Admiral Rockwell Tory
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You have a statement from the Director of the FBI saying it was not a criminal investigation? That is what the FBI does!
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Does Anyone NOT Think Hillary is Corrupt?
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You have a statement from the Director of the FBI saying it was not a criminal investigation? That is what the FBI does!
Jarhead
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oh. OK. Ignore the fact that they are two completely different investiagtionsthe IG is who turned it over to the FBI....wow...you are reaching.Here, this link might help you understand....and exactly who's quote was that?Take it up with the FBI....uh...the FBI does not investigate how things are done.....
The FBI investigate to see if a federal crime has been committed....and if they believe one has been, they recommend prosecution to the AG.
Do you not know what the FBI does?
THEY ARE THE ONES who said the case WAS NOT CRIMINAL....
The inquiry by the FBI is considered preliminary and appears to be focused on ensuring the proper handling of classified material. Officials have said that Clinton, the Democratic presidential front-runner, is not a target.
https://oig.state.gov/system/files/esp-15-04-05.pdf
This is all about FOIA requests....Freedom of Information Act requests and how the present Kerry State department has and is handling the release of Hillary's emails and what content is being released.
Departments within the various agencies that determine after the fact, what is being released to the public through these FOIA requests and what these different agencies feel should be classified and not released or blacked out.
The IG (inspector general) felt that the Kerry State department was not taking the proper precautions....
The argument is between these agencies regarding the procedural release of Clinton emails, but NOT about Clinton herself.
They are two completely different investigations.
an IG investigation is not an FBI investigation
Ahhhh, but that is the ever so prevalent Right Wing, "Talking Point" in all of their propaganda on this....Take it up with the FBI....uh...the FBI does not investigate how things are done.....No Jarhead,if the FBI is investigating......then the investigation revolves around the potential of a federal crime being committed.MYTH: Clinton Is The Subject Of A Federal Criminal Investigation
Fox's Chris Stirewalt: Clinton Might Be "The Subject Of A Federal Criminal Investigation." On the August 12 edition of Fox News' America's Newsroom, digital editor Chris Stirewalt claimed that Clinton might become "the first major party nominee that is the subject of a federal criminal investigation." [Fox News, America's Newsroom, 8/12/15]
FACT: IG Referral To Justice Department Was Not Criminal, And FBI Isn't Targeting Clinton Herself
Reuters: Inspector General Referral Is Not Criminal. Reuters reported on July 24 that there was "no criminal referral over [the] Clinton emails":
The Justice Department said Friday it has received a request to examine the handling of classified information related to the private emails from Hillary Clinton during her time as secretary of state, but it is not a criminal referral. [Reuters, 7/24/15]
AP: U.S. Official Said That Request Of DOJ "Doesn't Suggest Wrongdoing By Clinton Herself." The Associated Press quoted an anonymous U.S. official who noted that the referral did not implicate Clinton in any wrongdoing:
The New York Times first reported the referral. The Clinton campaign said Friday that she "followed appropriate practices in dealing with classified materials." Spokesman Nick Merrill said emails deemed classified by the administration were done so after the fact, not when they were sent.
One U.S. official said it was unclear whether classified information was mishandled and the referral doesn't suggest wrongdoing by Clinton herself. [Associated Press, 7/24/15]
Wash. Post: Officials Say Clinton "Is Not A Target" Of FBI Probe. The Washington Post reported that government officials said Clinton is "not a target" of the FBI's investigation:
Hillary Rodham Clinton's attorney has agreed to provide the FBI with the private server that housed her e-mail during her four years as secretary of state, Clinton's presidential campaign said Tuesday.
[...]
The inquiry by the FBI is considered preliminary and appears to be focused on ensuring the proper handling of classified material. Officials have said that Clinton, the Democratic presidential front-runner, is not a target.
The FBI's efforts have included contacting the Denver-based technology firm that helped manage the Clintons' unusual private e-mail system. [The Washington Post, 8/11/15]
Myths And Facts On Hillary Clinton's Email And Reports Of "Top Secret" Materials
Your blindness to reality and insistence to find loopholes is amusing.
The FBI is investigating how FOIA requests are handled among all the different agencies, on the Clinton emails having FOIA requests.
only right wing rags have spread the lie that this COULD be a criminal inquiry, HOWEVER the FBI said itself that this was NOT a criminal investigation, but a procedural handling of FOIA requests.
The FBI investigate to see if a federal crime has been committed....and if they believe one has been, they recommend prosecution to the AG.
Do you not know what the FBI does?
THEY ARE THE ONES who said the case WAS NOT CRIMINAL....
The inquiry by the FBI is considered preliminary and appears to be focused on ensuring the proper handling of classified material. Officials have said that Clinton, the Democratic presidential front-runner, is not a target.
You have a statement from the Director of the FBI saying it was not a criminal investigation? That is what the FBI does!
Admiral Rockwell Tory
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the IG is who turned it over to the FBI....wow...you are reaching.Here, this link might help you understand....and exactly who's quote was that?Take it up with the FBI....uh...the FBI does not investigate how things are done.....
The FBI investigate to see if a federal crime has been committed....and if they believe one has been, they recommend prosecution to the AG.
Do you not know what the FBI does?
THEY ARE THE ONES who said the case WAS NOT CRIMINAL....
The inquiry by the FBI is considered preliminary and appears to be focused on ensuring the proper handling of classified material. Officials have said that Clinton, the Democratic presidential front-runner, is not a target.
https://oig.state.gov/system/files/esp-15-04-05.pdf
This is all about FOIA requests....Freedom of Information Act requests and how the present Kerry State department has and is handling the release of Hillary's emails and what content is being released.
Departments within the various agencies that determine after the fact, what is being released to the public through these FOIA requests and what these different agencies feel should be classified and not released or blacked out.
The IG (inspector general) felt that the Kerry State department was not taking the proper precautions....
The argument is between these agencies regarding the procedural release of Clinton emails, but NOT about Clinton herself.
They are two completely different investigations.
an IG investigation is not an FBI investigation
The FBI investigates crimes, not procedural errors in the State Department. That is the IG's job.
Jarhead
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I mentioned that already....and Care4all told me to take it up with the FBI as she offered a quote that she refuses to show how it came from the FBI....because, as we all know, it did not.Take it up with the FBI....uh...the FBI does not investigate how things are done.....No Jarhead,if the FBI is investigating......then the investigation revolves around the potential of a federal crime being committed.MYTH: Clinton Is The Subject Of A Federal Criminal Investigation
Fox's Chris Stirewalt: Clinton Might Be "The Subject Of A Federal Criminal Investigation." On the August 12 edition of Fox News' America's Newsroom, digital editor Chris Stirewalt claimed that Clinton might become "the first major party nominee that is the subject of a federal criminal investigation." [Fox News, America's Newsroom, 8/12/15]
FACT: IG Referral To Justice Department Was Not Criminal, And FBI Isn't Targeting Clinton Herself
Reuters: Inspector General Referral Is Not Criminal. Reuters reported on July 24 that there was "no criminal referral over [the] Clinton emails":
The Justice Department said Friday it has received a request to examine the handling of classified information related to the private emails from Hillary Clinton during her time as secretary of state, but it is not a criminal referral. [Reuters, 7/24/15]
AP: U.S. Official Said That Request Of DOJ "Doesn't Suggest Wrongdoing By Clinton Herself." The Associated Press quoted an anonymous U.S. official who noted that the referral did not implicate Clinton in any wrongdoing:
The New York Times first reported the referral. The Clinton campaign said Friday that she "followed appropriate practices in dealing with classified materials." Spokesman Nick Merrill said emails deemed classified by the administration were done so after the fact, not when they were sent.
One U.S. official said it was unclear whether classified information was mishandled and the referral doesn't suggest wrongdoing by Clinton herself. [Associated Press, 7/24/15]
Wash. Post: Officials Say Clinton "Is Not A Target" Of FBI Probe. The Washington Post reported that government officials said Clinton is "not a target" of the FBI's investigation:
Hillary Rodham Clinton's attorney has agreed to provide the FBI with the private server that housed her e-mail during her four years as secretary of state, Clinton's presidential campaign said Tuesday.
[...]
The inquiry by the FBI is considered preliminary and appears to be focused on ensuring the proper handling of classified material. Officials have said that Clinton, the Democratic presidential front-runner, is not a target.
The FBI's efforts have included contacting the Denver-based technology firm that helped manage the Clintons' unusual private e-mail system. [The Washington Post, 8/11/15]
Myths And Facts On Hillary Clinton's Email And Reports Of "Top Secret" Materials
Your blindness to reality and insistence to find loopholes is amusing.
The FBI is investigating how FOIA requests are handled among all the different agencies, on the Clinton emails having FOIA requests.
only right wing rags have spread the lie that this COULD be a criminal inquiry, HOWEVER the FBI said itself that this was NOT a criminal investigation, but a procedural handling of FOIA requests.
The FBI investigate to see if a federal crime has been committed....and if they believe one has been, they recommend prosecution to the AG.
Do you not know what the FBI does?
THEY ARE THE ONES who said the case WAS NOT CRIMINAL....
The inquiry by the FBI is considered preliminary and appears to be focused on ensuring the proper handling of classified material. Officials have said that Clinton, the Democratic presidential front-runner, is not a target.
You have a statement from the Director of the FBI saying it was not a criminal investigation? That is what the FBI does!
Jarhead
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I mentioned that as well.the IG is who turned it over to the FBI....wow...you are reaching.Here, this link might help you understand....and exactly who's quote was that?Take it up with the FBI....
THEY ARE THE ONES who said the case WAS NOT CRIMINAL....
https://oig.state.gov/system/files/esp-15-04-05.pdf
This is all about FOIA requests....Freedom of Information Act requests and how the present Kerry State department has and is handling the release of Hillary's emails and what content is being released.
Departments within the various agencies that determine after the fact, what is being released to the public through these FOIA requests and what these different agencies feel should be classified and not released or blacked out.
The IG (inspector general) felt that the Kerry State department was not taking the proper precautions....
The argument is between these agencies regarding the procedural release of Clinton emails, but NOT about Clinton herself.
They are two completely different investigations.
an IG investigation is not an FBI investigation
The FBI investigates crimes, not procedural errors in the State Department. That is the IG's job.
Totally ignored.
As Care4All does whenever he/she has his/her assumptions refuted with fact.
The IG turned over to the FBI 2-4 emails released on FOIA requests that the IG believed a couple of them were later classified Top Secret.... these emails according to the IG should have been WITHHELD by Kerry's State Department...and not released.oh. OK. Ignore the fact that they are two completely different investiagtionsthe IG is who turned it over to the FBI....wow...you are reaching.Here, this link might help you understand....and exactly who's quote was that?Take it up with the FBI....
THEY ARE THE ONES who said the case WAS NOT CRIMINAL....
https://oig.state.gov/system/files/esp-15-04-05.pdf
This is all about FOIA requests....Freedom of Information Act requests and how the present Kerry State department has and is handling the release of Hillary's emails and what content is being released.
Departments within the various agencies that determine after the fact, what is being released to the public through these FOIA requests and what these different agencies feel should be classified and not released or blacked out.
The IG (inspector general) felt that the Kerry State department was not taking the proper precautions....
The argument is between these agencies regarding the procedural release of Clinton emails, but NOT about Clinton herself.
They are two completely different investigations.
an IG investigation is not an FBI investigation
Kerry's State Dept did not handle the FOIA request properly, in the IG's opinion...
HOWEVER the State Dept claimed that what they released, or most of the emails were not classified at all....but the FBI and other intelligence agencies disagreed with Kerry's State Dept and felt at least two of them did include Classified material....
The two agencies are duking it out....but in the end, it is the State Dept that makes the final call on whether the information is Top Secret or not....according to the rules, and not the Intelligence agencies.
Since then, it was determined by the FBI that these 2 emails that many felt was Top Secret info that was transmitted to Hillary by Bloomenthal, was actually information that was gathered from already PUBLIC information and sources....
that just happened a couple of weeks ago.
So even the two emails thought to be TOP SECRET,
WERE NOT.
Jarhead
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and exactly why did the IG turn over those emails to the FBI (an act later determined to be inappropriate), if, in fact, the FBI was not already investigating something regarding Clinton emails?The IG turned over to the FBI 2-4 emails released on FOIA requests that the IG believed a couple of them were later classified Top Secret.... these emails according to the IG should have been WITHHELD by Kerry's State Department...and not released.oh. OK. Ignore the fact that they are two completely different investiagtionsthe IG is who turned it over to the FBI....wow...you are reaching.Here, this link might help you understand....and exactly who's quote was that?
https://oig.state.gov/system/files/esp-15-04-05.pdf
This is all about FOIA requests....Freedom of Information Act requests and how the present Kerry State department has and is handling the release of Hillary's emails and what content is being released.
Departments within the various agencies that determine after the fact, what is being released to the public through these FOIA requests and what these different agencies feel should be classified and not released or blacked out.
The IG (inspector general) felt that the Kerry State department was not taking the proper precautions....
The argument is between these agencies regarding the procedural release of Clinton emails, but NOT about Clinton herself.
They are two completely different investigations.
an IG investigation is not an FBI investigation
Kerry's State Dept did not handle the FOIA request properly, in the IG's opinion...
HOWEVER the State Dept claimed that what they released, or most of the emails were not classified at all....but the FBI and other intelligence agencies disagreed with Kerry's State Dept and felt at least two of them did include Classified material....
The two agencies are duking it out....but in the end, it is the State Dept that makes the final call on whether the information is Top Secret or not....according to the rules, and not the Intelligence agencies.
Since then, it was determined by the FBI that these 2 emails that many felt was Top Secret info that was transmitted to Hillary by Bloomenthal, was actually information that was gathered from already PUBLIC information and sources....
that just happened a couple of weeks ago.
So even the two emails thought to be TOP SECRET,
WERE NOT.
You seem confused.
Question I have is...is it intentional or are you just simply confused.
rightwinger
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as you continue to ignore the question of WHY she would undertake such an unusual action of setting up her own server and risking someone hacking it or someone sending her something classified and GAINING absolutely nothing as it pertains to her service to the American People.yes, to a moron case closed.What has the FBI found?
Here is your case against Hillary Clinton
FBI: Secretary Clinton, why did you use a private server for your email?
Sec Clinton: My agency told me it was allowable
Case closed
But a thinking person would recognize that "my agency told me it was allowable" does not answer the question of "WHY did you use a private server".
It simply answers the question of "why did you think it was OK to use a private server"
Which brings us back to the question of "why did you WANT to use a private server"
And that question was answered with several answers that were proven to be untrue
But, of course, that doesn't matter to you.
FBI: Sec Clinton, why did you use a private server?
Sec Clinton: I was given the option and thought having one server would be easier
Your case is against the policies of the State Department at that time. Seems they have changed since that time. Kind of a red herring on your part
sending classified government data over an unsecure server is a violation of federal law. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
Once again, any crime would be on the agency for policies which allow it.
You have no proof that Sec Clinton sent classified information. At best, you have proof that she received unmarked emails that were later considered classified
Weak case, don't you think?
A case that should have been closed years ago.......How long do you think Republicans will keep the investigation going?
Any guesses?
Totally ignoring it. Post after post, you ignore it.
She has said she thought it would be easier.
WHY would her agency permit it if it was such an extreme security violation?
What has Hillary done that you think would qualify as corrupt?
rightwinger
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and furthermore.....why would the FBI be looking at additional Clinton emails if all they were investigating was the inappropriate handling of a few emails by the state department?
Why?
Because the Republican Congress is making such a big stink over it
Any other questions?
Redfish
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as you continue to ignore the question of WHY she would undertake such an unusual action of setting up her own server and risking someone hacking it or someone sending her something classified and GAINING absolutely nothing as it pertains to her service to the American People.yes, to a moron case closed.
But a thinking person would recognize that "my agency told me it was allowable" does not answer the question of "WHY did you use a private server".
It simply answers the question of "why did you think it was OK to use a private server"
Which brings us back to the question of "why did you WANT to use a private server"
And that question was answered with several answers that were proven to be untrue
But, of course, that doesn't matter to you.
FBI: Sec Clinton, why did you use a private server?
Sec Clinton: I was given the option and thought having one server would be easier
Your case is against the policies of the State Department at that time. Seems they have changed since that time. Kind of a red herring on your part
sending classified government data over an unsecure server is a violation of federal law. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
Once again, any crime would be on the agency for policies which allow it.
You have no proof that Sec Clinton sent classified information. At best, you have proof that she received unmarked emails that were later considered classified
Weak case, don't you think?
A case that should have been closed years ago.......How long do you think Republicans will keep the investigation going?
Any guesses?
Totally ignoring it. Post after post, you ignore it.
She has said she thought it would be easier.
WHY would her agency permit it if it was such an extreme security violation?
What has Hillary done that you think would qualify as corrupt?
are you naïve or just plain stupid? She used a private server because it would keep her emails out of the government data collection files.
It doesn't matter if the state dept said it was OK, and there is no proof of that, she was responsible for following federal law just like you or me.
corrupt: "it was caused by a video"
"I landed under sniper fire"
"Ah aint no ways tarred"
"the dept said it was OK"
millions donated to Clinton foundation from foreign countries in exchange for special treatment.
Jarhead
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Her agency permitted it because...well...she was head of the agency.as you continue to ignore the question of WHY she would undertake such an unusual action of setting up her own server and risking someone hacking it or someone sending her something classified and GAINING absolutely nothing as it pertains to her service to the American People.yes, to a moron case closed.
But a thinking person would recognize that "my agency told me it was allowable" does not answer the question of "WHY did you use a private server".
It simply answers the question of "why did you think it was OK to use a private server"
Which brings us back to the question of "why did you WANT to use a private server"
And that question was answered with several answers that were proven to be untrue
But, of course, that doesn't matter to you.
FBI: Sec Clinton, why did you use a private server?
Sec Clinton: I was given the option and thought having one server would be easier
Your case is against the policies of the State Department at that time. Seems they have changed since that time. Kind of a red herring on your part
sending classified government data over an unsecure server is a violation of federal law. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
Once again, any crime would be on the agency for policies which allow it.
You have no proof that Sec Clinton sent classified information. At best, you have proof that she received unmarked emails that were later considered classified
Weak case, don't you think?
A case that should have been closed years ago.......How long do you think Republicans will keep the investigation going?
Any guesses?
Totally ignoring it. Post after post, you ignore it.
She has said she thought it would be easier.
WHY would her agency permit it if it was such an extreme security violation?
What has Hillary done that you think would qualify as corrupt?
There is no doubt her tech people explained to her how doing such would increase the chance of a breach....no doubt her legal team advised her of the chance of someone accidentally sending her classified information exists and to be careful....no doubt her tech team told her it can be done, its just not practical.
So as opposed to asking me what I think Hillary did that was corrupt since I never claimed she did anything corrupt..........why wont you answer the question of why she would go through the process of doing something very unusual if there is absolutely no advantage as it pertains to her service to the American People.
And an FYI...I don't know if she did anything corrupt.......but basic logic says that if someone does something highly unusual and then subsequently lies as to why they did it, chances are good they are hiding something.
Redfish
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and furthermore.....why would the FBI be looking at additional Clinton emails if all they were investigating was the inappropriate handling of a few emails by the state department?
Why?
Because the Republican Congress is making such a big stink over it
Any other questions?
are CNN. the NY times, and the FBI republicans?
Jarhead
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Wow...you truly are a blog follower.and furthermore.....why would the FBI be looking at additional Clinton emails if all they were investigating was the inappropriate handling of a few emails by the state department?
Why?
Because the Republican Congress is making such a big stink over it
Any other questions?
The IG referred it to the FBI for security purposes, getting her server in to a secure place, if it did indeed contain top secret info.
turns out the info was not top secret but public info....
it was not turned over to the FBI by the IG as a criminal probe.
https://oig.state.gov/system/files/...ng_review_of_clintons_emails_july_24_2015.pdf
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Redfish
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and exactly why did the IG turn over those emails to the FBI (an act later determined to be inappropriate), if, in fact, the FBI was not already investigating something regarding Clinton emails?The IG turned over to the FBI 2-4 emails released on FOIA requests that the IG believed a couple of them were later classified Top Secret.... these emails according to the IG should have been WITHHELD by Kerry's State Department...and not released.oh. OK. Ignore the fact that they are two completely different investiagtionsthe IG is who turned it over to the FBI....wow...you are reaching.Here, this link might help you understand....
https://oig.state.gov/system/files/esp-15-04-05.pdf
This is all about FOIA requests....Freedom of Information Act requests and how the present Kerry State department has and is handling the release of Hillary's emails and what content is being released.
Departments within the various agencies that determine after the fact, what is being released to the public through these FOIA requests and what these different agencies feel should be classified and not released or blacked out.
The IG (inspector general) felt that the Kerry State department was not taking the proper precautions....
The argument is between these agencies regarding the procedural release of Clinton emails, but NOT about Clinton herself.
They are two completely different investigations.
an IG investigation is not an FBI investigation
Kerry's State Dept did not handle the FOIA request properly, in the IG's opinion...
HOWEVER the State Dept claimed that what they released, or most of the emails were not classified at all....but the FBI and other intelligence agencies disagreed with Kerry's State Dept and felt at least two of them did include Classified material....
The two agencies are duking it out....but in the end, it is the State Dept that makes the final call on whether the information is Top Secret or not....according to the rules, and not the Intelligence agencies.
Since then, it was determined by the FBI that these 2 emails that many felt was Top Secret info that was transmitted to Hillary by Bloomenthal, was actually information that was gathered from already PUBLIC information and sources....
that just happened a couple of weeks ago.
So even the two emails thought to be TOP SECRET,
WERE NOT.
You seem confused.
Question I have is...is it intentional or are you just simply confused.
he is a democrat stooge, a parrot, a tool.
Jarhead
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If you notice, all he has is what you see and hear from left wing blogs and pundits.and furthermore.....why would the FBI be looking at additional Clinton emails if all they were investigating was the inappropriate handling of a few emails by the state department?
Why?
Because the Republican Congress is making such a big stink over it
Any other questions?
are CNN. the NY times, and the FBI republicans?
Jarhead
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You are very busy wasting your time.
The inappropriate handling of emails by the Kerry State Department has absolutely nothing to do with the possible transfer of classified documents to an insecure server.
Admiral Rockwell Tory
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