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But ravi, decades ago we had less gun control laws - guns were much more readily available to persons...the tools were more available.You're talking about human (or inhuman) nature. That's never going to change. People are always going to kill each other.
Enabling them by providing the tools is the problem, imo.
Now they are less available, yet we have more of this shit. I don't think it's the tools' availability that is the problem because the correlation is inverted.
Come on ravi Automatic weapons?? You need a class III to own a automatic weapon. The only people with automatic weapons are criminals , police and Military.Were they? Maybe rifles were more available, I know my dad always had them. But handguns? Decades ago we didn't have every other person owning a handgun or automatic weapon.[/QUOTE]
That was a little confusing....This is from Mother Jones (ugh) about gun ownership since 1973....it has gone from 50% in 1973 to 30% in 2010. Dunno about hand guns, though. I'll keep looking.But ravi, decades ago we had less gun control laws - guns were much more readily available to persons...the tools were more available.
Now they are less available, yet we have more of this shit. I don't think it's the tools' availability that is the problem because the correlation is inverted.
Were they? Maybe rifles were more available, I know my dad always had them. But handguns? Decades ago we didn't have every other person owning a handgun or automatic weapon.
Did I say that? Why, no, I didn't.But ravi, decades ago we had less gun control laws - guns were much more readily available to persons...the tools were more available.
Now they are less available, yet we have more of this shit. I don't think it's the tools' availability that is the problem because the correlation is inverted.
Were they? Maybe rifles were more available, I know my dad always had them. But handguns? Decades ago we didn't have every other person owning a handgun or automatic weapon.
Decades ago we didn't have people owning automatic weapons???? You really are an idiot... Semi-automatic firearms have been in the public's hands long before you and I were around numbskull.
So, decades ago when we had LESS gun laws, we didn't see this sort of thing.
Now, we have MORE gun laws and we see MORE of this sort of thing.
Is this a gun problem or a societal problem? I say the latter - too many folks are fucked in the head. Why?
Thanks....I started crying when I saw pics of those terrified kids outside and imagined my children in their place. Hugs to you, too.Except for the fact that if this fucker didn't have the guns he wouldn't have been able to kill so many people.I kind of hate engaging in this type of discussion so soon after the tragedy, but do we ban axes, hammers, baseball bats, cars, knives, ropes, screwdrivers, etc etc.... ?
All of the listed have been used to kill.
In fact baseball bats are the most popular murder weapon out there.
This is a tragic situation, but we can't act emotionally and pass more dumb laws.
I can't disagree with ya on that Rav
Wish I could give ya a hug... I think you need one, I know I do.
So, decades ago when we had LESS gun laws, we didn't see this sort of thing.
Now, we have MORE gun laws and we see MORE of this sort of thing.
Is this a gun problem or a societal problem? I say the latter - too many folks are fucked in the head. Why?
When I grew up, these massacres were few and far between (Texas Tower). We had to contend with assasinations as a way for someone to gain infamy. JFK, MLK, RFK, John Lennon, Reagan, Ford, the Pope...
Now, when someone wants attention they pack as much ammo as they can and try to set a new record for massacres
People forget the gun control debates right now....this is sad....and Si modo and Syreen need to fuck off when they try making a case Muslims paved way for this, what two viciously bigoted individuals. Scum.
Now, when someone wants attention they pack as much ammo as they can and try to set a new record for massacres
Well, the shooter got what he wanted. Two posters have either posted his picture or a link.
He wanted to be famous on his way out. He got it.
I am not blaming it on anything...
i am pointing out that people with issues are exposed to ideas that may not have occurred to them before.... grander plans and such.
You're talking about human (or inhuman) nature. That's never going to change. People are always going to kill each other.
Enabling them by providing the tools is the problem, imo.
I kind of hate engaging in this type of discussion so soon after the tragedy, but do we ban axes, hammers, baseball bats, cars, knives, ropes, screwdrivers, etc etc.... ?
All of the listed have been used to kill.
In fact baseball bats are the most popular murder weapon out there.
This is a tragic situation, but we can't act emotionally and pass more dumb laws.
Well, the shooter got what he wanted. Two posters have either posted his picture or a link.
He wanted to be famous on his way out. He got it.
The murder will rot in hell
