Do Putin and Trump have common interests?

[OnePercenter]

Besides both having 5-letter surnames, it appears that Putin & Trump share an extreme view on nationalism, and are intent on competition & conflict to enforce their views instead of diplomacy with other nations who are more balanced politically.

This commentary from the Spiegel is food for thought and debate ...

“Vladimir Putin operates in the shadows. The Russian president controls a clever disinformation campaign with the aim of upsetting the populations of Western countries, discrediting their institutions, dividing society, influencing elections and ultimately causing the collapse of liberal democracy. Nevertheless, there are still many people who continue to believe that Putin is innocent and that the claims are merely the malicious fabrications of Western intelligence agencies. Is it all just a conspiracy theory?

Regarding Donald Trump's intentions, by contrast, there can no longer be any doubt. Since taking office, he has carried out a scorched-earth policy against multi-lateral treaties of all kinds. He is a man with no interest in foreign policy, seeing it merely as an instrument to pursue his "America First" ideology. He views cooperation as a weakness, the latest proof being the US withdrawal from the United Nations Human Rights Council.

Trump’s open support for German right-wing populists is nothing less than a blatant attack by a foreign power on that country's government. It is a direct attempt by the White House to destabilize the Federal Republic of Germany.”

Being king of the world comes to mind, much like Hitler. I hope it ends the same way for each of them.

 

[denmark]

Anyone voting for Trump is not to be believed.

Only a low IQ individual can say something like that.

If you have a decent IQ, why don’t you finally answer my simple question:
Why did Putin prefer Trump over Clinton?

Is IRA familiar to you? I bet it is ...
Internet Research Agency - Wikipedia

The Internet Research Agency (IRA) is a Russian company, based in Saint Petersburg, engaged in online influence operations on behalf of Russian business and political interests. The Assessing Russian Activities and Intentions in Recent US Elections report issued in January 2017 by the United States Intelligence Community has described the Agency as a troll farm financed by a Putin ally with ties to Russian intelligence. The agency has employed fake accounts registered on major social networks, discussion boards, online newspaper sites, and video hosting services to promote the Kremlin's interests in domestic and foreign policy.

More than 1,000 employees reportedly worked in a single building of the agency in 2015.
On 16 February 2018, a United States grand jury indicted 13 Russian nationals and 3 Russian entities, including the Internet Research Agency, on charges of violating criminal laws with the intent to interfere "with U.S. elections and political processes", according to the Justice Department.

 

[zaangalewa]

Does anyone know what I wrote here and why this was deleted from the moderators of this forum? They say "reason: family attack" - What is a "family attack"?

 

[denmark]

Does anyone know what I wrote here and why this was deleted from the moderators of this forum? They say "reason: family attack" - What is a "family attack"?

I do not know about that, but am curious.
Could you rephrase your post/comments?
So far, I think USMB mods are doing a good job letting people comment ... or am I wrong?

 

[skye]

Putin and President Trump have peace in common.


Bless them both!

 

[WEATHER53]

Getting along with Russia is good across the board

 

[zaangalewa]

Does anyone know what I wrote here and why this was deleted from the moderators of this forum? They say "reason: family attack" - What is a "family attack"?

I do not know about that, but am curious.
Could you rephrase your post/comments?
So far, I think USMB mods are doing a good job letting people comment ... or am I wrong?

From time to time they delete something what I say. Always only on stupid reasons - as far as I remember in the moment. But in this case now I don't remember what I said. Specially I don't have any lousy idea about what a "family attack" could be.

 

[zaangalewa]

… Being king of the world comes to mind, much like Hitler. I hope it ends the same way for each of them.

Not everyone is able to climb out of ruins and to restart again.

 

[OnePercenter]

Getting along with Russia is good across the board

Why?

 

[OnePercenter]

Again Weather53, Why is "Getting along with Russia is good across the board" good?

 

[deanrd]

This is a case of Trump loving Putin. Republicans love Trump. So Republicans love Putin.

 

[zaangalewa]

@btpw forever

If you have nothing to say then also let it be to mark 4 of my posts, which you did not read nor try to understand, with the attribute "funny", lazy bone.

 

[Ecocertifmrl]

If you consider being a puppet of Putin, then yes, they have common interests.

What policies has Trump promoted, or put in place that are PRO Putin, and/or PRO Russia?

Immigration, taxes, trade, international visits, passivness in Syria, korea negitiations, electing f his co colleagues...... shall i go on?

 

[gipper]

Anyone voting for Trump is not to be believed.

Only a low IQ individual can say something like that.

If you have a decent IQ, why don’t you finally answer my simple question:
Why did Putin prefer Trump over Clinton?

Is IRA familiar to you? I bet it is ...
Internet Research Agency - Wikipedia

The Internet Research Agency (IRA) is a Russian company, based in Saint Petersburg, engaged in online influence operations on behalf of Russian business and political interests. The Assessing Russian Activities and Intentions in Recent US Elections report issued in January 2017 by the United States Intelligence Community has described the Agency as a troll farm financed by a Putin ally with ties to Russian intelligence. The agency has employed fake accounts registered on major social networks, discussion boards, online newspaper sites, and video hosting services to promote the Kremlin's interests in domestic and foreign policy.

More than 1,000 employees reportedly worked in a single building of the agency in 2015.
On 16 February 2018, a United States grand jury indicted 13 Russian nationals and 3 Russian entities, including the Internet Research Agency, on charges of violating criminal laws with the intent to interfere "with U.S. elections and political processes", according to the Justice Department.

Preferring Trump over Cankles is just smart. No sane person wants a crook for POTUS.

Why can’t Putin be allowed a preference?

 

[tyroneweaver]

Besides both having 5-letter surnames, it appears that Putin & Trump share an extreme view on nationalism, and are intent on competition & conflict to enforce their views instead of diplomacy with other nations who are more balanced politically.

This commentary from the Spiegel is food for thought and debate ...

“Vladimir Putin operates in the shadows. The Russian president controls a clever disinformation campaign with the aim of upsetting the populations of Western countries, discrediting their institutions, dividing society, influencing elections and ultimately causing the collapse of liberal democracy. Nevertheless, there are still many people who continue to believe that Putin is innocent and that the claims are merely the malicious fabrications of Western intelligence agencies. Is it all just a conspiracy theory?

Regarding Donald Trump's intentions, by contrast, there can no longer be any doubt. Since taking office, he has carried out a scorched-earth policy against multi-lateral treaties of all kinds. He is a man with no interest in foreign policy, seeing it merely as an instrument to pursue his "America First" ideology. He views cooperation as a weakness, the latest proof being the US withdrawal from the United Nations Human Rights Council.

Trump’s open support for German right-wing populists is nothing less than a blatant attack by a foreign power on that country's government. It is a direct attempt by the White House to destabilize the Federal Republic of Germany.”

I’m not in favor of this mtg.
Putin doesn’t really care about cooperation
Putin has the luxury of being his own man and doesn’t have to deal with a congress
The Russians could make concessions and just do what they want any way

 

[zaangalewa]

Oh by the way: "Do Germany and the USA have common interests any longer"?


I would say Germany and the USA lose more and more common interests. Example: Because Trump makes steel in the USA more expensive - what's a problem for the production of cars in the USA - and the same time Trump took care the export of cars from the USA to China is much more expensive too - BMW and Mercedes have now a problem with the export of cars "made in the USA". And ignoring their own nonsense the Grinch Grenell and the solo-Trumpeter of the USA try to convince the same time the German car industry to open new factories in the USA. Funny. Funnier. Funniest.

 

[Stratford57]

Again Weather53, Why is "Getting along with Russia is good across the board" good?

This article answers your question. However I doubt any of you liberals will read it: you prefer to keep screaming against Trump/Putin summit and understanding of its importance may knock down the main platform your hate is based on.

Jim Jatras, a Washington, DC-based attorney, political analyst, and media & government affairs specialist:

The fact that Donald Trump made his intention to get along with Moscow a priority during his 2016 campaign, both against his Republican primary rivals and Hillary Clinton (who has compared Putin to Hitler) was cause for alarm. US reconciliation with Russia would yank the rug out from under the phony justifications for spending hundreds of billions of dollars annually to counter a “threat” that ceased to exist over a quarter century ago. Absent hostility to Russia that money has no reason to keep sustaining the power, privilege, and prosperity of a horde of moochers and profiteers, both at home and abroad.

That’s why when it was reported soon after his January 2017 inauguration that Trump was seeking to open dialogue with the Kremlin and set an early summit with Putin there was a hysterical counteraction.

Major worries are voiced by useless freeloader countries we call“allies,” whose governments fret that the US will become “less reliable” – to their rulers’ interests of course, not to those of the American people. This specifically means the members of NATO, whose summit Trump will attend prior to Helsinki. As former US ambassador to Moscow and to NATO Alexander Vershbow suggests, “allies are wondering whether they will be in for nothing more than a tongue lashing by President Trump over insufficient defense spending, further inflaming transatlantic divisions over trade, the Iran deal, and other issues.”

However, it should not be thought that the US and NATO establishment’s hostility to Russia is entirely venal. There is also a strong ideological component. Whereas during the first Cold War much of the western establishment, especially on the Left, felt an affinity for the materialist goals of communism (if not its methods), Russia’s reemergence under Putin as a conservative country in which national traditions and the Orthodox Church are respected has led to a bitter sense of betrayal. That makes Putin, as articulated by Hillary Clinton, leader of the worldwide “authoritarian, white-supremacist, and xenophobic movement” who is “emboldening right-wing nationalists, separatists, racists, and even neo-Nazis.” No Soviet leader, not even Joseph Stalin, was ever portrayed in such diabolical fashion in US media and government circles the way Putin is.

For some Democratic partisans and Never-Trump neo-conservative Republicans, horror at improved US-Russia relations competes with the loathing of Trump personally. But for other Americans, both supporters of the President and people who find him objectionable, the summit should not be seen as a litmus test about their attitudes toward the current occupant of the White House. Rather, the issue is what the summit can mean for Americans’ safety and security – and perhaps our very survival.

During the past few years as we have entered what has been called a second Cold War, this time with post-communist Russia, the seriousness with which the US used to regard the old Soviet Union has been lacking. The bipartisan foreign policy consensus became a closed, incestuous loop in which Republicans and Democrats vied for who could be most strident in their anti-Russian attitudes: let’s poke the bear and see if he growls!

Color revolutions and disastrous wars of regime change toppled Moscow-friendly governments, justified as supposed “democracy promotion.” Risk of confrontation between US and Russian military personnel – studiously avoided during Cold War 1 – takes place with reckless glee in Russia’s Black and Baltic Seas littorals, in Ukraine, and especially in Syria, where earlier this year American forces reportedly slaughtered many Russian contractors – to the delight of some of those now warning darkly against the Trump-Putin meeting. Perhaps most dangerously, the painfully constructed complex of arms control agreements has atrophied as both sides build up stocks of new hypersonic, cyber, and space weapons.

It is perhaps beyond the power of either Trump or Putin to reverse this dangerous trend with one stroke, but maybe they can at least make a start in arresting it. The usual suspects warn of failure, but their real worry is that the summit might be a success. Let’s hope their worst nightmare comes true and peace breaks out.
^ Those are only some parts of the article:
US establishment in hysterics that Trump-Putin summit might succeed

I can see why the Establishment needs confrontation with Russia. But what is good for Establishment not necessarily is good for you.

 

[OnePercenter]

Again Weather53, Why is "Getting along with Russia is good across the board" good?

This article answers your question. However I doubt any of you liberals will read it: you prefer to keep screaming against Trump/Putin summit and understanding of its importance may knock down the main platform your hate is based on.

Jim Jatras, a Washington, DC-based attorney, political analyst, and media & government affairs specialist:

The fact that Donald Trump made his intention to get along with Moscow a priority during his 2016 campaign, both against his Republican primary rivals and Hillary Clinton (who has compared Putin to Hitler) was cause for alarm. US reconciliation with Russia would yank the rug out from under the phony justifications for spending hundreds of billions of dollars annually to counter a “threat” that ceased to exist over a quarter century ago. Absent hostility to Russia that money has no reason to keep sustaining the power, privilege, and prosperity of a horde of moochers and profiteers, both at home and abroad.

That’s why when it was reported soon after his January 2017 inauguration that Trump was seeking to open dialogue with the Kremlin and set an early summit with Putin there was a hysterical counteraction.

Major worries are voiced by useless freeloader countries we call“allies,” whose governments fret that the US will become “less reliable” – to their rulers’ interests of course, not to those of the American people. This specifically means the members of NATO, whose summit Trump will attend prior to Helsinki. As former US ambassador to Moscow and to NATO Alexander Vershbow suggests, “allies are wondering whether they will be in for nothing more than a tongue lashing by President Trump over insufficient defense spending, further inflaming transatlantic divisions over trade, the Iran deal, and other issues.”

However, it should not be thought that the US and NATO establishment’s hostility to Russia is entirely venal. There is also a strong ideological component. Whereas during the first Cold War much of the western establishment, especially on the Left, felt an affinity for the materialist goals of communism (if not its methods), Russia’s reemergence under Putin as a conservative country in which national traditions and the Orthodox Church are respected has led to a bitter sense of betrayal. That makes Putin, as articulated by Hillary Clinton, leader of the worldwide “authoritarian, white-supremacist, and xenophobic movement” who is “emboldening right-wing nationalists, separatists, racists, and even neo-Nazis.” No Soviet leader, not even Joseph Stalin, was ever portrayed in such diabolical fashion in US media and government circles the way Putin is.

For some Democratic partisans and Never-Trump neo-conservative Republicans, horror at improved US-Russia relations competes with the loathing of Trump personally. But for other Americans, both supporters of the President and people who find him objectionable, the summit should not be seen as a litmus test about their attitudes toward the current occupant of the White House. Rather, the issue is what the summit can mean for Americans’ safety and security – and perhaps our very survival.

During the past few years as we have entered what has been called a second Cold War, this time with post-communist Russia, the seriousness with which the US used to regard the old Soviet Union has been lacking. The bipartisan foreign policy consensus became a closed, incestuous loop in which Republicans and Democrats vied for who could be most strident in their anti-Russian attitudes: let’s poke the bear and see if he growls!

Color revolutions and disastrous wars of regime change toppled Moscow-friendly governments, justified as supposed “democracy promotion.” Risk of confrontation between US and Russian military personnel – studiously avoided during Cold War 1 – takes place with reckless glee in Russia’s Black and Baltic Seas littorals, in Ukraine, and especially in Syria, where earlier this year American forces reportedly slaughtered many Russian contractors – to the delight of some of those now warning darkly against the Trump-Putin meeting. Perhaps most dangerously, the painfully constructed complex of arms control agreements has atrophied as both sides build up stocks of new hypersonic, cyber, and space weapons.

It is perhaps beyond the power of either Trump or Putin to reverse this dangerous trend with one stroke, but maybe they can at least make a start in arresting it. The usual suspects warn of failure, but their real worry is that the summit might be a success. Let’s hope their worst nightmare comes true and peace breaks out.
^ Those are only some parts of the article:
US establishment in hysterics that Trump-Putin summit might succeed

I can see why the Establishment needs confrontation with Russia. But what is good for Establishment not necessarily is good for you.

Putin knows he can't defeat the US militarily or economically, so he is using Western values like direct democracy, freedom of speech and assembly and all the rest for the destruction of the West and these things which are its values.

Putin IS evil and tRump is stupid....really bad combination.

 

[Stratford57]

Putin IS evil and tRump is stupid....really bad combination.

Mr. or Mrs. or both, so far I can see you are stupid. And seems like I was right: you didn't bother to read the article, you just want to make noise. Who would have doubted...

From now don't expect me to respond to your stupid questions.

 

[OnePercenter]

Putin IS evil and tRump is stupid....really bad combination.

Mr. or Mrs. or both, so far I can see you are stupid. And seems like I was right: you didn't bother to read the article, you just want to make noise. Who would have doubted...

From now don't expect me to respond to your stupid questions.

Run Away! Run Away! Remain ignorant! Remain a fool!

One last question. If Russia is such a great place, then why do we have so many of their citizens in the US?