Do You Consider the Destruction of Israel a "Personal Tragedy?"

[Hossfly]

Syrians and other Muslims aren't burning children to death in your neighborhoods, are they Hossie? What percentage of Muslim human rights violations are perpetrated by US-backed puppets following instructions from DC? Saudi Arabia and Bahrain come to mind.

There is only one country on this planet that murders, maims, incarcerates, and displaces millions of innocent Muslims thousands of miles from its homeland. When are you going to protest the crimes committed by your own government?

Which country is the greatest purveyor of violence in this world?

It is quite obvious, Tinmore, that you have been blind to what is happening in the Muslim world. I would suggest that you read some on-line news sources that cover what actually is going on because you keep on making yourself look like such a fool. Was it the U.S. that told the Muslims to murder over 2 million Christians in the Sudan? Was it the U.S. who told the Muslims to murder 3 million people (mainly Hindus) in Bangladesh? Was it the U.S. who told the Muslims to murder millions of Christians in Nigeria? Was it the U.S. who told the Arab Muslims to go after the Black Muslims in Darfur which caused 300,000 of them to perish, women to be raped, and those women who managed to escape to live in tents in refugee camps in Chad? Is it the U.S. who is telling the Shiites and Sunnis to continue killing each other in places like Iraq and Pakistan? If you feel that this country is so terrible, nobody is really stopping your from packing your bags and moving to some Muslim country (maybe you are not even living here in the U.S.). You would fit in perfect there -- being the good Dhimwit that you are.

There is still only one country that's murdered millions of human beings thousands of miles from its homeland over the past 65 years. Why are you deflecting from that truth? Only a useful idiot or a rich bitch would focus first on the violence Muslims commit when living in the greatest purveyor of violence on this planet.

I wonder if Georgie can break it down for us and show us where the U.S. has killed millions. If you take Iraq, for example, most of the killings have been done by Iraqis themselves on fellow citizens and by Muslim insurgents who came into Iraq from other countries. However, it looks like Georgie doesn't like his own country *I wonder if he was a draft dodger) so would rather blame all the killings as done by Americans. Yessirree, Georgie himself is a Dhimwit and the radical Muslims love idiots like him.

 

[Wolverine1984]

George , so basically your argument is that Muslims killing Muslims is OK as long as the Americans kill more Muslims ?
The logic of this argument is kind of lame ...
Also I would like to see proof of Americans killing the most people in the last century.

 

[Hossfly]

Syrians and other Muslims aren't burning children to death in your neighborhoods, are they Hossie? What percentage of Muslim human rights violations are perpetrated by US-backed puppets following instructions from DC? Saudi Arabia and Bahrain come to mind.

There is only one country on this planet that murders, maims, incarcerates, and displaces millions of innocent Muslims thousands of miles from its homeland. When are you going to protest the crimes committed by your own government?

Which country is the greatest purveyor of violence in this world?

It is quite obvious, Tinmore, that you have been blind to what is happening in the Muslim world. I would suggest that you read some on-line news sources that cover what actually is going on because you keep on making yourself look like such a fool. Was it the U.S. that told the Muslims to murder over 2 million Christians in the Sudan? Was it the U.S. who told the Muslims to murder 3 million people (mainly Hindus) in Bangladesh? Was it the U.S. who told the Muslims to murder millions of Christians in Nigeria? Was it the U.S. who told the Arab Muslims to go after the Black Muslims in Darfur which caused 300,000 of them to perish, women to be raped, and those women who managed to escape to live in tents in refugee camps in Chad? Is it the U.S. who is telling the Shiites and Sunnis to continue killing each other in places like Iraq and Pakistan? If you feel that this country is so terrible, nobody is really stopping your from packing your bags and moving to some Muslim country (maybe you are not even living here in the U.S.). You would fit in perfect there -- being the good Dhimwit that you are.

It is hard to tell the roots of these problems. You have to dig deep to find the players and the payers. You have to follow the money. The MSM is notorious for not digging up this information. We are just mushrooms.

Is it the U.S. who is telling the Shiites and Sunnis to continue killing each other in places like Iraq and Pakistan?

I have seen several Iraqis interviewed on TV. When asked if they were Sunnis or Shiites they all had the same response. "Nobody ever asked that question before the US occupation." It was not an issue.

Hannan Asrawi, a Christian woman who is a popular leader in Palestine, states that religious labeling is a recent phenomenon. It was not an issue.

Hannan Aswari is fulla Shi'ite

Perhaps Tinmore should start educating himself on the history of the Shiites and Sunnis being at each other's throats since Islam originated. I think the Shiites in Pakistan could tell him a thing or two since they are the ones who always seem to be blown up by the Sunnis, such as the incident not too long ago when they were on a pilgramage for the Shiite holiday of Ashura. Shiite Versus Sunni

 

[P F Tinmore]

George , so basically your argument is that Muslims killing Muslims is OK as long as the Americans kill more Muslims ?
The logic of this argument is kind of lame ...
Also I would like to see proof of Americans killing the most people in the last century.

What about all those Christians killing Christians in Mexico or Columbia?

 

[Hossfly]

George , so basically your argument is that Muslims killing Muslims is OK as long as the Americans kill more Muslims ?
The logic of this argument is kind of lame ...
Also I would like to see proof of Americans killing the most people in the last century.

What about all those Christians killing Christians in Mexico or Columbia?

Christians ain't killing Christians because they're Christians. Unlike Mooslimes.

 

[DCJ]

Less than half of young US Jews in a 2007 poll answered that question with a "yes."

"The(2008) Gaza massacre provoked unprecedented opposition around the world -- in Britain, students occupied buildings in more than a dozen universities across the country -- but, as Finkelstein documents in the second part of the book, this opposition did not come out of the blue.

"Rather, it 'marked the nadir of a curve plotting a steady decline in support for Israel', not only in Europe, where Israel consistently ranks among the least popular states in the world, but also in the US.13

"Most strikingly, American Jews are becoming increasingly ambivalent or even hostile towards Israel, to the point where less than half of young American Jews polled in 2007 answered that they would consider the destruction of Israel a 'personal tragedy'"

]

Destruction is not defined- So I guess for the emotionally charged we are talking genocide or something.....

That is not the only alternative..... Including the nature of the state becoming more inclusive..........

They are turning off the world but as long as they have the "big satan" on their side, it don't matter much now does it..............

 

[Hossfly]

Less than half of young US Jews in a 2007 poll answered that question with a "yes."

"The(2008) Gaza massacre provoked unprecedented opposition around the world -- in Britain, students occupied buildings in more than a dozen universities across the country -- but, as Finkelstein documents in the second part of the book, this opposition did not come out of the blue.

"Rather, it 'marked the nadir of a curve plotting a steady decline in support for Israel', not only in Europe, where Israel consistently ranks among the least popular states in the world, but also in the US.13

"Most strikingly, American Jews are becoming increasingly ambivalent or even hostile towards Israel, to the point where less than half of young American Jews polled in 2007 answered that they would consider the destruction of Israel a 'personal tragedy'"

]

Destruction is not defined- So I guess for the emotionally charged we are talking genocide or something.....

That is not the only alternative..... Including the nature of the state becoming more inclusive..........

They are turning off the world but as long as they have the "big satan" on their side, it don't matter much now does it..............

It's a shame that the young Jews and many of the young of other religions listen to their Leftist college professors about how bad Israel and the United States are.. Meanwhile, in the main, much to the disgust of the anti-Semites, Americans support Israel. Take a good look at the polls. And of course being that America is so bad that is why people from all around the world would love to be able to immigrate here.

 

[DCJ]

Less than half of young US Jews in a 2007 poll answered that question with a "yes."

"The(2008) Gaza massacre provoked unprecedented opposition around the world -- in Britain, students occupied buildings in more than a dozen universities across the country -- but, as Finkelstein documents in the second part of the book, this opposition did not come out of the blue.

"Rather, it 'marked the nadir of a curve plotting a steady decline in support for Israel', not only in Europe, where Israel consistently ranks among the least popular states in the world, but also in the US.13

"Most strikingly, American Jews are becoming increasingly ambivalent or even hostile towards Israel, to the point where less than half of young American Jews polled in 2007 answered that they would consider the destruction of Israel a 'personal tragedy'"

]

Destruction is not defined- So I guess for the emotionally charged we are talking genocide or something.....

That is not the only alternative..... Including the nature of the state becoming more inclusive..........

They are turning off the world but as long as they have the "big satan" on their side, it don't matter much now does it..............

It's a shame that the young Jews and many of the young of other religions listen to their Leftist college professors about how bad Israel and the United States are.. Meanwhile, in the main, much to the disgust of the anti-Semites, Americans support Israel. Take a good look at the polls. And of course being that America is so bad that is why people from all around the world would love to be able to immigrate here.

Yea, of course, it is all someone else @ fault, the guVment turning into right wingWackO, MIC controlled paranoids has nothing to do w/ it (fat assed drama queen emoticon here)

 

[rhodescholar]

Perhaps Tinmore should start educating himself on the history of the Shiites and Sunnis being at each other's throats since Islam originated. I think the Shiites in Pakistan could tell him a thing or two since they are the ones who always seem to be blown up by the Sunnis, such as the incident not too long ago when they were on a pilgramage for the Shiite holiday of Ashura.

You're trying to use facts and reason with fucking idiots, some of whom are mentally ill. There's no point.

 

[georgephillip]

It is quite obvious, Tinmore, that you have been blind to what is happening in the Muslim world. I would suggest that you read some on-line news sources that cover what actually is going on because you keep on making yourself look like such a fool. Was it the U.S. that told the Muslims to murder over 2 million Christians in the Sudan? Was it the U.S. who told the Muslims to murder 3 million people (mainly Hindus) in Bangladesh? Was it the U.S. who told the Muslims to murder millions of Christians in Nigeria? Was it the U.S. who told the Arab Muslims to go after the Black Muslims in Darfur which caused 300,000 of them to perish, women to be raped, and those women who managed to escape to live in tents in refugee camps in Chad? Is it the U.S. who is telling the Shiites and Sunnis to continue killing each other in places like Iraq and Pakistan? If you feel that this country is so terrible, nobody is really stopping your from packing your bags and moving to some Muslim country (maybe you are not even living here in the U.S.). You would fit in perfect there -- being the good Dhimwit that you are.

There is still only one country that's murdered millions of human beings thousands of miles from its homeland over the past 65 years. Why are you deflecting from that truth? Only a useful idiot or a rich bitch would focus first on the violence Muslims commit when living in the greatest purveyor of violence on this planet.

I wonder if Georgie can break it down for us and show us where the U.S. has killed millions. If you take Iraq, for example, most of the killings have been done by Iraqis themselves on fellow citizens and by Muslim insurgents who came into Iraq from other countries. However, it looks like Georgie doesn't like his own country *I wonder if he was a draft dodger) so would rather blame all the killings as done by Americans. Yessirree, Georgie himself is a Dhimwit and the radical Muslims love idiots like him.

Leaving aside the ethnic cleansing of American Indians and starting with Hiroshima and Nagasaki:

"Within the first two to four months of the bombings, the acute effects killed 90,000–166,000 people in Hiroshima and 60,000–80,000 in Nagasaki, with roughly half of the deaths in each city occurring on the first day."

Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

These war crimes occurred after Japan privately conveyed a willingness to surrender with only one condition according to entries in Truman's diary. Harry also instigated the killing/maiming of millions of Koreans:

" Total civilians killed/wounded: 2.5 million (est.)[2]
South Korea: 990,968
373,599 killed[2]
229,625 wounded[2]
387,744 abducted/missing[2]
North Korea: 1,550,000 (est.)[2]

Korean War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You may recall Iraqis weren't killing each other on the same scale or questioning their personal religious affiliations before March 2003. When a pair of rich draft dodgers lied about mushroom clouds and simplistic fools fell into lockstep. (Were you one?)

One in four Iraqis who was whole, alive and "free" in March of 2003 is currently dead, displaced, maimed or incarcerated. Who got rich from that war crime? Maybe you can explain why anyone should profit from war after the first innocent civilian dies?

As the greatest purveyor of violence on this planet, US elites profit from arm sales in places like Mexico, Colombia, Nigeria and other hell holes where western corporations profit from mass murders committed by Muslims and Christians alike.

I wonder if you care...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

There is still only one country that's murdered millions of human beings thousands of miles from its homeland over the past 65 years. Why are you deflecting from that truth? Only a useful idiot or a rich bitch would focus first on the violence Muslims commit when living in the greatest purveyor of violence on this planet.

I wonder if Georgie can break it down for us and show us where the U.S. has killed millions. If you take Iraq, for example, most of the killings have been done by Iraqis themselves on fellow citizens and by Muslim insurgents who came into Iraq from other countries. However, it looks like Georgie doesn't like his own country *I wonder if he was a draft dodger) so would rather blame all the killings as done by Americans. Yessirree, Georgie himself is a Dhimwit and the radical Muslims love idiots like him.

Leaving aside the ethnic cleansing of American Indians and starting with Hiroshima and Nagasaki:

"Within the first two to four months of the bombings, the acute effects killed 90,000–166,000 people in Hiroshima and 60,000–80,000 in Nagasaki, with roughly half of the deaths in each city occurring on the first day."

Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

These war crimes occurred after Japan privately conveyed a willingness to surrender with only one condition according to entries in Truman's diary. Harry also instigated the killing/maiming of millions of Koreans:

" Total civilians killed/wounded: 2.5 million (est.)[2]
South Korea: 990,968
373,599 killed[2]
229,625 wounded[2]
387,744 abducted/missing[2]
North Korea: 1,550,000 (est.)[2]

Korean War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You may recall Iraqis weren't killing each other on the same scale or questioning their personal religious affiliations before March 2003. When a pair of rich draft dodgers lied about mushroom clouds and simplistic fools fell into lockstep. (Were you one?)

One in four Iraqis who was whole, alive and "free" in March of 2003 is currently dead, displaced, maimed or incarcerated. Who got rich from that war crime? Maybe you can explain why anyone should profit from war after the first innocent civilian dies?

As the greatest purveyor of violence on this planet, US elites profit from arm sales in places like Mexico, Colombia, Nigeria and other hell holes where western corporations profit from mass murders committed by Muslims and Christians alike.

I wonder if you care...

You should ask the North Koreans if we were wrong to enter the war.

The ones who haven't starved to death.

 

[georgephillip]

George , so basically your argument is that Muslims killing Muslims is OK as long as the Americans kill more Muslims ?
The logic of this argument is kind of lame ...
Also I would like to see proof of Americans killing the most people in the last century.

Americans are killing Muslims for money thousands of miles from the US, and many of the Muslims killed on behalf of other (richer) Muslims are killed with US supplied weapons. If the US did not consider Middle Eastern oil "the greatest strategic prize in history", much of the killing would not be happening, imho.

It's possible Stalin and Mao killed more human beings than the US has over the past century (if you don't count American Indians); however, Stalin and Mao didn't do their killing in Indochina or Iraq or Wounded Knee.

If we're going to rationally discuss how many people the US military has killed in the last century, we will first have to agree on what sources we consider to be credible. Starting with Korea and Vietnam, there's a huge range of casualty figures.

 

[georgephillip]

I wonder if Georgie can break it down for us and show us where the U.S. has killed millions. If you take Iraq, for example, most of the killings have been done by Iraqis themselves on fellow citizens and by Muslim insurgents who came into Iraq from other countries. However, it looks like Georgie doesn't like his own country *I wonder if he was a draft dodger) so would rather blame all the killings as done by Americans. Yessirree, Georgie himself is a Dhimwit and the radical Muslims love idiots like him.

Leaving aside the ethnic cleansing of American Indians and starting with Hiroshima and Nagasaki:

"Within the first two to four months of the bombings, the acute effects killed 90,000–166,000 people in Hiroshima and 60,000–80,000 in Nagasaki, with roughly half of the deaths in each city occurring on the first day."

Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

These war crimes occurred after Japan privately conveyed a willingness to surrender with only one condition according to entries in Truman's diary. Harry also instigated the killing/maiming of millions of Koreans:

" Total civilians killed/wounded: 2.5 million (est.)[2]
South Korea: 990,968
373,599 killed[2]
229,625 wounded[2]
387,744 abducted/missing[2]
North Korea: 1,550,000 (est.)[2]

Korean War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You may recall Iraqis weren't killing each other on the same scale or questioning their personal religious affiliations before March 2003. When a pair of rich draft dodgers lied about mushroom clouds and simplistic fools fell into lockstep. (Were you one?)

One in four Iraqis who was whole, alive and "free" in March of 2003 is currently dead, displaced, maimed or incarcerated. Who got rich from that war crime? Maybe you can explain why anyone should profit from war after the first innocent civilian dies?

As the greatest purveyor of violence on this planet, US elites profit from arm sales in places like Mexico, Colombia, Nigeria and other hell holes where western corporations profit from mass murders committed by Muslims and Christians alike.

I wonder if you care...

You should ask the North Koreans if we were wrong to enter the war.

The ones who haven't starved to death.

Let's ask Yuh Woon-Hyung:

"Yuh Woon-Hyung (May 25, 1886 – July 19, 1947) was a Korean politician who argued that Korean independence was essential to world peace, and a reunification activist who struggled for the independent reunification of Korea since its national division in 1945.

"His pen-name was Mongyang (몽양; 夢&#38525, the Chinese characters for 'dream' and 'light.'

"He is rare among politicians in modern Korean history in that he is revered in both South and North Korea."

Yuh Woon-Hyung - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[georgephillip]

George , so basically your argument is that Muslims killing Muslims is OK as long as the Americans kill more Muslims ?
The logic of this argument is kind of lame ...
Also I would like to see proof of Americans killing the most people in the last century.

What about all those Christians killing Christians in Mexico or Columbia?

Christians ain't killing Christians because they're Christians. Unlike Mooslimes.

Christian$ are killing other Christian$ for money.
Do you see that as an improvement?

 

[georgephillip]

Less than half of young US Jews in a 2007 poll answered that question with a "yes."

"The(2008) Gaza massacre provoked unprecedented opposition around the world -- in Britain, students occupied buildings in more than a dozen universities across the country -- but, as Finkelstein documents in the second part of the book, this opposition did not come out of the blue.

"Rather, it 'marked the nadir of a curve plotting a steady decline in support for Israel', not only in Europe, where Israel consistently ranks among the least popular states in the world, but also in the US.13

"Most strikingly, American Jews are becoming increasingly ambivalent or even hostile towards Israel, to the point where less than half of young American Jews polled in 2007 answered that they would consider the destruction of Israel a 'personal tragedy'"

]

Destruction is not defined- So I guess for the emotionally charged we are talking genocide or something.....

That is not the only alternative..... Including the nature of the state becoming more inclusive..........

They are turning off the world but as long as they have the "big satan" on their side, it don't matter much now does it..............

Perhaps these young people were voting for a democratic Israel as opposed to a Jewish Israel.

A change of that magnitude would not happen without sufficient incentive:

"If international civil society is serious about urgently ending Israel’s violations of Palestinian rights, including ending the occupation, then suspension of SWIFT transactions to and from Israeli banks offers an instrument to help bring about a peaceful resolution of an intractable conflict..."

SWIFT (Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication ) based in Belgium could play the same role today that New York banks played when sanctions were applied to South Africa.

"SWIFT links 8,740 financial institutions in 209 countries. Without access to SWIFT and its interbank payment network, countries are unable either to pay for imports or to receive payment for exports. In short, no payment — no trade."

Terry Crawford-Browne: To end the occupation, cripple Israeli banks | Israeli Occupation Archive

 

[Hossfly]

Less than half of young US Jews in a 2007 poll answered that question with a "yes."

"The(2008) Gaza massacre provoked unprecedented opposition around the world -- in Britain, students occupied buildings in more than a dozen universities across the country -- but, as Finkelstein documents in the second part of the book, this opposition did not come out of the blue.

"Rather, it 'marked the nadir of a curve plotting a steady decline in support for Israel', not only in Europe, where Israel consistently ranks among the least popular states in the world, but also in the US.13

"Most strikingly, American Jews are becoming increasingly ambivalent or even hostile towards Israel, to the point where less than half of young American Jews polled in 2007 answered that they would consider the destruction of Israel a 'personal tragedy'"

]

Destruction is not defined- So I guess for the emotionally charged we are talking genocide or something.....

That is not the only alternative..... Including the nature of the state becoming more inclusive..........

They are turning off the world but as long as they have the "big satan" on their side, it don't matter much now does it..............

Perhaps these young people were voting for a democratic Israel as opposed to a Jewish Israel.

A change of that magnitude would not happen without sufficient incentive:

"If international civil society is serious about urgently ending Israel’s violations of Palestinian rights, including ending the occupation, then suspension of SWIFT transactions to and from Israeli banks offers an instrument to help bring about a peaceful resolution of an intractable conflict..."

SWIFT (Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication ) based in Belgium could play the same role today that New York banks played when sanctions were applied to South Africa.

"SWIFT links 8,740 financial institutions in 209 countries. Without access to SWIFT and its interbank payment network, countries are unable either to pay for imports or to receive payment for exports. In short, no payment — no trade."

Terry Crawford-Browne: To end the occupation, cripple Israeli banks | Israeli Occupation Archive

SWIFT got Iran today.Heard about that,George?

 

[georgephillip]

Hadn't heard, Hoss.
What was SWIFT's justification?

 

[Hossfly]

Hadn't heard, Hoss.
What was SWIFT's justification?

It just happened a short while ago and SWIFT said it was because of Iran was aiding Syria.They wanted to cut Iran's money supply.

 

[Jos]

Hadn't heard, Hoss.
What was SWIFT's justification?

It just happened a short while ago and SWIFT said it was because of Iran was aiding Syria.They wanted to cut Iran's money supply.

in February 2012, the U.S. Senate Banking Committee unanimously approved sanctions against SWIFT aimed at pressuring the Belgian financial telecommunications network to terminate its ties with blacklisted Iranian banks. Expelling Iranian banks from SWIFT would potentially deny Iran access to billions of dollars in revenue

Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

SWIFT provides the network that enables financial institutions worldwide to send and receive information about financial transactions in a secure, standardised and reliable environment.

SWIFT - SWIFT responds to recent Press Coverage

 

[georgephillip]

"It is important to note that SWIFT is overseen directly by the G10 central banks, including the Federal Reserve and the European Central Bank...

"Indeed, SWIFT has been a vital instrument in the global battle against terrorist financing, cooperating with relevant enforcement agencies in the United States and the European Union..."

Lucky thing there are no financial terrorists at the Fed or ECB.

SWIFT - SWIFT responds to recent Press Coverage