Dems want a Civil War

[Faun]

Disgusting that you hold Trump up as the equivalent of Putin

equivalent is your word not mine. Putin is a KGB thug. Trump is a successful American businessman. There is no equivalency there. The equivalency is in that they both want what is best for their country. If we automatically make Russia an enemy rather than trying to find common ground with them, everyone loses.

We do not have to agree with a leader in order to work with him. The idea that we have to force our beliefs and culture on the rest of the world is one of the reasons we are so screwed up right now, and the reason for many of our stupid wasteful wars.

Obama wanted what was best for the country....so has every other President

You are just too partisan to recognize it

So, creating racial unrest and tension was good for the country? Doubling the debt was good for the country? Denigrating cops and military was good for the country? Obozocare was good for the country? Cancelling the national day of prayer and holding a muslim prayer day was good for the country? Lying about Benghazi was good for the country?

YOU, are the one who is too partisan to see the truth.

Bush doubled the debt and the right didn't care. Reagan tripled the debt and the right didn't care.

sure we cared. adding to the debt is never good. I personally went on record that it was the wrong thing for them to do.

BUT, neither of them added 1 trillion to the debt. Obama did. Actual dollars matter.

Stop lying. The right never complained and even defended them. And what do you mean they didn't add 1 trillion? Reagan added 1.5 trillion and Bush added 5 trillion.

 

[owebo]

equivalent is your word not mine. Putin is a KGB thug. Trump is a successful American businessman. There is no equivalency there. The equivalency is in that they both want what is best for their country. If we automatically make Russia an enemy rather than trying to find common ground with them, everyone loses.

We do not have to agree with a leader in order to work with him. The idea that we have to force our beliefs and culture on the rest of the world is one of the reasons we are so screwed up right now, and the reason for many of our stupid wasteful wars.

Obama wanted what was best for the country....so has every other President

You are just too partisan to recognize it

So, creating racial unrest and tension was good for the country? Doubling the debt was good for the country? Denigrating cops and military was good for the country? Obozocare was good for the country? Cancelling the national day of prayer and holding a muslim prayer day was good for the country? Lying about Benghazi was good for the country?

YOU, are the one who is too partisan to see the truth.

Bush doubled the debt and the right didn't care. Reagan tripled the debt and the right didn't care.

sure we cared. adding to the debt is never good. I personally went on record that it was the wrong thing for them to do.

BUT, neither of them added 1 trillion to the debt. Obama did. Actual dollars matter.

Stop lying. The right never complained and even defended them. And what do you mean they didn't add 1 trillion? Reagan added 1.5 trillion and Bush added 5 trillion.

We got a great return on investment from Reagan...

We just got over 20 trillion of fail under Obama....

 

[Redfish]

equivalent is your word not mine. Putin is a KGB thug. Trump is a successful American businessman. There is no equivalency there. The equivalency is in that they both want what is best for their country. If we automatically make Russia an enemy rather than trying to find common ground with them, everyone loses.

We do not have to agree with a leader in order to work with him. The idea that we have to force our beliefs and culture on the rest of the world is one of the reasons we are so screwed up right now, and the reason for many of our stupid wasteful wars.

Obama wanted what was best for the country....so has every other President

You are just too partisan to recognize it

So, creating racial unrest and tension was good for the country? Doubling the debt was good for the country? Denigrating cops and military was good for the country? Obozocare was good for the country? Cancelling the national day of prayer and holding a muslim prayer day was good for the country? Lying about Benghazi was good for the country?

YOU, are the one who is too partisan to see the truth.

Bush doubled the debt and the right didn't care. Reagan tripled the debt and the right didn't care.

sure we cared. adding to the debt is never good. I personally went on record that it was the wrong thing for them to do.

BUT, neither of them added 1 trillion to the debt. Obama did. Actual dollars matter.

Stop lying. The right never complained and even defended them. And what do you mean they didn't add 1 trillion? Reagan added 1.5 trillion and Bush added 5 trillion.

sorry, I left off a zero. Obama added 10 trillion. More than all other presidents combined

Thanks for helping me make my point.

 

[Pogo]

If Trump was somehow stopped from being President... there would be zero civil war. Trump supporters will just get on forums across the internet and cry about it.

You mean, sort of like how the dems did when they lost?

The best you could hope for is throwing the election to the house(which will never happen). If you did that, no Republican in the house would be dumb enough to throw their reelection chances down the toilet. The Majority of Republicans nominated trump. To throw the election from trump would be political suicide for any Republican.

Not if they all elected Kasich instead.

Why the hell would anyone be happy with that? Kasich was sent down the road for a reason and it sure as hell wasn't because we actually liked him and want him for president. The fact you think you would be happy with him doesn't mean shit to the rest of us that voted him out. Fuck Kasich.

There is already a strong base of people regretting their votes for Trump... Kasich would appease them.

The Rumpbot Klan doesn't even see the hordes of discontented in their own party who have privately and publicly renounced Rump. The George Wills, the Susan Collinses, the Charles Krauthamers et al. Their myopia sees only Orange Sunshine and his attendant hallucinations.

This thread has all the gravitas of a makeshift tree house with "No Gurls" painted on the outside. It's cute in its naïveté but that's about it.

 

[Redfish]

If Trump was somehow stopped from being President... there would be zero civil war. Trump supporters will just get on forums across the internet and cry about it.

You mean, sort of like how the dems did when they lost?

The best you could hope for is throwing the election to the house(which will never happen). If you did that, no Republican in the house would be dumb enough to throw their reelection chances down the toilet. The Majority of Republicans nominated trump. To throw the election from trump would be political suicide for any Republican.

Not if they all elected Kasich instead.

Why the hell would anyone be happy with that? Kasich was sent down the road for a reason and it sure as hell wasn't because we actually liked him and want him for president. The fact you think you would be happy with him doesn't mean shit to the rest of us that voted him out. Fuck Kasich.

There is already a strong base of people regretting their votes for Trump... Kasich would appease them.

The Rumpbot Klan doesn't even see the hordes of discontented in their own party who have privately and publicly renounced Rump. The George Wills, the Susan Collinses, the Charles Krauthamers et al. Their myopia sees only Orange Sunshine and his attendant hallucinations.

This thread has all the gravitas of a makeshift tree house with "No Gurls" painted on the outside. It's cute in its naïveté but that's about it.

those establishment clowns have been rendered impotent and insignificant by the American people.

Come back in 100 days and if you are honest you will be singing a different tune. But you aren't honest, so no one is counting on that.

 

[Faun]

Obama wanted what was best for the country....so has every other President

You are just too partisan to recognize it

So, creating racial unrest and tension was good for the country? Doubling the debt was good for the country? Denigrating cops and military was good for the country? Obozocare was good for the country? Cancelling the national day of prayer and holding a muslim prayer day was good for the country? Lying about Benghazi was good for the country?

YOU, are the one who is too partisan to see the truth.

Bush doubled the debt and the right didn't care. Reagan tripled the debt and the right didn't care.

sure we cared. adding to the debt is never good. I personally went on record that it was the wrong thing for them to do.

BUT, neither of them added 1 trillion to the debt. Obama did. Actual dollars matter.

Stop lying. The right never complained and even defended them. And what do you mean they didn't add 1 trillion? Reagan added 1.5 trillion and Bush added 5 trillion.

sorry, I left off a zero. Obama added 10 trillion. More than all other presidents combined

Thanks for helping me make my point.

You're lyling again.

Obama ...............................,.......... $9.3 trillion
All other presidents combined ... $10.6 trillion

Do you ever stop lying?

Ever??

 

[Redfish]

So, creating racial unrest and tension was good for the country? Doubling the debt was good for the country? Denigrating cops and military was good for the country? Obozocare was good for the country? Cancelling the national day of prayer and holding a muslim prayer day was good for the country? Lying about Benghazi was good for the country?

YOU, are the one who is too partisan to see the truth.

Bush doubled the debt and the right didn't care. Reagan tripled the debt and the right didn't care.

sure we cared. adding to the debt is never good. I personally went on record that it was the wrong thing for them to do.

BUT, neither of them added 1 trillion to the debt. Obama did. Actual dollars matter.

Stop lying. The right never complained and even defended them. And what do you mean they didn't add 1 trillion? Reagan added 1.5 trillion and Bush added 5 trillion.

sorry, I left off a zero. Obama added 10 trillion. More than all other presidents combined

Thanks for helping me make my point.

You're lyling again.

Obama ...............................,.......... $9.3 trillion
All other presidents combined ... $10.6 trillion

Do you ever stop lying?

Ever??

Ok, rounding. Do you understand that concept? How's this? Obama added almost as much to the debt as all previous presidents combined. Happy now, moron?

 

[Faun]

Bush doubled the debt and the right didn't care. Reagan tripled the debt and the right didn't care.

sure we cared. adding to the debt is never good. I personally went on record that it was the wrong thing for them to do.

BUT, neither of them added 1 trillion to the debt. Obama did. Actual dollars matter.

Stop lying. The right never complained and even defended them. And what do you mean they didn't add 1 trillion? Reagan added 1.5 trillion and Bush added 5 trillion.

sorry, I left off a zero. Obama added 10 trillion. More than all other presidents combined

Thanks for helping me make my point.

You're lyling again.

Obama ...............................,.......... $9.3 trillion
All other presidents combined ... $10.6 trillion

Do you ever stop lying?

Ever??

Ok, rounding. Do you understand that concept? How's this? Obama added almost as much to the debt as all previous presidents combined. Happy now, moron?

LOLOL

Rounding makes it worse for you.

Obama ......................................... $9 trillion
All other presidents combined...... $11 trillion

 

[Redfish]

sure we cared. adding to the debt is never good. I personally went on record that it was the wrong thing for them to do.

BUT, neither of them added 1 trillion to the debt. Obama did. Actual dollars matter.

Stop lying. The right never complained and even defended them. And what do you mean they didn't add 1 trillion? Reagan added 1.5 trillion and Bush added 5 trillion.

sorry, I left off a zero. Obama added 10 trillion. More than all other presidents combined

Thanks for helping me make my point.

You're lyling again.

Obama ...............................,.......... $9.3 trillion
All other presidents combined ... $10.6 trillion

Do you ever stop lying?

Ever??

Ok, rounding. Do you understand that concept? How's this? Obama added almost as much to the debt as all previous presidents combined. Happy now, moron?

LOLOL

Rounding makes it worse for you.

Obama ......................................... $9 trillion
All other presidents combined...... $11 trillion

Geez. give it up with the hair splitting. Obozo's debt record is worse than any previous president by a " significant" margin.

 

[Coyote]

How would you address the inequity and injustice in the way the death penalty is applied in the US? Or would that matter?

What inequity or injustice are you referring to? If you mean race, I already provided evidence that whites face the death penalty more than blacks. And if you look at the chart I provided earlier, and understand that black commit 53% of the murders, it's clear they are getting a better break than whites.

Whites face the death penalty more ONLY because they represent a much larger portion of the population. If you look at it proportionate to population blacks are much more likely to get the death penalty (as well as hispanics) for the same crime than a white person: The Death Penalty in Black and White: Who Lives, Who Dies, Who Decides | Death Penalty Information Center

From initial charging decisions to plea bargaining to jury sentencing, African-Americans are treated more harshly when they are defendants, and their lives are accorded less value when they are victims. All-white or virtually all-white juries are still commonplace in many localities.

Death Penalty and Race

• A report sponsored by the American Bar Association in 2007 concluded that one-third of African-American death row inmates in Philadelphia would have received sentences of life imprisonment if they had not been African-American.
• A January 2003 study released by the University of Maryland concluded that race and geography are major factors in death penalty decisions. Specifically, prosecutors are more likely to seek a death sentence when the race of the victim is white and are less likely to seek a death sentence when the victim is African-American.
• A 2007 study of death sentences in Connecticut conducted by Yale University School of Law revealed that African-American defendants receive the death penalty at three times the rate of white defendants in cases where the victims are white. In addition, killers of white victims are treated more severely than people who kill minorities, when it comes to deciding what charges to bring.

Poverty is also much more likely to guarantee a death sentence:

Poverty is a similar -- and often additional -- handicap. Because the lawyers provided to indigent defendants charged with capital crimes are so uniformly undertrained and undercompensated, the 90 percent of capitally charged defendants who lack the resources to retain a private attorney are virtually guaranteed a death sentence. Together, therefore, race and class function as an elephant on death's side of the sentencing scale.​

When you have such gross inequities in the system, how can it be justice? It's not.

Percentage of the population is irrelevant unless the entire population faces the death penalty. What I'm talking about are those who commit the crime of murder.

In an equal society, if blacks commit 53% of the murders, we should have 53% of the death penalties handed to blacks. But we don't. More whites are sentenced to death than blacks based on the murders committed. Because blacks commit three times their population percentage of this country has nothing to do with race. There are just more black murderers than whites.

Again, let's look at the execution chart and remember that 45% of whites commit murders compared to 53% of blacks:


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If there is inequity within the races of murderers, then certainly this chart shows the inequity of whites--not blacks. More whites who committed murder were executed than blacks that committed murder even though they commit over 7% more murders than whites.

Most murders committed by blacks are on black victims. The death penalty is RARELY given when the victim is black or hispanic or doesn't rate high (poor, no college degree, etc).


The Death Penalty For Black & White Murderers Reveals How Capital Punishment Is Part Of The Racial Problem

In all cases resulting in execution in the last 40 years, 75 percent of the victims were white, according to the Death Penalty Information Center. Black people represent 15 percent of victims in death penalty cases, even though they are eight times more likely to be a homicide victim than white individuals, according to FiveThirtyEight's estimates.​

Racism and the Execution Chamber

Unchecked by the judiciary, the death penalty's racial discrepancy survived and thrived. Eleven years after McCleskey, Baldus studied 667 homicides in Philadelphia between 1983 and 1993 and found that black defendants there were nearly four times likelier than white defendants to receive a death sentence for the same crimes. Racial disparities in crime rates aren't a factor in this because homicide, the predominant capital offense, is an overwhelmingly intra-racial crime. Federal statistics show that 84 percent of white victims and 93 percent of black victims between 1980 and 2008 were murdered by someone of the same race. But death-row statistics don't reflect those rates: Although roughly half of all U.S. homicide victims are black, more than three-quarters of victims of death-row defendants executed since 1976 were white.​

That may make sense given the fact that there are way more whites being murdered by blacks than the other way around. If you have more cases of blacks killing whites, then it's likely you'll have more capital punishment of blacks killing whites:

View attachment 102565

Blacks are much more likely to be the VICTIMS of all homicides, and when they are the victims - the perpetrator is LESS likely to incur the death penalty. It does make sense that rate of black on white homicides is higher than white on black based solely on the fact that whites represent 66% of the population.

Either way though - we digressing hugely I was originally trying to show that liberal ideology in and of itself isn't being rejected in the main - that public polls show a large amount of agreement on key points regarding environment, abortion, immigration and the death penalty. So why such a polarization

 

[Faun]

Stop lying. The right never complained and even defended them. And what do you mean they didn't add 1 trillion? Reagan added 1.5 trillion and Bush added 5 trillion.

sorry, I left off a zero. Obama added 10 trillion. More than all other presidents combined

Thanks for helping me make my point.

You're lyling again.

Obama ...............................,.......... $9.3 trillion
All other presidents combined ... $10.6 trillion

Do you ever stop lying?

Ever??

Ok, rounding. Do you understand that concept? How's this? Obama added almost as much to the debt as all previous presidents combined. Happy now, moron?

LOLOL

Rounding makes it worse for you.

Obama ......................................... $9 trillion
All other presidents combined...... $11 trillion

Geez. give it up with the hair splitting. Obozo's debt record is worse than any previous president by a " significant" margin.

When are you gonna give up lying?

You claimed Obama increased the debt more than all other presidents combined....

Lie or truth?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What inequity or injustice are you referring to? If you mean race, I already provided evidence that whites face the death penalty more than blacks. And if you look at the chart I provided earlier, and understand that black commit 53% of the murders, it's clear they are getting a better break than whites.

Whites face the death penalty more ONLY because they represent a much larger portion of the population. If you look at it proportionate to population blacks are much more likely to get the death penalty (as well as hispanics) for the same crime than a white person: The Death Penalty in Black and White: Who Lives, Who Dies, Who Decides | Death Penalty Information Center

From initial charging decisions to plea bargaining to jury sentencing, African-Americans are treated more harshly when they are defendants, and their lives are accorded less value when they are victims. All-white or virtually all-white juries are still commonplace in many localities.

Death Penalty and Race

• A report sponsored by the American Bar Association in 2007 concluded that one-third of African-American death row inmates in Philadelphia would have received sentences of life imprisonment if they had not been African-American.
• A January 2003 study released by the University of Maryland concluded that race and geography are major factors in death penalty decisions. Specifically, prosecutors are more likely to seek a death sentence when the race of the victim is white and are less likely to seek a death sentence when the victim is African-American.
• A 2007 study of death sentences in Connecticut conducted by Yale University School of Law revealed that African-American defendants receive the death penalty at three times the rate of white defendants in cases where the victims are white. In addition, killers of white victims are treated more severely than people who kill minorities, when it comes to deciding what charges to bring.

Poverty is also much more likely to guarantee a death sentence:

Poverty is a similar -- and often additional -- handicap. Because the lawyers provided to indigent defendants charged with capital crimes are so uniformly undertrained and undercompensated, the 90 percent of capitally charged defendants who lack the resources to retain a private attorney are virtually guaranteed a death sentence. Together, therefore, race and class function as an elephant on death's side of the sentencing scale.​

When you have such gross inequities in the system, how can it be justice? It's not.

Percentage of the population is irrelevant unless the entire population faces the death penalty. What I'm talking about are those who commit the crime of murder.

In an equal society, if blacks commit 53% of the murders, we should have 53% of the death penalties handed to blacks. But we don't. More whites are sentenced to death than blacks based on the murders committed. Because blacks commit three times their population percentage of this country has nothing to do with race. There are just more black murderers than whites.

Again, let's look at the execution chart and remember that 45% of whites commit murders compared to 53% of blacks:


View attachment 102546

If there is inequity within the races of murderers, then certainly this chart shows the inequity of whites--not blacks. More whites who committed murder were executed than blacks that committed murder even though they commit over 7% more murders than whites.

Most murders committed by blacks are on black victims. The death penalty is RARELY given when the victim is black or hispanic or doesn't rate high (poor, no college degree, etc).


The Death Penalty For Black & White Murderers Reveals How Capital Punishment Is Part Of The Racial Problem

In all cases resulting in execution in the last 40 years, 75 percent of the victims were white, according to the Death Penalty Information Center. Black people represent 15 percent of victims in death penalty cases, even though they are eight times more likely to be a homicide victim than white individuals, according to FiveThirtyEight's estimates.​

Racism and the Execution Chamber

Unchecked by the judiciary, the death penalty's racial discrepancy survived and thrived. Eleven years after McCleskey, Baldus studied 667 homicides in Philadelphia between 1983 and 1993 and found that black defendants there were nearly four times likelier than white defendants to receive a death sentence for the same crimes. Racial disparities in crime rates aren't a factor in this because homicide, the predominant capital offense, is an overwhelmingly intra-racial crime. Federal statistics show that 84 percent of white victims and 93 percent of black victims between 1980 and 2008 were murdered by someone of the same race. But death-row statistics don't reflect those rates: Although roughly half of all U.S. homicide victims are black, more than three-quarters of victims of death-row defendants executed since 1976 were white.​

That may make sense given the fact that there are way more whites being murdered by blacks than the other way around. If you have more cases of blacks killing whites, then it's likely you'll have more capital punishment of blacks killing whites:

View attachment 102565

Blacks are much more likely to be the VICTIMS of all homicides, and when they are the victims - the perpetrator is LESS likely to incur the death penalty. It does make sense that rate of black on white homicides is higher than white on black based solely on the fact that whites represent 66% of the population.

Either way though - we digressing hugely I was originally trying to show that liberal ideology in and of itself isn't being rejected in the main - that public polls show a large amount of agreement on key points regarding environment, abortion, immigration and the death penalty. So why such a polarization

You can believe that if you want, but there is no evidence to support your case. Under DumBama, your party lost hundreds and hundreds of seats across the country. I don't call that liberal support in any way. Polls? We can all find polls to say what we want, but polls are only as reliable as the questions asked. Polls showed that Hilary was going to beat Trump without even trying. Exit polls showed the same. Polls are not science as we recently (and in the past) seen.

I had a similar discussion to ours with somebody who brought up prison sentences for blacks vs whites. Blacks get more time for doing the same type of crime than whites. That's all the study showed. But I've been to court. There are many other factors that go along with sentencing. The police talk to the judge before the case is heard to give them their take on the compliance of the suspect. Yes, judges hold disrespect of officers against the suspect. The judge is also aware of past criminal history--another thing the judge takes into consideration. Then there is the attitude of the suspect in court. If you act like a child in court and disrespect the judge by murmuring, shaking your head back and forth, rolling your eyes, guess what, that judge is not going go be favorable to your situation. He or she will get a harsher sentence than a person that shows remorse, respect to the court, and concern about their fate.

So I talked to a friend of mine who works at the clerk of courts in downtown. He admitted that in his opinion, blacks do get harsher sentences. But guess what? Those harsh sentences were handed down by black judges.

It makes sense too. If a white judge doesn't care for blacks, the worst thing he can do for blacks is release criminals back into their community. Black judges on the other hand live in those communities. If they don't, they likely have family and friends that do. So they do what they can in their power to clean up those communities.

 

[Coyote]

You can believe that if you want, but there is no evidence to support your case. Under DumBama, your party lost hundreds and hundreds of seats across the country. I don't call that liberal support in any way. Polls? We can all find polls to say what we want, but polls are only as reliable as the questions asked. Polls showed that Hilary was going to beat Trump without even trying. Exit polls showed the same. Polls are not science as we recently (and in the past) seen.

The Democrats lost seats in part due to a very good strategy on the part of the Republicans. Remember when the Republicans lost a shitload of seats in a wave election? Was that a rejection of conservative ideology? I don't think it was as much as other factors.

The Democrats have, to their loss, focused on White House runs, while the Republicans have focused state legislatures and governerships. Different strategies, and in doing this the Democrats have lost touch with the people they claim to represent.

I agree, polls are only as good as the questions asked - which is why I try to look at the methodology and reputation of the groups conducting polls. PEW has a good reputation, on both sides of the aisle. I like to use them. Their polls are not "predictive" - they're just laying out what people think about various things. Predicting elections is a whole 'nother ball game and the polls totally failed on that. I don't think that is a reason to discount all polls. This election was abnormal by any metric, from start to end. The polls have been fairly reliable previously but not always. There is a certain science to methodology - how to ask questions for example.

I had a similar discussion to ours with somebody who brought up prison sentences for blacks vs whites. Blacks get more time for doing the same type of crime than whites. That's all the study showed. But I've been to court. There are many other factors that go along with sentencing. The police talk to the judge before the case is heard to give them their take on the compliance of the suspect. Yes, judges hold disrespect of officers against the suspect. The judge is also aware of past criminal history--another thing the judge takes into consideration. Then there is the attitude of the suspect in court. If you act like a child in court and disrespect the judge by murmuring, shaking your head back and forth, rolling your eyes, guess what, that judge is not going go be favorable to your situation. He or she will get a harsher sentence than a person that shows remorse, respect to the court, and concern about their fate. [/quote[]

I agree that there are many different factors that go into sentencing, but there are enough trends to be disturbing. One big one is poverty, and a lot of black defendents fall into that category. A poor defendent, who relies on a public defender, is not going to get the same justice as a wealthier one. They are often told to just make a plea, even if they are innocent. Then that starts their record of criminal history. There are also sociological studies that show juries reacting differently to pictures of black defendents vs white defendents as well as to the race and background of the victim. But when you get to the death penalty level - these things are very disturbing. Why does a white defendent get off for the same crime a poor black defendent gets the death penalty for? We're killing someone. We're killing someone who may deserve or may be innocent. And, we're letting another equivalent killer live.

So I talked to a friend of mine who works at the clerk of courts in downtown. He admitted that in his opinion, blacks do get harsher sentences. But guess what? Those harsh sentences were handed down by black judges.

It makes sense too. If a white judge doesn't care for blacks, the worst thing he can do for blacks is release criminals back into their community. Black judges on the other hand live in those communities. If they don't, they likely have family and friends that do. So they do what they can in their power to clean up those communities.

Interesting...

 

[rightwinger]

Straight up retarded post.

So you think Russia has to be our perpetual enemy? That we have nothing in common? That we should never work with them? That the cold war should be restarted?

Have you been to Russia? Do you know any Russian people? I have and do. They are just like us, have the same wants and desires. Putin is a leader who wants what it best for his country. In a few weeks we will also have such a leader. There is no reason why they cannot find common ground. No one trusted or respected Obama, he made the world a much more dangerous place. Peace through strength works.

Disgusting that you hold Trump up as the equivalent of Putin

equivalent is your word not mine. Putin is a KGB thug. Trump is a successful American businessman. There is no equivalency there. The equivalency is in that they both want what is best for their country. If we automatically make Russia an enemy rather than trying to find common ground with them, everyone loses.

We do not have to agree with a leader in order to work with him. The idea that we have to force our beliefs and culture on the rest of the world is one of the reasons we are so screwed up right now, and the reason for many of our stupid wasteful wars.

Obama wanted what was best for the country....so has every other President

You are just too partisan to recognize it

So, creating racial unrest and tension was good for the country? Doubling the debt was good for the country? Denigrating cops and military was good for the country? Obozocare was good for the country? Cancelling the national day of prayer and holding a muslim prayer day was good for the country? Lying about Benghazi was good for the country?

YOU, are the one who is too partisan to see the truth.

Went right over your head

 

[beagle9]

So you think Russia has to be our perpetual enemy? That we have nothing in common? That we should never work with them? That the cold war should be restarted?

Have you been to Russia? Do you know any Russian people? I have and do. They are just like us, have the same wants and desires. Putin is a leader who wants what it best for his country. In a few weeks we will also have such a leader. There is no reason why they cannot find common ground. No one trusted or respected Obama, he made the world a much more dangerous place. Peace through strength works.

Disgusting that you hold Trump up as the equivalent of Putin

equivalent is your word not mine. Putin is a KGB thug. Trump is a successful American businessman. There is no equivalency there. The equivalency is in that they both want what is best for their country. If we automatically make Russia an enemy rather than trying to find common ground with them, everyone loses.

We do not have to agree with a leader in order to work with him. The idea that we have to force our beliefs and culture on the rest of the world is one of the reasons we are so screwed up right now, and the reason for many of our stupid wasteful wars.

Obama wanted what was best for the country....so has every other President

You are just too partisan to recognize it

So, creating racial unrest and tension was good for the country? Doubling the debt was good for the country? Denigrating cops and military was good for the country? Obozocare was good for the country? Cancelling the national day of prayer and holding a muslim prayer day was good for the country? Lying about Benghazi was good for the country?

YOU, are the one who is too partisan to see the truth.

Bush doubled the debt and the right didn't care. Reagan tripled the debt and the right didn't care.

Yeah, and they didn't cry like you libs are crying now. They (the electorate) just wait for the election cycles to correct things like it should always, but unfortunately Obama threw a monkey wrench into all that thinking. 8 years of bull crap that had taken this nation to the brink. Americans being killed on this soil since 9-11 by terrorist should have been the biggest eye opener to have people saying wait one dag minute here, just like Trump saying no more of these Muslim refugees will be coming in here from war zones unvetted until we find out what the hell is going on here. Then the libs tried to construe that as Trump being a racist ???? Good grief.

 

[Faun]

Disgusting that you hold Trump up as the equivalent of Putin

equivalent is your word not mine. Putin is a KGB thug. Trump is a successful American businessman. There is no equivalency there. The equivalency is in that they both want what is best for their country. If we automatically make Russia an enemy rather than trying to find common ground with them, everyone loses.

We do not have to agree with a leader in order to work with him. The idea that we have to force our beliefs and culture on the rest of the world is one of the reasons we are so screwed up right now, and the reason for many of our stupid wasteful wars.

Obama wanted what was best for the country....so has every other President

You are just too partisan to recognize it

So, creating racial unrest and tension was good for the country? Doubling the debt was good for the country? Denigrating cops and military was good for the country? Obozocare was good for the country? Cancelling the national day of prayer and holding a muslim prayer day was good for the country? Lying about Benghazi was good for the country?

YOU, are the one who is too partisan to see the truth.

Bush doubled the debt and the right didn't care. Reagan tripled the debt and the right didn't care.

Yeah, and they didn't cry like you libs are crying now. They (the electorate) just waited for the election cycles to correct things like it should always, but unfortunately Obama threw a monkey wrench into all that thinking. 8 years of bull crap that had taken this nation to the brink. Americans being killed on this soil since 9-11 by terrorist should have been the biggest eye opener to have people saying wait one dag minute here, just like Trump saying no more of these Muslim refugees will be coming in here from war zones unvetted until we find out what the hell is going on here. Then the libs tried to construe that as Trump being a racist ???? Good grief.

You're a nut. Way more people were killed in the U.S. by terrorists while Bush was president.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The Democrats lost seats in part due to a very good strategy on the part of the Republicans. Remember when the Republicans lost a shitload of seats in a wave election? Was that a rejection of conservative ideology? I don't think it was as much as other factors.

The Democrats have, to their loss, focused on White House runs, while the Republicans have focused state legislatures and governerships. Different strategies, and in doing this the Democrats have lost touch with the people they claim to represent.

Democrats lost seats because they supercharged liberalism, particularly with Commie Care.

Liberal polices are just not liked in a free country. People loved Obama, and that's the only reason for his success. I think the real nail in the coffin for Democrats was this cross-dresser bathroom thing, especially when Obama threatened public schools that didn't adopt his policies on it.

Free Americans don't want to be told what to do. We don't want the federal government telling us who is going to be in the bathrooms and showers with our daughters in school. We don't want to be told we have to buy healthcare or else. We don't need the federal government taking over car dealerships and student loans. We don't need the federal government telling bakers who they have to take as customers even if it's offensive to their religion. We don't want the federal government controlling our lives.

 

[beagle9]

Allowing the libs to destroy this country because of all their social experimentation's they have running here, should be sending chills down the back sides of every single American that calls themselves Americans. It's what has gone on here folks, where as you can easily see that the communist socialist lib crazies with all their crazy radical bull crap is what's at stake with them, and now the push back has come home to roost. This nation in order to figure it's way out of this delema, has got to finally put it's foot down, and it has got to do what is right for the children and grandchildren again. Enough is enough already. The devil's grip on the minds of people is unreal these days, and somehow that grip has to be broken.

 

[Coyote]

The Democrats lost seats in part due to a very good strategy on the part of the Republicans. Remember when the Republicans lost a shitload of seats in a wave election? Was that a rejection of conservative ideology? I don't think it was as much as other factors.

The Democrats have, to their loss, focused on White House runs, while the Republicans have focused state legislatures and governerships. Different strategies, and in doing this the Democrats have lost touch with the people they claim to represent.

Democrats lost seats because they supercharged liberalism, particularly with Commie Care.

I don't agree. If it was Commie Care, we would have a one payer system. We have a system based 100% on capitalism. In fact, many of the components were supported by the Republicans and rejected only because it was Obama's bill. Even now, less than 30% support repealing it over fixing it.

Liberal polices are just not liked in a free country. People loved Obama, and that's the only reason for his success. I think the real nail in the coffin for Democrats was this cross-dresser bathroom thing, especially when Obama threatened public schools that didn't adopt his policies on it.

Really? Like which liberal policies?

Laws forcing mine companies to control the dust levels in the mines in hopes of reducing black lung?
How about laws forcing companies to pay the medical expenses for black lung?
What about the following liberal policies?
Civil Rights Act (and don't start in on the Repubs/Dems - parties aren't the ideologies behind movements).
The 40-hour work week
Women’s Voting Rights
The right of people of all colors to use schools and facilities.
Child-labor laws.
Health care benefits
GI Bill
Labor Laws/Worker’s Rights
Product Labeling/Truth in Advertising Laws
Rural Electrification/Tennessee Valley Authority
Consumer Product Safety Commission
Americans With Disabilities Act
Clean Air Act
Clean Water Act
Civilian Conservation Corps
Banning of torture
Endangered Species Act
Voting Rights Act
Etc.

Ever wonder what it was like before the FDA and the food/drug safety and truth laws?
I grew up when pollution was finally being recognized as a major problem, along with the extinction of many once-common species in our nation, everything was being dumped into our air and water, the slogan I remember from school was "don't be a litter bug" and Tom Lehrer's song "Pollution" was very relevant. It was LIBERAL policies that addressed all that and many of those policies remain publically popular (as per the polls I quoted).

Free Americans don't want to be told what to do. We don't want the federal government telling us who is going to be in the bathrooms and showers with our daughters in school. We don't want to be told we have to buy healthcare or else. We don't need the federal government taking over car dealerships and student loans. We don't need the federal government telling bakers who they have to take as customers even if it's offensive to their religion. We don't want the federal government controlling our lives.

Yes you DO want federal government controling your lives. You want the government to tell who can get married and who can't. You want the government to restrict the rights of certain religions. You want the government to "bring back jobs" by bullying private companies. You want the government to insist that only biological girls can use the girls room and biological boys can use the boys room. You want the government to interfere in a woman's reproductive rights. Don't tell me you don't want the government telling us what to do.

 

[beagle9]

equivalent is your word not mine. Putin is a KGB thug. Trump is a successful American businessman. There is no equivalency there. The equivalency is in that they both want what is best for their country. If we automatically make Russia an enemy rather than trying to find common ground with them, everyone loses.

We do not have to agree with a leader in order to work with him. The idea that we have to force our beliefs and culture on the rest of the world is one of the reasons we are so screwed up right now, and the reason for many of our stupid wasteful wars.

Obama wanted what was best for the country....so has every other President

You are just too partisan to recognize it

So, creating racial unrest and tension was good for the country? Doubling the debt was good for the country? Denigrating cops and military was good for the country? Obozocare was good for the country? Cancelling the national day of prayer and holding a muslim prayer day was good for the country? Lying about Benghazi was good for the country?

YOU, are the one who is too partisan to see the truth.

Bush doubled the debt and the right didn't care. Reagan tripled the debt and the right didn't care.

Yeah, and they didn't cry like you libs are crying now. They (the electorate) just waited for the election cycles to correct things like it should always, but unfortunately Obama threw a monkey wrench into all that thinking. 8 years of bull crap that had taken this nation to the brink. Americans being killed on this soil since 9-11 by terrorist should have been the biggest eye opener to have people saying wait one dag minute here, just like Trump saying no more of these Muslim refugees will be coming in here from war zones unvetted until we find out what the hell is going on here. Then the libs tried to construe that as Trump being a racist ???? Good grief.

You're a nut. Way more people were killed in the U.S. by terrorists while Bush was president.

. Boooooosh did it, booooooosh did it. Good grief... What will the libs do without boooosh ?