Does anyone NOT think that the Democratic Party has CLEARLY moved Left?

[Theowl32]

Holy shit

Are you telling your fucking clients that the party of big tax is better than the party of lower absurd regulations under the guise of concerns for the planet or lower taxes?

In what specific ways has Trump been bad for this country's economy? List the fucking reasons you piece of shit.

I will be waiting for that. Then again an ignorant fuck like you blames ONLY REPUBLICANS on the 2008 debacle and actually still blames Bush despite these facts.

2007

• August: President Bush emphatically calls on Congress to pass a reform package for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, saying "first things first when it comes to those two institutions. Congress needs to get them reformed, get them streamlined, get them focused, and then I will consider other options." (President George W. Bush, Press Conference, the White House, 8/9/07)
  
  
• August: Senate Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Chairman Christopher Dodd ignores the President's warnings and calls on him to "immediately reconsider his ill-advised" position. (Eric Dash, "Fannie Mae's Offer To Help Ease Credit Squeeze Is Rejected, As Critics Complain Of Opportunism," The New York Times, 8/11/07)
  
  
• December: President Bush again warns Congress of the need to pass legislation reforming GSEs, saying "These institutions provide liquidity in the mortgage market that benefits millions of homeowners, and it is vital they operate safely and operate soundly. So I've called on Congress to pass legislation that strengthens independent regulation of the GSEs – and ensures they focus on their important housing mission. The GSE reform bill passed by the House earlier this year is a good start. But the Senate has not acted. And the United States Senate needs to pass this legislation soon." (President George W. Bush, Discusses Housing, the White House, 12/6/07)

2008

• February: Assistant Treasury Secretary David Nason reiterates the urgency of reforms, saying "A new regulatory structure for the housing GSEs is essential if these entities are to continue to perform their public mission successfully." (David Nason, Testimony On Reforming GSE Regulation, Senate Committee On Banking, Housing And Urban Affairs, 2/7/08)
  
  
• March: President Bush calls on Congress to take action and "move forward with reforms on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. They need to continue to modernize the FHA, as well as allow State housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to homeowners to refinance their mortgages." (President George W. Bush, Remarks To The Economic Club Of New York, New York, NY, 3/14/08)
  
  
• April: President Bush urges Congress to pass the much needed legislation and "modernize Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. [There are] constructive things Congress can do that will encourage the housing market to correct quickly by … helping people stay in their homes." (President George W. Bush, Meeting With Cabinet, the White House, 4/14/08)
  
  
• May: President Bush issues several pleas to Congress to pass legislation reforming Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac before the situation deteriorates further.
  • "Americans are concerned about making their mortgage payments and keeping their homes. Yet Congress has failed to pass legislation I have repeatedly requested to modernize the Federal Housing Administration that will help more families stay in their homes, reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to ensure they focus on their housing mission, and allow state housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to refinance sub-prime loans." (President George W. Bush, Radio Address, 5/3/08)
    
    
  • "[T]he government ought to be helping creditworthy people stay in their homes. And one way we can do that – and Congress is making progress on this – is the reform of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. That reform will come with a strong, independent regulator." (President George W. Bush, Meeting With The Secretary Of The Treasury, the White House, 5/19/08)
    
    
  • "Congress needs to pass legislation to modernize the Federal Housing Administration, reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to ensure they focus on their housing mission, and allow State housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to refinance subprime loans." (President George W. Bush, Radio Address, 5/31/08)
• June: As foreclosure rates continued to rise in the first quarter, the President once again asks Congress to take the necessary measures to address this challenge, saying "we need to pass legislation to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac." (President George W. Bush, Remarks At Swearing In Ceremony For Secretary Of Housing And Urban Development, Washington, D.C., 6/6/08)
  
  
• July: Congress heeds the President's call for action and passes reform legislation for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as it becomes clear that the institutions are failing.
  
  
• September: Democrats in Congress forget their previous objections to GSE reforms, as Senator Dodd questions "why weren't we doing more, why did we wait almost a year before there were any significant steps taken to try to deal with this problem? … I have a lot of questions about where was the administration over the last eight years." (Dawn Kopecki, "Fannie Mae, Freddie 'House Of Cards' Prompts Takeover," Bloomberg, 9/9/08)

Make sure you obfuscate from that and giggle while point out how I cut and paste the official White House archives.

Well, how has Trump been bad for the economy HERE?

Wait for it everyone. A socialist American who is a "financial advisor" and yet I am guessing he does not voluntarily pay more taxes, as he votes proudly for the party of mass regulation and higher taxes.

Your party drops taxes and increases spending.

You've been conned.
.

All symptoms of voting being a right.

And by the way, you won't be able to find me "blaming only Republicans" for the Meltdown.

I realize you're trained to just make shit up as you go, but I wanted to point that out for you.

Your ignorance of what caused the Meltdown is a willful ignorance, as you dutifully and obediently copy and paste the talk radio line, ignoring so much. There is plenty of information out there for you, but unfortunately it doesn't exist within the right wing alternate universe.

You've been conned. Badly. You should feel foolish.
.

Aaaand he obfuscates and uses the old copy and paste from some radio show blah blah blah.

Idiot

It is what it is, and you're free to believe whatever you'd like.

Sometimes I envy this little world you folks have created. You're required to know so little.
.

Address just one of those 10 warnings the democrats ignored after they took over the House and Senate in 2007.

Are those lies Mac?

Go ahead and ignore it and tell me how you won't since I cut and pasted it from.....a radio show?

No, those are official documented acts in the official White House archives.


Address just ONE of them. Then, I perhaps take you seriously you fucking hypocrite.

What I do know is the world is certainly made for those who are not cursed with self awareness.

 

[Dragonlady]

I don't need to list the examples, issues and policies.

There have been people here who deny this, so let's address it head on.

If you think the Democratic Party has not moved clearly to the Left, please explain your reasoning.

Thanks!
.

I think that the Democratic Party NEEDED to move to the left. Since Bill Clinton moved the party 50 paces to the right to win election in 1992, Democrats have basically abandoned leftist policies. But now the full on destruction of 40 years of right wing low tax policies, no infrastructure or program investments for the people, combined with the economic drain of 18 years of continuous war, has come home to roost, it's time to stop pretending that Republicans know how to stimulate an economy, or provide a stable platform for economic growth.

They took Reagan's "government is the problem" speech line and ran with it as if it were gospel. And now they've got a guy in the White House who goes out of his way to insult and polarize.

This has left the door wide open for the Left to act. The problem is that they're going too far, which is typical in the political world.

I mentioned earlier that the biggest concern I've had since the day Trump was elected has been that the response and reaction to him would be like nothing we've ever seen before. So far I think I'm right. And that could lead to a kneejerk reaction that goes too far.
.

Holy shit

Are you telling your fucking clients that the party of big tax is better than the party of lower absurd regulations under the guise of concerns for the planet or lower taxes?

In what specific ways has Trump been bad for this country's economy? List the fucking reasons you piece of shit.

I will be waiting for that. Then again an ignorant fuck like you blames ONLY REPUBLICANS on the 2008 debacle and actually still blames Bush despite these facts.

2007

• August: President Bush emphatically calls on Congress to pass a reform package for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, saying "first things first when it comes to those two institutions. Congress needs to get them reformed, get them streamlined, get them focused, and then I will consider other options." (President George W. Bush, Press Conference, the White House, 8/9/07)
  
  
• August: Senate Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Chairman Christopher Dodd ignores the President's warnings and calls on him to "immediately reconsider his ill-advised" position. (Eric Dash, "Fannie Mae's Offer To Help Ease Credit Squeeze Is Rejected, As Critics Complain Of Opportunism," The New York Times, 8/11/07)
  
  
• December: President Bush again warns Congress of the need to pass legislation reforming GSEs, saying "These institutions provide liquidity in the mortgage market that benefits millions of homeowners, and it is vital they operate safely and operate soundly. So I've called on Congress to pass legislation that strengthens independent regulation of the GSEs – and ensures they focus on their important housing mission. The GSE reform bill passed by the House earlier this year is a good start. But the Senate has not acted. And the United States Senate needs to pass this legislation soon." (President George W. Bush, Discusses Housing, the White House, 12/6/07)

2008

• February: Assistant Treasury Secretary David Nason reiterates the urgency of reforms, saying "A new regulatory structure for the housing GSEs is essential if these entities are to continue to perform their public mission successfully." (David Nason, Testimony On Reforming GSE Regulation, Senate Committee On Banking, Housing And Urban Affairs, 2/7/08)
  
  
• March: President Bush calls on Congress to take action and "move forward with reforms on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. They need to continue to modernize the FHA, as well as allow State housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to homeowners to refinance their mortgages." (President George W. Bush, Remarks To The Economic Club Of New York, New York, NY, 3/14/08)
  
  
• April: President Bush urges Congress to pass the much needed legislation and "modernize Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. [There are] constructive things Congress can do that will encourage the housing market to correct quickly by … helping people stay in their homes." (President George W. Bush, Meeting With Cabinet, the White House, 4/14/08)
  
  
• May: President Bush issues several pleas to Congress to pass legislation reforming Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac before the situation deteriorates further.
  • "Americans are concerned about making their mortgage payments and keeping their homes. Yet Congress has failed to pass legislation I have repeatedly requested to modernize the Federal Housing Administration that will help more families stay in their homes, reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to ensure they focus on their housing mission, and allow state housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to refinance sub-prime loans." (President George W. Bush, Radio Address, 5/3/08)
    
    
  • "[T]he government ought to be helping creditworthy people stay in their homes. And one way we can do that – and Congress is making progress on this – is the reform of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. That reform will come with a strong, independent regulator." (President George W. Bush, Meeting With The Secretary Of The Treasury, the White House, 5/19/08)
    
    
  • "Congress needs to pass legislation to modernize the Federal Housing Administration, reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to ensure they focus on their housing mission, and allow State housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to refinance subprime loans." (President George W. Bush, Radio Address, 5/31/08)
• June: As foreclosure rates continued to rise in the first quarter, the President once again asks Congress to take the necessary measures to address this challenge, saying "we need to pass legislation to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac." (President George W. Bush, Remarks At Swearing In Ceremony For Secretary Of Housing And Urban Development, Washington, D.C., 6/6/08)
  
  
• July: Congress heeds the President's call for action and passes reform legislation for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as it becomes clear that the institutions are failing.
  
  
• September: Democrats in Congress forget their previous objections to GSE reforms, as Senator Dodd questions "why weren't we doing more, why did we wait almost a year before there were any significant steps taken to try to deal with this problem? … I have a lot of questions about where was the administration over the last eight years." (Dawn Kopecki, "Fannie Mae, Freddie 'House Of Cards' Prompts Takeover," Bloomberg, 9/9/08)

Make sure you obfuscate from that and giggle while pointing out how I cut and paste the official White House archives.

Well, how has Trump been bad for the economy HERE?

Wait for it everyone. A socialist American who is a "financial advisor" and yet I am guessing he does not voluntarily pay more taxes, as he votes proudly for the party of mass regulation and higher taxes.

You do know that the reforms that Bush was pushing for would have loosened mortgage lending by Fannie and Freddie, don't you - making the housing crisis WORSE than it was? Bush is the guy who gifted the housing market with almost zero interest rates for years, which exploded an already overheated market. Who looked at declining home ownership statistics as a "problem" in need of a solution, not a symptom of declining income for working Americans.

Trump's Administration just rolled back coal plant emissions requirements which his own people say will cost 1400 American lives per year. Opiod abuse, which is a symptom of desperation of a sick society, is costing over 70,000 lives per year. How are Republicans governing "for the people" in these policies they're pursuing?

 

[Mac1958]

Your party drops taxes and increases spending.

You've been conned.
.

All symptoms of voting being a right.

And by the way, you won't be able to find me "blaming only Republicans" for the Meltdown.

I realize you're trained to just make shit up as you go, but I wanted to point that out for you.

Your ignorance of what caused the Meltdown is a willful ignorance, as you dutifully and obediently copy and paste the talk radio line, ignoring so much. There is plenty of information out there for you, but unfortunately it doesn't exist within the right wing alternate universe.

You've been conned. Badly. You should feel foolish.
.

Aaaand he obfuscates and uses the old copy and paste from some radio show blah blah blah.

Idiot

It is what it is, and you're free to believe whatever you'd like.

Sometimes I envy this little world you folks have created. You're required to know so little.
.

Address just one of those 10 warnings the democrats ignored after they took over the House and Senate in 2007.

Are those lies Mac?

Go ahead and ignore it and tell me how you won't since I cut and pasted it from.....a radio show?

No, those are official documented acts in the official White House archives.


Address just ONE of them. Then, I perhaps take you seriously you fucking hypocrite.

What I do know is the world is certainly made for those who are not cursed with self awareness.

I'm still waiting on answers to the ten (10) specific questions I asked you about the Meltdown.

They were written in such a way that your "answers" could not be copied and pasted; you'd need to demonstrate a real knowledge and understanding of the topic.

And what did you do? You ran. I was so shocked. Shocked, I say.

Would you like me to post them again for you? I'd be happy to!
.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

I don't need to list the examples, issues and policies.

There have been people here who deny this, so let's address it head on.

If you think the Democratic Party has not moved clearly to the Left, please explain your reasoning.

Thanks!
.

Yep, the Democratic Party has moved left. But why is that bad? The left is 'of the people', and to be clear and honest, the right is not.

Lincoln said it best, we are a nation of the people, by the people and for the people. That alone should enlighten the readers that the Republican Party in the 21st Century is no longer the party of Lincoln.

What's wrong with the centre?

Ask the wingers. They believe moderates re 'the enemy' right now.

 

[dblack]

All of the Dim candidates last night would give free healthcare to illegals.
Beyond fucking belief !

On health care, whether you agree with them or not, at least they're providing clarity.

Part of the reason for this move to the Left is that they feel Trump and the GOP have given them an opening to do so.
.

Exactly. A good friend of mine, and a life-long Republican, has been saying - since Trump was elected - that the biggest risk was the blow-back. He's worried about just how far left we'll jump in response to Trump's insanity.

 

[Pilot1]

The Democrat Party is financed, run, and controlled by Globalists, many of which are foreign. They have gone full blown to the EXTREME Left in order to advance the Globalist agenda part of which is wealth and income redistribution using the HOAX of Man Made Climate Change. The other is OPEN BORDERS to effectively change the Demographics of the U.S. to Democrat, One Party RULE.

Yes, it is that simple.

 

[Theowl32]

All symptoms of voting being a right.

And by the way, you won't be able to find me "blaming only Republicans" for the Meltdown.

I realize you're trained to just make shit up as you go, but I wanted to point that out for you.

Your ignorance of what caused the Meltdown is a willful ignorance, as you dutifully and obediently copy and paste the talk radio line, ignoring so much. There is plenty of information out there for you, but unfortunately it doesn't exist within the right wing alternate universe.

You've been conned. Badly. You should feel foolish.
.

Aaaand he obfuscates and uses the old copy and paste from some radio show blah blah blah.

Idiot

It is what it is, and you're free to believe whatever you'd like.

Sometimes I envy this little world you folks have created. You're required to know so little.
.

Address just one of those 10 warnings the democrats ignored after they took over the House and Senate in 2007.

Are those lies Mac?

Go ahead and ignore it and tell me how you won't since I cut and pasted it from.....a radio show?

No, those are official documented acts in the official White House archives.


Address just ONE of them. Then, I perhaps take you seriously you fucking hypocrite.

What I do know is the world is certainly made for those who are not cursed with self awareness.

I'm still waiting on answers to the ten (10) specific questions I asked you about the Meltdown.

They were written in such a way that your "answers" could not be copied and pasted; you'd need to demonstrate a real knowledge and understanding of the topic.

And what did you do? You ran. I was so shocked. Shocked, I say.

Would you like me to post them again for you? I'd be happy to!
.

Go ahead and ask the questions asshole.

In the meantime, you make sure to vote for the party of socialism while you claim to not be a socialist. Also, keep lying that you didn't claim Buuuush left obama the economy which was your party parroted claim.

 

[Mac1958]

And by the way, you won't be able to find me "blaming only Republicans" for the Meltdown.

I realize you're trained to just make shit up as you go, but I wanted to point that out for you.

Your ignorance of what caused the Meltdown is a willful ignorance, as you dutifully and obediently copy and paste the talk radio line, ignoring so much. There is plenty of information out there for you, but unfortunately it doesn't exist within the right wing alternate universe.

You've been conned. Badly. You should feel foolish.
.

Aaaand he obfuscates and uses the old copy and paste from some radio show blah blah blah.

Idiot

It is what it is, and you're free to believe whatever you'd like.

Sometimes I envy this little world you folks have created. You're required to know so little.
.

Address just one of those 10 warnings the democrats ignored after they took over the House and Senate in 2007.

Are those lies Mac?

Go ahead and ignore it and tell me how you won't since I cut and pasted it from.....a radio show?

No, those are official documented acts in the official White House archives.


Address just ONE of them. Then, I perhaps take you seriously you fucking hypocrite.

What I do know is the world is certainly made for those who are not cursed with self awareness.

I'm still waiting on answers to the ten (10) specific questions I asked you about the Meltdown.

They were written in such a way that your "answers" could not be copied and pasted; you'd need to demonstrate a real knowledge and understanding of the topic.

And what did you do? You ran. I was so shocked. Shocked, I say.

Would you like me to post them again for you? I'd be happy to!
.

Go ahead and ask the questions asshole.

In the meantime, you make sure to vote for the party of socialism while you claim to not be a socialist. Also, keep lying that you didn't claim Buuuush left obama the economy which was your party parroted claim.

Cool! Here ya go!

You put the Meltdown on the Dems and the CRA.

Okay, tell me:

1. How did the CRA force the banks to create shitty, opaque CMOs and the even more hideous CDOs?
2. How did the CRA force mortgage companies to sell shit mortgages to the banks to be put in those CMO's, often by the very next day?
   
3. How did the CRA force the ratings agencies to slap AAA (TREASURY-level) ratings on those shit securities, making them highly attractive to buy?
4. How did the CRA force mortgage companies to write no-doc loans with insane balloons, knowing they'd be sold off in 12 hours to a shit CMO at NO risk?
   
5. How did the CRA force the banks to threaten the ratings agencies with lost business if they didn't give them AAA ratings on shit securities?
   
6. How did the CRA force Alan Greenspan to REFUSE to regulate derivatives while CFTC Chairwoman Brooksley Borns was BEGGING him to?
7. How did the CRA force the banks to drop their standards to the ground when they needed more shit CMO's and CDO's to SELL OFF for huge fees?
8. How did the CRA force the banks to SHORT the VERY SAME shit securities they were selling to their CLIENTS, WHILE the whole thing was collapsing?
9. How did the CRA force GS & John Paulson to create shit CMO's that were SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED to FAIL so they could buy swaps on them, making Paulson a cool $2 BILLION?
10. How did the CRA force AIG to write zillions in credit default swaps with ZERO reserves to back them up? Zero! None!

Okay, thanks!
.

 

[martybegan]

Popular vote doesn’t count, and your figure is also wrong.

It doesn't count for selecting the president, but it clearly shows where the country is collectively.

Here's the thing... we've had discussions on issues, and the left has kind of prevailed on a lot of them.... as they always do, as society always progresses.

Blacks having equal rights was a crazy liberal idea at one point. Like within my lifetime, and while i am old, I'm not that old. Now no one really debates they shouldn't.

So most americans support men competing in women's sports?

Most americans support abortion up to the last second of pregnancy?

What you have is polls saying things you like to hear, and those can be manipulated to get whatever answer you want.

The US as a country, is Center-Right, only our "elites" tilt center left to hard left.

 

[BrokeLoser]

I don't need to list the examples, issues and policies.

There have been people here who deny this, so let's address it head on.

If you think the Democratic Party has not moved clearly to the Left, please explain your reasoning.

Thanks!
.

I think that the Democratic Party NEEDED to move to the left. Since Bill Clinton moved the party 50 paces to the right to win election in 1992, Democrats have basically abandoned leftist policies. But now the full on destruction of 40 years of right wing low tax policies, no infrastructure or program investments for the people, combined with the economic drain of 18 years of continuous war, has come home to roost, it's time to stop pretending that Republicans know how to stimulate an economy, or provide a stable platform for economic growth.

They took Reagan's "government is the problem" speech line and ran with it as if it were gospel. And now they've got a guy in the White House who goes out of his way to insult and polarize.

This has left the door wide open for the Left to act. The problem is that they're going too far, which is typical in the political world.

I mentioned earlier that the biggest concern I've had since the day Trump was elected has been that the response and reaction to him would be like nothing we've ever seen before. So far I think I'm right. And that could lead to a kneejerk reaction that goes too far.
.

Holy shit

Are you telling your fucking clients that the party of big tax is better than the party of lower absurd regulations under the guise of concerns for the planet or lower taxes?

In what specific ways has Trump been bad for this country's economy? List the fucking reasons you piece of shit.

I will be waiting for that. Then again an ignorant fuck like you blames ONLY REPUBLICANS on the 2008 debacle and actually still blames Bush despite these facts.

2007

• August: President Bush emphatically calls on Congress to pass a reform package for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, saying "first things first when it comes to those two institutions. Congress needs to get them reformed, get them streamlined, get them focused, and then I will consider other options." (President George W. Bush, Press Conference, the White House, 8/9/07)
  
  
• August: Senate Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Chairman Christopher Dodd ignores the President's warnings and calls on him to "immediately reconsider his ill-advised" position. (Eric Dash, "Fannie Mae's Offer To Help Ease Credit Squeeze Is Rejected, As Critics Complain Of Opportunism," The New York Times, 8/11/07)
  
  
• December: President Bush again warns Congress of the need to pass legislation reforming GSEs, saying "These institutions provide liquidity in the mortgage market that benefits millions of homeowners, and it is vital they operate safely and operate soundly. So I've called on Congress to pass legislation that strengthens independent regulation of the GSEs – and ensures they focus on their important housing mission. The GSE reform bill passed by the House earlier this year is a good start. But the Senate has not acted. And the United States Senate needs to pass this legislation soon." (President George W. Bush, Discusses Housing, the White House, 12/6/07)

2008

• February: Assistant Treasury Secretary David Nason reiterates the urgency of reforms, saying "A new regulatory structure for the housing GSEs is essential if these entities are to continue to perform their public mission successfully." (David Nason, Testimony On Reforming GSE Regulation, Senate Committee On Banking, Housing And Urban Affairs, 2/7/08)
  
  
• March: President Bush calls on Congress to take action and "move forward with reforms on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. They need to continue to modernize the FHA, as well as allow State housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to homeowners to refinance their mortgages." (President George W. Bush, Remarks To The Economic Club Of New York, New York, NY, 3/14/08)
  
  
• April: President Bush urges Congress to pass the much needed legislation and "modernize Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. [There are] constructive things Congress can do that will encourage the housing market to correct quickly by … helping people stay in their homes." (President George W. Bush, Meeting With Cabinet, the White House, 4/14/08)
  
  
• May: President Bush issues several pleas to Congress to pass legislation reforming Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac before the situation deteriorates further.
  • "Americans are concerned about making their mortgage payments and keeping their homes. Yet Congress has failed to pass legislation I have repeatedly requested to modernize the Federal Housing Administration that will help more families stay in their homes, reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to ensure they focus on their housing mission, and allow state housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to refinance sub-prime loans." (President George W. Bush, Radio Address, 5/3/08)
    
    
  • "[T]he government ought to be helping creditworthy people stay in their homes. And one way we can do that – and Congress is making progress on this – is the reform of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. That reform will come with a strong, independent regulator." (President George W. Bush, Meeting With The Secretary Of The Treasury, the White House, 5/19/08)
    
    
  • "Congress needs to pass legislation to modernize the Federal Housing Administration, reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to ensure they focus on their housing mission, and allow State housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to refinance subprime loans." (President George W. Bush, Radio Address, 5/31/08)
• June: As foreclosure rates continued to rise in the first quarter, the President once again asks Congress to take the necessary measures to address this challenge, saying "we need to pass legislation to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac." (President George W. Bush, Remarks At Swearing In Ceremony For Secretary Of Housing And Urban Development, Washington, D.C., 6/6/08)
  
  
• July: Congress heeds the President's call for action and passes reform legislation for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as it becomes clear that the institutions are failing.
  
  
• September: Democrats in Congress forget their previous objections to GSE reforms, as Senator Dodd questions "why weren't we doing more, why did we wait almost a year before there were any significant steps taken to try to deal with this problem? … I have a lot of questions about where was the administration over the last eight years." (Dawn Kopecki, "Fannie Mae, Freddie 'House Of Cards' Prompts Takeover," Bloomberg, 9/9/08)

Make sure you obfuscate from that and giggle while pointing out how I cut and paste the official White House archives.

Well, how has Trump been bad for the economy HERE?

Wait for it everyone. A socialist American who is a "financial advisor" and yet I am guessing he does not voluntarily pay more taxes, as he votes proudly for the party of mass regulation and higher taxes.

You do know that the reforms that Bush was pushing for would have loosened mortgage lending by Fannie and Freddie, don't you - making the housing crisis WORSE than it was? Bush is the guy who gifted the housing market with almost zero interest rates for years, which exploded an already overheated market. Who looked at declining home ownership statistics as a "problem" in need of a solution, not a symptom of declining income for working Americans.

Trump's Administration just rolled back coal plant emissions requirements which his own people say will cost 1400 American lives per year. Opiod abuse, which is a symptom of desperation of a sick society, is costing over 70,000 lives per year. How are Republicans governing "for the people" in these policies they're pursuing?

Aaaand he obfuscates and uses the old copy and paste from some radio show blah blah blah.

Idiot

It is what it is, and you're free to believe whatever you'd like.

Sometimes I envy this little world you folks have created. You're required to know so little.
.

Address just one of those 10 warnings the democrats ignored after they took over the House and Senate in 2007.

Are those lies Mac?

Go ahead and ignore it and tell me how you won't since I cut and pasted it from.....a radio show?

No, those are official documented acts in the official White House archives.


Address just ONE of them. Then, I perhaps take you seriously you fucking hypocrite.

What I do know is the world is certainly made for those who are not cursed with self awareness.

I'm still waiting on answers to the ten (10) specific questions I asked you about the Meltdown.

They were written in such a way that your "answers" could not be copied and pasted; you'd need to demonstrate a real knowledge and understanding of the topic.

And what did you do? You ran. I was so shocked. Shocked, I say.

Would you like me to post them again for you? I'd be happy to!
.

Go ahead and ask the questions asshole.

In the meantime, you make sure to vote for the party of socialism while you claim to not be a socialist. Also, keep lying that you didn't claim Buuuush left obama the economy which was your party parroted claim.

Cool! Here ya go!

You put the Meltdown on the Dems and the CRA.

Okay, tell me:

1. How did the CRA force the banks to create shitty, opaque CMOs and the even more hideous CDOs?
2. How did the CRA force mortgage companies to sell shit mortgages to the banks to be put in those CMO's, often by the very next day?
   
3. How did the CRA force the ratings agencies to slap AAA (TREASURY-level) ratings on those shit securities, making them highly attractive to buy?
4. How did the CRA force mortgage companies to write no-doc loans with insane balloons, knowing they'd be sold off in 12 hours to a shit CMO at NO risk?
   
5. How did the CRA force the banks to threaten the ratings agencies with lost business if they didn't give them AAA ratings on shit securities?
   
6. How did the CRA force Alan Greenspan to REFUSE to regulate derivatives while CFTC Chairwoman Brooksley Borns was BEGGING him to?
7. How did the CRA force the banks to drop their standards to the ground when they needed more shit CMO's and CDO's to SELL OFF for huge fees?
8. How did the CRA force the banks to SHORT the VERY SAME shit securities they were selling to their CLIENTS, WHILE the whole thing was collapsing?
9. How did the CRA force GS & John Paulson to create shit CMO's that were SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED to FAIL so they could buy swaps on them, making Paulson a cool $2 BILLION?
10. How did the CRA force AIG to write zillions in credit default swaps with ZERO reserves to back them up? Zero! None!

Okay, thanks!
.

Hahaha...you people are fascinating.
Bush was your hero for putting wetbacks and degenerate filth into the position of home ownership by way of creative financing...then when his gamble on your filth didn’t work he quickly becomes the asshole who never should have gambled on your filth....FUNNY SHIT!
You whacks need to read your own retarded bullshit once in a while....if you do, I promise you’ll understand why sane folks can’t take your shit serious.

 

[Mindful]

I don't need to list the examples, issues and policies.

There have been people here who deny this, so let's address it head on.

If you think the Democratic Party has not moved clearly to the Left, please explain your reasoning.

Thanks!
.

Yep, the Democratic Party has moved left. But why is that bad? The left is 'of the people', and to be clear and honest, the right is not.

Lincoln said it best, we are a nation of the people, by the people and for the people. That alone should enlighten the readers that the Republican Party in the 21st Century is no longer the party of Lincoln.

What's wrong with the centre?

Ask the wingers. They believe moderates re 'the enemy' right now.

Is there such a thing as a 'moderate' these days?

Wolves in sheep's' clothing?

 

[The Purge]

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

As I warned some time ago, the AOC effect. She was given the spotlight by media, and in turn, her cabal of progressive ideas, it was clear some wanted her to have greater influence than she deserved.

The point about AOC is a good one. All the GOP has done by constantly mocking her is give her and her ideas plenty of national exposure. Bad move, politically.

This is what has concerned me from the day that Trump won: That the reaction to him would be so severe and profound that we'd be snapping back in the other direction in response.

So far, I've been right. And these wild swings are getting worse. There's no way that's good for the country.
.

How is showing America just how radical the left has become a "Bad Move"?

 

[Theowl32]

Aaaand he obfuscates and uses the old copy and paste from some radio show blah blah blah.

Idiot

It is what it is, and you're free to believe whatever you'd like.

Sometimes I envy this little world you folks have created. You're required to know so little.
.

Address just one of those 10 warnings the democrats ignored after they took over the House and Senate in 2007.

Are those lies Mac?

Go ahead and ignore it and tell me how you won't since I cut and pasted it from.....a radio show?

No, those are official documented acts in the official White House archives.


Address just ONE of them. Then, I perhaps take you seriously you fucking hypocrite.

What I do know is the world is certainly made for those who are not cursed with self awareness.

I'm still waiting on answers to the ten (10) specific questions I asked you about the Meltdown.

They were written in such a way that your "answers" could not be copied and pasted; you'd need to demonstrate a real knowledge and understanding of the topic.

And what did you do? You ran. I was so shocked. Shocked, I say.

Would you like me to post them again for you? I'd be happy to!
.

Go ahead and ask the questions asshole.

In the meantime, you make sure to vote for the party of socialism while you claim to not be a socialist. Also, keep lying that you didn't claim Buuuush left obama the economy which was your party parroted claim.

Cool! Here ya go!

You put the Meltdown on the Dems and the CRA.

Okay, tell me:

1. How did the CRA force the banks to create shitty, opaque CMOs and the even more hideous CDOs?
2. How did the CRA force mortgage companies to sell shit mortgages to the banks to be put in those CMO's, often by the very next day?
   
3. How did the CRA force the ratings agencies to slap AAA (TREASURY-level) ratings on those shit securities, making them highly attractive to buy?
4. How did the CRA force mortgage companies to write no-doc loans with insane balloons, knowing they'd be sold off in 12 hours to a shit CMO at NO risk?
   
5. How did the CRA force the banks to threaten the ratings agencies with lost business if they didn't give them AAA ratings on shit securities?
   
6. How did the CRA force Alan Greenspan to REFUSE to regulate derivatives while CFTC Chairwoman Brooksley Borns was BEGGING him to?
7. How did the CRA force the banks to drop their standards to the ground when they needed more shit CMO's and CDO's to SELL OFF for huge fees?
8. How did the CRA force the banks to SHORT the VERY SAME shit securities they were selling to their CLIENTS, WHILE the whole thing was collapsing?
9. How did the CRA force GS & John Paulson to create shit CMO's that were SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED to FAIL so they could buy swaps on them, making Paulson a cool $2 BILLION?
10. How did the CRA force AIG to write zillions in credit default swaps with ZERO reserves to back them up? Zero! None!

Okay, thanks!
.

Lol, I answered the cut and pasted questions with cut and paste answers from reputable sources that gave you FACTS and separated out the fiction from your pathetic claims that the NEW CRA rewritten by clinton in 1997 made it so banks under the threats of heavy fines made risky loans.

I even provided the speeches given by clinton, cuomo and others using the trusty race card to push it.




I doubt you will watch this. For those that want to know the truth.




That is a 12 second video. I am sure it can hold your attention.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Even Joe Scarborough has figured it out.

"MSNBC's Joe Scarborough pans the debate as a 'disaster for the Democratic Party"

MSNBC's Joe Scarborough pans the debate as a 'disaster for the Democratic Party'

 

[Wry Catcher]

As I warned some time ago, the AOC effect. She was given the spotlight by media, and in turn, her cabal of progressive ideas, it was clear some wanted her to have greater influence than she deserved.

The point about AOC is a good one. All the GOP has done by constantly mocking her is give her and her ideas plenty of national exposure. Bad move, politically.

This is what has concerned me from the day that Trump won: That the reaction to him would be so severe and profound that we'd be snapping back in the other direction in response.

So far, I've been right. And these wild swings are getting worse. There's no way that's good for the country.
.

How is showing America just how radical the left has become a "Bad Move"?

A. The radical left is a minority, the radical right has has taken over the R Party, kicking all the real Republicans under the bus, purging them as RINO's and CINO's.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

As I warned some time ago, the AOC effect. She was given the spotlight by media, and in turn, her cabal of progressive ideas, it was clear some wanted her to have greater influence than she deserved.

The point about AOC is a good one. All the GOP has done by constantly mocking her is give her and her ideas plenty of national exposure. Bad move, politically.

This is what has concerned me from the day that Trump won: That the reaction to him would be so severe and profound that we'd be snapping back in the other direction in response.

So far, I've been right. And these wild swings are getting worse. There's no way that's good for the country.
.

How is showing America just how radical the left has become a "Bad Move"?

A. The radical left is a minority, the radical right has has taken over the R Party, kicking all the real Republicans under the bus, purging them as RINO's and CINO's.

Yeah right......
It isnt Conservatives who want open borders and free healthcare for illegals.

 

[Mac1958]

I don't need to list the examples, issues and policies.

There have been people here who deny this, so let's address it head on.

If you think the Democratic Party has not moved clearly to the Left, please explain your reasoning.

Thanks!
.

I think that the Democratic Party NEEDED to move to the left. Since Bill Clinton moved the party 50 paces to the right to win election in 1992, Democrats have basically abandoned leftist policies. But now the full on destruction of 40 years of right wing low tax policies, no infrastructure or program investments for the people, combined with the economic drain of 18 years of continuous war, has come home to roost, it's time to stop pretending that Republicans know how to stimulate an economy, or provide a stable platform for economic growth.

They took Reagan's "government is the problem" speech line and ran with it as if it were gospel. And now they've got a guy in the White House who goes out of his way to insult and polarize.

This has left the door wide open for the Left to act. The problem is that they're going too far, which is typical in the political world.

I mentioned earlier that the biggest concern I've had since the day Trump was elected has been that the response and reaction to him would be like nothing we've ever seen before. So far I think I'm right. And that could lead to a kneejerk reaction that goes too far.
.

Holy shit

Are you telling your fucking clients that the party of big tax is better than the party of lower absurd regulations under the guise of concerns for the planet or lower taxes?

In what specific ways has Trump been bad for this country's economy? List the fucking reasons you piece of shit.

I will be waiting for that. Then again an ignorant fuck like you blames ONLY REPUBLICANS on the 2008 debacle and actually still blames Bush despite these facts.

2007

• August: President Bush emphatically calls on Congress to pass a reform package for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, saying "first things first when it comes to those two institutions. Congress needs to get them reformed, get them streamlined, get them focused, and then I will consider other options." (President George W. Bush, Press Conference, the White House, 8/9/07)
  
  
• August: Senate Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Chairman Christopher Dodd ignores the President's warnings and calls on him to "immediately reconsider his ill-advised" position. (Eric Dash, "Fannie Mae's Offer To Help Ease Credit Squeeze Is Rejected, As Critics Complain Of Opportunism," The New York Times, 8/11/07)
  
  
• December: President Bush again warns Congress of the need to pass legislation reforming GSEs, saying "These institutions provide liquidity in the mortgage market that benefits millions of homeowners, and it is vital they operate safely and operate soundly. So I've called on Congress to pass legislation that strengthens independent regulation of the GSEs – and ensures they focus on their important housing mission. The GSE reform bill passed by the House earlier this year is a good start. But the Senate has not acted. And the United States Senate needs to pass this legislation soon." (President George W. Bush, Discusses Housing, the White House, 12/6/07)

2008

• February: Assistant Treasury Secretary David Nason reiterates the urgency of reforms, saying "A new regulatory structure for the housing GSEs is essential if these entities are to continue to perform their public mission successfully." (David Nason, Testimony On Reforming GSE Regulation, Senate Committee On Banking, Housing And Urban Affairs, 2/7/08)
  
  
• March: President Bush calls on Congress to take action and "move forward with reforms on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. They need to continue to modernize the FHA, as well as allow State housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to homeowners to refinance their mortgages." (President George W. Bush, Remarks To The Economic Club Of New York, New York, NY, 3/14/08)
  
  
• April: President Bush urges Congress to pass the much needed legislation and "modernize Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. [There are] constructive things Congress can do that will encourage the housing market to correct quickly by … helping people stay in their homes." (President George W. Bush, Meeting With Cabinet, the White House, 4/14/08)
  
  
• May: President Bush issues several pleas to Congress to pass legislation reforming Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac before the situation deteriorates further.
  • "Americans are concerned about making their mortgage payments and keeping their homes. Yet Congress has failed to pass legislation I have repeatedly requested to modernize the Federal Housing Administration that will help more families stay in their homes, reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to ensure they focus on their housing mission, and allow state housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to refinance sub-prime loans." (President George W. Bush, Radio Address, 5/3/08)
    
    
  • "[T]he government ought to be helping creditworthy people stay in their homes. And one way we can do that – and Congress is making progress on this – is the reform of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. That reform will come with a strong, independent regulator." (President George W. Bush, Meeting With The Secretary Of The Treasury, the White House, 5/19/08)
    
    
  • "Congress needs to pass legislation to modernize the Federal Housing Administration, reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to ensure they focus on their housing mission, and allow State housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to refinance subprime loans." (President George W. Bush, Radio Address, 5/31/08)
• June: As foreclosure rates continued to rise in the first quarter, the President once again asks Congress to take the necessary measures to address this challenge, saying "we need to pass legislation to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac." (President George W. Bush, Remarks At Swearing In Ceremony For Secretary Of Housing And Urban Development, Washington, D.C., 6/6/08)
  
  
• July: Congress heeds the President's call for action and passes reform legislation for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as it becomes clear that the institutions are failing.
  
  
• September: Democrats in Congress forget their previous objections to GSE reforms, as Senator Dodd questions "why weren't we doing more, why did we wait almost a year before there were any significant steps taken to try to deal with this problem? … I have a lot of questions about where was the administration over the last eight years." (Dawn Kopecki, "Fannie Mae, Freddie 'House Of Cards' Prompts Takeover," Bloomberg, 9/9/08)

Make sure you obfuscate from that and giggle while pointing out how I cut and paste the official White House archives.

Well, how has Trump been bad for the economy HERE?

Wait for it everyone. A socialist American who is a "financial advisor" and yet I am guessing he does not voluntarily pay more taxes, as he votes proudly for the party of mass regulation and higher taxes.

You do know that the reforms that Bush was pushing for would have loosened mortgage lending by Fannie and Freddie, don't you - making the housing crisis WORSE than it was? Bush is the guy who gifted the housing market with almost zero interest rates for years, which exploded an already overheated market. Who looked at declining home ownership statistics as a "problem" in need of a solution, not a symptom of declining income for working Americans.

Trump's Administration just rolled back coal plant emissions requirements which his own people say will cost 1400 American lives per year. Opiod abuse, which is a symptom of desperation of a sick society, is costing over 70,000 lives per year. How are Republicans governing "for the people" in these policies they're pursuing?

It is what it is, and you're free to believe whatever you'd like.

Sometimes I envy this little world you folks have created. You're required to know so little.
.

Address just one of those 10 warnings the democrats ignored after they took over the House and Senate in 2007.

Are those lies Mac?

Go ahead and ignore it and tell me how you won't since I cut and pasted it from.....a radio show?

No, those are official documented acts in the official White House archives.


Address just ONE of them. Then, I perhaps take you seriously you fucking hypocrite.

What I do know is the world is certainly made for those who are not cursed with self awareness.

I'm still waiting on answers to the ten (10) specific questions I asked you about the Meltdown.

They were written in such a way that your "answers" could not be copied and pasted; you'd need to demonstrate a real knowledge and understanding of the topic.

And what did you do? You ran. I was so shocked. Shocked, I say.

Would you like me to post them again for you? I'd be happy to!
.

Go ahead and ask the questions asshole.

In the meantime, you make sure to vote for the party of socialism while you claim to not be a socialist. Also, keep lying that you didn't claim Buuuush left obama the economy which was your party parroted claim.

Cool! Here ya go!

You put the Meltdown on the Dems and the CRA.

Okay, tell me:

1. How did the CRA force the banks to create shitty, opaque CMOs and the even more hideous CDOs?
2. How did the CRA force mortgage companies to sell shit mortgages to the banks to be put in those CMO's, often by the very next day?
   
3. How did the CRA force the ratings agencies to slap AAA (TREASURY-level) ratings on those shit securities, making them highly attractive to buy?
4. How did the CRA force mortgage companies to write no-doc loans with insane balloons, knowing they'd be sold off in 12 hours to a shit CMO at NO risk?
   
5. How did the CRA force the banks to threaten the ratings agencies with lost business if they didn't give them AAA ratings on shit securities?
   
6. How did the CRA force Alan Greenspan to REFUSE to regulate derivatives while CFTC Chairwoman Brooksley Borns was BEGGING him to?
7. How did the CRA force the banks to drop their standards to the ground when they needed more shit CMO's and CDO's to SELL OFF for huge fees?
8. How did the CRA force the banks to SHORT the VERY SAME shit securities they were selling to their CLIENTS, WHILE the whole thing was collapsing?
9. How did the CRA force GS & John Paulson to create shit CMO's that were SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED to FAIL so they could buy swaps on them, making Paulson a cool $2 BILLION?
10. How did the CRA force AIG to write zillions in credit default swaps with ZERO reserves to back them up? Zero! None!

Okay, thanks!
.

Hahaha...you people are fascinating.
Bush was your hero for putting wetbacks and degenerate filth into the position of home ownership by way of creative financing...then when his gamble on your filth didn’t work he quickly becomes the asshole who never should have gambled on your filth....FUNNY SHIT!
You whacks need to read your own retarded bullshit once in a while....if you do, I promise you’ll understand why sane folks can’t take your shit serious.

The fact that you have to make stuff up make a "point" is very telling and very satisfying.

And I notice you couldn't answer my clear, specific and purely fact-based questions.

Good.
.

 

[Mac1958]

It is what it is, and you're free to believe whatever you'd like.

Sometimes I envy this little world you folks have created. You're required to know so little.
.

Address just one of those 10 warnings the democrats ignored after they took over the House and Senate in 2007.

Are those lies Mac?

Go ahead and ignore it and tell me how you won't since I cut and pasted it from.....a radio show?

No, those are official documented acts in the official White House archives.


Address just ONE of them. Then, I perhaps take you seriously you fucking hypocrite.

What I do know is the world is certainly made for those who are not cursed with self awareness.

I'm still waiting on answers to the ten (10) specific questions I asked you about the Meltdown.

They were written in such a way that your "answers" could not be copied and pasted; you'd need to demonstrate a real knowledge and understanding of the topic.

And what did you do? You ran. I was so shocked. Shocked, I say.

Would you like me to post them again for you? I'd be happy to!
.

Go ahead and ask the questions asshole.

In the meantime, you make sure to vote for the party of socialism while you claim to not be a socialist. Also, keep lying that you didn't claim Buuuush left obama the economy which was your party parroted claim.

Cool! Here ya go!

You put the Meltdown on the Dems and the CRA.

Okay, tell me:

1. How did the CRA force the banks to create shitty, opaque CMOs and the even more hideous CDOs?
2. How did the CRA force mortgage companies to sell shit mortgages to the banks to be put in those CMO's, often by the very next day?
   
3. How did the CRA force the ratings agencies to slap AAA (TREASURY-level) ratings on those shit securities, making them highly attractive to buy?
4. How did the CRA force mortgage companies to write no-doc loans with insane balloons, knowing they'd be sold off in 12 hours to a shit CMO at NO risk?
   
5. How did the CRA force the banks to threaten the ratings agencies with lost business if they didn't give them AAA ratings on shit securities?
   
6. How did the CRA force Alan Greenspan to REFUSE to regulate derivatives while CFTC Chairwoman Brooksley Borns was BEGGING him to?
7. How did the CRA force the banks to drop their standards to the ground when they needed more shit CMO's and CDO's to SELL OFF for huge fees?
8. How did the CRA force the banks to SHORT the VERY SAME shit securities they were selling to their CLIENTS, WHILE the whole thing was collapsing?
9. How did the CRA force GS & John Paulson to create shit CMO's that were SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED to FAIL so they could buy swaps on them, making Paulson a cool $2 BILLION?
10. How did the CRA force AIG to write zillions in credit default swaps with ZERO reserves to back them up? Zero! None!

Okay, thanks!
.

Lol, I answered the cut and pasted questions with cut and paste answers from reputable sources that gave you FACTS and separated out the fiction from your pathetic claims that the NEW CRA rewritten by clinton in 1997 made it so banks under the threats of heavy fines made risky loans.

I even provided the speeches given by clinton, cuomo and others using the trusty race card to push it.




I doubt you will watch this. For those that want to know the truth.




That is a 12 second video. I am sure it can hold your attention.

As expected. Thanks.

And thanks for not even trying to answer them. I would have been embarrassed for you.
.

 

[Dragonlady]

I don't need to list the examples, issues and policies.

There have been people here who deny this, so let's address it head on.

If you think the Democratic Party has not moved clearly to the Left, please explain your reasoning.

Thanks!
.

I think that the Democratic Party NEEDED to move to the left. Since Bill Clinton moved the party 50 paces to the right to win election in 1992, Democrats have basically abandoned leftist policies. But now the full on destruction of 40 years of right wing low tax policies, no infrastructure or program investments for the people, combined with the economic drain of 18 years of continuous war, has come home to roost, it's time to stop pretending that Republicans know how to stimulate an economy, or provide a stable platform for economic growth.

They took Reagan's "government is the problem" speech line and ran with it as if it were gospel. And now they've got a guy in the White House who goes out of his way to insult and polarize.

This has left the door wide open for the Left to act. The problem is that they're going too far, which is typical in the political world.

I mentioned earlier that the biggest concern I've had since the day Trump was elected has been that the response and reaction to him would be like nothing we've ever seen before. So far I think I'm right. And that could lead to a kneejerk reaction that goes too far.
.

I agree that they've gone WAY too far, with Sander's force march to Medicare For All. And I don't think that wiping out ALL student debt is doable or even desireable, especially for the Ivy League private schools with the big ticket tuition. OTOH, I do agree that something drastic needs to be done on both issues, but the devil is in the details.

A few years ago, I opined that high student debt loads coming out of university were going to hobble this generation of graduates in terms of disposable income to get married, start a family, buy cars, houses, and generally become the kind of consumers of durable goods that drives the economy forward. And the people most hobbled, are those who leave Ivy League Schools with enough debt to purchase a modest house in many small town communities.

At the time I was espousing these ideas, I was called a crazy leftist looking for free shit, but from the standpoint of a student of economics, on issues such as this, turn entire economic shifts. The demographic is large enough, and the impact is rippling throughout the economy. My oldest child is 18 years older than my youngest, so I've had the perspective of sending two generations out into the world, and the world for my 47 & 45 year old children and their friends has been far, far different, than entry into the work force for their sister's generation.

Statistically, the Baby Boom Echo kids stayed in school longer, and lived at home longer than their parents. When I left home at age 18 to go to the Big City to school, I never went home again. I don't think I ever spent another night under my mother's roof. My older children's generation left home, married and started their families, 3 or 4 years later than their parents, and the next generation is staying home even longer, in large part because of carrying enormous amounts of student debt. These are middle class, well educated adults, who's disposable income, which would either be going to savings, or building a home and a life for themselves, is now paying principle and interest on their student loans.

When it comes to health care, if it's not broke don't fix it. If people want insurance companies directing their treatment and paying 30% of their health care dollars to the insurance companies, plus co-pays, because paying an $18,000 a year premium isn't enough "skin in the game" to ensure they don't "abuse the system", I say let them continue to be ripped off.

But at the same time offer a public alternative, that has the same kind of administrative costs as Medicare, Medicaid, and the VA, at a premium 25% lower than the private market, with no-pays, no pre-approvals, and low administration costs, and watch the public leave the for-profits behind. In a heartbeat. Americans are the cheapest people in the world. That's why you had off-shoring in the first place. Better, cheaper, healthcare for all is possible.

You're currently paying nearly double the amount of money per capita that all other industrialized countries in the world pay, and 10% of your population has little to no access to quality health care at all. Your healthcare costs are driven by the willingness of private insurers to pay ridiculous amounts for some treatments. Healthcare decisions should not be decisions motivated purely by profit, and what is most profitable for the insurance industry. These are not "disinterested parties".