Do you shop at Walmart?

[Avatar4321]

Occasionally. Nothing wrong with the store. They usually have good deals.

 

[Cecilie1200]

All minimum wage did was change the cost of labor and add some additional dynamics. Labor is still a commodity as much as any other cost of doing business and any business person who is at all competent must factor in the cost of labor including payroll taxes, labor based insurance costs, costs of training, benefits, and all other costs related to labor when he or she fixes his/her prices. It is a buyers market for the employer when the economy is crappy and unemployment is high and he/she can be much more picky about who gets hired and the workers have much less option about where then can work and what their earnings and benefits will be. It is a sellers market for the worker when the economy is good and there is full employment--he/she has much more option to sell his/her labor the highest bidder.

Wal-mart is no different than the mom and pop store when setting wages and benefits and calculating how to manage these to maximize profits. And do not think the mom and pop store is any more noble or magnanimous in being willing to pay more than it has to in order to follow a business plan and meet goals.

What other commodities have price minimums? Or requirements such as matching payroll taxes, meeting safety and health requirements, mandatory break periods and so on down the line?

The American people are not a commodity no matter who wishes they were. And efforts to commoditize workers merely makes America more South American-like, which hurts both workers and businesses, while making the country less secure.

Ahh, emotion-driven arguments. We were so DESPERATELY in need of yet another purveyor of this illogical garbage.

 

[Koios]

All minimum wage did was change the cost of labor and add some additional dynamics. Labor is still a commodity as much as any other cost of doing business and any business person who is at all competent must factor in the cost of labor including payroll taxes, labor based insurance costs, costs of training, benefits, and all other costs related to labor when he or she fixes his/her prices. It is a buyers market for the employer when the economy is crappy and unemployment is high and he/she can be much more picky about who gets hired and the workers have much less option about where then can work and what their earnings and benefits will be. It is a sellers market for the worker when the economy is good and there is full employment--he/she has much more option to sell his/her labor the highest bidder.

Wal-mart is no different than the mom and pop store when setting wages and benefits and calculating how to manage these to maximize profits. And do not think the mom and pop store is any more noble or magnanimous in being willing to pay more than it has to in order to follow a business plan and meet goals.

What other commodities have price minimums? Or requirements such as matching payroll taxes, meeting safety and health requirements, mandatory break periods and so on down the line?

The American people are not a commodity no matter who wishes they were. And efforts to commoditize workers merely makes America more South American-like, which hurts both workers and businesses, while making the country less secure.

Ahh, emotion-driven arguments. We were so DESPERATELY in need of yet another purveyor of this illogical garbage.

The irony of that purely rhetorical horseshit reply is surely not lost on me. How about you?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

And do not think the mom and pop store is any more noble or magnanimous in being willing to pay more than it has to in order to follow a business plan and meet goals.

very true which is why Wal Mart gets 5000 applications when it opens a new store

 

[Foxfyre]

And do not think the mom and pop store is any more noble or magnanimous in being willing to pay more than it has to in order to follow a business plan and meet goals.

very true which is why Wal Mart gets 5000 applications when it opens a new store

Yep. And every store receives dozens, probably hundreds of applications in the current crappy economy, every single week and enjoy an unusually loyal work force for a big box store. I see the same folks at our local Wal-mart month after month, year after year, when some stores like Staples and Office Max seem to have a complete turnover every few months. That tells me that Wal-mart has something commendable going for it.

 

[Cecilie1200]

What other commodities have price minimums? Or requirements such as matching payroll taxes, meeting safety and health requirements, mandatory break periods and so on down the line?

The American people are not a commodity no matter who wishes they were. And efforts to commoditize workers merely makes America more South American-like, which hurts both workers and businesses, while making the country less secure.

Ahh, emotion-driven arguments. We were so DESPERATELY in need of yet another purveyor of this illogical garbage.

The irony of that purely rhetorical horseshit reply is surely not lost on me. How about you?

I doubt you'd recognize irony if it crawled up your ass. God knows, your posts show you're not very perceptive.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

All minimum wage did was change the cost of labor and add some additional dynamics. Labor is still a commodity as much as any other cost of doing business and any business person who is at all competent must factor in the cost of labor including payroll taxes, labor based insurance costs, costs of training, benefits, and all other costs related to labor when he or she fixes his/her prices. It is a buyers market for the employer when the economy is crappy and unemployment is high and he/she can be much more picky about who gets hired and the workers have much less option about where then can work and what their earnings and benefits will be. It is a sellers market for the worker when the economy is good and there is full employment--he/she has much more option to sell his/her labor the highest bidder.

Wal-mart is no different than the mom and pop store when setting wages and benefits and calculating how to manage these to maximize profits. And do not think the mom and pop store is any more noble or magnanimous in being willing to pay more than it has to in order to follow a business plan and meet goals.

What other commodities have price minimums? Or requirements such as matching payroll taxes, meeting safety and health requirements, mandatory break periods and so on down the line?

The American people are not a commodity no matter who wishes they were. And efforts to commoditize workers merely makes America more South American-like, which hurts both workers and businesses, while making the country less secure.

Ahh, emotion-driven arguments. We were so DESPERATELY in need of yet another purveyor of this illogical garbage.

can you say exactly what illogical garbage you are talking about???

 

[Foxfyre]

What other commodities have price minimums? Or requirements such as matching payroll taxes, meeting safety and health requirements, mandatory break periods and so on down the line?

The American people are not a commodity no matter who wishes they were. And efforts to commoditize workers merely makes America more South American-like, which hurts both workers and businesses, while making the country less secure.

Ahh, emotion-driven arguments. We were so DESPERATELY in need of yet another purveyor of this illogical garbage.

can you say exactly what illogical garbage you are talking about???

Sigh. I think anybody who would have to ask probably wouldn't understand the explanation either.

 

[Cecilie1200]

What other commodities have price minimums? Or requirements such as matching payroll taxes, meeting safety and health requirements, mandatory break periods and so on down the line?

The American people are not a commodity no matter who wishes they were. And efforts to commoditize workers merely makes America more South American-like, which hurts both workers and businesses, while making the country less secure.

Ahh, emotion-driven arguments. We were so DESPERATELY in need of yet another purveyor of this illogical garbage.

can you say exactly what illogical garbage you are talking about???

"The government interfered and imposed price minimums, therefore labor is no longer a commodity."

"Calling labor a commodity is equivalent to calling PEOPLE a commodity."

Start with those. And if you're planning on insisting he didn't say those things because they aren't exact quotes, don't bother.

 

[usmcstinger]

Just reading this at Huffpo and looking at the comments. Made me wonder if people who disapprove of Walmart still shop there.


Walmart's Internal Compensation Documents Reveal Systematic Limit On Advancement

No person is forced to work or shop at Walmart. If don't like working at Walmart, get another job, you idiot.
If you do not like how Walmart treats their employees, then don't shop there ass holes.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Ahh, emotion-driven arguments. We were so DESPERATELY in need of yet another purveyor of this illogical garbage.

can you say exactly what illogical garbage you are talking about???

Sigh. I think anybody who would have to ask probably wouldn't understand the explanation either.

Probably not, but I'm a generous sort of person, so I'll provide explanations if people ask poltely for them.

 

[Nosmo King]

Just reading this at Huffpo and looking at the comments. Made me wonder if people who disapprove of Walmart still shop there.


Walmart's Internal Compensation Documents Reveal Systematic Limit On Advancement

No person is forced to work or shop at Walmart. If don't like working at Walmart, get another job, you idiot.
If you do not like how Walmart treats their employees, then don't shop there ass holes.

Sounds well thought out. If you live in a small town and Wal Mart is the only game in town, simply move your family, sell your house, pull your kids out of school, quit your church, say goodbye to your family and friends and get another job!

Don't Conservatives claim to LOVE family and family values? Tradition and continuity? If you work at Wal Mart and are called in to work on Thanksgiving evening, ruining your family celebration and removing you from the traditional get togethers, how family friendly is that?

Seems Conservatives don't give a rat's ass about family or tradition or continuity. What really matters to them is profit, screwing workers and demeaning their rights, applauding management and hoping that those poor old CEOs can retain their staggeringly high bonuses and staggeringly low tax rates. Yes sir! Family be damned if there's a profit to be made!

 

[Cecilie1200]

Just reading this at Huffpo and looking at the comments. Made me wonder if people who disapprove of Walmart still shop there.


Walmart's Internal Compensation Documents Reveal Systematic Limit On Advancement

No person is forced to work or shop at Walmart. If don't like working at Walmart, get another job, you idiot.
If you do not like how Walmart treats their employees, then don't shop there ass holes.

Sounds well thought out. If you live in a small town and Wal Mart is the only game in town, simply move your family, sell your house, pull your kids out of school, quit your church, say goodbye to your family and friends and get another job!

Don't Conservatives claim to LOVE family and family values? Tradition and continuity? If you work at Wal Mart and are called in to work on Thanksgiving evening, ruining your family celebration and removing you from the traditional get togethers, how family friendly is that?

Seems Conservatives don't give a rat's ass about family or tradition or continuity. What really matters to them is profit, screwing workers and demeaning their rights, applauding management and hoping that those poor old CEOs can retain their staggeringly high bonuses and staggeringly low tax rates. Yes sir! Family be damned if there's a profit to be made!

Having a choice you don't like is not the same as having no choice. It is not anyone else's responsibility to improve YOUR slate of life choices. If you haven't bothered to prepare yourself to do any better in life than working at WalMart, then whose fault is it if you have to give up small town living and leave your family and friends to move to a big city for better pay? WalMart's, for not valuing your unskilled ass as though you had actually educated yourself, or yours, for not educating yourself?

Go cry someone else a river.

 

[PredFan]

If you work at Walmart and are not in mamagement, then it's time for you to admit you have made some poor life choices. YOU made the choices, not Walmart. Stop blaming Walmart for your mistakes and stop asking Walmart to subsidize them.

Did you get a big ole tattoo on your neck that says "Fuck You"?
Do you believe that grammar is racist and refuse to stop talking like your standing in the ghetto?
Do you lack education because you had the first of your 9 kids when you were 15?
Do you lack job experience except for working 10 years in a prison laundry?
Do you just seem to have trouble getting up in time for work?
Do you like to just not show up for work some days?

None of this is Walmart's fault but Walmart is probably one of the few companies that would tolerate some of this behavior, the trade off is that you don't get paid squat. Don't expect sympathy when you go on strike to try to get wages the same as people who made something of their lives.

 

[eots]

Just reading this at Huffpo and looking at the comments. Made me wonder if people who disapprove of Walmart still shop there.


Walmart's Internal Compensation Documents Reveal Systematic Limit On Advancement

I bought a printer there a few days ago..it was almost as cheap as the ink cartridge..it made me feel a little ill..but wal-mart is more the symptom than the problem itself...you simply can not sell a 22$ printer without salves

 

[Foxfyre]

Just reading this at Huffpo and looking at the comments. Made me wonder if people who disapprove of Walmart still shop there.


Walmart's Internal Compensation Documents Reveal Systematic Limit On Advancement

No person is forced to work or shop at Walmart. If don't like working at Walmart, get another job, you idiot.
If you do not like how Walmart treats their employees, then don't shop there ass holes.

Sounds well thought out. If you live in a small town and Wal Mart is the only game in town, simply move your family, sell your house, pull your kids out of school, quit your church, say goodbye to your family and friends and get another job!

Don't Conservatives claim to LOVE family and family values? Tradition and continuity? If you work at Wal Mart and are called in to work on Thanksgiving evening, ruining your family celebration and removing you from the traditional get togethers, how family friendly is that?

Seems Conservatives don't give a rat's ass about family or tradition or continuity. What really matters to them is profit, screwing workers and demeaning their rights, applauding management and hoping that those poor old CEOs can retain their staggeringly high bonuses and staggeringly low tax rates. Yes sir! Family be damned if there's a profit to be made!

Setting aside for a moment your contempt for all us conservatives and your low opinion of us. . .

Daughter has a government job that more than once has required her to work through holidays. Can we condemn the goverrnment for that or can we assume she knew the drill when she took the job? Son works for a major oil company and he will be on call this Thanksgiving and could be called in for any issues or problems that come up. Shall we condemn the oil companies for not spending mega millions to shut down a refinery because it is Thanksigivng Day?

I spent a lot of years working in hospitals and yes, we were all expected to take turns working on the holidays. I suppose we could have just closed the hospital on Thanksgiving, but oh well. . . .might as well stay open and take care of sick people.

So yes. You can remove the Wal-mart and have no jobs at all in your small community--that is the case in almost every single little burg around here that could no longer support any kind of commerce and industry--or you can appreciate that there are jobs provided by the Wal-mart.

If it was not Wal-mart there, it would be some other big box store providing the large selection and affordable prices that the people demand. And if you didn't have a Wal-mart nearby, there is no guarantee that the more compassionate mom and pop stores that close on Sundays and holidays would be able to survive either because the country has changed and people are willing to driving longer distances to acquire the products they want.

P.S. Our local Wal-mart pays overtime to employees who work the holiday shifts and generally have more people volunteering to take those shifts than they need.

 

[Nosmo King]

No person is forced to work or shop at Walmart. If don't like working at Walmart, get another job, you idiot.
If you do not like how Walmart treats their employees, then don't shop there ass holes.

Sounds well thought out. If you live in a small town and Wal Mart is the only game in town, simply move your family, sell your house, pull your kids out of school, quit your church, say goodbye to your family and friends and get another job!

Don't Conservatives claim to LOVE family and family values? Tradition and continuity? If you work at Wal Mart and are called in to work on Thanksgiving evening, ruining your family celebration and removing you from the traditional get togethers, how family friendly is that?

Seems Conservatives don't give a rat's ass about family or tradition or continuity. What really matters to them is profit, screwing workers and demeaning their rights, applauding management and hoping that those poor old CEOs can retain their staggeringly high bonuses and staggeringly low tax rates. Yes sir! Family be damned if there's a profit to be made!

Setting aside for a moment your contempt for all us conservatives and your low opinion of us. . .

Daughter has a government job that more than once has required her to work through holidays. Can we condemn the goverrnment for that or can we assume she knew the drill when she took the job? Son works for a major oil company and he will be on call this Thanksgiving and could be called in for any issues or problems that come up. Shall we condemn the oil companies for not spending mega millions to shut down a refinery because it is Thanksigivng Day?

I spent a lot of years working in hospitals and yes, we were all expected to take turns working on the holidays. I suppose we could have just closed the hospital on Thanksgiving, but oh well. . . .might as well stay open and take care of sick people.

So yes. You can remove the Wal-mart and have no jobs at all in your small community--that is the case in almost every single little burg around here that could no longer support any kind of commerce and industry--or you can appreciate that there are jobs provided by the Wal-mart.

If it was not Wal-mart there, it would be some other big box store providing the large selection and affordable prices that the people demand. And if you didn't have a Wal-mart nearby, there is no guarantee that the more compassionate mom and pop stores that close on Sundays and holidays would be able to survive either because the country has changed and people are willing to driving longer distances to acquire the products they want.

P.S. Our local Wal-mart pays overtime to employees who work the holiday shifts and generally have more people volunteering to take those shifts than they need.

I can imagine emergencies visiting hospitals. I can understand why the processes of refining oil cannot be suspended. I appreciate that some governmental services must be on guard and at post 24 hours a day.

What I cannot imagine is the absolute necessity to tear folks away from their families just to open a store on Thanksgiving evening. Unless, of course, families don't count as much as the bottom line.

 

[Foxfyre]

Sounds well thought out. If you live in a small town and Wal Mart is the only game in town, simply move your family, sell your house, pull your kids out of school, quit your church, say goodbye to your family and friends and get another job!

Don't Conservatives claim to LOVE family and family values? Tradition and continuity? If you work at Wal Mart and are called in to work on Thanksgiving evening, ruining your family celebration and removing you from the traditional get togethers, how family friendly is that?

Seems Conservatives don't give a rat's ass about family or tradition or continuity. What really matters to them is profit, screwing workers and demeaning their rights, applauding management and hoping that those poor old CEOs can retain their staggeringly high bonuses and staggeringly low tax rates. Yes sir! Family be damned if there's a profit to be made!

Setting aside for a moment your contempt for all us conservatives and your low opinion of us. . .

Daughter has a government job that more than once has required her to work through holidays. Can we condemn the goverrnment for that or can we assume she knew the drill when she took the job? Son works for a major oil company and he will be on call this Thanksgiving and could be called in for any issues or problems that come up. Shall we condemn the oil companies for not spending mega millions to shut down a refinery because it is Thanksigivng Day?

I spent a lot of years working in hospitals and yes, we were all expected to take turns working on the holidays. I suppose we could have just closed the hospital on Thanksgiving, but oh well. . . .might as well stay open and take care of sick people.

So yes. You can remove the Wal-mart and have no jobs at all in your small community--that is the case in almost every single little burg around here that could no longer support any kind of commerce and industry--or you can appreciate that there are jobs provided by the Wal-mart.

If it was not Wal-mart there, it would be some other big box store providing the large selection and affordable prices that the people demand. And if you didn't have a Wal-mart nearby, there is no guarantee that the more compassionate mom and pop stores that close on Sundays and holidays would be able to survive either because the country has changed and people are willing to driving longer distances to acquire the products they want.

P.S. Our local Wal-mart pays overtime to employees who work the holiday shifts and generally have more people volunteering to take those shifts than they need.

I can imagine emergencies visiting hospitals. I can understand why the processes of refining oil cannot be suspended. I appreciate that some governmental services must be on guard and at post 24 hours a day.

What I cannot imagine is the absolute necessity to tear folks away from their families just to open a store on Thanksgiving evening. Unless, of course, families don't count as much as the bottom line.

Because you keep up with the competition or you lose market share which also costs people jobs. Again, our local Wal-mart has employees begging to take holiday shifts because they receive premium wages to do so. They don't feel torn away from their families. They want the work. I, and probably you, grew up in towns where they rolled up the sidewalks on Saturday night and nothing was open on Sunday. I remember the blue laws in which it was illegal to be open or to sell most products on Sundays or other special days.

But once one business opened up after church on Sunday, folks patronized that business and the experiment was successful like crazy. And others wanted in on that gravy train so that now in most places, Sunday is little different from any other day throughout the country. The super market who opened up on Thanksgiving morning or Christmas morning for a few hours so that folks who forgot that important ingredient could come get it realized huge profits in doing so. And now in these crappy economic times, a lot of stores are starting black Friday on Thanksgiving evening to get ahead of the game. Again, Wal-mart has to do the same or they lose out on market share.

All businesses do what they have to do to get customers in the door. When they stop doing that, a lot of the jobs people are depending on will go away.

 

[eots]

Setting aside for a moment your contempt for all us conservatives and your low opinion of us. . .

Daughter has a government job that more than once has required her to work through holidays. Can we condemn the goverrnment for that or can we assume she knew the drill when she took the job? Son works for a major oil company and he will be on call this Thanksgiving and could be called in for any issues or problems that come up. Shall we condemn the oil companies for not spending mega millions to shut down a refinery because it is Thanksigivng Day?

I spent a lot of years working in hospitals and yes, we were all expected to take turns working on the holidays. I suppose we could have just closed the hospital on Thanksgiving, but oh well. . . .might as well stay open and take care of sick people.

So yes. You can remove the Wal-mart and have no jobs at all in your small community--that is the case in almost every single little burg around here that could no longer support any kind of commerce and industry--or you can appreciate that there are jobs provided by the Wal-mart.

If it was not Wal-mart there, it would be some other big box store providing the large selection and affordable prices that the people demand. And if you didn't have a Wal-mart nearby, there is no guarantee that the more compassionate mom and pop stores that close on Sundays and holidays would be able to survive either because the country has changed and people are willing to driving longer distances to acquire the products they want.

P.S. Our local Wal-mart pays overtime to employees who work the holiday shifts and generally have more people volunteering to take those shifts than they need.

I can imagine emergencies visiting hospitals. I can understand why the processes of refining oil cannot be suspended. I appreciate that some governmental services must be on guard and at post 24 hours a day.

What I cannot imagine is the absolute necessity to tear folks away from their families just to open a store on Thanksgiving evening. Unless, of course, families don't count as much as the bottom line.

Because you keep up with the competition or you lose market share which also costs people jobs. Again, our local Wal-mart has employees begging to take holiday shifts because they receive premium wages to do so. They don't feel torn away from their families. They want the work. I, and probably you, grew up in towns where they rolled up the sidewalks on Saturday night and nothing was open on Sunday. I remember the blue laws in which it was illegal to be open or to sell most products on Sundays or other special days.

But once one business opened up after church on Sunday, folks patronized that business and the experiment was successful like crazy. And others wanted in on that gravy train so that now in most places, Sunday is little different from any other day throughout the country. The super market who opened up on Thanksgiving morning or Christmas morning for a few hours so that folks who forgot that important ingredient could come get it realized huge profits in doing so. And now in these crappy economic times, a lot of stores are starting black Friday on Thanksgiving evening to get ahead of the game. Again, Wal-mart has to do the same or they lose out on market share.

All businesses do what they have to do to get customers in the door. When they stop doing that, a lot of the jobs people are depending on will go away.

good them we can come up with something better than this consumer maddness

 

[Nosmo King]

Setting aside for a moment your contempt for all us conservatives and your low opinion of us. . .

Daughter has a government job that more than once has required her to work through holidays. Can we condemn the goverrnment for that or can we assume she knew the drill when she took the job? Son works for a major oil company and he will be on call this Thanksgiving and could be called in for any issues or problems that come up. Shall we condemn the oil companies for not spending mega millions to shut down a refinery because it is Thanksigivng Day?

I spent a lot of years working in hospitals and yes, we were all expected to take turns working on the holidays. I suppose we could have just closed the hospital on Thanksgiving, but oh well. . . .might as well stay open and take care of sick people.

So yes. You can remove the Wal-mart and have no jobs at all in your small community--that is the case in almost every single little burg around here that could no longer support any kind of commerce and industry--or you can appreciate that there are jobs provided by the Wal-mart.

If it was not Wal-mart there, it would be some other big box store providing the large selection and affordable prices that the people demand. And if you didn't have a Wal-mart nearby, there is no guarantee that the more compassionate mom and pop stores that close on Sundays and holidays would be able to survive either because the country has changed and people are willing to driving longer distances to acquire the products they want.

P.S. Our local Wal-mart pays overtime to employees who work the holiday shifts and generally have more people volunteering to take those shifts than they need.

I can imagine emergencies visiting hospitals. I can understand why the processes of refining oil cannot be suspended. I appreciate that some governmental services must be on guard and at post 24 hours a day.

What I cannot imagine is the absolute necessity to tear folks away from their families just to open a store on Thanksgiving evening. Unless, of course, families don't count as much as the bottom line.

Because you keep up with the competition or you lose market share which also costs people jobs. Again, our local Wal-mart has employees begging to take holiday shifts because they receive premium wages to do so. They don't feel torn away from their families. They want the work. I, and probably you, grew up in towns where they rolled up the sidewalks on Saturday night and nothing was open on Sunday. I remember the blue laws in which it was illegal to be open or to sell most products on Sundays or other special days.

But once one business opened up after church on Sunday, folks patronized that business and the experiment was successful like crazy. And others wanted in on that gravy train so that now in most places, Sunday is little different from any other day throughout the country. The super market who opened up on Thanksgiving morning or Christmas morning for a few hours so that folks who forgot that important ingredient could come get it realized huge profits in doing so. And now in these crappy economic times, a lot of stores are starting black Friday on Thanksgiving evening to get ahead of the game. Again, Wal-mart has to do the same or they lose out on market share.

All businesses do what they have to do to get customers in the door. When they stop doing that, a lot of the jobs people are depending on will go away.

Oh! I see! Wal Mart is performing a valuable service to their employees by opening their stores on Thanksgiving evening! The employees are hap hap happy to leave their families and go in for another work day! The community is happy because all those pesky family dinners can finally be abandoned and more profits can be made!

Is this what Conservatives meant when they said "Let's take our country back!"?

I suppose the employees who are protesting Wal Mart's opening on Thanksgiving are nothing more than Communist agitators looking to besmirch the great tradition of leaving your family on holidays to go and stock shelves with Elmos and cans of motor oil.