Ever wonder why 'liberal' is an insult?

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Being a fan of etymology (orign of words) I thought to check. Seems 'liberal' has been used in centuries past as an insult, but the history of 'conservative' is even more eye-opening:

liberal (adj.) Look up liberal at Dictionary.com
mid-14c., "generous," also, late 14c., "selfless; noble, nobly born; abundant," and, early 15c., in a bad sense "extravagant, unrestrained," from Old French liberal "befitting free men, noble, generous, willing, zealous" (12c.), from Latin liberalis "noble, gracious, munificent, generous," literally "of freedom, pertaining to or befitting a free man," from liber "free, unrestricted, unimpeded; unbridled, unchecked, licentious," from PIE *leudh-ero- (cf. Greek eleutheros "free"), probably originally "belonging to the people" (though the precise semantic development is obscure), and a suffixed form of the base *leudh- "people" (cf. Old Church Slavonic ljudu, Lithuanian liaudis, Old English leod, German Leute "nation, people;" Old High German liut "person, people") but literally "to mount up, to grow."

With the meaning "free from restraint in speech or action," liberal was used 16c.-17c. as a term of reproach. It revived in a positive sense in the Enlightenment, with a meaning "free from prejudice, tolerant," which emerged 1776-88.

In reference to education, explained by Fowler as "the education designed for a gentleman (Latin liber a free man) & ... opposed on the one hand to technical or professional or any special training, & on the other to education that stops short before manhood is reached" (cf. liberal arts). Purely in reference to political opinion, "tending in favor of freedom and democracy" it dates from c.1801, from French libéral, originally applied in English by its opponents (often in French form and with suggestions of foreign lawlessness) to the party favorable to individual political freedoms. But also (especially in U.S. politics) tending to mean "favorable to government action to effect social change," which seems at times to draw more from the religious sense of "free from prejudice in favor of traditional opinions and established institutions" (and thus open to new ideas and plans of reform), which dates from 1823.

Conservative, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. [Ambrose Bierce, "Devil's Dictionary," 1911]



conservative (adj.) Look up conservative at Dictionary.com
late 14c., conservatyf, from Middle French conservatif, from Late Latin conservativus, from Latin conservatus, past participle of conservare (see conserve).

As a modern political tradition, conservatism traces to Edmund Burke's opposition to the French Revolution (1790), but the word conservative is not found in his writing. It was coined by his French disciples, (e.g. Chateaubriand, who titled his journal defending clerical and political restoration "Le Conservateur").

Conservative as the name of a British political faction first appeared in an 1830 issue of the "Quarterly Review," in an unsigned article sometimes attributed to John Wilson Croker. It replaced Tory (q.v.) by 1843, reflecting both a change from the pejorative name (in use for 150 years) and repudiation of some reactionary policies. Extended to similar spirits in other parties from 1845.

Strictly speaking, conservatism is not a political system, but rather a way of looking at the civil order. The conservative of Peru ... will differ greatly from those of Australia, for though they may share a preference for things established, the institutions and customs which they desire to preserve are not identical. [Russell Kirk (1918-1994)]


...Ah. So conservatives were against democracy in France and FOR the French aristocracy eh? Didn't we put all their heads on pikes after taking them off with the guillotine? Apparently some got away. :)
 
Entomology is more cogent regarding liberals!

Archie bunker.... all in the family. He made the word
.. pinko liberal famous.
And what was funny was Carroll was a lib in real life
 
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Modern liberals bear no resemblance to those of the 18th century.

But people figured out that "progressive" basically meant socialist in the early 20th century, so they had to steal another description for themselves to obscure their true statist agenda.

It's all very Orewllean.
Interesting to note that all the loons at MSNBC are now referring to themselves and Obama's 'base' as "Progressives". Go figure.
 
OP- Not at all. Endlessly repeated Newt style Pubcrappe lies and jokes, a gigantic propaganda machine paid for by greedy idiot billionnaires and the ''No compromise, un-American TP GOP'' -TIME brainwashed, and tens of millions of violent, ignorant, totally misinformed, violent, well-armed, racist, bigotted, loudmouth, ugly American shytteheads LOL. A disgrace, worldwide laughingstock and horror.The story of the last 25, or is it 45, years...
 
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OP- Not at all. Endlessly repeated Newt style Pubcrappe lies and jokes, a gigantic propaganda machine paid for by greedy idiot billionnaires and the ''No compromise, un-American TP GOP'' -TIME brainwashed, and tens of millions of violent, ignorant, totally misinformed, violent, well-armed, racist, bigotted, loudmouth, ugly American shytteheads LOL. A disgrace, worldwide laughingstock and horror.The story of the last 25, or is it 45, years...

^^^ wow you just described what the meat head ... on all in the family was all about and thought.
 
OP- Not at all. Endlessly repeated Newt style Pubcrappe lies and jokes, a gigantic propaganda machine paid for by greedy idiot billionnaires and the ''No compromise, un-American TP GOP'' -TIME brainwashed, and tens of millions of violent, ignorant, totally misinformed, violent, well-armed, racist, bigotted, loudmouth, ugly American shytteheads LOL. A disgrace, worldwide laughingstock and horror.The story of the last 25, or is it 45, years...

All good and well .... but, but but how do you REALLY feel?


P.S. I asked you how you feel, because based on your posts, you obviously DO NOT think.
 
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Entomology is more cogent regarding liberals!

Archie bunker.... all in the family. He made the word
.. pinko liberal famous.
And what was funny was Carroll was a lib in real life


He was a propagandist, along with shows producers - who also produced that god-awful "Maude"

"...Archie Bunker was the most devastating ideological scam in the cultural history of television. Archie Bunker was the conservative. He was ignorant, semi-illiterate, racist, mean, cowardly, and a sycophantic bully. Viewers were invited to assume that these were properties of everyone who resisted any civil-rights initiative, who thought favorable notice might be made of anything done by President Nixon, or thought the Vietnam War defensible." -William F. Buckley Jr.

Media Manipulation Archie Bunker
 
Entomology is more cogent regarding liberals!

Archie bunker.... all in the family. He made the word
.. pinko liberal famous.
And what was funny was Carroll was a lib in real life


He was a propagandist, along with shows producers - who also produced that god-awful "Maude"

"...Archie Bunker was the most devastating ideological scam in the cultural history of television. Archie Bunker was the conservative. He was ignorant, semi-illiterate, racist, mean, cowardly, and a sycophantic bully. Viewers were invited to assume that these were properties of everyone who resisted any civil-rights initiative, who thought favorable notice might be made of anything done by President Nixon, or thought the Vietnam War defensible." -William F. Buckley Jr.

Media Manipulation Archie Bunker
You know also from my point of view, Carroll was only like 42 when that show started and he looked and acted 62
It did have it's good moment's though when Archie was taught a lesson in life.like when Sammy davis kissed him
 
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Archie bunker.... all in the family. He made the word
.. pinko liberal famous.
And what was funny was Carroll was a lib in real life


He was a propagandist, along with shows producers - who also produced that god-awful "Maude"

"...Archie Bunker was the most devastating ideological scam in the cultural history of television. Archie Bunker was the conservative. He was ignorant, semi-illiterate, racist, mean, cowardly, and a sycophantic bully. Viewers were invited to assume that these were properties of everyone who resisted any civil-rights initiative, who thought favorable notice might be made of anything done by President Nixon, or thought the Vietnam War defensible." -William F. Buckley Jr.

Media Manipulation Archie Bunker
You know also from my point of view, Carroll was only like 42 when that show started and he looked and acted 62
It did have it's good moment's though when Archie was taught a lesson in life.like when Sammy davis kissed him

Oh - it WAS a Great Show, it failed it's producers agenda because the General Public was not as indoctrinated and mentally modified as they are today .

One of Norman Lears {Producer} greatest fears was that
"People were laughing with Archie and not at him"
Which was a fact.
 
"The Russian president is positioning himself as the world's leading defender of traditional values
Vladimir Putin is calling on the conservatives of the world to unite—behind him.*
The Kremlin leader's*full-throated defense*of Russia's "traditional values" and his derision of the West's "genderless and infertile" liberalism in his*annual state-of-the-nation address*last week was just the latest example of Putin attempting to place himself at the vanguard of a new "Conservative International."
The speech came on the heels of the*appointment of Dmitry Kiselyov—the television anchor who has said the hearts of gays and lesbians who die should be buried or burned—as head of the new Kremlin-run media conglomerate Rossia Segodnya.
And just days before Putin's address, the Center for Strategic Communications, an influential Kremlin-connected think tank, held a press conference in Moscow to*announce its latest report. The title: "Putin: World Conservatism's New Leader."*

LINK: Everything you need to know about "Conservatism"
 
He was a propagandist, along with shows producers - who also produced that god-awful "Maude"



Media Manipulation Archie Bunker
You know also from my point of view, Carroll was only like 42 when that show started and he looked and acted 62
It did have it's good moment's though when Archie was taught a lesson in life.like when Sammy davis kissed him

Oh - it WAS a Great Show, it failed it's producers agenda because the General Public was not as indoctrinated and mentally modified as they are today .

One of Norman Lears {Producer} greatest fears was that
"People were laughing with Archie and not at him"
Which was a fact.
Wow the best post I have read this year
 
Modern liberals bear no resemblance to those of the 18th century.

But people figured out that "progressive" basically meant socialist in the early 20th century, so they had to steal another description for themselves to obscure their true statist agenda.

It's all very Orewllean.

Absolutely not true.
Absolutely not true.
Absolutely not true.

Making it up as you go along just makes you look like a fool.

And I find it particularly laughable the way people on this board, 'conservatives,' are constantly and thoroughly misunderstanding the essense of Orwell's vision. Try reading Down and Out in Paris and London. Try reading Burmese Days. Probably the only thing of his you've read is Animal Farm, and you read it in middle school. You've only half understood it and have heard the term Orwellian used, so you think you know what his vision was. If he was anything, he was a progressive and a liberal. His vision and thought were absolutely nothing like what those of the American conservative or rightist is. Nothing.
 
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