Do you shop at Walmart?

[JustTheFacts]

It's all he does. Only Special Ed could take a thread about Wal-Mart and twist it into Stalin with a side of "liberals".

1) so then why not explain why the liberals spied for Stalin a communist?

2) why not explain why they hate Walmart, a very very successful capitalist enterprise that is not very different from many many other very successful capitalist enterprises.

3) Why not explain why Obama, also communist (2 communist parents,voted to left of Bernie Sanders) used socialism rather than capitalism to fix the health care industry ??

Do the libturds really want to take over WalMart too! Where do the liberals like capitalism? Anywhere? Ever heard one defend it?? It seems clear they are communists but are afraid to use the word!!

News ther obama nor stalin are posting in this thread ao obviously theybcant defend ornattack wal mart

Get that stupid shit out of a thread that has nothing to do with partisan politics

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

It's all he does. Only Special Ed could take a thread about Wal-Mart and twist it into Stalin with a side of "liberals".

1) so then why not explain why the liberals spied for Stalin a communist?

2) why not explain why they hate Walmart, a very very successful capitalist enterprise that is not very different from many many other very successful capitalist enterprises.

3) Why not explain why Obama, also communist (2 communist parents,voted to left of Bernie Sanders) used socialism rather than capitalism to fix the health care industry ??

Do the libturds really want to take over WalMart too! Where do the liberals like capitalism? Anywhere? Ever heard one defend it?? It seems clear they are communists but are afraid to use the word!!

News ther obama nor stalin are posting in this thread ao obviously theybcant defend ornattack wal mart

Get that stupid shit out of a thread that has nothing to do with partisan politics

?????english please

 

[JustTheFacts]

1) so then why not explain why the liberals spied for Stalin a communist?

2) why not explain why they hate Walmart, a very very successful capitalist enterprise that is not very different from many many other very successful capitalist enterprises.

3) Why not explain why Obama, also communist (2 communist parents,voted to left of Bernie Sanders) used socialism rather than capitalism to fix the health care industry ??

Do the libturds really want to take over WalMart too! Where do the liberals like capitalism? Anywhere? Ever heard one defend it?? It seems clear they are communists but are afraid to use the word!!

Neither obama nor stalin are posting in this thread so obviously they cant defend or attack wal mart here

Get that stupid shit out of a thread that has nothing to do with partisan politics

?????english please

Sorry. New phone. Havent figured it out yet. I edited within this response

 

[Foxfyre]

I really don't think all liberals are communists or that they all hate capitalism. I know too many liberals running businesses or working for capitalists. Some of these I am quite fond of.

But where liberals part company with me is in looking to government instead of private enterprise to get things done, meet needs, or address problems. And they tend to be far more trusting of government than I think is healthy, and far more distrusting of their fellow man than I think is realistic.

The liberal can't seem to wrap his/her mind around a concept that we all benefit each other best when we look to our own interests and prosper ourselves using our own instincts, intuitiveness, intelligence, ability, talents, and work ethic. The liberal too often honestly believes that if government does not force us to do what the liberal thinks we should, that it won't happen at all.

And this does fit in with a discussion on Walmart. Should the government force Walmart to increase its wages and benefits? Should the government force Walmart to unionize? Should the government overtly or covertly demonize Walmart which seems to be the PC modus operendi these days? Should the government dictate to Walmart what products that can or must carry?

All that is part of the mix, and if you scratch the surface deep enough, that is what this thread is ultimately all about.

 

[JustTheFacts]

I really don't think all liberals are communists or that they all hate capitalism. I know too many liberals running businesses or working for capitalists. Some of these I am quite fond of.

But where liberals part company with me is in looking to government instead of private enterprise to get things done, meet needs, or address problems. And they tend to be far more trusting of government than I think is healthy, and far more distrusting of their fellow man than I think is realistic.

The liberal can't seem to wrap his/her mind around a concept that we all benefit each other best when we look to our own interests and prosper ourselves using our own instincts, intuitiveness, intelligence, ability, talents, and work ethic. The liberal too often honestly believes that if government does not force us to do what the liberal thinks we should, that it won't happen at all.

And this does fit in with a discussion on Walmart. Should the government force Walmart to increase its wages and benefits? Should the government force Walmart to unionize? Should the government overtly or covertly demonize Walmart which seems to be the PC modus operendi these days? Should the government dictate to Walmart what products that can or must carry?



All that is part of the mix, and if you scratch the surface deep enough, that is what this thread is ultimately all about.

In the other hand you have to admit there are a lot of dummies screaming that businesses would do the right thing without any government intervention. And that simply isnt true.

 

[thereisnospoon]

I really don't think all liberals are communists or that they all hate capitalism. I know too many liberals running businesses or working for capitalists. Some of these I am quite fond of.

But where liberals part company with me is in looking to government instead of private enterprise to get things done, meet needs, or address problems. And they tend to be far more trusting of government than I think is healthy, and far more distrusting of their fellow man than I think is realistic.

The liberal can't seem to wrap his/her mind around a concept that we all benefit each other best when we look to our own interests and prosper ourselves using our own instincts, intuitiveness, intelligence, ability, talents, and work ethic. The liberal too often honestly believes that if government does not force us to do what the liberal thinks we should, that it won't happen at all.

And this does fit in with a discussion on Walmart. Should the government force Walmart to increase its wages and benefits? Should the government force Walmart to unionize? Should the government overtly or covertly demonize Walmart which seems to be the PC modus operendi these days? Should the government dictate to Walmart what products that can or must carry?



All that is part of the mix, and if you scratch the surface deep enough, that is what this thread is ultimately all about.

In the other hand you have to admit there are a lot of dummies screaming that businesses would do the right thing without any government intervention. And that simply isnt true.

The problem with you lefties is you cannot distinguish between regulation and intervention.

 

[JustTheFacts]

I really don't think all liberals are communists or that they all hate capitalism. I know too many liberals running businesses or working for capitalists. Some of these I am quite fond of.

But where liberals part company with me is in looking to government instead of private enterprise to get things done, meet needs, or address problems. And they tend to be far more trusting of government than I think is healthy, and far more distrusting of their fellow man than I think is realistic.

The liberal can't seem to wrap his/her mind around a concept that we all benefit each other best when we look to our own interests and prosper ourselves using our own instincts, intuitiveness, intelligence, ability, talents, and work ethic. The liberal too often honestly believes that if government does not force us to do what the liberal thinks we should, that it won't happen at all.

And this does fit in with a discussion on Walmart. Should the government force Walmart to increase its wages and benefits? Should the government force Walmart to unionize? Should the government overtly or covertly demonize Walmart which seems to be the PC modus operendi these days? Should the government dictate to Walmart what products that can or must carry?



All that is part of the mix, and if you scratch the surface deep enough, that is what this thread is ultimately all about.

In the other hand you have to admit there are a lot of dummies screaming that businesses would do the right thing without any government intervention. And that simply isnt true.

The problem with you lefties is you cannot distinguish between regulation and intervention.

News flash genius I'm not a liberal and in fact recognizing there are idiots on both sides does not make one a iberal

 

[Foxfyre]

I really don't think all liberals are communists or that they all hate capitalism. I know too many liberals running businesses or working for capitalists. Some of these I am quite fond of.

But where liberals part company with me is in looking to government instead of private enterprise to get things done, meet needs, or address problems. And they tend to be far more trusting of government than I think is healthy, and far more distrusting of their fellow man than I think is realistic.

The liberal can't seem to wrap his/her mind around a concept that we all benefit each other best when we look to our own interests and prosper ourselves using our own instincts, intuitiveness, intelligence, ability, talents, and work ethic. The liberal too often honestly believes that if government does not force us to do what the liberal thinks we should, that it won't happen at all.

And this does fit in with a discussion on Walmart. Should the government force Walmart to increase its wages and benefits? Should the government force Walmart to unionize? Should the government overtly or covertly demonize Walmart which seems to be the PC modus operendi these days? Should the government dictate to Walmart what products that can or must carry?



All that is part of the mix, and if you scratch the surface deep enough, that is what this thread is ultimately all about.

In the other hand you have to admit there are a lot of dummies screaming that businesses would do the right thing without any government intervention. And that simply isnt true.

And I think you are wrong. I think most business people are honorable people who do the right thing because that is the way they see themselves and want to be seen. And I also think the Founders allowed for sufficient regulation so that those few who would use their freedom to do economic or civil violence to another or trample on unalienable rights would be prohibited from doing so. That is how our rights are secured--each has his/her rights protected and then is free to do whatever his/her heart desires.

I also think there are appropriate areas of regulation that should be implemented at the local and state level and that the federal government should stay out of entirely.

 

[JustTheFacts]

I really don't think all liberals are communists or that they all hate capitalism. I know too many liberals running businesses or working for capitalists. Some of these I am quite fond of.

But where liberals part company with me is in looking to government instead of private enterprise to get things done, meet needs, or address problems. And they tend to be far more trusting of government than I think is healthy, and far more distrusting of their fellow man than I think is realistic.

The liberal can't seem to wrap his/her mind around a concept that we all benefit each other best when we look to our own interests and prosper ourselves using our own instincts, intuitiveness, intelligence, ability, talents, and work ethic. The liberal too often honestly believes that if government does not force us to do what the liberal thinks we should, that it won't happen at all.

And this does fit in with a discussion on Walmart. Should the government force Walmart to increase its wages and benefits? Should the government force Walmart to unionize? Should the government overtly or covertly demonize Walmart which seems to be the PC modus operendi these days? Should the government dictate to Walmart what products that can or must carry?



All that is part of the mix, and if you scratch the surface deep enough, that is what this thread is ultimately all about.

In the other hand you have to admit there are a lot of dummies screaming that businesses would do the right thing without any government intervention. And that simply isnt true.

And I think you are wrong. I think most business people are honorable people who do the right thing because that is the way they see themselves and want to be seen. And I also think the Founders allowed for sufficient regulation so that those few who would use their freedom to do economic or civil violence to another or trample on unalienable rights would be prohibited from doing so. That is how our rights are secured--each has his/her rights protected and then is free to do whatever his/her heart desires.

I also think there are appropriate areas of regulation that should be implemented at the local and state level and that the federal government should stay out of entirely.

That's cute. Meanwhile here in the real world all we have to do is look back through our own history to see that the Axum that power corrupts is true. Look back and see how the worker was abused prior 2 legislation that pre vented it. look and see how the environment was ignored prior tooo legislation which made companies preserve it. Etc, etcl

Please don't tell me that you are another one of those fools who sticks strictly to partisan dogma no matter the actual facts.

Oh I almost forgot as for your local and state legislation just a few problems with that.

1. many of these companies which are affected by these types of legislation are in fact taking part in interstate Commerce which obviously falls under federal putview rather than state or local.

2. Obviously these companies would find it much easier to buy local or even state regulation people then it would be to buy federal ones.

3. It's only make sense that we can't have hundreds of different entities making regulations and expect companies which do business in different areas of the country to be able to keep up with the different regulations in each area.

Seriously where are the grown ups who actually want to discuss things and make suggestions which actually makes sense. And oh yeah a constitutional

 

[Foxfyre]

I'm going to ignore the fact that you almost entirely ignored the entire point I was making "JTF". But answer me this. Do you honestly believe that the average private businessman or corporate executives, including Walmart, are morer evil, corrupt and abuse power more than those in the U.S. Government do or would?

 

[Pogo]

You feel how you feel. And if you prefer to shop somewhere other than Walmart, well that's what freedom looks like. Obviously everybody doesn't shop at Walmart as evidenced by all the other businesses that are thriving despite the fact that there are successful Walmarts all over the country. There is absolutely nothing wrong with not shopping at Walmart.

I agree completely. That's why it's interesting that that sentiment was met with "stick in his ass" and "fucking retard". It would seem not all of our countrymen believe that.

But those who think they are somehow being noble or honorable or doing their duty by not shopping at Walmart are at worst hypocritical unless they hold everybody to the same standard. But assuming that they really believe Walmart is evil, in my opinion it at best makes them a willing subject of the organized anti-Walmart propaganda campaign.

And why would I not hold others to the same standard? This thread is about Mal-Wart, so that's what I addressed. Had it been about, say, Starbucks, I could cut and paste most of the same reasoning to make similar points, but it's not. Nobody said this applies to Mal-Wart and nobody else. It's all about their behaviour.

Unless you tell me that you ask every proprietor you visit how much he/she pays his/her employees, what benefits they offer, where does he get the merchandise and guarantee that it isn't made in China or wherever, and you refuse to buy from anybody who doesn't meet the standards you apply to Walmart, then you are attacking Walmart for reasons other than the more 'noble' ones you seem to want us to believe.

I have no need to tell you any such thing. You have no basis for this leap, milord. We haven't been discussing commercial enterprises in general; we've been discussing Mal-Wart, specifically. That's it. Therefore your extrapolation to other businesses nobody brought up is without foundation. And your more recent exchange with another poster suggest you're seeking an agenda that may not be present. But at least you haven't tried to bring Joe Stalin in, so you may still be within the secret circle of sanity.

Now I understand your empirical observations and mine of the footprint of Mal-Wart may differ. That may reflect some regional variation, I dunno. Your experience is in the southwest; mine in the south and east. All I can speak for is what I know. And this I have done.

 

[Pogo]

I really don't think all liberals are communists or that they all hate capitalism. I know too many liberals running businesses or working for capitalists. Some of these I am quite fond of.

But where liberals part company with me is in looking to government instead of private enterprise to get things done, meet needs, or address problems. And they tend to be far more trusting of government than I think is healthy, and far more distrusting of their fellow man than I think is realistic.

The liberal can't seem to wrap his/her mind around a concept that we all benefit each other best when we look to our own interests and prosper ourselves using our own instincts, intuitiveness, intelligence, ability, talents, and work ethic. The liberal too often honestly believes that if government does not force us to do what the liberal thinks we should, that it won't happen at all.

And this does fit in with a discussion on Walmart. Should the government force Walmart to increase its wages and benefits? Should the government force Walmart to unionize? Should the government overtly or covertly demonize Walmart which seems to be the PC modus operendi these days? Should the government dictate to Walmart what products that can or must carry?

All that is part of the mix, and if you scratch the surface deep enough, that is what this thread is ultimately all about.

No, I'm afraid it isn't. That is a wild extrapolation beyond the simple question "Do you shop at Wal-Mart?". You're trying to bring in new story lines and a cast of thousands here. There's actually a guy behind you, seeing a rhetorical door jimmied open, trying to bring Joe Stalin's cadaver in along with it.

Don't complicate it; sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Accept it.

 

[Foxfyre]

I really don't think all liberals are communists or that they all hate capitalism. I know too many liberals running businesses or working for capitalists. Some of these I am quite fond of.

But where liberals part company with me is in looking to government instead of private enterprise to get things done, meet needs, or address problems. And they tend to be far more trusting of government than I think is healthy, and far more distrusting of their fellow man than I think is realistic.

The liberal can't seem to wrap his/her mind around a concept that we all benefit each other best when we look to our own interests and prosper ourselves using our own instincts, intuitiveness, intelligence, ability, talents, and work ethic. The liberal too often honestly believes that if government does not force us to do what the liberal thinks we should, that it won't happen at all.

And this does fit in with a discussion on Walmart. Should the government force Walmart to increase its wages and benefits? Should the government force Walmart to unionize? Should the government overtly or covertly demonize Walmart which seems to be the PC modus operendi these days? Should the government dictate to Walmart what products that can or must carry?

All that is part of the mix, and if you scratch the surface deep enough, that is what this thread is ultimately all about.

No, I'm afraid it isn't. That is a wild extrapolation beyond the simple question "Do you shop at Wal-Mart?". You're trying to bring in new story lines and a cast of thousands here. There's actually a guy behind you, seeing a rhetorical door jimmied open, trying to bring Joe Stalin's cadaver in along with it.

Don't complicate it; sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Accept it.

The only one who seems fixated on Joe Stalin is you. Why is that do you think?

And apparently all the folks who have posted here don't share your view of what Walmart is in the south and east. (I have been in Walmarts in Arkansas, Louisiana, South Texas, Virginia (just across the Potomac from DC), West Virginia, and Washington DC, all of which were perfectly acceptable. At the same time I have been in Walmarts elsewhere, including here, that I would not choose to shop in again because they were so poorly managed.

And in case you sort of missed the way the discussion has developed in this thread, it has not been limited to the simple question of whether one shops at Walmart. It would have been a very short thread had it not provoked the discussion that I believe the OP intended. The discussion has logically evolved into WHY we do or do not shop at Walmart alongside WHY we should or should not shop at Walmart with some very good rationale offered within that context.

 

[JustTheFacts]

I really don't think all liberals are communists or that they all hate capitalism. I know too many liberals running businesses or working for capitalists. Some of these I am quite fond of.

But where liberals part company with me is in looking to government instead of private enterprise to get things done, meet needs, or address problems. And they tend to be far more trusting of government than I think is healthy, and far more distrusting of their fellow man than I think is realistic.

The liberal can't seem to wrap his/her mind around a concept that we all benefit each other best when we look to our own interests and prosper ourselves using our own instincts, intuitiveness, intelligence, ability, talents, and work ethic. The liberal too often honestly believes that if government does not force us to do what the liberal thinks we should, that it won't happen at all.

And this does fit in with a discussion on Walmart. Should the government force Walmart to increase its wages and benefits? Should the government force Walmart to unionize? Should the government overtly or covertly demonize Walmart which seems to be the PC modus operendi these days? Should the government dictate to Walmart what products that can or must carry?

All that is part of the mix, and if you scratch the surface deep enough, that is what this thread is ultimately all about.

No, I'm afraid it isn't. That is a wild extrapolation beyond the simple question "Do you shop at Wal-Mart?". You're trying to bring in new story lines and a cast of thousands here. There's actually a guy behind you, seeing a rhetorical door jimmied open, trying to bring Joe Stalin's cadaver in along with it.

Don't complicate it; sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Accept it.

The only one who seems fixated on Joe Stalin is you. Why is that do you think?

And apparently all the folks who have posted here don't share your view of what Walmart is in the south and east. (I have been in Walmarts in Arkansas, Louisiana, South Texas, Virginia (just across the Potomac from DC), West Virginia, and Washington DC, all of which were perfectly acceptable. At the same time I have been in Walmarts elsewhere, including here, that I would not choose to shop in again because they were so poorly managed.

And in case you sort of missed the way the discussion has developed in this thread, it has not been limited to the simple question of whether one shops at Walmart. It would have been a very short thread had it not provoked the discussion that I believe the OP intended. The discussion has logically evolved into WHY we do or do not shop at Walmart alongside WHY we should or should not shop at Walmart with some very good rationale offered within that context.

The long and short of it seems to be that Wal Mart is very good at selling products, not so good at selling service.

That seems to be the business model they have chosen , and quite successfully I might add. Anyone griping about taking away from mom and pop just needs to understand that mom and pop just have to evolve and they will be fine.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

I do occasionaly... but not that often. Mostly because they may have 20 check-out lines, maybe 3 are staffed... and there's the freak-show aspect of the place.

 

[JustTheFacts]

I do occasionaly... but not that often. Mostly because they may have 20 check-out lines, maybe 3 are staffed... and there's the freak-show aspect of the place.

Isn't that the craziest? You go in and they have 3 registers open, the line is 10 deep at each one and there are half a dozen employees standing there shooting the shit.

My biggest gripes with wal mart though are

get rid of the damned motorized carts. fat people can walk, they just choose not to.

enforce the fucking 20 item limit. pisses me off when I'm in a hurry and the register designed for just such a case is clogged up some fuck who has an entire cart full of groceries and oh yeah a stack of coupons and is paying with change he found under his couch.

 

[Foxfyre]

No, I'm afraid it isn't. That is a wild extrapolation beyond the simple question "Do you shop at Wal-Mart?". You're trying to bring in new story lines and a cast of thousands here. There's actually a guy behind you, seeing a rhetorical door jimmied open, trying to bring Joe Stalin's cadaver in along with it.

Don't complicate it; sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Accept it.

The only one who seems fixated on Joe Stalin is you. Why is that do you think?

And apparently all the folks who have posted here don't share your view of what Walmart is in the south and east. (I have been in Walmarts in Arkansas, Louisiana, South Texas, Virginia (just across the Potomac from DC), West Virginia, and Washington DC, all of which were perfectly acceptable. At the same time I have been in Walmarts elsewhere, including here, that I would not choose to shop in again because they were so poorly managed.

And in case you sort of missed the way the discussion has developed in this thread, it has not been limited to the simple question of whether one shops at Walmart. It would have been a very short thread had it not provoked the discussion that I believe the OP intended. The discussion has logically evolved into WHY we do or do not shop at Walmart alongside WHY we should or should not shop at Walmart with some very good rationale offered within that context.

The long and short of it seems to be that Wal Mart is very good at selling products, not so good at selling service.

That seems to be the business model they have chosen , and quite successfully I might add. Anyone griping about taking away from mom and pop just needs to understand that mom and pop just have to evolve and they will be fine.

Walmart is not a service industry. They are in the business of offering people the products they want at an affordable price. And they are savvy enough to provoke spontaneous or impulse sales along the way too and I have certainly gotten hooked into that more than once. Mom and Pop stores savvy enough to offer what Walmart does not exist quite proficiently alongside Walmarts everywhere. Those who do not have the advantage of size and therefore volume buying, however, and who attempt to compete with Walmart probably aren't going to survive.

 

[Foxfyre]

I do occasionaly... but not that often. Mostly because they may have 20 check-out lines, maybe 3 are staffed... and there's the freak-show aspect of the place.

There is that, though I can honestly say that in many years of occasionally shopping at Walmart, I have never witnessed any of the 'freak show' of presumably Walmart shoppers that we get in our emails. They are funny. But sure aren't typical around here. Our local Walmart shoppers look just like those who shop at Sears or Penneys or Lowes or Walgreens. I don't know if all that 'freak show' hype is innocent humor, though, or whether it is an organized as part of the campaign to demonize Walmart and make people reluctant to shop there.

As for the long lines, that sometimes happens during busy periods--I try to organize my shopping expeditions both to the grocery store, Walmart, Lowes, etc. etc. etc. when long lines are much less likely--but I also know that if every register was staffed every minute of every day, the low prices I go to Walmart for would be higher. Same with Costco, Sams Club, and other 'discount' outlets.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Do you shop at Walmart??

Of course, it's the biggest store chain in America because of the lowest prices in America. Imagine if instead people choze to shop for only the highest priced stuff in America, as liberals seem to want. We'd be back in the stone age in less than a year.

 

[SteadyMercury]

Imagine if instead people choze to shop for only the highest priced stuff in America, as liberals seem to want.

Dude I can't imagine the bizarre existence you must experience where every event and object can be analyzed through the lens of negativity at this nebulous political label "liberals."

Do you even hear yourself?