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I keep him in timeout on and off. Sometimes when someone responds to one of his more disgusting comments, curiosity gets the best of me. It’s like looking at a car crash. You know the view will be stomach-turning, but you can’t help yourself.I keep that evil thing in the timeout corner.
That's a very apt description.I keep him in timeout on and off. Sometimes when someone responds to one of his more disgusting comments, curiosity gets the best of me. It’s like looking at a car crash. You know the view will be stomach-turning, but you can’t help yourself.
Besides, he’s a great poster child for the hypocritical bigots on the left.
Odd how Joe, who says the most bigoted, disdainful things about Jews, calls ME a racist cow.
He’s one of the worst hypocrites on this forum.
Just saying.
Agree. But to leftists like Joe, any criticism of Harris is due to racism. The fact that she is incompetent and unqualified is not to be mentioned.
That, btw, is what we can expect if she (G-d forbid) becomes president. She can be the biggest idiot, and answer every question with cackle and word salad, and if anyone points out the obvious - that she is completely unqualified - he or she will be called a racist.
The only thing test scores show these days is the ability to take a test and those who are affluent enough to afford all the extra tutoring and courses will be over represented and those who can’t will be less likely to get a college education. It negates automatically admitting the top 5 or 10% of every high school.Nope. You have to include test scores too. It provides a more complete picture.
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No, that’s not what that means. It means that the minimum GPA and test scores are reduced for black students.
I can’t do that because because they don’t report data by religion. Jews are lumped in with whites, who must score higher than blacks. A Jew with a 3.4 is NOT getting into any medical school in this country, where many blacks will.
Yes, they came of age before these programs, and thus they weren’t rejected from college in favor of blacks with poorer grades.
You just did the libersl thing again and called me a racist, so I’m not going to respond to your nasty accusations. Stop it.
ok, I think I found at least one of your posts with an article from EOC. EOC seems to be a rightwing site with the usual rightwing fodder. It is a bit disconcerting to see it claiming to want a color blind society yet linking to an article that seems to suggest black students should be shunted off to vocational schools because they are more likely to have “inflated“ highschool diplomas.I showed them to you upthread - charts from the AAMC showing how much easier it is for blacks to get in to med school than whites, even when blacks have much worse scores. Blacks with a specific GPA and MCAT get in the majority of the time when those same measurements have the majority of whites kicked to the curb.
It‘s time for liberals to stop employing racist policies when selecting students for admission, and intentionally divising false tests designed specifically for blacks to score higher.
It would be racist if it were designed to exclude Asians. I don’t think it is, but…I do think it is an unfair assessment tool. To claim it is designed to “exclude” an unwanted race is patently false. Schools have a right to use a variety of metrics beyond strict academics to select their student body, they have a right to strive to have a diverse student body whether it is racial, ethnic, economic, religion, or gender. What rightists are trying to do is restrict or eliminate that but only in some schools. Harvard is a private school.What about Harvard and their “personality test,” which they used to reject highly qualified Asians? They said Asians scored higher on “unlikeability.” It‘s pretty dammed racist when leftist educators design a completely subjective test designed so that the unwanted race - Asians in this case - are judged to score lower, and thus they can reject them?
I have had good doctors of all types(My doctor is Asian, and she is the BEST doctor I’ve had since I graduated from the pediatrician’s office.)
Coyote
Whenever you prioritize the selection of managers, or base promotions, on factors other than competence and ability, you likely don’t end up with the best.
And it doesn’t just have to be about race. I worked for a company that was very big on gays, and to a lesser extent blacks. If you were gay, your odds for getting hired, or getting promoted, were significantly higher than if you were straight. (Word got around, and the place was about 30% gay.) And if you were gay AND black, you were golden - promoted right up the ladder to the top, regardless of ability.
The result? The most bloated, mismanaged place I ever worked. The white and/or straight subordinates to the incompetent black and/or gay managers ended up doing their jobs, and making the decisions they were unable to.
The turnover among the white and straight subordinates was massive - and there was nobody who remained after a few years. In the meantime, there were managers there who had been there for 15 years and more, and why? Because they knew they couldn’t get an equivalent job elsewhere.
Most mismanaged company I ever worked for.
The only thing test scores show these days is the ability to take a test and those who are affluent enough to afford all the extra tutoring and courses will be over represented and those who can’t will be less likely to get a college education. It negates automatically admitting the top 5 or 10% of every high school.
OMG…..are you kidding me?! All you’re saying is that the elite high school was able to slide in more blacks and reject more Asians when they eliminated the difficult admissions test - which was by DESIGN! They leftist educators were upset that there were too many smart Asians acing the test, so they figured they’d get rid of it as a way to justify getting rid of more of them so they could get in more blacks!Interesting article here on how diversity INCREASED in this school when they took the top percent of all the area middle schools instead of using standard test scores Which had resulted in only two schools comprising almost the entire student body. I could support that.
Elite school accepts more blacks and Hispanics, fewer Asians
A premier public high school in northern Virginia has dramatically increased the number of Black and Hispanic students offered admission under a new application system that some Asian American parents say is discriminatory
The article didn’t suggest that blacks should be shunted off to vocational,schools. Theee you go with your accusations of racism again. All the article is doing is pointing out the truth - that blacks with a specific GPA and test scores are very likely to get into med school while whites and Asians with the identical scores are likely to get rejected. But shhhhh….can’t say that.Look, I think it is a fair question to ask when colleges also take gender into account as well as legacy admissions, and first generation college students, Hispanics and native Americans, but only blacks receive this extra scrutiny.
ok, I think I found at least one of your posts with an article from EOC. EOC seems to be a rightwing site with the usual rightwing fodder. It is a bit disconcerting to see it claiming to want a color blind society yet linking to an article that seems to suggest black students should be shunted off to vocational schools because they are more likely to have “inflated“ highschool diplomas.
What false tests?
It would be racist if it were designed to exclude Asians. I don’t think it is, but…I do think it is an unfair assessment tool. To claim it is designed to “exclude” an unwanted race is patently false. Schools have a right to use a variety of metrics beyond strict academics to select their student body, they have a right to strive to have a diverse student body whether it is racial, ethnic, economic, religion, or gender. What rightists are trying to do is restrict or eliminate that but only in some schools. Harvard is a private school.
I have had good doctors of all types
That’s why it’s done high school by high school. The poor black kids (you only care about blacks, obviously) in DC’s 8th District, for example, are almost all impoverished kids living with welfare mothers - and nobody has any money for test prep. They compete with their own cohort.
OMG…..are you kidding me?! All you’re saying is that the elite high school was able to slide in more blacks and reject more Asians when they eliminated the difficult admissions test - which was by DESIGN! They leftist educators were upset that there were too many smart Asians acing the test, so they figured they’d get rid of it as a way to justify getting rid of more of them so they could get in more blacks!
And you are not reading what I’m posting, and I’m losing patience. You are so focused on “more diversity” as a goal that you are ignoring that what the TJ high school did - devise a policy with the end goal of keeping out more Asians and sliding in more blacks - was ruled ILLEGAL DISCRIMINATION in Court!!
Kind of sounds like you rightists favor a policy which keeps out blacks by basing it solely on test scores.The article didn’t suggest that blacks should be shunted off to vocational,schools. Theee you go with your accusations of racism again. All the article is doing is pointing out the truth - that blacks with a specific GPA and test scores are very likely to get into med school while whites and Asians with the identical scores are likely to get rejected. But shhhhh….can’t say that.
You leftists still want a racist policy that favors blacks, and then deny that standards are lowered for blacks to provide that favoritism. You can’t have it both ways.
YES, the liberals at TJ High School eliminated the test to get rid of high-scoring Asians and get in more blacks, That YOU don’t think so is irrelevant. A Court ruled that the educators DID alter admissions standards with the specific goal to get rid of the “excess” of Asians and get in blacks - and that it was racist, and ILLEGAL.
Racism is racism. Being racist against Asians is no more acceptable than being racist against blacks. You liberals need to grasp that concept.
It is also being appealed, let’s wait and see what happens there.Coyote
The rest of your post didn’t come out, so I respond to your last point here.
YES, the liberals at TJ High School eliminated the test to get rid of high-scoring Asians and get in more blacks, That YOU don’t think so is irrelevant. A Court ruled that the educators DID alter admissions standards with the specific goal to get rid of the “excess” of Asians and get in blacks - and that it was racist, and ILLEGAL.
Racism is racism. Being racist against Asians is no more acceptable than being racist against blacks. You liberals need to grasp that concept.
In all fairness, Asian Americans have encountered significant historic discrimination: Chinese exclusion act, interment of Japanese Americans.Nobody brought in Asians in chains.
There was never a clause in the constitution counting Asians as 3/5th of a white person.
Nobody created a system of discrimination against Asians.
There was never a KKK analogy terrorizing Asians in their homes.
There were not laws passed to keep Asians from marrying white people, like there were for blacks until 1969.
Again, the problem is that we look at Asians as that "Ideal" minority. The one that doesn't complain. Forgetting that they never encountered the obstacles that other minorities have faced.
The problem isn't just the outright racists (like you), it's the levels of institutionalized racism in academia, business, law enforcement that most people don't even notice.
I don't know of anyone who admits to be a racist, even when they are complaining about "the blacks" constantly.
I’m about ready to give up on you. You‘re out with the “racist!” accusation and so stuck in your own leftist world that you can’t even comprehend what I’m saying.I care about all of them, but given education is still the best way to get out of poverty, I think it is particularly important in for first generation students. (Btw…most of Harvard’s 2022 black freshmen are first Gen).
Why are you obsessing about them “getting in more blacks”? They are taking the top percent from every school, surely that is a good thing? Why should only those who can afford all the test prep and extra tutoring be the only ones to get in? You just said you supported idea of taking the top percentages and now you suddenly don’t?
And it is being appealed.
If taking the top percent of every school is “discriminatory” because it favors blacks then so is basing it on standardized test scores because that favors Asians.
Kind of sounds like you rightists favor a policy which keeps out blacks by basing it solely on test scores.
Quite interesting. The Asians want the pool to be larger, because their scores are generally higher. If the pool is quite local, school by school, Asians are competing with each other but not with all-black schools. I think I could support that, too. It's a creative idea for a hard problem about meritocracy.Interesting article here on how diversity INCREASED in this school when they took the top percent of all the area middle schools instead of using standard test scores Which had resulted in only two schools comprising almost the entire student body. I could support that.
I agree with this. I don't see why any school can't use legacy enrollments if they want, or choose on the basis of ANY characteristic --- race, sports, Christianity. And many do: some are black colleges, some Christian colleges. These are businesses and I know that there is an historical basis for the meritocracy that doesn't go back past the early 20th century. The meritocracy idea was purely to let in Jews, on the basis of their high intelligence (great historical article on this in the New Yorker years ago that I read), and in switching criteria, it seemed to mean the colleges served the country by sucking out all the smart kids and spitting them into the corporations, law schools, government. And that IS the reputation Harvard has had ever since, having the smartest students by testing. At least till all the affirmative action mess, so now no one believes they are the smartest.Schools have a right to use a variety of metrics beyond strict academics to select their student body, they have a right to strive to have a diverse student body whether it is racial, ethnic, economic, religion, or gender. What rightists are trying to do is restrict or eliminate that but only in some schools. Harvard is a private school.
In all fairness, Asian Americans have encountered significant historic discrimination: Chinese exclusion act, interment of Japanese Americans.
I’m about ready to give up on you. You‘re out with the “racist!” accusation and so stuck in your own leftist world that you can’t even comprehend what I’m saying.
For the last time, it’s not about just those who can afford the test prep! It goes school by school, so the schools in the poor districts do NOT compete with the affluent students.
And finally, do you not even hear yourself?? The competitive admissions test favors Asians, so let’s get rid of the test? Good way to race to the bottom, by eliminating entrance standards and tests, because “diversity” is all that counts.
And you SEE what happens when “diversity” is the ultimate goal. We end up with an idiot for VP because the most important thing was that we get in a black.
And while you yell “racist” at anyone who doesn’t think standards should be modified to achieve a specific racial quota, those of us with logic can see who the REAL racists are.
Good thing we didn’t have this nonsense when my poor but bright parents went to college. They aced the test that got them in, but these days….the test would be eliminated to get in more blacks, and my parents would have had much worse lives. But hey, they were white, so they could just be shunted off to vocational school.
I agree with this. I don't see why any school can't use legacy enrollments if they want, or choose on the basis of ANY characteristic --- race, sports, Christianity. And many do: some are black colleges, some Christian colleges. These are businesses and I know that there is an historical basis for the meritocracy that doesn't go back past the early 20th century. The meritocracy idea was purely to let in Jews, on the basis of their high intelligence (great historical article on this in the New Yorker years ago that I read), and in switching criteria, it seemed to mean the colleges served the country by sucking out all the smart kids and spitting them into the corporations, law schools, government. And that IS the reputation Harvard has had ever since, having the smartest students by testing. At least till all the affirmative action mess, so now no one believes they are the smartest.
But there is no reason this meritocracy thing has to go on forever! The colleges don't HAVE to do it, and many don't. Smart kids don't have a right to these coveted places: colleges can give them to whomever, Chinese and Indians, and they do, by the thousands, because these people can pay, too many Americans can't. If they want to give all the places to blacks, why shouldn't they? My old college is predominantly black and Indian and Chinese now, it seems ---- sad, for me, but they get to do that. They won't get so much alumnae money, however.
Colleges have become so ideologically corrupted that I am hoping more and more people will just not bother with that pointless credentialling. The credentialling was just to keep out blacks anyway, by hiring only on the basis of having a degree, which most blacks can't get. That's four wasted years getting indoctrinated with Marxism for no point good for the student. Better just go get a job.
