Despicable....

[NYcarbineer]

still no solutions 14 pages in and not one of you libturds has a solution. wow. see that's the problem. there isn't one.

Your denial is running neck and neck with your dishonesty as your most prominent characteristics.

still no solution. thanks for playing.

And BTW, denial of what exactly? yours?

You have no solutions. We have ideas to make things better. You want to make things worse.

 

[JoeB131]

[
how, what is your solution?

Utilitarianism: The word utilitarian was coined by the philosopher and judge Jeremy Bentham, who argued that his principle of utility would create the "greatest happiness for the greatest number of people." Pragmatic, realistic. Most Americans want stricter gun control. People would be safer and happier with less guns in circulation in the country.[/QUOTE]

True. The problem is, the non-gun owners and even the gun owners with a lick of sense who realize they don't want nuts to have guns aren't willing to fight as hard to keep guns in the hands of nuts.

So some nut shoots up a concert or a theater or a church, and we all have our moments of silence, and then do.. nothing.

 

[Esmeralda]

That's nonsense, absolute nonsense. I want to save lives. I want life in America to be safer, for everyone. The proliferation of guns in the US makes it a more dangerous society. I want to stop the mass shootings. I want people with obsessions about guns to stop putting the rest of the country at their mercy. My desire for gun control has nothing to do with government or control. It has to do with having a safer, saner society.

Safer saner by YOUR RULES OR ELSE? Right?

Again, surrender your own freedom for some token safety and suck the government dick on your own time.

No one has absolute free will. Even a hermit is restricted by environment. If you are going to be a positive member of society, you have to be restricted in various ways.

how, what is your solution?

Utilitarianism: The word utilitarian was coined by the philosopher and judge Jeremy Bentham, who argued that his principle of utility would create the "greatest happiness for the greatest number of people." Pragmatic, realistic. Most Americans want stricter gun control. People would be safer and happier with less guns in circulation in the country.

Great you pulled that up, not applicable in this context. The majority may want all persons to be required to carry next month, an ever changing most want set?

Polls show that the majority of Americans want stricter gun control.

 

[NYcarbineer]

In NYC you have to "show cause" to get a CCW.

OK, and that's begging how?

In NYC you have to pay over $400 and wait 3-6 months just to keep a revolver legally in your own home.

OK, and that's a punishment, how?

Air Force is government, government failure.

Government is only as effective as the people you elect to it. If you want more effective government, stop electing people who think the institution of government is the problem. As PJ O'Rourke says, "[Conservatives] like to say government is the problem, then they get elected and prove it."

How about if you had to show cause to vote?

Again, how about a $100 fee and a 2 week waiting period for an abortion?

The problem is the government at all levels has become too bloated to be responsible to the people.

How about letting the good people of the great state of NY decide for themselves what gun laws they want, provided they pass muster with the SCOTUS,

eh? Mr. states rights guy???

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Your agenda is control wrapped up in touchy feely "Think of the Children" type sap. You want government to have all the power, and the people dependent on it.

Samuel Adams said it best:

That's nonsense, absolute nonsense. I want to save lives. I want life in America to be safer, for everyone. The proliferation of guns in the US makes it a more dangerous society. I want to stop the mass shootings. I want people with obsessions about guns to stop putting the rest of the country at their mercy. My desire for gun control has nothing to do with government or control. It has to do with having a safer, saner society.

Safer saner by YOUR RULES OR ELSE? Right?

Again, surrender your own freedom for some token safety and suck the government dick on your own time.

No one has absolute free will. Even a hermit is restricted by environment. If you are going to be a positive member of society, you have to be restricted in various ways.

how, what is your solution?

Utilitarianism: The word utilitarian was coined by the philosopher and judge Jeremy Bentham, who argued that his principle of utility would create the "greatest happiness for the greatest number of people." Pragmatic, realistic. Most Americans want stricter gun control. People would be safer and happier with less guns in circulation in the country.

Yeah because every country that give up their guns to the government has been happily starved and enslaved in those safe spaces.

 

[martybegan]

Like you nimrods actually care about this beyond seeing it as a method to get your agenda pushed.

Our "agenda" is about saving lives, saving the lives of people such as the ones in this massacre, which is the ONLY reason to want stricter gun control. To you people, caring about these people is all pretense; to you they are just collateral.

Your agenda is control wrapped up in touchy feely "Think of the Children" type sap. You want government to have all the power, and the people dependent on it.

Samuel Adams said it best:

If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you.May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."

That's nonsense, absolute nonsense. I want to save lives. I want life in America to be safer, for everyone. The proliferation of guns in the US makes it a more dangerous society. I want to stop the mass shootings. I want people with obsessions about guns to stop putting the rest of the country at their mercy. My desire for gun control has nothing to do with government or control. It has to do with having a safer, saner society.

Safer saner by YOUR RULES OR ELSE? Right?

Again, surrender your own freedom for some token safety and suck the government dick on your own time.

No one has absolute free will. Even a hermit is restricted by environment. If you are going to be a positive member of society, you have to be restricted in various ways.

The shallow slope to fascism. "For your own good" are some of the worst words in the English Language. any "restrictions" should only be due to a compelling government interest, and target only those who have been adjudicated via due process.

I suggest you take the advice below:

 

[Geaux4it]

Safer saner by YOUR RULES OR ELSE? Right?

Again, surrender your own freedom for some token safety and suck the government dick on your own time.

No one has absolute free will. Even a hermit is restricted by environment. If you are going to be a positive member of society, you have to be restricted in various ways.

how, what is your solution?

Utilitarianism: The word utilitarian was coined by the philosopher and judge Jeremy Bentham, who argued that his principle of utility would create the "greatest happiness for the greatest number of people." Pragmatic, realistic. Most Americans want stricter gun control. People would be safer and happier with less guns in circulation in the country.

Great you pulled that up, not applicable in this context. The majority may want all persons to be required to carry next month, an ever changing most want set?

Polls show that the majority of Americans want stricter gun control.

Like what?

-Geaux

 

[JoeB131]

How about if you had to show cause to vote?

Again, how about a $100 fee and a 2 week waiting period for an abortion?

The problem is the government at all levels has become too bloated to be responsible to the people.

If votes or abortions killed REAL people, you might have a point.

Guns kill people. That's why we need to control who can get them. And if the system is so flawed this guy could get a gun, then we have a problem.

 

[NYcarbineer]

No one has absolute free will. Even a hermit is restricted by environment. If you are going to be a positive member of society, you have to be restricted in various ways.

how, what is your solution?

Utilitarianism: The word utilitarian was coined by the philosopher and judge Jeremy Bentham, who argued that his principle of utility would create the "greatest happiness for the greatest number of people." Pragmatic, realistic. Most Americans want stricter gun control. People would be safer and happier with less guns in circulation in the country.

and that is pure delusional thinking. sorry!

so what day is the next crazy going down? come on man you think you know how to stop it. where will it be?

Do laws against rape deter rape?

it does to many people but not all. if you think it does then there would be no need for police or courtrooms.

So you're admitting your previous statement was pure horseshit..

 

[martybegan]

In NYC you have to "show cause" to get a CCW.

OK, and that's begging how?

In NYC you have to pay over $400 and wait 3-6 months just to keep a revolver legally in your own home.

OK, and that's a punishment, how?

Air Force is government, government failure.

Government is only as effective as the people you elect to it. If you want more effective government, stop electing people who think the institution of government is the problem. As PJ O'Rourke says, "[Conservatives] like to say government is the problem, then they get elected and prove it."

How about if you had to show cause to vote?

Again, how about a $100 fee and a 2 week waiting period for an abortion?

The problem is the government at all levels has become too bloated to be responsible to the people.

How about letting the good people of the great state of NY decide for themselves what gun laws they want, provided they pass muster with the SCOTUS,

eh? Mr. states rights guy???

How about you allow Alabama to decide it's own abortion laws and marriage laws?

Oh wait, you are a hypocrite and will spout on and on about parts of the constitution that don't exist.

Meanwhile I have a RIGHT to keep and bear arms, and that right SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

States rights stop at the rights of the people as enshrined in the Amendments.

 

[NYcarbineer]

In NYC you have to "show cause" to get a CCW.

OK, and that's begging how?

In NYC you have to pay over $400 and wait 3-6 months just to keep a revolver legally in your own home.

OK, and that's a punishment, how?

Air Force is government, government failure.

Government is only as effective as the people you elect to it. If you want more effective government, stop electing people who think the institution of government is the problem. As PJ O'Rourke says, "[Conservatives] like to say government is the problem, then they get elected and prove it."

How about if you had to show cause to vote?

Again, how about a $100 fee and a 2 week waiting period for an abortion?

The problem is the government at all levels has become too bloated to be responsible to the people.

How about we give felons a free gun as they leave prison, as a reward for doing their time?

 

[martybegan]

How about if you had to show cause to vote?

Again, how about a $100 fee and a 2 week waiting period for an abortion?

The problem is the government at all levels has become too bloated to be responsible to the people.

If votes or abortions killed REAL people, you might have a point.

Guns kill people. That's why we need to control who can get them. And if the system is so flawed this guy could get a gun, then we have a problem.

A right is a right. and people like you voting is worse than death.

The system wasn't run right, so fix it before you propose new laws.

 

[NYcarbineer]

In NYC you have to "show cause" to get a CCW.

OK, and that's begging how?

In NYC you have to pay over $400 and wait 3-6 months just to keep a revolver legally in your own home.

OK, and that's a punishment, how?

Air Force is government, government failure.

Government is only as effective as the people you elect to it. If you want more effective government, stop electing people who think the institution of government is the problem. As PJ O'Rourke says, "[Conservatives] like to say government is the problem, then they get elected and prove it."

How about if you had to show cause to vote?

Again, how about a $100 fee and a 2 week waiting period for an abortion?

The problem is the government at all levels has become too bloated to be responsible to the people.

How about letting the good people of the great state of NY decide for themselves what gun laws they want, provided they pass muster with the SCOTUS,

eh? Mr. states rights guy???

How about you allow Alabama to decide it's own abortion laws and marriage laws?

Oh wait, you are a hypocrite and will spout on and on about parts of the constitution that don't exist.

Meanwhile I have a RIGHT to keep and bear arms, and that right SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

States rights stop at the rights of the people as enshrined in the Amendments.

LOL, you think I added 'pass muster with the SCOTUS' for no reason?

Goddam you're stupid.

 

[Esmeralda]

That's nonsense, absolute nonsense. I want to save lives. I want life in America to be safer, for everyone. The proliferation of guns in the US makes it a more dangerous society. I want to stop the mass shootings. I want people with obsessions about guns to stop putting the rest of the country at their mercy. My desire for gun control has nothing to do with government or control. It has to do with having a safer, saner society.

Safer saner by YOUR RULES OR ELSE? Right?

Again, surrender your own freedom for some token safety and suck the government dick on your own time.

No one has absolute free will. Even a hermit is restricted by environment. If you are going to be a positive member of society, you have to be restricted in various ways.

how, what is your solution?

Utilitarianism: The word utilitarian was coined by the philosopher and judge Jeremy Bentham, who argued that his principle of utility would create the "greatest happiness for the greatest number of people." Pragmatic, realistic. Most Americans want stricter gun control. People would be safer and happier with less guns in circulation in the country.

Yeah because every country that give up their guns to the government has been happily starved and enslaved in those safe spaces.

That is totally untrue.Totally. Where do you get these ideas?

 

[martybegan]

In NYC you have to "show cause" to get a CCW.

OK, and that's begging how?

In NYC you have to pay over $400 and wait 3-6 months just to keep a revolver legally in your own home.

OK, and that's a punishment, how?

Air Force is government, government failure.

Government is only as effective as the people you elect to it. If you want more effective government, stop electing people who think the institution of government is the problem. As PJ O'Rourke says, "[Conservatives] like to say government is the problem, then they get elected and prove it."

How about if you had to show cause to vote?

Again, how about a $100 fee and a 2 week waiting period for an abortion?

The problem is the government at all levels has become too bloated to be responsible to the people.

How about we give felons a free gun as they leave prison, as a reward for doing their time?

Argumentum ad absurdum, nice try loser.

 

[martybegan]

In NYC you have to "show cause" to get a CCW.

OK, and that's begging how?

In NYC you have to pay over $400 and wait 3-6 months just to keep a revolver legally in your own home.

OK, and that's a punishment, how?

Air Force is government, government failure.

Government is only as effective as the people you elect to it. If you want more effective government, stop electing people who think the institution of government is the problem. As PJ O'Rourke says, "[Conservatives] like to say government is the problem, then they get elected and prove it."

How about if you had to show cause to vote?

Again, how about a $100 fee and a 2 week waiting period for an abortion?

The problem is the government at all levels has become too bloated to be responsible to the people.

How about letting the good people of the great state of NY decide for themselves what gun laws they want, provided they pass muster with the SCOTUS,

eh? Mr. states rights guy???

How about you allow Alabama to decide it's own abortion laws and marriage laws?

Oh wait, you are a hypocrite and will spout on and on about parts of the constitution that don't exist.

Meanwhile I have a RIGHT to keep and bear arms, and that right SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

States rights stop at the rights of the people as enshrined in the Amendments.

LOL, you think I added 'pass muster with the SCOTUS' for no reason?

Goddam you're stupid.

because the courts have been terrible for 4 decades now and getting worse.

 

[NYcarbineer]

In NYC you have to "show cause" to get a CCW.

OK, and that's begging how?

In NYC you have to pay over $400 and wait 3-6 months just to keep a revolver legally in your own home.

OK, and that's a punishment, how?

Air Force is government, government failure.

Government is only as effective as the people you elect to it. If you want more effective government, stop electing people who think the institution of government is the problem. As PJ O'Rourke says, "[Conservatives] like to say government is the problem, then they get elected and prove it."

How about if you had to show cause to vote?

Again, how about a $100 fee and a 2 week waiting period for an abortion?

The problem is the government at all levels has become too bloated to be responsible to the people.

How about letting the good people of the great state of NY decide for themselves what gun laws they want, provided they pass muster with the SCOTUS,

eh? Mr. states rights guy???

How about you allow Alabama to decide it's own abortion laws and marriage laws?

Oh wait, you are a hypocrite and will spout on and on about parts of the constitution that don't exist.

Meanwhile I have a RIGHT to keep and bear arms, and that right SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

States rights stop at the rights of the people as enshrined in the Amendments.

You are glad then that the killer in Texas was able to legally obtain guns. Jesus Christ that is some sad shit there.

 

[Peach]

How about if you had to show cause to vote?

Again, how about a $100 fee and a 2 week waiting period for an abortion?

The problem is the government at all levels has become too bloated to be responsible to the people.

If votes or abortions killed REAL people, you might have a point.

Guns kill people. That's why we need to control who can get them. And if the system is so flawed this guy could get a gun, then we have a problem.

The REAL PEOPLE disregards both faith and advanced science. Respect the libederty of others first.

 

[NYcarbineer]

In NYC you have to "show cause" to get a CCW.

OK, and that's begging how?

In NYC you have to pay over $400 and wait 3-6 months just to keep a revolver legally in your own home.

OK, and that's a punishment, how?

Air Force is government, government failure.

Government is only as effective as the people you elect to it. If you want more effective government, stop electing people who think the institution of government is the problem. As PJ O'Rourke says, "[Conservatives] like to say government is the problem, then they get elected and prove it."

How about if you had to show cause to vote?

Again, how about a $100 fee and a 2 week waiting period for an abortion?

The problem is the government at all levels has become too bloated to be responsible to the people.

How about we give felons a free gun as they leave prison, as a reward for doing their time?

Argumentum ad absurdum, nice try loser.

LOL so we finally found ONE example of access to guns by criminals that you don't support.

Eureka.

 

[Doc1]

What's despicable are the GOP NRA puppets pretending they give a shit.

Go change your sheets.