign strategy), conflict and the crushing of opposition.

As for what they really believe, the Republican Party of 2011 believes in three principal tenets I have laid out below. The rest of their platform one may safely dismiss as window dressing:

1. The GOP cares solely and exclusively about its rich contributors. The party has built a whole catechism on the protection and further enrichment of America's plutocracy. Their caterwauling about deficit and debt is so much eyewash to con the public. Whatever else President Obama has accomplished (and many of his purported accomplishments are highly suspect), his $4-trillion deficit reduction package did perform the useful service of smoking out Republican hypocrisy. The GOP refused, because it could not abide so much as a one-tenth of one percent increase on the tax rates of the Walton family or the Koch brothers, much less a repeal of the carried interest rule that permits billionaire hedge fund managers to pay income tax at a lower effective rate than cops or nurses. Republicans finally settled on a deal that had far less deficit reduction - and even less spending reduction! - than Obama's offer, because of their iron resolution to protect at all costs our society's overclass.

Republicans have attempted to camouflage their amorous solicitude for billionaires with a fog of misleading rhetoric. John Boehner is fond of saying, "we won't raise anyone's taxes," as if the take-home pay of an Olive Garden waitress were inextricably bound up with whether Warren Buffett pays his capital gains as ordinary income or at a lower rate. Another chestnut is that millionaires and billionaires are "job creators." US corporations have just had their most profitable quarters in history; Apple, for one, is sitting on $76 billion in cash, more than the GDP of most countries. So, where are the jobs?

Another smokescreen is the "small business" meme, since standing up for Mom's and Pop's corner store is politically more attractive than to be seen shilling for a megacorporation. Raising taxes on the wealthy will kill small business' ability to hire; that is the GOP dirge every time Bernie Sanders or some Democrat offers an amendment to increase taxes on incomes above $1 million. But the number of small businesses that have a net annual income over a million dollars is de minimis, if not by definition impossible (as they would no longer be small businesses). And as data from the Center for Economic and Policy Research have shown, small businesses account for only 7.2 percent of total US employment, a significantly smaller share of total employment than in most Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) countries.

It's extremely important for Democrats to spread this lie because they are quickly losing support from the Middle-Class.
 
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What is the purpose of the leftist attacks on the Koch Bros?

To paint the GOP with a broad brush of being for the rich.

Truth is, Democrats support policies that are destroying the Middle-class. Obama wants to sign an EO to grant amnesty, but he wants to blame it on the GOP. What's he waiting for? He could have done this long ago. What he wants to do is trick the Republicans into doing it so they'll get the blame. But what will amnesty do?

It will water down the votes of legal citizens making them matter much less. If you think your vote doesn't matter now, wait till Obama and the Democrats flood every state with millions of non-English speaking newcomers that most assuredly will come once he grants amnesty to the ones that are already here.
This is the transformation Obama spoke of. Look what it's doing to the UK and France and almost did to Australia.
 
I am never clear about what the left thinks. Are Republicans slacked jawed Bible thumbing gun toting gay hating poor racist southern KKK members or diabolically rich patrons?
 

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