Does anyone NOT think that the Democratic Party has CLEARLY moved Left?

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The country has not moved left, the left has moved into the country.

Nah, that's trump cult fantasy unsupported by the data. I know you like to think you are normal and represent most Americans, but you are very far from either.

 

[Norman]

The country has not moved left, the left has moved into the country.

Nah, that's trump cult fantasy unsupported by the data. I know you like to think you are normal and represent most Americans, but you are very far from either.

Believe that...

You can't even be white and in the democrat party anymore. The whites dropping like stones.

Truth may be abnormal to you. But not to Americans. We know which group you are in now.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The country has not moved left, the left has moved into the country.

Nah, that's trump cult fantasy unsupported by the data. I know you like to think you are normal and represent most Americans, but you are very far from either.

Believe that...

You can't even be white and in the democrat party anymore. The whites dropping like stones.

Sorry, your maps dont make your point that the nation moving left is due to immigration. You have no data to suport your fantasy. The nation has always "moved left", as that is the direction of progress. Even the republican party has "moved left" over the last 50 years to accomodate this.

 

[Norman]

The country has not moved left, the left has moved into the country.

Nah, that's trump cult fantasy unsupported by the data. I know you like to think you are normal and represent most Americans, but you are very far from either.

Believe that...

You can't even be white and in the democrat party anymore. The whites dropping like stones.

Sorry, your maps dont make your point that the nation moving left is due to immigration. You have no data to suport your fantasy. The nation has always "moved left", as that is the direction of progress. Even the republican party has "moved left" over the last 50 years to accomodate this.

I am sorry if you lack the comprehension to add together 1+1. It is two.

You are welcome.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The country has not moved left, the left has moved into the country.

Nah, that's trump cult fantasy unsupported by the data. I know you like to think you are normal and represent most Americans, but you are very far from either.

Believe that...

You can't even be white and in the democrat party anymore. The whites dropping like stones.

Sorry, your maps dont make your point that the nation moving left is due to immigration. You have no data to suport your fantasy. The nation has always "moved left", as that is the direction of progress. Even the republican party has "moved left" over the last 50 years to accomodate this.

I am sorry if you lack the comprehension to add together 1+1. It is two.

You are welcome.

And yet you can't seem to argue your point in a few simple sentences. But, of course, that is everyone else's fault. Naturally.

 

[Norman]

The country has not moved left, the left has moved into the country.

Nah, that's trump cult fantasy unsupported by the data. I know you like to think you are normal and represent most Americans, but you are very far from either.

Believe that...

You can't even be white and in the democrat party anymore. The whites dropping like stones.

Sorry, your maps dont make your point that the nation moving left is due to immigration. You have no data to suport your fantasy. The nation has always "moved left", as that is the direction of progress. Even the republican party has "moved left" over the last 50 years to accomodate this.

I am sorry if you lack the comprehension to add together 1+1. It is two.

You are welcome.

And yet you can't seem to argue your point in a few simple sentences. But, of course, that is everyone else's fault. Naturally.

What the fuck are you talking about? The people who come into this country vote LEFT. How hard can this possible be to understand? It's been verified again and again.

I am sorry if your IQ is less than the average 3rd worlders, but I don't have the time to guide you by hand.

 

[Lysistrata]

Stupid thread. The republican party moved to the extreme right, leaving anyone in the middle behind. In a system that has, in fact, just two parties, the only choice that remains is the Democratic Party. The republicans have chosen to abandon the political middle. Now it's only trump, pence, mcconnell, mixed with a shit brand of Christianity.

The country has not moved left, the left has moved into the country.

Nah, that's trump cult fantasy unsupported by the data. I know you like to think you are normal and represent most Americans, but you are very far from either.

Believe that...

You can't even be white and in the democrat party anymore. The whites dropping like stones.

Truth may be abnormal to you. But not to Americans. We know which group you are in now.

We started out as, basically, a two-party system. The republicans moved to being an extreme right-wing party, abandoning the middle, leaving the middle with only the Democratic Party to go forward. The republicans produced only trump, pence, mcconnell, and a whole troop of scumbags and their so-called "Christian" admirables. Being "white" has nothing to do with this. I'm of European ethnicity, and I would never, ever vote for trash like trump and pence are and have planted in the departments under the control of the executive branch of the government. Under trump, we are all experiencing white-trash government.

 

[Marion Morrison]

I don't need to list the examples, issues and policies.

There have been people here who deny this, so let's address it head on.

If you think the Democratic Party has not moved clearly to the Left, please explain your reasoning.

Thanks!
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If they do, they're retarded. Democrats are Communists now. They need to go away. There's no room for Communism in America, you can realize that with or without us putting bullets right through your skulls. That's up to you. It don't make a lick of difference to me. I'm here, I'm staying here, and I'm more than willing to fight for my country, commies. My family didn't fight for everybody to be free in this country to see it destroyed by asshat communists. No sir. I may die trying, but I will come at your commie asses with a vengeance. I wish kids these days had the freedom I had growing up, and they don't. So do you commies want to go away peaceably, or do we gotta break bad? This is reality, Americans ain't playing that. You will die, some of us might die, but real Americans will win, make no mistake of that. Commies will be eliminated within the next decade.

 

[Lysistrata]

I don't need to list the examples, issues and policies.

There have been people here who deny this, so let's address it head on.

If you think the Democratic Party has not moved clearly to the Left, please explain your reasoning.

Thanks!
.

If they do, they're retarded. Democrats are Communists now. They need to go away. There's no room for Communism in America, you can realize that with or without us putting bullets right through your skulls. That's up to you. It don't make a lick of difference to me. I'm here, I'm staying here, and I'm more than willing to fight for my country, commies. My family didn't fight for everybody to be free in this country to see it destroyed by asshat communists. No sir. I may die trying, but I will come at your commie asses with a vengeance. I wish kids these days had the freedom I had growing up, and they don't. So do you commies want to go away peaceably, or do we gotta break bad? This is reality, Americans ain't playing that. You will die, some of us might die, but real Americans will win, make no mistake of that. Commies will be eliminated within the next decade.

What is this "commie," "real American" your country and my country freak thing? I am a "real American." Please explain yourself and also your threats of violence. My family fought for everyone to be free in this country.

 

[Meister]

You know nothing about me, so don't go all psycho analyse, okay?

Like you attempted with me,crybaby? Oops, I just did it again....doesn't take a professor, though....

Lol, Must have been where I said you were confusing immigrants with illegal immigrants.....that one?
They are quite different....one is here legally, and the other is not. Those on the right welcome the immigrants
who went through the process of entering the US legally.
And, yes, the illegals ARE costing Ca. billions of dollars....no matter what you say, skippy.
idiot

 

[Meister]

All of the Dim candidates last night would give free healthcare to illegals.
Beyond fucking belief !

On health care, whether you agree with them or not, at least they're providing clarity.

Part of the reason for this move to the Left is that they feel Trump and the GOP have given them an opening to do so.
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I'm glad they are publicly admitting they believe American taxpayers should pay for the healthcare of people around the world who can successfully sneak into our country.

Better than the American people paying for a tax credit for criminal Donald’s private plane

Trumpkins are morons, sergei

No, no it's not, jill.

 

[Mac1958]

There's no room for Communism in America, you can realize that with or without us putting bullets right through your skulls. That's up to you. It don't make a lick of difference to me. I'm here, I'm staying here, and I'm more than willing to fight for my country, commies. My family didn't fight for everybody to be free in this country to see it destroyed by asshat communists. No sir. I may die trying, but I will come at your commie asses with a vengeance. I wish kids these days had the freedom I had growing up, and they don't. So do you commies want to go away peaceably, or do we gotta break bad? This is reality, Americans ain't playing that. You will die, some of us might die, but real Americans will win, make no mistake of that. Commies will be eliminated within the next decade.

Yeah, several pretty clear threats there. I suppose a few of you may try to go full McVeigh, and there may be some sporadic violence, but for the most part this stuff is nothing more than the sound of frustrated, impotent rage.

Your talk radio leaders have conned you for their own professional benefit. They've filled you with anger and taught you how to think and communicate in shallow platitudes -- so the popularity of Trump makes sense there -- but they have purposely neglected to teach you how to change hearts & minds.

Worse, they have successfully created and maintained this ideological closed circuit that serves as an echo chamber to keep you separated for your various boogeymen. They have you fully conditioned -- don't listen to anything the boogeymen say, it's all lies, just listen to us -- and you've fallen right into it.

I doubt you'll do anything violent. For your sake, I hope you don't. But if you do, it will be because you were conned.
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[dblack]

There's no room for Communism in America, you can realize that with or without us putting bullets right through your skulls. That's up to you. It don't make a lick of difference to me. I'm here, I'm staying here, and I'm more than willing to fight for my country, commies. My family didn't fight for everybody to be free in this country to see it destroyed by asshat communists. No sir. I may die trying, but I will come at your commie asses with a vengeance. I wish kids these days had the freedom I had growing up, and they don't. So do you commies want to go away peaceably, or do we gotta break bad? This is reality, Americans ain't playing that. You will die, some of us might die, but real Americans will win, make no mistake of that. Commies will be eliminated within the next decade.

Yeah, several pretty clear threats there. I suppose a few of you may try to go full McVeigh, and there may be some sporadic violence, but for the most part this stuff is nothing more than the sound of frustrated, impotent rage.

It may, or may not, be "impotent", but it's a still a problem. If you push people too hard they will fight back. This is the lesson we've refused to learn from terrorism. When you use organized violence (government) to bully people, some of them will resort to unorganized violence (terrorism) to fight back. If people don't want socialism, or whatever social reform you're pushing on them, it will create more harm than good to force it on them - no matter how noble your ends might be.

 

[Mac1958]

There's no room for Communism in America, you can realize that with or without us putting bullets right through your skulls. That's up to you. It don't make a lick of difference to me. I'm here, I'm staying here, and I'm more than willing to fight for my country, commies. My family didn't fight for everybody to be free in this country to see it destroyed by asshat communists. No sir. I may die trying, but I will come at your commie asses with a vengeance. I wish kids these days had the freedom I had growing up, and they don't. So do you commies want to go away peaceably, or do we gotta break bad? This is reality, Americans ain't playing that. You will die, some of us might die, but real Americans will win, make no mistake of that. Commies will be eliminated within the next decade.

Yeah, several pretty clear threats there. I suppose a few of you may try to go full McVeigh, and there may be some sporadic violence, but for the most part this stuff is nothing more than the sound of frustrated, impotent rage.

It may, or may not, be "impotent", but it's a still a problem. If you push people too hard they will fight back. This is the lesson we've refused to learn from terrorism. When you use organized violence (government) to bully people, some of them will resort to unorganized violence (terrorism) to fight back. If people don't want socialism, or whatever social reform you're pushing on them, it will create more harm than good to force it on them - no matter how noble your ends might be.

Sure, and the first thing that worried me when Trump won was that the reaction would be so crazed that we could end up knee-jerking in the opposite direction. That's pretty much how it's playing out.

This isn't about whether they fight back, it's about how. Playing right into your opponents' hands, proving all their accusations true, can backfire pretty easily.
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[dblack]

There's no room for Communism in America, you can realize that with or without us putting bullets right through your skulls. That's up to you. It don't make a lick of difference to me. I'm here, I'm staying here, and I'm more than willing to fight for my country, commies. My family didn't fight for everybody to be free in this country to see it destroyed by asshat communists. No sir. I may die trying, but I will come at your commie asses with a vengeance. I wish kids these days had the freedom I had growing up, and they don't. So do you commies want to go away peaceably, or do we gotta break bad? This is reality, Americans ain't playing that. You will die, some of us might die, but real Americans will win, make no mistake of that. Commies will be eliminated within the next decade.

Yeah, several pretty clear threats there. I suppose a few of you may try to go full McVeigh, and there may be some sporadic violence, but for the most part this stuff is nothing more than the sound of frustrated, impotent rage.

It may, or may not, be "impotent", but it's a still a problem. If you push people too hard they will fight back. This is the lesson we've refused to learn from terrorism. When you use organized violence (government) to bully people, some of them will resort to unorganized violence (terrorism) to fight back. If people don't want socialism, or whatever social reform you're pushing on them, it will create more harm than good to force it on them - no matter how noble your ends might be.

Sure, and the first thing that worried me when Trump won was that the reaction would be so crazed that we could end up knee-jerking in the opposite direction. That's pretty much how it's playing out.

This isn't about whether they fight back, it's about how. Playing right into your opponents' hands, proving all their accusations true, can backfire pretty easily.

Yes. It will be an utter shitshow of "backfire".

I'm not sure what I'll do if it we descend it to socialism. I could see certain scenarios where I could be persuaded to fight. But I'd probably just go underground. I'm not much for joining angry mobs.

 

[BlueGin]

I don't need to list the examples, issues and policies.

There have been people here who deny this, so let's address it head on.

If you think the Democratic Party has not moved clearly to the Left, please explain your reasoning.

Thanks!
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Ohhhh, Stormy... No one has denied that the Democrats moved to the left. Because the country has. Republicans have only won the popular vote once in the last 31 years.

Here's the reality that you don't get. No one votes for moderation.

The party that runs a moderate, loses. Every time.

The country has not moved left. The out of touch democrats have just turned wacko.

 

[Jets]

Not to Jack the thread, but the loudest voices get the most attention. That’s why it isn’t just the left that has this problem. For a Rep A Cortez (D) we have a Rep S King (R). Each time one of them makes some controversial statement not enough people on their side call them out for it. Allowing extremes to become the voice of a party should be condemned by all who aren’t partisan hacks.

 

[sartre play]

Both party's have moved away from reality. what's going to be different for the average working/ middle class person.
What the heck does leaning right/left mean? They say we have a great economy things are good?
the cost of everything go's up every year, wages do not keep up with inflation. the national debt like credit card debt keeps growing, homeless grows, more wrong turns, even war is not off the table.

 

[Lesh]

The country has not moved left, the left has moved into the country.

Nah, that's trump cult fantasy unsupported by the data. I know you like to think you are normal and represent most Americans, but you are very far from either.

Has the country moved left or has the left moved the country...

It's essentially the same thing. The country LIKES the policies of "the left". The only power the right has is PR and labels...and those consist of fear and hatred

 

[danielpalos]

I don't need to list the examples, issues and policies.

There have been people here who deny this, so let's address it head on.

If you think the Democratic Party has not moved clearly to the Left, please explain your reasoning.

Thanks!
.

Ohhhh, Stormy... No one has denied that the Democrats moved to the left. Because the country has. Republicans have only won the popular vote once in the last 31 years.

Here's the reality that you don't get. No one votes for moderation.

The party that runs a moderate, loses. Every time.

The country has not moved left. The out of touch democrats have just turned wacko.

courage, dear.