Zone1 Do most Jews believe they killed Jesus?

[Lisa558]

Who is still demonizing Jews?

The Christians, of whom there are many, who insist Jews will go to hell.

 

[irosie91]

Read the whole chapter. It is about the Son of Man. The one promised to restore what Adam and Eve lost.

In ancient literature----SON OF MAN is not used to designate an eternal incarnate "god"

 

[irosie91]

Read the whole chapter. It is about the Son of Man. The one promised to restore what Adam and Eve lost.

you have a citation for the definition of "son of man" meaning a restoration of
whatever you think Adam and Eve LOST?

 

[theHawk]

In ancient literature----SON OF MAN is not used to designate an eternal incarnate "god"

The title is in reference to the “new human” promised, where Adam failed, he would prevail.

You claim the Son of Man would not be divine, but Jer 33:16 states he is the Lord.

 

[theHawk]

The Christians, of whom there are many, who insist Jews will go to hell.

Those aren’t real Jews.

The new Israel is Christianity, and all are welcome. Plenty of ethnic Jews will go to heaven, if they have accepted Jesus.

 

[surada]

The Christians, of whom there are many, who insist Jews will go to hell.

Some. I think most Christians respect Jewish people.

 

[theHawk]

In ancient literature----SON OF MAN is not used to designate an eternal incarnate "god"

So Daniel was a heretic?

 

[surada]

So Daniel was a heretic?

Read Daniel 7 in context.

 

[Lisa558]

Some. I think most Christians respect Jewish people.

I thought so until I started reading this forum. Hopefully, they’re a fringe element of Christians.

 

[surada]

I thought so until I started reading this forum. Hopefully, they’re a fringe element of Christians.

The forum has a lot of ignorant members with inferiority complexes. They can't feel good unless they are attacking others.

 

[theHawk]

Read Daniel 7 in context.

I have.

 

[irosie91]

The title is in reference to the “new human” promised, where Adam failed, he would prevail.

You claim the Son of Man would not be divine, but Jer 33:16 states he is the Lord.

I do not even see where Jeremiah mentions a "SON OF MAN"----do you know how
to say "SON OF MAN" in Hebrew? Jeremiah is in Hebrew. Daniel is in Aramaic.
In hebrew---the phrase BEN ADAM ---can be rendered "son of adam or son of man or
HUMAN BEING. There is a similar word that refers to a human in aramaic---but I DO
NOT KNOW IT. I know of no context in which it becomes a moiety of "GOD" What
does "LORD" mean----In hebrew ADON means LORD----if your last name is
SMITH---you are ADON SMITH. As a designation for "GOD" it becomes ADONAI ----
the grammar of which I am unsure----it could be a first person possessive ---but
in a superlative form ?????

 

[irosie91]

I have.

in aramaic?

 

[irosie91]

So Daniel was a heretic?

Daniel wrote in Aramaic and his writings are very arcane---
he uses a few words that do not even have an equivalent
in Hebrew. When you read Daniel in aramaic----please
let us know. Do you know what CHASHMAL means?

 

[theHawk]

Daniel wrote in Aramaic and his writings are very arcane---
he uses a few words that do not even have an equivalent
in Hebrew. When you read Daniel in aramaic----please
let us know. Do you know what CHASHMAL means?

You keep using this word “arcane”, which really means nothing of relevance.

Major tap dancing going on by irosie91 when it comes to Daniel. You act like just because it was written in Aramaic it can just be dismissed.

 

[irosie91]

Read Daniel 7 in context.

good Idea----if you can ----knowing aramaic---uhm---the aramaic of
the jews who lived in Babylon----back then----would help. Reading
the NT in context helps too. It helps to know that the Romans hated
the Pharisees PASSIONATELY and the Sadducees and tax collectors and
money changers ALSO hated the Pharisees but----the romans like them and
the feeling was mutual. It also helps to know that the Romans crucified
thousands of Pharisees. Herod died of natural causes as did the all time
Roman fave----CAIAPHAS

You keep using this word “arcane”, which really means nothing of relevance.

Major tap dancing going on by irosie91 when it comes to Daniel. You act like just because it was written in Aramaic it can just be dismissed.

wrong----it can be read---in aramaic. There are lots of people who know
aramaic of the kind used by Daniel. and used even today-----An interesting
tidbit---my marriage contract is written in aramaic. Find someone FLUENT in
that language so he can help you

 

[theHawk]

good Idea----if you can ----knowing aramaic---uhm---the aramaic of
the jews who lived in Babylon----back then----would help. Reading
the NT in context helps too. It helps to know that the Romans hated
the Pharisees PASSIONATELY and the Sadducees and tax collectors and
money changers ALSO hated the Pharisees but----the romans like them and
the feeling was mutual. It also helps to know that the Romans crucified
thousands of Pharisees. Herod died of natural causes as did the all time
Roman fave----CAIAPHAS

wrong----it can be read---in aramaic. There are lots of people who know
aramaic of the kind used by Daniel. and used even today-----An interesting
tidbit---my marriage contract is written in aramaic. Find someone FLUENT in
that language so he can help you

There is a video series on the Torah/Bible by a man who is fluent in Semitic languages, Hebrew and Aramaic.

Here is his take on Daniel:

 

[irosie91]

There is a video series on the Torah/Bible by a man who is fluent in Semitic languages, Hebrew and Aramaic.

Here is his take on Daniel:

Yeah SO? the Book of daniel is a complex fantastical series of events
that can be used to describe all sorts of human epic stories SO?
That's why it is so considered by Jewish scholars----too fanciful to
render the very creative DANIEL a "prophet"----any more than was
the brilliant writer HANS CHRISTIAN ANDERSEN or ERNEST HEMINGWAY
besides the fact that he uses some words that nobody is. sure of as to
meaning. On that I know is "chashmal"

 

[BreezeWood]

wrong----it can be read---in aramaic.

- and surly the autocrats knew the message of servitude to convey so easily through their text. their willing congregations not withstanding than for the truth. ir-91

- what is spoken then and now, self determination is not a document. to bad for the desert dwellers.

 

[theHawk]

Yeah SO? the Book of daniel is a complex fantastical series of events
that can be used to describe all sorts of human epic stories SO?
That's why it is so considered by Jewish scholars----too fanciful to
render the very creative DANIEL a "prophet"----any more than was
the brilliant writer HANS CHRISTIAN ANDERSEN or ERNEST HEMINGWAY
besides the fact that he uses some words that nobody is. sure of as to
meaning. On that I know is "chashmal"

You can gripe and complain all you want. It is in the Tanakh. I could care less what anti-Christian fake Jewish “scholars” think about it. Of course they will try to explain it away and downplay Daniel since his vision directly informs us of the Son of Man who will be seated at the right hand of God.