Dershowitz: ‘You Cannot Charge a President With Obstruction for Exercising His Constitutional Power’

[RetiredGySgt]

The president can be charged with obstruction of Justice.

Not for firing an appointee.

The president can be charged with obstruction of Justice for firing an appointee if he did so to obstruct justice.

Shit. You people really don't have any respect for the legal foundations that make this nation great.

Thankfully, you are not the fucking majority.

No he can not. The absolute power to dismiss is the Presidents and it IS absolute. And there is no actual precedent for charging him now.

 

[LoneLaugher]

The president can be charged with obstruction of Justice.

Not for firing an appointee.

The president can be charged with obstruction of Justice for firing an appointee if he did so to obstruct justice.

Shit. You people really don't have any respect for the legal foundations that make this nation great.

Thankfully, you are not the fucking majority.

No he can not. The absolute power to dismiss is the Presidents and it IS absolute. And there is no actual precedent for charging him now.

Stop being retarded. Please.

 

[beagle9]

The president can be charged with obstruction of Justice.

Not for firing an appointee.

The president can be charged with obstruction of Justice for firing an appointee if he did so to obstruct justice.

Shit. You people really don't have any respect for the legal foundations that make this nation great.

Thankfully, you are not the fucking majority.

. Why don't you understand that if there was no cullusion, then there can't be any charges for anything surrounding the matter because it was a false charge or accusation to begin with. Trump was being set up by some super corrupt individuals, and they thought it would work just like Hillary's team figured that it could knock Bernie Sanders out using the same tactics as we have since learned. It didn't work for them on Trump, and it won't work. Muellers fantasy to come running to the dishonoring of his friend Comey is about to go bust.

 

[Flopper]

This is for all the forum idiots who think Mueller can charge Trump with obstruction of justice:

Dershowitz: 'You Cannot Charge a President With Obstruction of Justice for Exercising His Constitutional Power' - Breitbart​

Monday on Fox News Channel’s “Fox & Friends,” Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz batted down the merit of obstruction of justice charges aimed at President Donald Trump for what he said was exercising his constitutional power and authority regarding the firing of then-FBI Director James Comey and instructing the Department of Justice what to and not to investigate.

“If Congress were to ever charge him with obstruction of justice for exercising his constitutional authority under Article 2, we’d have a constitutional crisis,” he explained. “You cannot charge a president with obstruction of justice for exercising his constitutional power to fire Comey and his constitutional authority to tell the Justice Department who to investigate, who not to investigate. That’s what Thomas Jefferson did. That’s what Lincoln did. That’s what Roosevelt did. We have precedents that clearly establish that.”

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Where in world did you get the idea that Mueller would charge Trump in a court of law? Trying a sitting president would be a difficult task at best and would end up in Supreme Court on a number issues.

The report of the investigation would be turned over to Congress. If the House passed a bill of impeachment, the Senate would conduct the trial. The Senate trial is not bound by laws and regulations of the courts. If 2/3 of the Senate passed the bill, Trump would be out.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The president can be charged with obstruction of Justice.

Not for firing an appointee.

The president can be charged with obstruction of Justice for firing an appointee if he did so to obstruct justice.

Shit. You people really don't have any respect for the legal foundations that make this nation great.

Thankfully, you are not the fucking majority.

. Why don't you understand that if there was no cullusion, then there can't be any charges for anything surrounding the matter because it was a false charge or accusation to begin with. Trump was being set up by some super corrupt individuals, and they thought it would work just like Hillary's team figured that it could knock Bernie Sanders out using the same tactics as we have since learned. It didn't work for them on Trump, and it won't work. Muellers fantasy to come running to the dishonoring of his friend Comey is about to go bust.

I'm not sure where you get your legal advice, but fire him immediately. You absolutely can be charged with obstructing an investigation , regardless of the guilt of the parties being investigated. And when it is found they committed a crime AND you knew it, that makes it even worse for you.

 

[bripat9643]

In fact a counter investigation should start immediately to determine who orchastrated this lie of cullusion, and a hot pursuit of these people should take place for what this ruse has since cost the tax payers.

Oh give me a break. If you want to blame someone for the rumors of collusion, look no further than Donald J Trump. His bizarre behavior and that of his associates brought this all up on him.

That's pure horseshit.

How come more bad words for people in his own party than for putin?? and no sanctions though rec'ed by his own party and signed by the AH himself?

You believe that's evidence of collusion? Seriously?

 

[bripat9643]

This is for all the forum idiots who think Mueller can charge Trump with obstruction of justice:

Dershowitz: 'You Cannot Charge a President With Obstruction of Justice for Exercising His Constitutional Power' - Breitbart​

Monday on Fox News Channel’s “Fox & Friends,” Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz batted down the merit of obstruction of justice charges aimed at President Donald Trump for what he said was exercising his constitutional power and authority regarding the firing of then-FBI Director James Comey and instructing the Department of Justice what to and not to investigate.

“If Congress were to ever charge him with obstruction of justice for exercising his constitutional authority under Article 2, we’d have a constitutional crisis,” he explained. “You cannot charge a president with obstruction of justice for exercising his constitutional power to fire Comey and his constitutional authority to tell the Justice Department who to investigate, who not to investigate. That’s what Thomas Jefferson did. That’s what Lincoln did. That’s what Roosevelt did. We have precedents that clearly establish that.”

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Where in world did you get the idea that Mueller would charge Trump? Trying a sitting president would be a difficult task at best and would end up in Supreme Court on a number issues.

The report of the investigation would be turned over to Congress. If the House passed a bill of impeachment, the Senate would conduct the trial. The Senate trial is not bound by laws and regulations of the courts. If 2/3 of the Senate passed the bill, Trump would be out.

A president can be impeached for any reason at any time. Impeachment is a political process, not a legal process. Using that to claim Trump can be charged with obstruction of justice is disengenuous, to say the least.

 

[bripat9643]

In fact a counter investigation should start immediately to determine who orchastrated this lie of cullusion, and a hot pursuit of these people should take place for what this ruse has since cost the tax payers.

Oh give me a break. If you want to blame someone for the rumors of collusion, look no further than Donald J Trump. His bizarre behavior and that of his associates brought this all up on him.

That's pure horseshit.

Nope, it's absolutely true. And Trump firing Comey pointed the investigation right at Trump.

It's absolutely false.

 

[regent]

Rather than having to make all the board members read law books, just impeach Trump.
If any president qualifies for impeachment and removal it is Trump. Why do we tolerate such a president, when we don't have to? If America lasts until the next election we have to elect those Congressmen that will vote impeach and removal.

 

[eddiew37]

Rather than having to make all the board members read law books, just impeach Trump.
If any president qualifies for impeachment and removal it is Trump. Why do we tolerate such a president, when we don't have to? If America lasts until the next election we have to elect those Congressmen that will vote impeach and removal.

Trump is an embarrassment for America A slime bag real estate crook , now a slime bag president Do you republicans hate America that much that you foist this POS on us?

 

[bripat9643]

Rather than having to make all the board members read law books, just impeach Trump.
If any president qualifies for impeachment and removal it is Trump. Why do we tolerate such a president, when we don't have to? If America lasts until the next election we have to elect those Congressmen that will vote impeach and removal.

Trump is an embarrassment for America A slime bag real estate crook , now a slime bag president Do you republicans hate America that much that you foist this POS on us?

Liberal tears taste so sweet.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

In fact a counter investigation should start immediately to determine who orchastrated this lie of cullusion, and a hot pursuit of these people should take place for what this ruse has since cost the tax payers.

Oh give me a break. If you want to blame someone for the rumors of collusion, look no further than Donald J Trump. His bizarre behavior and that of his associates brought this all up on him.

That's pure horseshit.

Nope, it's absolutely true. And Trump firing Comey pointed the investigation right at Trump.

It's absolutely false.

Ooooookay...

 

[radical right]

The theory of exercise of presidential. powers can't be a crime is absolutely false. Imagine if FDR using his power as commander in chief pulled off an invasion of europe called D-day, scheduled for june 6 1944. And if FDR using his presidential power to declassify information, told everybody about the invasion, including where, when and how.

And as a result hundreds of thousands of american troops got slaughtered. No crime by the president. right? Just using his presidential powers, therefore no charges can be brought against him?

 

[Flopper]

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This forum is blessed with hundreds of online constitutional experts.

This is where I come to learn about the constitution, I thought everyone did.

Surely, you jest.

 

[Flopper]

The theory of exercise of presidential. powers can't be a crime is absolutely false. Imagine if FDR using his power as commander in chief pulled off an invasion of europe called D-day, scheduled for june 6 1944. And if FDR using his presidential power to declassify information, told everybody about the invasion, including where, when and how.

And as a result hundreds of thousands of american troops got slaughtered. No crime by the president. right? Just using his presidential powers, therefore no charges can be brought against him?

Since Congress declared war, the president as head of the armed forces has the power to do whatever is necessary in waging the war in his job as commander and chief.

 

[eddiew37]

The theory of exercise of presidential. powers can't be a crime is absolutely false. Imagine if FDR using his power as commander in chief pulled off an invasion of europe called D-day, scheduled for june 6 1944. And if FDR using his presidential power to declassify information, told everybody about the invasion, including where, when and how.

And as a result hundreds of thousands of american troops got slaughtered. No crime by the president. right? Just using his presidential powers, therefore no charges can be brought against him?

Since Congress declared war, the president as head of the armed forces has the power to do whatever is necessary in waging the war in his job as commander and chief.

JESUS CHRIST you ah republicans gave this gd moron trump the power to use our nukes??

 

[Flopper]

Clinton was impeached for obstructing justice, so now why all of a sudden can't Trump be charged with it?

Clinton was charge with trying to coach witnesses not with exercising his given power to fire an appointee to his government.

Trump fired Comey because Comey would not slack off his investigation. That's obstruction of justice.

No it isn't Trump can fire an appointee for ANY reason. ANY reason means just that and no Nixon was not charged with obstruction for firing anyone so don't try that lie.

But Nixon was. And Trump cannot impede an investigation.

Look fool, you can do all the bellowing you want, but this investigation s is continuing and apparently Mueller has evidence that shows him he can continue. You don't have that information therefore you really have nothing to say.

Actiually, he can impede an investigation conducted by his own justice department. That's one of his functions as the country's chief law enforcement officer

Remember the last president who tried to impeded an investigation of his administration and it cost him his presidency. The president certainly has the power to shutdown any investigation but he will have to deal with the political fallout.

 

[radical right]

Remember the last president who tried to impeded an investigation of his administration and it cost him his presidency. The president certainly has the power to shutdown any investigation but he will have to deal with the political fallout.

Nixon was also a co-conspirator in a grand jury indictment.

 

[Flopper]

In fact a counter investigation should start immediately to determine who orchastrated this lie of cullusion, and a hot pursuit of these people should take place for what this ruse has since cost the tax payers.

Oh give me a break. If you want to blame someone for the rumors of collusion, look no further than Donald J Trump. His bizarre behavior and that of his associates brought this all up on him.

Trump's behavior may seem bizarre if don't understand what drives him. Have you ever said if I were president, I would....? Well Trump is president and that is exactly what he is doing. His lack of policies both domestic and foreign is no accident. Policy gets in his way. If he doesn't like someone, he fires them. If he thinks Jerusalem should be the capital of Israel he recognizes it as such. If he feels like pissing out North Korea, he does it. If he feels like saying something that is opposite of what he said last week, he says it. It's that simple. He does what he feels like doing when the urge hits him. If you understand this, you understand Trump and hopefully you understand the problems that poses for the nation. However, Trump's president is not able the nation, it's about Trump.

 

[Flopper]

The president can be charged with obstruction of Justice.

Not for firing an appointee.

The president can be charged with obstruction of Justice for firing an appointee if he did so to obstruct justice.

Shit. You people really don't have any respect for the legal foundations that make this nation great.

Thankfully, you are not the fucking majority.

No he can not. The absolute power to dismiss is the Presidents and it IS absolute. And there is no actual precedent for charging him now.

Well, it's not quite that simple. Mueller can ask the grand jury for an indictment of the president. The president can then fire Mueller, but the indictment stands. Someone will then take over the investigation and pursue that incitement. Trump can fire them and hire someone to shut down the investigation and dismiss the grand jury. However, keep in mind there are political consequence when a leader fires someone to keep them from investigating his activities. To even the most committed Trump follower, that is obstruction of justice at the highest level. Not even a republican controlled congress can ignore that.