Do you believe that we are now or will soon be overpopulated?

[RetiredGySgt]

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With higher population densities, we see more car traffic, urban pollution, and viral infections ... .

What we have actually seen in the real world is improved gas mileage and reduced emissions from cars over the past several decades, and increased use of public transportation. I already gave you an example of how urban pollution was worse over 100 years ago. As for viral infections, I gave you the most famous example, but we can look at the Bubonic Plague in comparison with 1918, 1957, 1959, 1965, etc. to see that viruses have always existed and over time our ability to mitigate the effects of them even in the face of a growing population has also improved over time. All of the things you want to point to as "proof" of so-called overpopulation are things that have always existed, but our ability to deal with them has NEVER been better than it is now with the highest population in history. There simply is NO 'overpopulation.' Even at that, as you have been told several times now, we are moving toward a global population decline in any case.

“Overpopulation” is a RELATIVE term.
This thread’s title asks our opinion.
In some places, outside large urban areas, there is little “overpopulation”, But in many other areas of this planet, there is undisputed overpopulation.
I know; I have traveled myself to India, China, Indonesia, etc. Have you?
.

Yes. You still fail.

The human species will fail Earth if it keeps screwing with Mother Nature.
.

David Attenborough Says Climate Change Is A ‘Crime’ Humanity Has Inflicted On The Planet

The documentarian reiterated his grief that society has destroyed large swaths of the natural world, but said humanity is “not beyond redemption.”

www.huffpost.com

Unkotare is smarter than David Attenborough

“Well, a crime has been committed,” Attenborough, 95, replied. “And it so happens that, I’m of such an age, that I was able to see it beginning.”
“It isn’t that I enjoy saying: ‘Doom, doom, doom,’” he continued. “On the contrary, I’d much rather [say]: ‘Enjoy, take thrill, excitement, pleasure, joy, joy, joy, joy.’ But if you’ve got any sense of responsibility, you can’t do that.”

The documentarian’s comments come amid ongoing and increasingly dire warnings from the planet’s scientists that climate change is largely continuing unabated. A report released last month by the Environmental Protection Agency detailed a disturbing shift in the United States caused by a warming world: The destruction of permafrost in Alaska, a spike in heat waves nationwide and longer-lasting wildfire and pollen season.

In his book and documentary, Attenborough pointed to existing technology that could help greatly alleviate the threat of climate change, primarily an immediate shift away from fossil fuels and an effort to “rewild” large tracts of the planet, giving the natural world time to recover.
The threat, he concluded, has grown so large as to be beyond the burden of any one nation.
“I would say that the time has come to put aside national ambitions and look for an international ambition of survival,” he said. He later added: “What good does it do to say, “Oh, to hell with it, I don’t care.’ You can’t say that. Not if … you love your children. Not if you love the rest of human― how can you say that?”

Yeah....China is about to experience a rapid decline in population so much so they have lifted their one child policy and now want 3......

Climate change is a scam....the planet changes climate without any help......and anyone who is telling you to give them money and power to save the planet is selling you BS....

Bullshit. And the ocean is a toilet bowl.

But, these Green companies will be the new industries. I have a battery powered bike. My girlfriend just bought a home and purchased a battery powered lawn mower.

We need to pay taxes to hire people to go clean out the oceans of all the plastic you stupid conservatives are really ignorant.

lol batteries are toxic where do you think they go when used up?

 

[bripat9643]

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With higher population densities, we see more car traffic, urban pollution, and viral infections ... .

What we have actually seen in the real world is improved gas mileage and reduced emissions from cars over the past several decades, and increased use of public transportation. I already gave you an example of how urban pollution was worse over 100 years ago. As for viral infections, I gave you the most famous example, but we can look at the Bubonic Plague in comparison with 1918, 1957, 1959, 1965, etc. to see that viruses have always existed and over time our ability to mitigate the effects of them even in the face of a growing population has also improved over time. All of the things you want to point to as "proof" of so-called overpopulation are things that have always existed, but our ability to deal with them has NEVER been better than it is now with the highest population in history. There simply is NO 'overpopulation.' Even at that, as you have been told several times now, we are moving toward a global population decline in any case.

“Overpopulation” is a RELATIVE term.
This thread’s title asks our opinion.
In some places, outside large urban areas, there is little “overpopulation”, But in many other areas of this planet, there is undisputed overpopulation.
I know; I have traveled myself to India, China, Indonesia, etc. Have you?
.

Yes. You still fail.

The human species will fail Earth if it keeps screwing with Mother Nature.
.

David Attenborough Says Climate Change Is A ‘Crime’ Humanity Has Inflicted On The Planet

The documentarian reiterated his grief that society has destroyed large swaths of the natural world, but said humanity is “not beyond redemption.”

www.huffpost.com

Unkotare is smarter than David Attenborough

“Well, a crime has been committed,” Attenborough, 95, replied. “And it so happens that, I’m of such an age, that I was able to see it beginning.”
“It isn’t that I enjoy saying: ‘Doom, doom, doom,’” he continued. “On the contrary, I’d much rather [say]: ‘Enjoy, take thrill, excitement, pleasure, joy, joy, joy, joy.’ But if you’ve got any sense of responsibility, you can’t do that.”

The documentarian’s comments come amid ongoing and increasingly dire warnings from the planet’s scientists that climate change is largely continuing unabated. A report released last month by the Environmental Protection Agency detailed a disturbing shift in the United States caused by a warming world: The destruction of permafrost in Alaska, a spike in heat waves nationwide and longer-lasting wildfire and pollen season.

In his book and documentary, Attenborough pointed to existing technology that could help greatly alleviate the threat of climate change, primarily an immediate shift away from fossil fuels and an effort to “rewild” large tracts of the planet, giving the natural world time to recover.
The threat, he concluded, has grown so large as to be beyond the burden of any one nation.
“I would say that the time has come to put aside national ambitions and look for an international ambition of survival,” he said. He later added: “What good does it do to say, “Oh, to hell with it, I don’t care.’ You can’t say that. Not if … you love your children. Not if you love the rest of human― how can you say that?”

Appeal to authority - a logical fallacy.

Sort of like how Christians believe priests?

I don't think it's an appeal to authority when you get sick and go see a doctor is it? Well when it comes to climate change, who else are you going to appeal to? It's not a fallacy.

It's an appeal to authority, moron. You failed to prove it's not. You attempted to claim that some appeals to authority are valid, but you failed to prove it.

Well if that's your only comment I guess we're done. Even if it is an appeal to authority what's wrong with that? If the guy's a scientists or expert in the field why not point to him and say look he agrees with us?

You do it with Ben Carson.

What's wrong with using an appeal to authority?

You're a true Democrat.

 

[2aguy]

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With higher population densities, we see more car traffic, urban pollution, and viral infections ... .

What we have actually seen in the real world is improved gas mileage and reduced emissions from cars over the past several decades, and increased use of public transportation. I already gave you an example of how urban pollution was worse over 100 years ago. As for viral infections, I gave you the most famous example, but we can look at the Bubonic Plague in comparison with 1918, 1957, 1959, 1965, etc. to see that viruses have always existed and over time our ability to mitigate the effects of them even in the face of a growing population has also improved over time. All of the things you want to point to as "proof" of so-called overpopulation are things that have always existed, but our ability to deal with them has NEVER been better than it is now with the highest population in history. There simply is NO 'overpopulation.' Even at that, as you have been told several times now, we are moving toward a global population decline in any case.

“Overpopulation” is a RELATIVE term.
This thread’s title asks our opinion.
In some places, outside large urban areas, there is little “overpopulation”, But in many other areas of this planet, there is undisputed overpopulation.
I know; I have traveled myself to India, China, Indonesia, etc. Have you?
.

Yes. You still fail.

The human species will fail Earth if it keeps screwing with Mother Nature.
.

David Attenborough Says Climate Change Is A ‘Crime’ Humanity Has Inflicted On The Planet

The documentarian reiterated his grief that society has destroyed large swaths of the natural world, but said humanity is “not beyond redemption.”

www.huffpost.com

Unkotare is smarter than David Attenborough

“Well, a crime has been committed,” Attenborough, 95, replied. “And it so happens that, I’m of such an age, that I was able to see it beginning.”
“It isn’t that I enjoy saying: ‘Doom, doom, doom,’” he continued. “On the contrary, I’d much rather [say]: ‘Enjoy, take thrill, excitement, pleasure, joy, joy, joy, joy.’ But if you’ve got any sense of responsibility, you can’t do that.”

The documentarian’s comments come amid ongoing and increasingly dire warnings from the planet’s scientists that climate change is largely continuing unabated. A report released last month by the Environmental Protection Agency detailed a disturbing shift in the United States caused by a warming world: The destruction of permafrost in Alaska, a spike in heat waves nationwide and longer-lasting wildfire and pollen season.

In his book and documentary, Attenborough pointed to existing technology that could help greatly alleviate the threat of climate change, primarily an immediate shift away from fossil fuels and an effort to “rewild” large tracts of the planet, giving the natural world time to recover.
The threat, he concluded, has grown so large as to be beyond the burden of any one nation.
“I would say that the time has come to put aside national ambitions and look for an international ambition of survival,” he said. He later added: “What good does it do to say, “Oh, to hell with it, I don’t care.’ You can’t say that. Not if … you love your children. Not if you love the rest of human― how can you say that?”

A. The world is far from being overpopulated. You can fit the entire world population in Texas and give ever family a quarter of an acre home.

B. Only science deniers think the climate of today is optimum and believe that for the first time since time began the climate must stop changing.

Some like to assert that everybody on Earth could be fit into the State of Texas, using logic as follows. The area of Texas is about 262,000 mi2. Dividing this figure by the current human population of 7 billion leaves each person with less than 100 square meters, a small plot the size of a big room about 10 m x 10 m.

One third of Earth's surface is desert which supports very few people.

Without going into the fact that almost half the State is desert, notice we have not allowed for any roads, shopping malls, schools, hospitals, football stadiums, prisons, sewage plants, rivers, lakes, reservoirs, golf courses, parks, and what else? How much land does it take to support a human being?

Right now China, USA, Mexico, India, Europe, Canada, Australia, are all putting up too many toxic fumes. We need to stop. We are destroying the planet. THat's the scientific consensus.

No, we are not destroying the planet.....but please, feel free to giver your money to the ones telling you we are, and please, give your freedom to the ones who tell you we are....they need your money to buy more mansions on the various coasts around the country and they need power to extract even more of your money from you ....besides...when they fly on private jets...it costs a lot of money....and when you are in your smart car, just make sure to get out of the way of their gas guzzling SUVs as they tool around to their climate religious events..........of course, their Electric cars will be in their garages...only brought out as a show for people like you....

 

[2aguy]

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With higher population densities, we see more car traffic, urban pollution, and viral infections ... .

What we have actually seen in the real world is improved gas mileage and reduced emissions from cars over the past several decades, and increased use of public transportation. I already gave you an example of how urban pollution was worse over 100 years ago. As for viral infections, I gave you the most famous example, but we can look at the Bubonic Plague in comparison with 1918, 1957, 1959, 1965, etc. to see that viruses have always existed and over time our ability to mitigate the effects of them even in the face of a growing population has also improved over time. All of the things you want to point to as "proof" of so-called overpopulation are things that have always existed, but our ability to deal with them has NEVER been better than it is now with the highest population in history. There simply is NO 'overpopulation.' Even at that, as you have been told several times now, we are moving toward a global population decline in any case.

You make some good points in that improved technology can reduce emissions, take less space, make medical breakthroughs, etc.
However, there are 2 main reasons you are wrong.

One is that which made Malthus wrong was all fossil fuel based, and that is going to run out.
Fossil fuels powered the miracle that created the fertilizers that increased farming production by more than a factor of 4, and allow such wider food distribution that our grocery store have fresh produce from all over the world.
Solar and wind are awful because then you need some means of energy storage.
Fission and fusion are not sustainable either, since we have limited fissile material and will produce lots of radioactive wastes.
There is no energy solution I know of, and no one has suggested one.

The other is that there are many limits to how much of the earth we have to leave alone. Not only are we dependent upon things like birds to eat insects and pollinators, but the oxygen we breath itself has to be regenerated on about a 200 year cycle. We dump lots of wastes into the ocean, and eventually that has to bite us as well. And we need a lot more trees. They not only produce oxygen, but reduce erosion, provide habitat, create shade, and change weather. There is so much we do not even know about or take for granted. Even fresh water could well become a limiting resource very soon.

It would be a contradiction to assume that improving techniques, technology, and a declining global population can’t mitigate the above.

Exactly...the only country really cutting CO2 emissions is the U.S....everyone else just keep polluting.........

Wealthy countries like clean things....they like forests and parks.....China wants power, and will enslave as many people, destroy as much of the environment, as it takes to get that power........

 

[sealybobo]

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With higher population densities, we see more car traffic, urban pollution, and viral infections ... .

What we have actually seen in the real world is improved gas mileage and reduced emissions from cars over the past several decades, and increased use of public transportation. I already gave you an example of how urban pollution was worse over 100 years ago. As for viral infections, I gave you the most famous example, but we can look at the Bubonic Plague in comparison with 1918, 1957, 1959, 1965, etc. to see that viruses have always existed and over time our ability to mitigate the effects of them even in the face of a growing population has also improved over time. All of the things you want to point to as "proof" of so-called overpopulation are things that have always existed, but our ability to deal with them has NEVER been better than it is now with the highest population in history. There simply is NO 'overpopulation.' Even at that, as you have been told several times now, we are moving toward a global population decline in any case.

“Overpopulation” is a RELATIVE term.
This thread’s title asks our opinion.
In some places, outside large urban areas, there is little “overpopulation”, But in many other areas of this planet, there is undisputed overpopulation.
I know; I have traveled myself to India, China, Indonesia, etc. Have you?
.

Yes. You still fail.

The human species will fail Earth if it keeps screwing with Mother Nature.
.

David Attenborough Says Climate Change Is A ‘Crime’ Humanity Has Inflicted On The Planet

The documentarian reiterated his grief that society has destroyed large swaths of the natural world, but said humanity is “not beyond redemption.”

www.huffpost.com

Unkotare is smarter than David Attenborough

“Well, a crime has been committed,” Attenborough, 95, replied. “And it so happens that, I’m of such an age, that I was able to see it beginning.”
“It isn’t that I enjoy saying: ‘Doom, doom, doom,’” he continued. “On the contrary, I’d much rather [say]: ‘Enjoy, take thrill, excitement, pleasure, joy, joy, joy, joy.’ But if you’ve got any sense of responsibility, you can’t do that.”

The documentarian’s comments come amid ongoing and increasingly dire warnings from the planet’s scientists that climate change is largely continuing unabated. A report released last month by the Environmental Protection Agency detailed a disturbing shift in the United States caused by a warming world: The destruction of permafrost in Alaska, a spike in heat waves nationwide and longer-lasting wildfire and pollen season.

In his book and documentary, Attenborough pointed to existing technology that could help greatly alleviate the threat of climate change, primarily an immediate shift away from fossil fuels and an effort to “rewild” large tracts of the planet, giving the natural world time to recover.
The threat, he concluded, has grown so large as to be beyond the burden of any one nation.
“I would say that the time has come to put aside national ambitions and look for an international ambition of survival,” he said. He later added: “What good does it do to say, “Oh, to hell with it, I don’t care.’ You can’t say that. Not if … you love your children. Not if you love the rest of human― how can you say that?”

Yeah....China is about to experience a rapid decline in population so much so they have lifted their one child policy and now want 3......

Climate change is a scam....the planet changes climate without any help......and anyone who is telling you to give them money and power to save the planet is selling you BS....

Bullshit. And the ocean is a toilet bowl.

But, these Green companies will be the new industries. I have a battery powered bike. My girlfriend just bought a home and purchased a battery powered lawn mower.

We need to pay taxes to hire people to go clean out the oceans of all the plastic you stupid conservatives are really ignorant.

lol batteries are toxic where do you think they go when used up?

Nonsense. Venice is moving to battery boats. Clean up the air, water and noise pollution.

Don't hate.

You think it'd be better for me to be riding around on a gas powered moped than my battery bike?

Where does everything go when we are done with them? In the trash. Recyle? It's amazing what we are doing today.

 

[2aguy]

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With higher population densities, we see more car traffic, urban pollution, and viral infections ... .

What we have actually seen in the real world is improved gas mileage and reduced emissions from cars over the past several decades, and increased use of public transportation. I already gave you an example of how urban pollution was worse over 100 years ago. As for viral infections, I gave you the most famous example, but we can look at the Bubonic Plague in comparison with 1918, 1957, 1959, 1965, etc. to see that viruses have always existed and over time our ability to mitigate the effects of them even in the face of a growing population has also improved over time. All of the things you want to point to as "proof" of so-called overpopulation are things that have always existed, but our ability to deal with them has NEVER been better than it is now with the highest population in history. There simply is NO 'overpopulation.' Even at that, as you have been told several times now, we are moving toward a global population decline in any case.

“Overpopulation” is a RELATIVE term.
This thread’s title asks our opinion.
In some places, outside large urban areas, there is little “overpopulation”, But in many other areas of this planet, there is undisputed overpopulation.
I know; I have traveled myself to India, China, Indonesia, etc. Have you?
.

Yes. You still fail.

The human species will fail Earth if it keeps screwing with Mother Nature.
.

David Attenborough Says Climate Change Is A ‘Crime’ Humanity Has Inflicted On The Planet

The documentarian reiterated his grief that society has destroyed large swaths of the natural world, but said humanity is “not beyond redemption.”

www.huffpost.com

Unkotare is smarter than David Attenborough

“Well, a crime has been committed,” Attenborough, 95, replied. “And it so happens that, I’m of such an age, that I was able to see it beginning.”
“It isn’t that I enjoy saying: ‘Doom, doom, doom,’” he continued. “On the contrary, I’d much rather [say]: ‘Enjoy, take thrill, excitement, pleasure, joy, joy, joy, joy.’ But if you’ve got any sense of responsibility, you can’t do that.”

The documentarian’s comments come amid ongoing and increasingly dire warnings from the planet’s scientists that climate change is largely continuing unabated. A report released last month by the Environmental Protection Agency detailed a disturbing shift in the United States caused by a warming world: The destruction of permafrost in Alaska, a spike in heat waves nationwide and longer-lasting wildfire and pollen season.

In his book and documentary, Attenborough pointed to existing technology that could help greatly alleviate the threat of climate change, primarily an immediate shift away from fossil fuels and an effort to “rewild” large tracts of the planet, giving the natural world time to recover.
The threat, he concluded, has grown so large as to be beyond the burden of any one nation.
“I would say that the time has come to put aside national ambitions and look for an international ambition of survival,” he said. He later added: “What good does it do to say, “Oh, to hell with it, I don’t care.’ You can’t say that. Not if … you love your children. Not if you love the rest of human― how can you say that?”

Yeah....China is about to experience a rapid decline in population so much so they have lifted their one child policy and now want 3......

Climate change is a scam....the planet changes climate without any help......and anyone who is telling you to give them money and power to save the planet is selling you BS....

Bullshit. And the ocean is a toilet bowl.

But, these Green companies will be the new industries. I have a battery powered bike. My girlfriend just bought a home and purchased a battery powered lawn mower.

We need to pay taxes to hire people to go clean out the oceans of all the plastic you stupid conservatives are really ignorant.

lol batteries are toxic where do you think they go when used up?

Nonsense. Venice is moving to battery boats. Clean up the air, water and noise pollution.

View attachment 498293
Don't hate.

You think it'd be better for me to be riding around on a gas powered moped than my battery bike?

Where does everything go when we are done with them? In the trash. Recyle? It's amazing what we are doing today.

Yeah......Italy is truly a world leader......in what, we don't know......but that boat looks cute...

Meanwhile, the U.S. protects europe, Asia, and provides advanced tech and medical innovation for the world.....

You go girl...

 

[sealybobo]

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With higher population densities, we see more car traffic, urban pollution, and viral infections ... .

What we have actually seen in the real world is improved gas mileage and reduced emissions from cars over the past several decades, and increased use of public transportation. I already gave you an example of how urban pollution was worse over 100 years ago. As for viral infections, I gave you the most famous example, but we can look at the Bubonic Plague in comparison with 1918, 1957, 1959, 1965, etc. to see that viruses have always existed and over time our ability to mitigate the effects of them even in the face of a growing population has also improved over time. All of the things you want to point to as "proof" of so-called overpopulation are things that have always existed, but our ability to deal with them has NEVER been better than it is now with the highest population in history. There simply is NO 'overpopulation.' Even at that, as you have been told several times now, we are moving toward a global population decline in any case.

“Overpopulation” is a RELATIVE term.
This thread’s title asks our opinion.
In some places, outside large urban areas, there is little “overpopulation”, But in many other areas of this planet, there is undisputed overpopulation.
I know; I have traveled myself to India, China, Indonesia, etc. Have you?
.

Yes. You still fail.

The human species will fail Earth if it keeps screwing with Mother Nature.
.

David Attenborough Says Climate Change Is A ‘Crime’ Humanity Has Inflicted On The Planet

The documentarian reiterated his grief that society has destroyed large swaths of the natural world, but said humanity is “not beyond redemption.”

www.huffpost.com

Unkotare is smarter than David Attenborough

“Well, a crime has been committed,” Attenborough, 95, replied. “And it so happens that, I’m of such an age, that I was able to see it beginning.”
“It isn’t that I enjoy saying: ‘Doom, doom, doom,’” he continued. “On the contrary, I’d much rather [say]: ‘Enjoy, take thrill, excitement, pleasure, joy, joy, joy, joy.’ But if you’ve got any sense of responsibility, you can’t do that.”

The documentarian’s comments come amid ongoing and increasingly dire warnings from the planet’s scientists that climate change is largely continuing unabated. A report released last month by the Environmental Protection Agency detailed a disturbing shift in the United States caused by a warming world: The destruction of permafrost in Alaska, a spike in heat waves nationwide and longer-lasting wildfire and pollen season.

In his book and documentary, Attenborough pointed to existing technology that could help greatly alleviate the threat of climate change, primarily an immediate shift away from fossil fuels and an effort to “rewild” large tracts of the planet, giving the natural world time to recover.
The threat, he concluded, has grown so large as to be beyond the burden of any one nation.
“I would say that the time has come to put aside national ambitions and look for an international ambition of survival,” he said. He later added: “What good does it do to say, “Oh, to hell with it, I don’t care.’ You can’t say that. Not if … you love your children. Not if you love the rest of human― how can you say that?”

Yeah....China is about to experience a rapid decline in population so much so they have lifted their one child policy and now want 3......

Climate change is a scam....the planet changes climate without any help......and anyone who is telling you to give them money and power to save the planet is selling you BS....

Bullshit. And the ocean is a toilet bowl.

But, these Green companies will be the new industries. I have a battery powered bike. My girlfriend just bought a home and purchased a battery powered lawn mower.

We need to pay taxes to hire people to go clean out the oceans of all the plastic you stupid conservatives are really ignorant.

lol batteries are toxic where do you think they go when used up?

Nonsense. Venice is moving to battery boats. Clean up the air, water and noise pollution.

View attachment 498293
Don't hate.

You think it'd be better for me to be riding around on a gas powered moped than my battery bike?

Where does everything go when we are done with them? In the trash. Recyle? It's amazing what we are doing today.

Yeah......Italy is truly a world leader......in what, we don't know......but that boat looks cute...

Meanwhile, the U.S. protects europe, Asia, and provides advanced tech and medical innovation for the world.....

You go girl...

I miss you Republicans back when you were at least pushing for more nuclear power. What happened to that? Are you hell bent on keeping the coal and gas business' going? Lobbyists? Votes?

 

[Weatherman2020]

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With higher population densities, we see more car traffic, urban pollution, and viral infections ... .

What we have actually seen in the real world is improved gas mileage and reduced emissions from cars over the past several decades, and increased use of public transportation. I already gave you an example of how urban pollution was worse over 100 years ago. As for viral infections, I gave you the most famous example, but we can look at the Bubonic Plague in comparison with 1918, 1957, 1959, 1965, etc. to see that viruses have always existed and over time our ability to mitigate the effects of them even in the face of a growing population has also improved over time. All of the things you want to point to as "proof" of so-called overpopulation are things that have always existed, but our ability to deal with them has NEVER been better than it is now with the highest population in history. There simply is NO 'overpopulation.' Even at that, as you have been told several times now, we are moving toward a global population decline in any case.

“Overpopulation” is a RELATIVE term.
This thread’s title asks our opinion.
In some places, outside large urban areas, there is little “overpopulation”, But in many other areas of this planet, there is undisputed overpopulation.
I know; I have traveled myself to India, China, Indonesia, etc. Have you?
.

Yes. You still fail.

The human species will fail Earth if it keeps screwing with Mother Nature.
.

David Attenborough Says Climate Change Is A ‘Crime’ Humanity Has Inflicted On The Planet

The documentarian reiterated his grief that society has destroyed large swaths of the natural world, but said humanity is “not beyond redemption.”

www.huffpost.com

Unkotare is smarter than David Attenborough

“Well, a crime has been committed,” Attenborough, 95, replied. “And it so happens that, I’m of such an age, that I was able to see it beginning.”
“It isn’t that I enjoy saying: ‘Doom, doom, doom,’” he continued. “On the contrary, I’d much rather [say]: ‘Enjoy, take thrill, excitement, pleasure, joy, joy, joy, joy.’ But if you’ve got any sense of responsibility, you can’t do that.”

The documentarian’s comments come amid ongoing and increasingly dire warnings from the planet’s scientists that climate change is largely continuing unabated. A report released last month by the Environmental Protection Agency detailed a disturbing shift in the United States caused by a warming world: The destruction of permafrost in Alaska, a spike in heat waves nationwide and longer-lasting wildfire and pollen season.

In his book and documentary, Attenborough pointed to existing technology that could help greatly alleviate the threat of climate change, primarily an immediate shift away from fossil fuels and an effort to “rewild” large tracts of the planet, giving the natural world time to recover.
The threat, he concluded, has grown so large as to be beyond the burden of any one nation.
“I would say that the time has come to put aside national ambitions and look for an international ambition of survival,” he said. He later added: “What good does it do to say, “Oh, to hell with it, I don’t care.’ You can’t say that. Not if … you love your children. Not if you love the rest of human― how can you say that?”

A. The world is far from being overpopulated. You can fit the entire world population in Texas and give ever family a quarter of an acre home.

B. Only science deniers think the climate of today is optimum and believe that for the first time since time began the climate must stop changing.

Some like to assert that everybody on Earth could be fit into the State of Texas, using logic as follows. The area of Texas is about 262,000 mi2. Dividing this figure by the current human population of 7 billion leaves each person with less than 100 square meters, a small plot the size of a big room about 10 m x 10 m.

One third of Earth's surface is desert which supports very few people.

Without going into the fact that almost half the State is desert, notice we have not allowed for any roads, shopping malls, schools, hospitals, football stadiums, prisons, sewage plants, rivers, lakes, reservoirs, golf courses, parks, and what else? How much land does it take to support a human being?

Right now China, USA, Mexico, India, Europe, Canada, Australia, are all putting up too many toxic fumes. We need to stop. We are destroying the planet. THat's the scientific consensus.

Math rule #1: don’t mix units of measurement.
Assumption: 7.6B population
Texas = 268,820 sq miles = 7,494,271,488,000 sq ft

That means ever human on earth could live in Texas and have 3,944 sq ft. Family of 4 gives them .09 acres, which is standard suburban lot size.

As far as climates, many people live in deserts by choice. Most of the planet is covered by water and a third of our underground is filled with water. Much of the earth is covered in ice. Assuming that melts, we gain livable land.

For anyone who travels, they know the earth is far from being overpopulated.

 

[Weatherman2020]

...

With higher population densities, we see more car traffic, urban pollution, and viral infections ... .

What we have actually seen in the real world is improved gas mileage and reduced emissions from cars over the past several decades, and increased use of public transportation. I already gave you an example of how urban pollution was worse over 100 years ago. As for viral infections, I gave you the most famous example, but we can look at the Bubonic Plague in comparison with 1918, 1957, 1959, 1965, etc. to see that viruses have always existed and over time our ability to mitigate the effects of them even in the face of a growing population has also improved over time. All of the things you want to point to as "proof" of so-called overpopulation are things that have always existed, but our ability to deal with them has NEVER been better than it is now with the highest population in history. There simply is NO 'overpopulation.' Even at that, as you have been told several times now, we are moving toward a global population decline in any case.

“Overpopulation” is a RELATIVE term.
This thread’s title asks our opinion.
In some places, outside large urban areas, there is little “overpopulation”, But in many other areas of this planet, there is undisputed overpopulation.
I know; I have traveled myself to India, China, Indonesia, etc. Have you?
.

Yes. You still fail.

The human species will fail Earth if it keeps screwing with Mother Nature.
.

David Attenborough Says Climate Change Is A ‘Crime’ Humanity Has Inflicted On The Planet

The documentarian reiterated his grief that society has destroyed large swaths of the natural world, but said humanity is “not beyond redemption.”

www.huffpost.com

Unkotare is smarter than David Attenborough

“Well, a crime has been committed,” Attenborough, 95, replied. “And it so happens that, I’m of such an age, that I was able to see it beginning.”
“It isn’t that I enjoy saying: ‘Doom, doom, doom,’” he continued. “On the contrary, I’d much rather [say]: ‘Enjoy, take thrill, excitement, pleasure, joy, joy, joy, joy.’ But if you’ve got any sense of responsibility, you can’t do that.”

The documentarian’s comments come amid ongoing and increasingly dire warnings from the planet’s scientists that climate change is largely continuing unabated. A report released last month by the Environmental Protection Agency detailed a disturbing shift in the United States caused by a warming world: The destruction of permafrost in Alaska, a spike in heat waves nationwide and longer-lasting wildfire and pollen season.

In his book and documentary, Attenborough pointed to existing technology that could help greatly alleviate the threat of climate change, primarily an immediate shift away from fossil fuels and an effort to “rewild” large tracts of the planet, giving the natural world time to recover.
The threat, he concluded, has grown so large as to be beyond the burden of any one nation.
“I would say that the time has come to put aside national ambitions and look for an international ambition of survival,” he said. He later added: “What good does it do to say, “Oh, to hell with it, I don’t care.’ You can’t say that. Not if … you love your children. Not if you love the rest of human― how can you say that?”

Yeah....China is about to experience a rapid decline in population so much so they have lifted their one child policy and now want 3......

Climate change is a scam....the planet changes climate without any help......and anyone who is telling you to give them money and power to save the planet is selling you BS....

Bullshit. And the ocean is a toilet bowl.

But, these Green companies will be the new industries. I have a battery powered bike. My girlfriend just bought a home and purchased a battery powered lawn mower.

We need to pay taxes to hire people to go clean out the oceans of all the plastic you stupid conservatives are really ignorant.

lol batteries are toxic where do you think they go when used up?

Nonsense. Venice is moving to battery boats. Clean up the air, water and noise pollution.

View attachment 498293
Don't hate.

You think it'd be better for me to be riding around on a gas powered moped than my battery bike?

Where does everything go when we are done with them? In the trash. Recyle? It's amazing what we are doing today.

Yeah......Italy is truly a world leader......in what, we don't know......but that boat looks cute...

Meanwhile, the U.S. protects europe, Asia, and provides advanced tech and medical innovation for the world.....

You go girl...

I miss you Republicans back when you were at least pushing for more nuclear power. What happened to that? Are you hell bent on keeping the coal and gas business' going? Lobbyists? Votes?

I wish I could say I miss the days the Left cared about the environment. But there’s never been one of those days. Your killing of nuclear energy proves my point.

 

[sealybobo]

...

With higher population densities, we see more car traffic, urban pollution, and viral infections ... .

What we have actually seen in the real world is improved gas mileage and reduced emissions from cars over the past several decades, and increased use of public transportation. I already gave you an example of how urban pollution was worse over 100 years ago. As for viral infections, I gave you the most famous example, but we can look at the Bubonic Plague in comparison with 1918, 1957, 1959, 1965, etc. to see that viruses have always existed and over time our ability to mitigate the effects of them even in the face of a growing population has also improved over time. All of the things you want to point to as "proof" of so-called overpopulation are things that have always existed, but our ability to deal with them has NEVER been better than it is now with the highest population in history. There simply is NO 'overpopulation.' Even at that, as you have been told several times now, we are moving toward a global population decline in any case.

“Overpopulation” is a RELATIVE term.
This thread’s title asks our opinion.
In some places, outside large urban areas, there is little “overpopulation”, But in many other areas of this planet, there is undisputed overpopulation.
I know; I have traveled myself to India, China, Indonesia, etc. Have you?
.

Yes. You still fail.

The human species will fail Earth if it keeps screwing with Mother Nature.
.

David Attenborough Says Climate Change Is A ‘Crime’ Humanity Has Inflicted On The Planet

The documentarian reiterated his grief that society has destroyed large swaths of the natural world, but said humanity is “not beyond redemption.”

www.huffpost.com

Unkotare is smarter than David Attenborough

“Well, a crime has been committed,” Attenborough, 95, replied. “And it so happens that, I’m of such an age, that I was able to see it beginning.”
“It isn’t that I enjoy saying: ‘Doom, doom, doom,’” he continued. “On the contrary, I’d much rather [say]: ‘Enjoy, take thrill, excitement, pleasure, joy, joy, joy, joy.’ But if you’ve got any sense of responsibility, you can’t do that.”

The documentarian’s comments come amid ongoing and increasingly dire warnings from the planet’s scientists that climate change is largely continuing unabated. A report released last month by the Environmental Protection Agency detailed a disturbing shift in the United States caused by a warming world: The destruction of permafrost in Alaska, a spike in heat waves nationwide and longer-lasting wildfire and pollen season.

In his book and documentary, Attenborough pointed to existing technology that could help greatly alleviate the threat of climate change, primarily an immediate shift away from fossil fuels and an effort to “rewild” large tracts of the planet, giving the natural world time to recover.
The threat, he concluded, has grown so large as to be beyond the burden of any one nation.
“I would say that the time has come to put aside national ambitions and look for an international ambition of survival,” he said. He later added: “What good does it do to say, “Oh, to hell with it, I don’t care.’ You can’t say that. Not if … you love your children. Not if you love the rest of human― how can you say that?”

A. The world is far from being overpopulated. You can fit the entire world population in Texas and give ever family a quarter of an acre home.

B. Only science deniers think the climate of today is optimum and believe that for the first time since time began the climate must stop changing.

Some like to assert that everybody on Earth could be fit into the State of Texas, using logic as follows. The area of Texas is about 262,000 mi2. Dividing this figure by the current human population of 7 billion leaves each person with less than 100 square meters, a small plot the size of a big room about 10 m x 10 m.

One third of Earth's surface is desert which supports very few people.

Without going into the fact that almost half the State is desert, notice we have not allowed for any roads, shopping malls, schools, hospitals, football stadiums, prisons, sewage plants, rivers, lakes, reservoirs, golf courses, parks, and what else? How much land does it take to support a human being?

Right now China, USA, Mexico, India, Europe, Canada, Australia, are all putting up too many toxic fumes. We need to stop. We are destroying the planet. THat's the scientific consensus.

Math rule #1: don’t mix units of measurement.
Assumption: 7.6B population
Texas = 268,820 sq miles = 7,494,271,488,000 sq ft

That means ever human on earth could live in Texas and have 3,944 sq ft. Family of 4 gives them .09 acres, which is standard suburban lot size.

As far as climates, many people live in deserts by choice. Most of the planet is covered by water and a third of our underground is filled with water. Much of the earth is covered in ice. Assuming that melts, we gain livable land.

For anyone who travels, they know the earth is far from being overpopulated.

Yea that's why cities out west want to take our great lakes water and we say no because once the water goes there it never comes back.

It's funny you cons refuse to admit this planet is fucked up. Too many of us. And yet at the same time you don't want to let any immigrants into the country because you know there are too many of us.

 

[sealybobo]

...

With higher population densities, we see more car traffic, urban pollution, and viral infections ... .

What we have actually seen in the real world is improved gas mileage and reduced emissions from cars over the past several decades, and increased use of public transportation. I already gave you an example of how urban pollution was worse over 100 years ago. As for viral infections, I gave you the most famous example, but we can look at the Bubonic Plague in comparison with 1918, 1957, 1959, 1965, etc. to see that viruses have always existed and over time our ability to mitigate the effects of them even in the face of a growing population has also improved over time. All of the things you want to point to as "proof" of so-called overpopulation are things that have always existed, but our ability to deal with them has NEVER been better than it is now with the highest population in history. There simply is NO 'overpopulation.' Even at that, as you have been told several times now, we are moving toward a global population decline in any case.

“Overpopulation” is a RELATIVE term.
This thread’s title asks our opinion.
In some places, outside large urban areas, there is little “overpopulation”, But in many other areas of this planet, there is undisputed overpopulation.
I know; I have traveled myself to India, China, Indonesia, etc. Have you?
.

Yes. You still fail.

The human species will fail Earth if it keeps screwing with Mother Nature.
.

David Attenborough Says Climate Change Is A ‘Crime’ Humanity Has Inflicted On The Planet

The documentarian reiterated his grief that society has destroyed large swaths of the natural world, but said humanity is “not beyond redemption.”

www.huffpost.com

Unkotare is smarter than David Attenborough

“Well, a crime has been committed,” Attenborough, 95, replied. “And it so happens that, I’m of such an age, that I was able to see it beginning.”
“It isn’t that I enjoy saying: ‘Doom, doom, doom,’” he continued. “On the contrary, I’d much rather [say]: ‘Enjoy, take thrill, excitement, pleasure, joy, joy, joy, joy.’ But if you’ve got any sense of responsibility, you can’t do that.”

The documentarian’s comments come amid ongoing and increasingly dire warnings from the planet’s scientists that climate change is largely continuing unabated. A report released last month by the Environmental Protection Agency detailed a disturbing shift in the United States caused by a warming world: The destruction of permafrost in Alaska, a spike in heat waves nationwide and longer-lasting wildfire and pollen season.

In his book and documentary, Attenborough pointed to existing technology that could help greatly alleviate the threat of climate change, primarily an immediate shift away from fossil fuels and an effort to “rewild” large tracts of the planet, giving the natural world time to recover.
The threat, he concluded, has grown so large as to be beyond the burden of any one nation.
“I would say that the time has come to put aside national ambitions and look for an international ambition of survival,” he said. He later added: “What good does it do to say, “Oh, to hell with it, I don’t care.’ You can’t say that. Not if … you love your children. Not if you love the rest of human― how can you say that?”

Yeah....China is about to experience a rapid decline in population so much so they have lifted their one child policy and now want 3......

Climate change is a scam....the planet changes climate without any help......and anyone who is telling you to give them money and power to save the planet is selling you BS....

Bullshit. And the ocean is a toilet bowl.

But, these Green companies will be the new industries. I have a battery powered bike. My girlfriend just bought a home and purchased a battery powered lawn mower.

We need to pay taxes to hire people to go clean out the oceans of all the plastic you stupid conservatives are really ignorant.

lol batteries are toxic where do you think they go when used up?

Nonsense. Venice is moving to battery boats. Clean up the air, water and noise pollution.

View attachment 498293
Don't hate.

You think it'd be better for me to be riding around on a gas powered moped than my battery bike?

Where does everything go when we are done with them? In the trash. Recyle? It's amazing what we are doing today.

Yeah......Italy is truly a world leader......in what, we don't know......but that boat looks cute...

Meanwhile, the U.S. protects europe, Asia, and provides advanced tech and medical innovation for the world.....

You go girl...

I miss you Republicans back when you were at least pushing for more nuclear power. What happened to that? Are you hell bent on keeping the coal and gas business' going? Lobbyists? Votes?

I wish I could say I miss the days the Left cared about the environment. But there’s never been one of those days. Your killing of nuclear energy proves my point.

Well it doesn't sound safe does it to you?

Instead of plastic straws we want to move to bio degradable paper straws and you guys fight us. You love plastic coal and gas why?

 

[sealybobo]

...

With higher population densities, we see more car traffic, urban pollution, and viral infections ... .

What we have actually seen in the real world is improved gas mileage and reduced emissions from cars over the past several decades, and increased use of public transportation. I already gave you an example of how urban pollution was worse over 100 years ago. As for viral infections, I gave you the most famous example, but we can look at the Bubonic Plague in comparison with 1918, 1957, 1959, 1965, etc. to see that viruses have always existed and over time our ability to mitigate the effects of them even in the face of a growing population has also improved over time. All of the things you want to point to as "proof" of so-called overpopulation are things that have always existed, but our ability to deal with them has NEVER been better than it is now with the highest population in history. There simply is NO 'overpopulation.' Even at that, as you have been told several times now, we are moving toward a global population decline in any case.

“Overpopulation” is a RELATIVE term.
This thread’s title asks our opinion.
In some places, outside large urban areas, there is little “overpopulation”, But in many other areas of this planet, there is undisputed overpopulation.
I know; I have traveled myself to India, China, Indonesia, etc. Have you?
.

Yes. You still fail.

The human species will fail Earth if it keeps screwing with Mother Nature.
.

David Attenborough Says Climate Change Is A ‘Crime’ Humanity Has Inflicted On The Planet

The documentarian reiterated his grief that society has destroyed large swaths of the natural world, but said humanity is “not beyond redemption.”

www.huffpost.com

Unkotare is smarter than David Attenborough

“Well, a crime has been committed,” Attenborough, 95, replied. “And it so happens that, I’m of such an age, that I was able to see it beginning.”
“It isn’t that I enjoy saying: ‘Doom, doom, doom,’” he continued. “On the contrary, I’d much rather [say]: ‘Enjoy, take thrill, excitement, pleasure, joy, joy, joy, joy.’ But if you’ve got any sense of responsibility, you can’t do that.”

The documentarian’s comments come amid ongoing and increasingly dire warnings from the planet’s scientists that climate change is largely continuing unabated. A report released last month by the Environmental Protection Agency detailed a disturbing shift in the United States caused by a warming world: The destruction of permafrost in Alaska, a spike in heat waves nationwide and longer-lasting wildfire and pollen season.

In his book and documentary, Attenborough pointed to existing technology that could help greatly alleviate the threat of climate change, primarily an immediate shift away from fossil fuels and an effort to “rewild” large tracts of the planet, giving the natural world time to recover.
The threat, he concluded, has grown so large as to be beyond the burden of any one nation.
“I would say that the time has come to put aside national ambitions and look for an international ambition of survival,” he said. He later added: “What good does it do to say, “Oh, to hell with it, I don’t care.’ You can’t say that. Not if … you love your children. Not if you love the rest of human― how can you say that?”

Yeah....China is about to experience a rapid decline in population so much so they have lifted their one child policy and now want 3......

Climate change is a scam....the planet changes climate without any help......and anyone who is telling you to give them money and power to save the planet is selling you BS....

Bullshit. And the ocean is a toilet bowl.

But, these Green companies will be the new industries. I have a battery powered bike. My girlfriend just bought a home and purchased a battery powered lawn mower.

We need to pay taxes to hire people to go clean out the oceans of all the plastic you stupid conservatives are really ignorant.

lol batteries are toxic where do you think they go when used up?

Nonsense. Venice is moving to battery boats. Clean up the air, water and noise pollution.

View attachment 498293
Don't hate.

You think it'd be better for me to be riding around on a gas powered moped than my battery bike?

Where does everything go when we are done with them? In the trash. Recyle? It's amazing what we are doing today.

Yeah......Italy is truly a world leader......in what, we don't know......but that boat looks cute...

Meanwhile, the U.S. protects europe, Asia, and provides advanced tech and medical innovation for the world.....

You go girl...

I miss you Republicans back when you were at least pushing for more nuclear power. What happened to that? Are you hell bent on keeping the coal and gas business' going? Lobbyists? Votes?

I wish I could say I miss the days the Left cared about the environment. But there’s never been one of those days. Your killing of nuclear energy proves my point.

And you hate windmills, batteries and solar panels. Why? Why are you guys always against going green?

 

[Weatherman2020]

...

With higher population densities, we see more car traffic, urban pollution, and viral infections ... .

What we have actually seen in the real world is improved gas mileage and reduced emissions from cars over the past several decades, and increased use of public transportation. I already gave you an example of how urban pollution was worse over 100 years ago. As for viral infections, I gave you the most famous example, but we can look at the Bubonic Plague in comparison with 1918, 1957, 1959, 1965, etc. to see that viruses have always existed and over time our ability to mitigate the effects of them even in the face of a growing population has also improved over time. All of the things you want to point to as "proof" of so-called overpopulation are things that have always existed, but our ability to deal with them has NEVER been better than it is now with the highest population in history. There simply is NO 'overpopulation.' Even at that, as you have been told several times now, we are moving toward a global population decline in any case.

“Overpopulation” is a RELATIVE term.
This thread’s title asks our opinion.
In some places, outside large urban areas, there is little “overpopulation”, But in many other areas of this planet, there is undisputed overpopulation.
I know; I have traveled myself to India, China, Indonesia, etc. Have you?
.

Yes. You still fail.

The human species will fail Earth if it keeps screwing with Mother Nature.
.

David Attenborough Says Climate Change Is A ‘Crime’ Humanity Has Inflicted On The Planet

The documentarian reiterated his grief that society has destroyed large swaths of the natural world, but said humanity is “not beyond redemption.”

www.huffpost.com

Unkotare is smarter than David Attenborough

“Well, a crime has been committed,” Attenborough, 95, replied. “And it so happens that, I’m of such an age, that I was able to see it beginning.”
“It isn’t that I enjoy saying: ‘Doom, doom, doom,’” he continued. “On the contrary, I’d much rather [say]: ‘Enjoy, take thrill, excitement, pleasure, joy, joy, joy, joy.’ But if you’ve got any sense of responsibility, you can’t do that.”

The documentarian’s comments come amid ongoing and increasingly dire warnings from the planet’s scientists that climate change is largely continuing unabated. A report released last month by the Environmental Protection Agency detailed a disturbing shift in the United States caused by a warming world: The destruction of permafrost in Alaska, a spike in heat waves nationwide and longer-lasting wildfire and pollen season.

In his book and documentary, Attenborough pointed to existing technology that could help greatly alleviate the threat of climate change, primarily an immediate shift away from fossil fuels and an effort to “rewild” large tracts of the planet, giving the natural world time to recover.
The threat, he concluded, has grown so large as to be beyond the burden of any one nation.
“I would say that the time has come to put aside national ambitions and look for an international ambition of survival,” he said. He later added: “What good does it do to say, “Oh, to hell with it, I don’t care.’ You can’t say that. Not if … you love your children. Not if you love the rest of human― how can you say that?”

Yeah....China is about to experience a rapid decline in population so much so they have lifted their one child policy and now want 3......

Climate change is a scam....the planet changes climate without any help......and anyone who is telling you to give them money and power to save the planet is selling you BS....

Bullshit. And the ocean is a toilet bowl.

But, these Green companies will be the new industries. I have a battery powered bike. My girlfriend just bought a home and purchased a battery powered lawn mower.

We need to pay taxes to hire people to go clean out the oceans of all the plastic you stupid conservatives are really ignorant.

lol batteries are toxic where do you think they go when used up?

Nonsense. Venice is moving to battery boats. Clean up the air, water and noise pollution.

View attachment 498293
Don't hate.

You think it'd be better for me to be riding around on a gas powered moped than my battery bike?

Where does everything go when we are done with them? In the trash. Recyle? It's amazing what we are doing today.

Yeah......Italy is truly a world leader......in what, we don't know......but that boat looks cute...

Meanwhile, the U.S. protects europe, Asia, and provides advanced tech and medical innovation for the world.....

You go girl...

I miss you Republicans back when you were at least pushing for more nuclear power. What happened to that? Are you hell bent on keeping the coal and gas business' going? Lobbyists? Votes?

I wish I could say I miss the days the Left cared about the environment. But there’s never been one of those days. Your killing of nuclear energy proves my point.

And you hate windmills, batteries and solar panels. Why? Why are you guys always against going green?

I installed and owned solar panels on my last home. Only because I knew I had fossil fueled electricity as a backup.
Keep trying more lies to attack me.

 

[Weatherman2020]

...

With higher population densities, we see more car traffic, urban pollution, and viral infections ... .

What we have actually seen in the real world is improved gas mileage and reduced emissions from cars over the past several decades, and increased use of public transportation. I already gave you an example of how urban pollution was worse over 100 years ago. As for viral infections, I gave you the most famous example, but we can look at the Bubonic Plague in comparison with 1918, 1957, 1959, 1965, etc. to see that viruses have always existed and over time our ability to mitigate the effects of them even in the face of a growing population has also improved over time. All of the things you want to point to as "proof" of so-called overpopulation are things that have always existed, but our ability to deal with them has NEVER been better than it is now with the highest population in history. There simply is NO 'overpopulation.' Even at that, as you have been told several times now, we are moving toward a global population decline in any case.

“Overpopulation” is a RELATIVE term.
This thread’s title asks our opinion.
In some places, outside large urban areas, there is little “overpopulation”, But in many other areas of this planet, there is undisputed overpopulation.
I know; I have traveled myself to India, China, Indonesia, etc. Have you?
.

Yes. You still fail.

The human species will fail Earth if it keeps screwing with Mother Nature.
.

David Attenborough Says Climate Change Is A ‘Crime’ Humanity Has Inflicted On The Planet

The documentarian reiterated his grief that society has destroyed large swaths of the natural world, but said humanity is “not beyond redemption.”

www.huffpost.com

Unkotare is smarter than David Attenborough

“Well, a crime has been committed,” Attenborough, 95, replied. “And it so happens that, I’m of such an age, that I was able to see it beginning.”
“It isn’t that I enjoy saying: ‘Doom, doom, doom,’” he continued. “On the contrary, I’d much rather [say]: ‘Enjoy, take thrill, excitement, pleasure, joy, joy, joy, joy.’ But if you’ve got any sense of responsibility, you can’t do that.”

The documentarian’s comments come amid ongoing and increasingly dire warnings from the planet’s scientists that climate change is largely continuing unabated. A report released last month by the Environmental Protection Agency detailed a disturbing shift in the United States caused by a warming world: The destruction of permafrost in Alaska, a spike in heat waves nationwide and longer-lasting wildfire and pollen season.

In his book and documentary, Attenborough pointed to existing technology that could help greatly alleviate the threat of climate change, primarily an immediate shift away from fossil fuels and an effort to “rewild” large tracts of the planet, giving the natural world time to recover.
The threat, he concluded, has grown so large as to be beyond the burden of any one nation.
“I would say that the time has come to put aside national ambitions and look for an international ambition of survival,” he said. He later added: “What good does it do to say, “Oh, to hell with it, I don’t care.’ You can’t say that. Not if … you love your children. Not if you love the rest of human― how can you say that?”

Yeah....China is about to experience a rapid decline in population so much so they have lifted their one child policy and now want 3......

Climate change is a scam....the planet changes climate without any help......and anyone who is telling you to give them money and power to save the planet is selling you BS....

Bullshit. And the ocean is a toilet bowl.

But, these Green companies will be the new industries. I have a battery powered bike. My girlfriend just bought a home and purchased a battery powered lawn mower.

We need to pay taxes to hire people to go clean out the oceans of all the plastic you stupid conservatives are really ignorant.

lol batteries are toxic where do you think they go when used up?

Nonsense. Venice is moving to battery boats. Clean up the air, water and noise pollution.

View attachment 498293
Don't hate.

You think it'd be better for me to be riding around on a gas powered moped than my battery bike?

Where does everything go when we are done with them? In the trash. Recyle? It's amazing what we are doing today.

Yeah......Italy is truly a world leader......in what, we don't know......but that boat looks cute...

Meanwhile, the U.S. protects europe, Asia, and provides advanced tech and medical innovation for the world.....

You go girl...

I miss you Republicans back when you were at least pushing for more nuclear power. What happened to that? Are you hell bent on keeping the coal and gas business' going? Lobbyists? Votes?

I wish I could say I miss the days the Left cared about the environment. But there’s never been one of those days. Your killing of nuclear energy proves my point.

Well it doesn't sound safe does it to you?

Instead of plastic straws we want to move to bio degradable paper straws and you guys fight us. You love plastic coal and gas why?

Yeah, great move! Chop down trees for grocery bags and straws!

 

[2aguy]

...

With higher population densities, we see more car traffic, urban pollution, and viral infections ... .

What we have actually seen in the real world is improved gas mileage and reduced emissions from cars over the past several decades, and increased use of public transportation. I already gave you an example of how urban pollution was worse over 100 years ago. As for viral infections, I gave you the most famous example, but we can look at the Bubonic Plague in comparison with 1918, 1957, 1959, 1965, etc. to see that viruses have always existed and over time our ability to mitigate the effects of them even in the face of a growing population has also improved over time. All of the things you want to point to as "proof" of so-called overpopulation are things that have always existed, but our ability to deal with them has NEVER been better than it is now with the highest population in history. There simply is NO 'overpopulation.' Even at that, as you have been told several times now, we are moving toward a global population decline in any case.

“Overpopulation” is a RELATIVE term.
This thread’s title asks our opinion.
In some places, outside large urban areas, there is little “overpopulation”, But in many other areas of this planet, there is undisputed overpopulation.
I know; I have traveled myself to India, China, Indonesia, etc. Have you?
.

Yes. You still fail.

The human species will fail Earth if it keeps screwing with Mother Nature.
.

David Attenborough Says Climate Change Is A ‘Crime’ Humanity Has Inflicted On The Planet

The documentarian reiterated his grief that society has destroyed large swaths of the natural world, but said humanity is “not beyond redemption.”

www.huffpost.com

Unkotare is smarter than David Attenborough

“Well, a crime has been committed,” Attenborough, 95, replied. “And it so happens that, I’m of such an age, that I was able to see it beginning.”
“It isn’t that I enjoy saying: ‘Doom, doom, doom,’” he continued. “On the contrary, I’d much rather [say]: ‘Enjoy, take thrill, excitement, pleasure, joy, joy, joy, joy.’ But if you’ve got any sense of responsibility, you can’t do that.”

The documentarian’s comments come amid ongoing and increasingly dire warnings from the planet’s scientists that climate change is largely continuing unabated. A report released last month by the Environmental Protection Agency detailed a disturbing shift in the United States caused by a warming world: The destruction of permafrost in Alaska, a spike in heat waves nationwide and longer-lasting wildfire and pollen season.

In his book and documentary, Attenborough pointed to existing technology that could help greatly alleviate the threat of climate change, primarily an immediate shift away from fossil fuels and an effort to “rewild” large tracts of the planet, giving the natural world time to recover.
The threat, he concluded, has grown so large as to be beyond the burden of any one nation.
“I would say that the time has come to put aside national ambitions and look for an international ambition of survival,” he said. He later added: “What good does it do to say, “Oh, to hell with it, I don’t care.’ You can’t say that. Not if … you love your children. Not if you love the rest of human― how can you say that?”

A. The world is far from being overpopulated. You can fit the entire world population in Texas and give ever family a quarter of an acre home.

B. Only science deniers think the climate of today is optimum and believe that for the first time since time began the climate must stop changing.

Some like to assert that everybody on Earth could be fit into the State of Texas, using logic as follows. The area of Texas is about 262,000 mi2. Dividing this figure by the current human population of 7 billion leaves each person with less than 100 square meters, a small plot the size of a big room about 10 m x 10 m.

One third of Earth's surface is desert which supports very few people.

Without going into the fact that almost half the State is desert, notice we have not allowed for any roads, shopping malls, schools, hospitals, football stadiums, prisons, sewage plants, rivers, lakes, reservoirs, golf courses, parks, and what else? How much land does it take to support a human being?

Right now China, USA, Mexico, India, Europe, Canada, Australia, are all putting up too many toxic fumes. We need to stop. We are destroying the planet. THat's the scientific consensus.

Math rule #1: don’t mix units of measurement.
Assumption: 7.6B population
Texas = 268,820 sq miles = 7,494,271,488,000 sq ft

That means ever human on earth could live in Texas and have 3,944 sq ft. Family of 4 gives them .09 acres, which is standard suburban lot size.

As far as climates, many people live in deserts by choice. Most of the planet is covered by water and a third of our underground is filled with water. Much of the earth is covered in ice. Assuming that melts, we gain livable land.

For anyone who travels, they know the earth is far from being overpopulated.

Yea that's why cities out west want to take our great lakes water and we say no because once the water goes there it never comes back.

It's funny you cons refuse to admit this planet is fucked up. Too many of us. And yet at the same time you don't want to let any immigrants into the country because you know there are too many of us.

No....we don't want illegal aliens into the country because we have laws that have to be followed to become citizens....too many people at one time and they do not assimilate American values, and then their crappy values from the hell holes they are fleeing become the policies of the democrat party.....

If they follow the law, enter legally, assimilate and love this country they are more than welcome to come in to this country...you doofus...

 

[2aguy]

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With higher population densities, we see more car traffic, urban pollution, and viral infections ... .

What we have actually seen in the real world is improved gas mileage and reduced emissions from cars over the past several decades, and increased use of public transportation. I already gave you an example of how urban pollution was worse over 100 years ago. As for viral infections, I gave you the most famous example, but we can look at the Bubonic Plague in comparison with 1918, 1957, 1959, 1965, etc. to see that viruses have always existed and over time our ability to mitigate the effects of them even in the face of a growing population has also improved over time. All of the things you want to point to as "proof" of so-called overpopulation are things that have always existed, but our ability to deal with them has NEVER been better than it is now with the highest population in history. There simply is NO 'overpopulation.' Even at that, as you have been told several times now, we are moving toward a global population decline in any case.

“Overpopulation” is a RELATIVE term.
This thread’s title asks our opinion.
In some places, outside large urban areas, there is little “overpopulation”, But in many other areas of this planet, there is undisputed overpopulation.
I know; I have traveled myself to India, China, Indonesia, etc. Have you?
.

Yes. You still fail.

The human species will fail Earth if it keeps screwing with Mother Nature.
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David Attenborough Says Climate Change Is A ‘Crime’ Humanity Has Inflicted On The Planet

The documentarian reiterated his grief that society has destroyed large swaths of the natural world, but said humanity is “not beyond redemption.”

www.huffpost.com

Unkotare is smarter than David Attenborough

“Well, a crime has been committed,” Attenborough, 95, replied. “And it so happens that, I’m of such an age, that I was able to see it beginning.”
“It isn’t that I enjoy saying: ‘Doom, doom, doom,’” he continued. “On the contrary, I’d much rather [say]: ‘Enjoy, take thrill, excitement, pleasure, joy, joy, joy, joy.’ But if you’ve got any sense of responsibility, you can’t do that.”

The documentarian’s comments come amid ongoing and increasingly dire warnings from the planet’s scientists that climate change is largely continuing unabated. A report released last month by the Environmental Protection Agency detailed a disturbing shift in the United States caused by a warming world: The destruction of permafrost in Alaska, a spike in heat waves nationwide and longer-lasting wildfire and pollen season.

In his book and documentary, Attenborough pointed to existing technology that could help greatly alleviate the threat of climate change, primarily an immediate shift away from fossil fuels and an effort to “rewild” large tracts of the planet, giving the natural world time to recover.
The threat, he concluded, has grown so large as to be beyond the burden of any one nation.
“I would say that the time has come to put aside national ambitions and look for an international ambition of survival,” he said. He later added: “What good does it do to say, “Oh, to hell with it, I don’t care.’ You can’t say that. Not if … you love your children. Not if you love the rest of human― how can you say that?”

Yeah....China is about to experience a rapid decline in population so much so they have lifted their one child policy and now want 3......

Climate change is a scam....the planet changes climate without any help......and anyone who is telling you to give them money and power to save the planet is selling you BS....

Bullshit. And the ocean is a toilet bowl.

But, these Green companies will be the new industries. I have a battery powered bike. My girlfriend just bought a home and purchased a battery powered lawn mower.

We need to pay taxes to hire people to go clean out the oceans of all the plastic you stupid conservatives are really ignorant.

lol batteries are toxic where do you think they go when used up?

Nonsense. Venice is moving to battery boats. Clean up the air, water and noise pollution.

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Don't hate.

You think it'd be better for me to be riding around on a gas powered moped than my battery bike?

Where does everything go when we are done with them? In the trash. Recyle? It's amazing what we are doing today.

Yeah......Italy is truly a world leader......in what, we don't know......but that boat looks cute...

Meanwhile, the U.S. protects europe, Asia, and provides advanced tech and medical innovation for the world.....

You go girl...

I miss you Republicans back when you were at least pushing for more nuclear power. What happened to that? Are you hell bent on keeping the coal and gas business' going? Lobbyists? Votes?

I wish I could say I miss the days the Left cared about the environment. But there’s never been one of those days. Your killing of nuclear energy proves my point.

And you hate windmills, batteries and solar panels. Why? Why are you guys always against going green?

Because windmills and solar panels don't work ......... you need fossil fuels to make sure when the windmills and solar fails......look at Texas last winter....that the fossil fuels will provide the energy you need...wind and solar completely failed......and take up too much room.

 

[Rigby5]

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With higher population densities, we see more car traffic, urban pollution, and viral infections ... .

What we have actually seen in the real world is improved gas mileage and reduced emissions from cars over the past several decades, and increased use of public transportation. I already gave you an example of how urban pollution was worse over 100 years ago. As for viral infections, I gave you the most famous example, but we can look at the Bubonic Plague in comparison with 1918, 1957, 1959, 1965, etc. to see that viruses have always existed and over time our ability to mitigate the effects of them even in the face of a growing population has also improved over time. All of the things you want to point to as "proof" of so-called overpopulation are things that have always existed, but our ability to deal with them has NEVER been better than it is now with the highest population in history. There simply is NO 'overpopulation.' Even at that, as you have been told several times now, we are moving toward a global population decline in any case.

You make some good points in that improved technology can reduce emissions, take less space, make medical breakthroughs, etc.
However, there are 2 main reasons you are wrong.

One is that which made Malthus wrong was all fossil fuel based, and that is going to run out.
Fossil fuels powered the miracle that created the fertilizers that increased farming production by more than a factor of 4, and allow such wider food distribution that our grocery store have fresh produce from all over the world.
Solar and wind are awful because then you need some means of energy storage.
Fission and fusion are not sustainable either, since we have limited fissile material and will produce lots of radioactive wastes.
There is no energy solution I know of, and no one has suggested one.

The other is that there are many limits to how much of the earth we have to leave alone. Not only are we dependent upon things like birds to eat insects and pollinators, but the oxygen we breath itself has to be regenerated on about a 200 year cycle. We dump lots of wastes into the ocean, and eventually that has to bite us as well. And we need a lot more trees. They not only produce oxygen, but reduce erosion, provide habitat, create shade, and change weather. There is so much we do not even know about or take for granted. Even fresh water could well become a limiting resource very soon.

It would be a contradiction to assume that improving techniques, technology, and a declining global population can’t mitigate the above.

Sure, a declining population especially.
Unfortunately, it is a biological instinct for species to increase population if under any sort of stress, so "Soylent Green" is more likely.

 

[Rigby5]

We could put more infrastructure underground to free up green space.

That is likely a very good idea.
They say places with sky scrapers are awful and people are all afflicted with Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD).
It may even be cheaper to build down instead of up, because it need less strength.

 

[Unkotare]

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Sure, a declining population especially.
Unfortunately, it is a biological instinct for species to increase population if under any sort of stress, .....

Instinct or not, the wheels are in motion. A global population decline is coming. Just a matter of time.

 

[Unkotare]

...

With higher population densities, we see more car traffic, urban pollution, and viral infections ... .

What we have actually seen in the real world is improved gas mileage and reduced emissions from cars over the past several decades, and increased use of public transportation. I already gave you an example of how urban pollution was worse over 100 years ago. As for viral infections, I gave you the most famous example, but we can look at the Bubonic Plague in comparison with 1918, 1957, 1959, 1965, etc. to see that viruses have always existed and over time our ability to mitigate the effects of them even in the face of a growing population has also improved over time. All of the things you want to point to as "proof" of so-called overpopulation are things that have always existed, but our ability to deal with them has NEVER been better than it is now with the highest population in history. There simply is NO 'overpopulation.' Even at that, as you have been told several times now, we are moving toward a global population decline in any case.

“Overpopulation” is a RELATIVE term.
This thread’s title asks our opinion.
In some places, outside large urban areas, there is little “overpopulation”, But in many other areas of this planet, there is undisputed overpopulation.
I know; I have traveled myself to India, China, Indonesia, etc. Have you?
.

Yes. You still fail.

The human species will fail Earth if it keeps screwing with Mother Nature.
.

David Attenborough Says Climate Change Is A ‘Crime’ Humanity Has Inflicted On The Planet

The documentarian reiterated his grief that society has destroyed large swaths of the natural world, but said humanity is “not beyond redemption.”

www.huffpost.com

Unkotare is smarter than David Attenborough

“Well, a crime has been committed,” Attenborough, 95, replied. “And it so happens that, I’m of such an age, that I was able to see it beginning.”
“It isn’t that I enjoy saying: ‘Doom, doom, doom,’” he continued. “On the contrary, I’d much rather [say]: ‘Enjoy, take thrill, excitement, pleasure, joy, joy, joy, joy.’ But if you’ve got any sense of responsibility, you can’t do that.”

The documentarian’s comments come amid ongoing and increasingly dire warnings from the planet’s scientists that climate change is largely continuing unabated. A report released last month by the Environmental Protection Agency detailed a disturbing shift in the United States caused by a warming world: The destruction of permafrost in Alaska, a spike in heat waves nationwide and longer-lasting wildfire and pollen season.

In his book and documentary, Attenborough pointed to existing technology that could help greatly alleviate the threat of climate change, primarily an immediate shift away from fossil fuels and an effort to “rewild” large tracts of the planet, giving the natural world time to recover.
The threat, he concluded, has grown so large as to be beyond the burden of any one nation.
“I would say that the time has come to put aside national ambitions and look for an international ambition of survival,” he said. He later added: “What good does it do to say, “Oh, to hell with it, I don’t care.’ You can’t say that. Not if … you love your children. Not if you love the rest of human― how can you say that?”

Yeah....China is about to experience a rapid decline in population so much so they have lifted their one child policy and now want 3......

Climate change is a scam....the planet changes climate without any help......and anyone who is telling you to give them money and power to save the planet is selling you BS....

Bullshit. And the ocean is a toilet bowl.

But, these Green companies will be the new industries. I have a battery powered bike. My girlfriend just bought a home and purchased a battery powered lawn mower.

We need to pay taxes to hire people to go clean out the oceans of all the plastic you stupid conservatives are really ignorant.

lol batteries are toxic where do you think they go when used up?

Nonsense. Venice is moving to battery boats. Clean up the air, water and noise pollution.

View attachment 498293
Don't hate.

You think it'd be better for me to be riding around on a gas powered moped than my battery bike?

Where does everything go when we are done with them? In the trash. Recyle? It's amazing what we are doing today.

Yeah......Italy is truly a world leader......in what, we don't know......but that boat looks cute...

Meanwhile, the U.S. protects europe, Asia, and provides advanced tech and medical innovation for the world.....

You go girl...

I miss you Republicans back when you were at least pushing for more nuclear power. What happened to that? Are you hell bent on keeping the coal and gas business' going? Lobbyists? Votes?

I wish I could say I miss the days the Left cared about the environment. But there’s never been one of those days. Your killing of nuclear energy proves my point.

And you hate windmills, batteries and solar panels. Why? Why are you guys always against going green?

I installed and owned solar panels on my last home. Only because I knew I had fossil fueled electricity as a backup.
Keep trying more lies to attack me.

It's his only approach to discourse. He guesses/imagines/lies then tries to pretend his responding to his own strawman is a valid 'argument.' Doesn't even realize he's doing it most of the time. He's just plain stupid.